they probably did that because you can't seem to go over 32 levels per *wad but they wanted lots of game time available to justify buying an add-on that doesn't add much new to the game
Map20 is huge and challenging, but the outside area is beautifully designed in my opinion. I guess Map21 gets the title of the largest TNT map and not fun at all.
I might do a ultimate doom let's play with doom expanded. I'm uploading the first part now but it's just a test video so I can see if people would like to see me do it.
I don’t get it... the idea of having different habits for all the different monsters like a zoo is a cool idea. Why didn’t they do that. What’s with all the hallways
In my opinion, this maps sucks because it was MADE to suck. The only reason I can think off why a map designer would mix all those complicated tunnels with lots of spred out enemies and stupid secrets revealed by random actions, is that they deliberately wanted to make this as difficult as possible for 100% runners, but confusing and "organic" (not straight-forward) for people who play this map without knowing what's it about. I'm happy you could finally take this out of your way :P
Folks at TNT must been stoned when they mapped this map, or had a huge party previous day. Or must be April fools day. Or must be foreseers and knew BigMacDavis plays this to play a joke on him.
Agreed with that. That's why I mainly stick to competitive/arena-style mapping rather than junk like this. I mean, I did make maps like these back in the old Doom II/Duke 3D days during my high school days, and I regret it. Ever since I've done Quake/Unreal mapping, I learned to build up rather than out, and I know that DOOM doesn't have a Z-axis, per se, but I do try to take advantage of making "vertical" maps to a point. Less boring, and annoying that way.
The switch at 9:47 makes the L-shaped passage over the poison at 9:59 appear. Kinda funny since BigMacDavis says "it may do nothing" while looking at the answer.
the problem of this map are the overcomplex tunnels, I actually liked the concept of the map, somekind of water treatment area, and the way they made it just looked so good for me. Really, the tunnels are boring, but if you don't consider them, the map is good, well detailed and well concepted. Just a fix in the tunnels would make it look pretty good
Hmm... Let's see if I have a different idea of how Habitat SHOULD have been made than these buffoons did. I mean, Team TNT might have had a great idea with these maps, but...it just seems that quality control was a big time issue. Not sure if one should blame id Software for buying this hunk of junk project, or Team TNT with their lack of map design concept execution/quality control, or both in this case.
haha oh dear. Mandatory secrets which are triggered by doing random things, infact the blue key is hidden behind a fake wall. Poorly designed doors, confusing tunnels. Poor use of archviles (open areas not cool). And all for what, to play 90% of a map which is completely skippable. In fact you can beat this map within 30 seconds!!! Map sucks end of story haha
There must be something wrong with me, I always like TNT more than Plutonia, and I love those tunnels here, the way they are detailed, and endless and full of shotgunners. I just love parts of this level. I love the weird design elements of TNT levels and more colorful textures than Plutonia browny.
I've just watched this video for the second time and only just noticed there are two BFG's in the third secret for some reason! When it comes to this map for me the greatest in the world of speedrunning is a gentleman called Serge Marudov, who currently holds the UV Max movie record for this wad in about 4 hrs 10 mins. By the time he reached this map, he would have been playing for near three hours and hoping to god that final area with the flats overflow didn't screw his run
It's Mount Pain I find to be my least favorite out of TNT, to be quite honest. Every time I go through this map, I don't have so much of an issue navigating it. (then again, not really of the 100% kind-of person)
This time I'll have to agree with you, I don't like this map either. Even without box-mazes, this still really is one of the worst DooM maps I've ever played. The things I liked about map 19 (Shipping/Respawning) - the fact that it was meant to be confusing - in this map just seem like an excuse to do a very, very sloppy job. Plus, the map seems as if you're back in the military/tech base, and not descending deeper into hell. For crying out loud, this map is just BAD.
Sure, I can understand that if your good friend in real life come up to you and says: "Hey, I've made a map for Doom 2 as well !", you are not going to tell him it's awful and it sucks.But to put it into an overall great map pack , one that is commercially distributed, is taking it a bit too far. This map is bad in so many ways. Unbelievable this got released. Anyway, keep up the good work, Big Mac !
No, you're right, I won't tell him it's awful and it sucks. But I'd definitely say it needs improvement. There are some areas of this map that have great attention to detail, it's just the gameplay and the tunnels might need some improvement. And some of the secret areas can only be opened by stepping i certain sections of the tunnels, that's a pretty bad idea. Anyways, thank you, my friend! :D
This map is some 1994 bullshit with the keys in secrets. This is like the 3rd time I had to watch a walkthough of a TNT map because of this cryptic, mazelike rubbish. Who thinks to walk through walls looking for essential keys?? Plutonia really is superior.
This map should've been called Operation: Mole Rat A small thing that bugs me (in addition) is how one key is skull and the other 2 are normal. They did that in a couple maps back too where the blue key was normal and the rest were skull. Its like... why... makes my OCD appear..
I think my biggest problem is not the tunnels themselves, but how they were laid out and how confusing exploring it feels, taking the fun out of the experience (especially if you're making a 100% walkthrough like you're doing). I like the map concept, but it's not the best execution of it...
Monster infights in the original Doom(including sourceports) are more entertaining to watch than Doom 3. I mean in Doom 3, if an Imp accidentally hits a Revenant. The Revenant will attack the Imp. However, the Imp won't attack the Revenant.
your hatred toward this is detectable clearly:D in almost all doom maps there are areas that open when you walk past them. but in this you bitterly say that it is a stupid idea xD Habitat hate is real...
Well I’ve made to this infamous map..not looking forward to 100 % this map today..I don’t think iamma like the whole tunnel thing ..didn’t like it while I was watching this video lol ..but this is where I made it so far
DooM E1M1-Hangar has that stupid secret when you cross the poison bridge. I hate those secrets. Now to be fair you can hear something open. The worst ones are like these ones. You don't know where the fuck it happened or that you even did something. It's so dumb. "walk across this hallway and a secret will open 10 miles back" Well fucking thanks.
I admit that map is absolutely awful for sure but there are a lot of other maps that are terrible as well in tnt I definitely feel your pain for this map what is the deal with the tunnels goodness gracious can’t stand mazes or tunnels at all I don’t know what they were thinking!!
Mr.Big daddy Mac n' Tosh. Love the video, but you sound like you're sick/irritated with everything in this video! I know it was posted in 2013, but hey couldn't resist.
I can't even remember if I originally played this far through Evilution. I don't really care about getting 100% kills and secrets, and I can see where that goal is really frustrating here, and in my mind was probably most of the reason for your vitriol for it.
I remember when I played this map for the first time. It took me around an hour and a half, and once I finally reached exit, I saw the red door (which I had no key for), and the game said I found under 50% secrets. This was one of the first maps on which, in spite of my CDO, I said "What the heck, this level was stupid, let's just go on to the next."
Ugliest? Mount Pain is uglier. 1:41 - only fun part? Gosh, this entire map is such fun. Aren't those tunnels/ sewers ugly? No, they aren't for me, I'm a hydraulic engineer. In fact, they're fine Memorizing this map is... fun. I love everything about this map... except outdoor design, but I don't care about design. And the secret inside the exit is awesome. I'm sorry to tell it, but in all doom this is my 3rd favorite map. SERIOUSLY! I understand why everybody else hates it and I just feel like I'm the only such strange man here. hopefully this comment doesn't give you a false opinion about me. Just bear with my strange taste.
+spd7693 I usually agree with BigMac 99% of this time, but i just played through this map myself for the first time in awhile and I actually think it's pretty cleverly done, albeit the secrets in the hallways are kind of strange
+TOdd Smith Do I just love this map because everyone hates it? I rather love it because everything triggers something and because it makes you go everywhere to find everything - what I love doing in every game I play. Besides I'm a sewer engineer, so this map feels like being for me.
I actually like this map, flawed as it is. The tunnel aesthetics are pretty neat. If you have GZ Doom, you can crouch through the gate along the river and exit sub :30 without keys.
Thanks for the walkthrough. What a map, damn! The only coll thing is music, and maybe the area after the yellow bars, though it's debatable. Again, thank you Davis.
Man, this was fanatastic. I loved that intro and that anger you showed at the end. And now that you've shown how to get those stupid-ass secrets, I'll have to remember that for when I get to this map.
This map is sooo boring,so confusing and it’s very easy to get disorientated,all because of those secrets,the annoying back tracks,if you just miss or oversighted just 1 switch you will wondering around for hours (some switches can blend into the textures off certain walls or some walls can be opened without any signs in wich i did had troubles with in other levels) It’s very frustrating,i know that id software wanted to add secrets to it just like nintendo did in their own games,but this is ridiculous,this map alone will kill more braincella then necessarry,it will definitely cause you a big headache, It’s just that absolute STUPID,that’s why you have to memorize stuff but even that can and will become very confusing overtimes in this map aaarrrggg
There is actually a way of just finishing in about 30 seconds by leaping off where you are at 3.01 and immediately clicking on the what you click on at 11.10.
WHY THE EFF IS EVERTHING A SECRET??? Map be like, "You turned a corner! A SECRET HAS BEEN REVEALED!" It's ridiculous.
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Actually the Team TNT did a something special with this map... they design probably the worst map of the entire game, the first time that i played this game i didn't finished it because this freaking map show me one glitch that just crashed the game (on that time i was playing in DOS Box), ohhh god how i really hate this map. Probably the only good thing is not soooo long als the map21.
Oh boy ... This level is the most stupid level I ever played! It's mediocre if you don't want 100% of everything. I have played it quite a few times. I just got 100% of everything once (without using cheats), and that was just a few days ago. The gameplay is pathetic. The level design is extremely nonsensical. People complain about Sandy Petersen's levels. Love them or hate them, they have a solid gameplay.
I didn't think the map was all that bad. I didn't like the mazey tunnels, but I thought they looked cool. Why do you need to memorize them? I just used the automap.
i didn't see the archville as it was behind the wall but could hear it, so i immediatley turned around to find it, as it wasn't there either i ran back to the river to at least take cover first. so at no point i could've seen that 'secret' wall. running trough the level i found the red key, so it made sense to me to look for a red door or something that then would make me get the blue key. HOW was i supposed to know that i have to go trough that specific wall? just looking in that cave didn't even made me realise that it's smaller than on the map, for that i would've to walk in there but why should i do that if i can clearly see that there isn't anything in there. why is that wall even there in the first place? i played trough Evilution besides not enjoying it, because i felt disrespectfull towards its creators to just stop without giving the rest a chance. but this map just made me realise that i'm not the disrespectfull one, but the people that made maps like map 22 are the ones not respecting my patience and time. and i could've already expected that from map 1, where you have to go up to the locked door in order for a secret door to open just so you can progress. i can clearly see that that door is requiring a blue key that i don't have yet, so why am i expected to walk up to it? are they over- or underestimating my intelligence here?
I hate this map!!!! I played through it today & I couldn’t find the last secret. Once you get the red key red bars randomly appear at the end of the map. Go figure
While I've seen plenty of worse maps from the community (Map06 of Community Chest 1, I'm looking at you.), I definitely can't blame anyone disliking this map with such a passion.
Just finished this map and agree with BigMacDavis that the brown tunnels are horribly designed with boring gameplay, not to mention those stupid tricky secrets in the lighter tunnels. However, I liked the outside area design, especially the rivers and the green grounds before the blue key room and the end. I get some fun there by making the enemies infight with each other after killing the archvile.
I looked for this video because I got lost playing it, to my surprised I had already liked this video from the last time I played TNT so yeah, its a REALLY bad level lmao
i dont get you man, maybe the secrets are dumb but this is a clever map, its supposed to be like a sewer. and your always talking about getting lost and memorizing maps, JUST PRESS TAB AND USE MAP!!!
@BigMacDavis I'm confused. I play with GZDoom, and have a map. I have been playing doom for years now (every since it came out). WHY DON'T YOU USE THE MAP?!? Is it considered cheating?
One good thing about this level: It's not miserably long like some other ones - the biggest turn off of TNT - too long levels
Yeah, that's a good point there.
they probably did that because you can't seem to go over 32 levels per *wad but they wanted lots of game time available to justify buying an add-on that doesn't add much new to the game
am i right map20
Map20 is huge and challenging, but the outside area is beautifully designed in my opinion. I guess Map21 gets the title of the largest TNT map and not fun at all.
I actually like the design of the tunnel, looks futuristic with the lights
I might do a ultimate doom let's play with doom expanded.
I'm uploading the first part now but it's just a test video so I can see if people would like to see me do it.
I don’t get it... the idea of having different habits for all the different monsters like a zoo is a cool idea. Why didn’t they do that. What’s with all the hallways
In my opinion, this maps sucks because it was MADE to suck. The only reason I can think off why a map designer would mix all those complicated tunnels with lots of spred out enemies and stupid secrets revealed by random actions, is that they deliberately wanted to make this as difficult as possible for 100% runners, but confusing and "organic" (not straight-forward) for people who play this map without knowing what's it about. I'm happy you could finally take this out of your way :P
TNT was trolling you with this map, weren't they, BigMacDavis?
What's worse, this map or a swarm of Lost Souls?
A swarm of Lost Souls in Habitat.
A good answer, but not to the question I asked.
this map for sure!
@TheSoulreaper6000 the man is busy. He'll get to it
I'm playing the Brutal DOOM version, I found 5 of 9 secrets! It is there more secrets in the Brutal version? o,o
just use the auto map for this level i know pepole think its cheating but just use the auto map
Yeah, I wanted to do these maps without saving, without cheats, without automap, and without dying.
Fullbrights make it even uglier
HATE this map too!
well the previous map is much boring and stupid
Folks at TNT must been stoned when they mapped this map, or had a huge party previous day. Or must be April fools day. Or must be foreseers and knew BigMacDavis plays this to play a joke on him.
Whatever the reason they failed. They should feel bad.
@@BigMacDavis They're trolls
Agreed with that. That's why I mainly stick to competitive/arena-style mapping rather than junk like this. I mean, I did make maps like these back in the old Doom II/Duke 3D days during my high school days, and I regret it. Ever since I've done Quake/Unreal mapping, I learned to build up rather than out, and I know that DOOM doesn't have a Z-axis, per se, but I do try to take advantage of making "vertical" maps to a point. Less boring, and annoying that way.
@@BigMacDavis Womp Womp.
The switch at 9:47 makes the L-shaped passage over the poison at 9:59 appear. Kinda funny since BigMacDavis says "it may do nothing" while looking at the answer.
It's really funny :)
the problem of this map are the overcomplex tunnels, I actually liked the concept of the map, somekind of water treatment area, and the way they made it just looked so good for me. Really, the tunnels are boring, but if you don't consider them, the map is good, well detailed and well concepted. Just a fix in the tunnels would make it look pretty good
Hmm... Let's see if I have a different idea of how Habitat SHOULD have been made than these buffoons did. I mean, Team TNT might have had a great idea with these maps, but...it just seems that quality control was a big time issue. Not sure if one should blame id Software for buying this hunk of junk project, or Team TNT with their lack of map design concept execution/quality control, or both in this case.
haha oh dear. Mandatory secrets which are triggered by doing random things, infact the blue key is hidden behind a fake wall. Poorly designed doors, confusing tunnels. Poor use of archviles (open areas not cool). And all for what, to play 90% of a map which is completely skippable. In fact you can beat this map within 30 seconds!!!
Map sucks end of story haha
There must be something wrong with me, I always like TNT more than Plutonia, and I love those tunnels here, the way they are detailed, and endless and full of shotgunners. I just love parts of this level. I love the weird design elements of TNT levels and more colorful textures than Plutonia browny.
Hey, whatever you love is fine with me. :)
i would agree that everybody that prefers tnt over plutonia is... wrong ^^
funny how i was going to read through those comments 4 years later and wanted to add my thoughts just to find out i already did
@@sheliak4576 I prefer TNT over Plutonia. Plutonia is just brown maps with chaingunners, revenants and mancubus. EVERY LEVEL.
@@Cloudywithachanceofcaulk ur wrong lmao if we're generalising then i can just say that TNT is all long maps and trash design.
I'm doing a playthrough of all doom wads on idgames.
And let me tell you, this map is pretty compared to some of the shit that I have played.
Only real cool part of this map is the pentagram room at 8:36, that was a cool trick.
I think the same
I've just watched this video for the second time and only just noticed there are two BFG's in the third secret for some reason!
When it comes to this map for me the greatest in the world of speedrunning is a gentleman called Serge Marudov, who currently holds the UV Max movie record for this wad in about 4 hrs 10 mins. By the time he reached this map, he would have been playing for near three hours and hoping to god that final area with the flats overflow didn't screw his run
It's Mount Pain I find to be my least favorite out of TNT, to be quite honest. Every time I go through this map, I don't have so much of an issue navigating it. (then again, not really of the 100% kind-of person)
"Good.. Good.. Let the Hate flow through you." - Darth Sidious (Emperor Palpatine)
The fact you roast the map at the beginning is golden
This time I'll have to agree with you, I don't like this map either. Even without box-mazes, this still really is one of the worst DooM maps I've ever played.
The things I liked about map 19 (Shipping/Respawning) - the fact that it was meant to be confusing - in this map just seem like an excuse to do a very, very sloppy job. Plus, the map seems as if you're back in the military/tech base, and not descending deeper into hell.
For crying out loud, this map is just BAD.
Sure, I can understand that if your good friend in real life come up to you and says: "Hey, I've made a map for Doom 2 as well !", you are not going to tell him it's awful and it sucks.But to put it into an overall great map pack , one that is commercially distributed, is taking it a bit too far.
This map is bad in so many ways. Unbelievable this got released. Anyway, keep up the good work, Big Mac !
No, you're right, I won't tell him it's awful and it sucks. But I'd definitely say it needs improvement. There are some areas of this map that have great attention to detail, it's just the gameplay and the tunnels might need some improvement. And some of the secret areas can only be opened by stepping i certain sections of the tunnels, that's a pretty bad idea. Anyways, thank you, my friend! :D
You know it's bad when Bigmac is dropping f-bombs cause he doesn't do that very often. It's for good reason too.
On secret 3, I had the last stair fail to activate so I couldn't reach the switch leaving me permanently stuck... great job guys.
Anyone else notice that BigMacDavis knows his way round and never looks at the maps? LOL
Yeah, I have them memorized. At least when I'm recording the maps, lol.
I actually had real fun playing this map and I liked it, and the music is great, so yeah... it's a good map, definitely not the ugliest one of TNT :)
1:17 Arch Vile: “Omae wa mou shinderu”
I think they made this map just to brutally troll us.
I like to think that this was the map John Romero saw during TNT’s development and was what inspired him to have the wad on Final Doom.
This map is some 1994 bullshit with the keys in secrets. This is like the 3rd time I had to watch a walkthough of a TNT map because of this cryptic, mazelike rubbish. Who thinks to walk through walls looking for essential keys?? Plutonia really is superior.
what? This level is incredible for the Doom engine!
yeah but if you were to turn it in a doom mapping compeition, you would unabashedly get an F or at the very least, around a D
amateur level design. The very start of DOOM I has more effort than Habitat
This map should've been called Operation: Mole Rat
A small thing that bugs me (in addition) is how one key is skull and the other 2 are normal. They did that in a couple maps back too where the blue key was normal and the rest were skull. Its like... why... makes my OCD appear..
I think my biggest problem is not the tunnels themselves, but how they were laid out and how confusing exploring it feels, taking the fun out of the experience (especially if you're making a 100% walkthrough like you're doing).
I like the map concept, but it's not the best execution of it...
yeeeesss, BMD, I can feel your anger. Let the hate flow through you
Monster infights in the original Doom(including sourceports) are more entertaining to watch than Doom 3. I mean in Doom 3, if an Imp accidentally hits a Revenant. The Revenant will attack the Imp. However, the Imp won't attack the Revenant.
The only good thing about this map is SOME details... yes, some, because there are another stupid details that totally ruins the aspect of this map.
I will agree with that. There is some attention to detail. But a lot of it is in all the wrong places.
Dude i think the ugliness factor for the tunnels is pretty realistic. :P
+duc thai Despite your complaints about having to go around in random places for kills and secrets, it means the map encourages exploration.
Great to have responded to yourself, congrats dude 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
As if that isn't obvious.
I know :P
your hatred toward this is detectable clearly:D in almost all doom maps there are areas that open when you walk past them. but in this you bitterly say that it is a stupid idea xD Habitat hate is real...
Well I’ve made to this infamous map..not looking forward to 100 % this map today..I don’t think iamma like the whole tunnel thing ..didn’t like it while I was watching this video lol ..but this is where I made it so far
Those secrets were just a trolls but the beginning area and the area with those pinky demons were fun.
Those tunnels were even like sewers, AKA, some of the most overused map types in videogames.
Blue room kinda looks like an underwater room. Interesting idea, but yeah, I hate this map.
DooM E1M1-Hangar has that stupid secret when you cross the poison bridge. I hate those secrets. Now to be fair you can hear something open. The worst ones are like these ones. You don't know where the fuck it happened or that you even did something. It's so dumb. "walk across this hallway and a secret will open 10 miles back" Well fucking thanks.
This map may be horrible, but I've always liked the music in this map. The same music is also in map 28 Heck, which suits it better I think.
That's one thing about TNT Evilution. They have awesome music tracks.
Nice walk-through, but I was wondering what your opinion on the map is? ;)
I prefer this map over the previous one simply because of how brief it is. M21 is just too damn long
I admit that map is absolutely awful for sure but there are a lot of other maps that are terrible as well in tnt I definitely feel your pain for this map what is the deal with the tunnels goodness gracious can’t stand mazes or tunnels at all I don’t know what they were thinking!!
I don't know what they were thinking either!
In the line of stupid secrets, these are the winners
Mr.Big daddy Mac n' Tosh. Love the video, but you sound like you're sick/irritated with everything in this video! I know it was posted in 2013, but hey couldn't resist.
I was a bit weirder back then I guess.
I really don't understand why people do not like this level. For me it is one of my favourite levels of TNT.
Hey, yeah, go for it, my friend. It's just my opinion. :)
BigMacDavis Yeah that's fine. I just mentioned it because obviously so many people don't like this level. But anyway... ;-)
i like it too :)
Same here, ill take this over Mount Pain any day. Habitat feels like a godsend compared to Mount Pain. I genuinely like this map.
that switch with the pain elemental raises the narrow "bridge" over the toxic damaging floor in the next room.
another level with a box crate elevator..... Man TNT's idea of realism......
This feels more like a amateur made map then a professional made one.
Last time I played this map I forgot where the tunnels where and found out you don't need any of the keys to get to the exit
Hi,BigMacDavis!This level looks like level 1 "Entryway "on "Doom 2 Hell on Earth "and level 5 "The waste tunnels "!
I can't even remember if I originally played this far through Evilution. I don't really care about getting 100% kills and secrets, and I can see where that goal is really frustrating here, and in my mind was probably most of the reason for your vitriol for it.
I remember when I played this map for the first time. It took me around an hour and a half, and once I finally reached exit, I saw the red door (which I had no key for), and the game said I found under 50% secrets. This was one of the first maps on which, in spite of my CDO, I said "What the heck, this level was stupid, let's just go on to the next."
I just really stuck this map after picking the Blue Key lmao
Ugliest? Mount Pain is uglier.
1:41 - only fun part? Gosh, this entire map is such fun.
Aren't those tunnels/ sewers ugly? No, they aren't for me, I'm a hydraulic engineer. In fact, they're fine
Memorizing this map is... fun.
I love everything about this map... except outdoor design, but I don't care about design.
And the secret inside the exit is awesome.
I'm sorry to tell it, but in all doom this is my 3rd favorite map. SERIOUSLY! I understand why everybody else hates it and I just feel like I'm the only such strange man here. hopefully this comment doesn't give you a false opinion about me. Just bear with my strange taste.
*****
But almost everybody hates it, while I see nothing to hate about it.
+spd7693 I usually agree with BigMac 99% of this time, but i just played through this map myself for the first time in awhile and I actually think it's pretty cleverly done, albeit the secrets in the hallways are kind of strange
+TOdd Smith
Do I just love this map because everyone hates it? I rather love it because everything triggers something and because it makes you go everywhere to find everything - what I love doing in every game I play. Besides I'm a sewer engineer, so this map feels like being for me.
I think the intended concept was really interesting, but it could've been pulled off alot better.
Ive noticed with a good bit of the bad levels...or not as good levels they tend to have better detailed things added...so credit where its due
I actually like this map, flawed as it is. The tunnel aesthetics are pretty neat. If you have GZ Doom, you can crouch through the gate along the river and exit sub :30 without keys.
I get this feeling you don't like this map.... lol
@bigmacdavis someday i hope you tell us how you really feel about this map. I can hear the joy and delight in your voice through the video :D
The switch that your not sure what it does...it brings up that narrow pathway in the toxic slime (around the 11 minute mark).
Thanks for the walkthrough. What a map, damn! The only coll thing is music, and maybe the area after the yellow bars, though it's debatable. Again, thank you Davis.
Man, this was fanatastic. I loved that intro and that anger you showed at the end. And now that you've shown how to get those stupid-ass secrets, I'll have to remember that for when I get to this map.
This map is sooo boring,so confusing and it’s very easy to get disorientated,all because of those secrets,the annoying back tracks,if you just miss or oversighted just 1 switch you will wondering around for hours (some switches can blend into the textures off certain walls or some walls can be opened without any signs in wich i did had troubles with in other levels)
It’s very frustrating,i know that id software wanted to add secrets to it just like nintendo did in their own games,but this is ridiculous,this map alone will kill more braincella then necessarry,it will definitely cause you a big headache,
It’s just that absolute STUPID,that’s why you have to memorize stuff but even that can and will become very confusing overtimes in this map aaarrrggg
There is actually a way of just finishing in about 30 seconds by leaping off where you are at 3.01 and immediately clicking on the what you click on at 11.10.
WHY THE EFF IS EVERTHING A SECRET???
Map be like, "You turned a corner! A SECRET HAS BEEN REVEALED!"
It's ridiculous.
Actually the Team TNT did a something special with this map... they design probably the worst map of the entire game, the first time that i played this game i didn't finished it because this freaking map show me one glitch that just crashed the game (on that time i was playing in DOS Box), ohhh god how i really hate this map. Probably the only good thing is not soooo long als the map21.
11 years later in June of 2024…Habitat…not even project brutality can fix your ugliness…BMD it will be soon time to face your old nemesis!
Oh boy ... This level is the most stupid level I ever played! It's mediocre if you don't want 100% of everything. I have played it quite a few times. I just got 100% of everything once (without using cheats), and that was just a few days ago. The gameplay is pathetic. The level design is extremely nonsensical. People complain about Sandy Petersen's levels. Love them or hate them, they have a solid gameplay.
I didn't think the map was all that bad. I didn't like the mazey tunnels, but I thought they looked cool. Why do you need to memorize them? I just used the automap.
i didn't see the archville as it was behind the wall but could hear it, so i immediatley turned around to find it, as it wasn't there either i ran back to the river to at least take cover first.
so at no point i could've seen that 'secret' wall.
running trough the level i found the red key, so it made sense to me to look for a red door or something that then would make me get the blue key.
HOW was i supposed to know that i have to go trough that specific wall?
just looking in that cave didn't even made me realise that it's smaller than on the map, for that i would've to walk in there but why should i do that if i can clearly see that there isn't anything in there.
why is that wall even there in the first place?
i played trough Evilution besides not enjoying it, because i felt disrespectfull towards its creators to just stop without giving the rest a chance.
but this map just made me realise that i'm not the disrespectfull one, but the people that made maps like map 22 are the ones not respecting my patience and time.
and i could've already expected that from map 1, where you have to go up to the locked door in order for a secret door to open just so you can progress.
i can clearly see that that door is requiring a blue key that i don't have yet, so why am i expected to walk up to it?
are they over- or underestimating my intelligence here?
I hate this map!!!! I played through it today & I couldn’t find the last secret. Once you get the red key red bars randomly appear at the end of the map. Go figure
While I've seen plenty of worse maps from the community (Map06 of Community Chest 1, I'm looking at you.), I definitely can't blame anyone disliking this map with such a passion.
Just finished this map and agree with BigMacDavis that the brown tunnels are horribly designed with boring gameplay, not to mention those stupid tricky secrets in the lighter tunnels. However, I liked the outside area design, especially the rivers and the green grounds before the blue key room and the end. I get some fun there by making the enemies infight with each other after killing the archvile.
I looked for this video because I got lost playing it, to my surprised I had already liked this video from the last time I played TNT so yeah, its a REALLY bad level lmao
i dont get you man, maybe the secrets are dumb but this is a clever map, its supposed to be like a sewer.
and your always talking about getting lost and memorizing maps, JUST PRESS TAB AND USE MAP!!!
your voice is good to be a narrator, i feel like i was watching some documentary of doom about how stupid this map is xD
I love how you ranted at the end haha. I'm pretty sure there are other levels that also has terrible level designs
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@BigMacDavis
I'm confused. I play with GZDoom, and have a map. I have been playing doom for years now (every since it came out). WHY DON'T YOU USE THE MAP?!? Is it considered cheating?
No, it's not cheating, I just don't use it unless I have to.
Just more evidence that TNT SUCKS! But just like pizza or sex, it's still fine.
With you voice, I’d never thought this channel would be explicit
Normally, it isn't, but given these circumstances... yeah...
This map is awful
Ohh yeah, Habitat. Got killed a few times on it last night. Chaingunner behind me wasted me.
You deserve a presidential medal for memorizing this dumb map.
The ugliest map in all of Doom, and arguiable, the one which has worst gameplay
"This is level design malpractice! NEXT!"
This map looks so random that I kinda like it.
Still not Doom II's Chasm. THAT was a baaaad map.
I kinda like the chasm. It's definitely not the best map. But it's ok if you ask me.
I can never remember what activates that door toward the top of the map.
Call it a sixth sense but something tells me you dont really like this map
In android I am playing doom tnt!
This map is worse than the last one.
This map certainly sucks.