Finding the Good in Sonic Forces

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  • Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
  • This game has been beaten into the ground by both critics and fans, but Five Years Later, I think it's time to give it a second chance. Maybe Sonic Forces has more to offer than we initially thought.
    0:00 - Intro
    1:13 - Visuals
    5:03 - Sonic
    6:50 - Avatar
    11:35 - Classic Sonic Rant
    13:28 - Story
    16:45 - Music
    21:35 - Outro
    (Updated Thoughts 8/5/23)
    Keep in mind I am playing Devil’s Advocate in this video, this is not a review. Despite the bit of praise I had I still don’t think Forces is a good game.
    Don’t let that take away from how much you enjoyed forces, I just want it to be known that just because I tried to look at it from a more positive angle doesn’t mean I think it’s a quality product.
    But again this was about finding the good in sonic forces, not tearing it down for the 100th time, so the video stays true to its name, I just wanted to clarify my stance.
    Music Used (In order of appearance)
    This is Our World - A New Hero
    Theme of the Resistance
    Sunset Heights
    Luminous Forest
    Egg Gate
    Justice - Park Avenue
    This is Who You Are
    Death Egg
    Cutscene - Infinite
    Cutscene - Sun of Despair
    Taking It Back
    Fist Bump
    Luminous Forest
    Moonlight Battlefield
    Faded Hills
    Battle with Egg Dragoon MK. II
    Battle with Mega Death Egg Robot
    Cutscene - New Journeys
    Finding the Good in Sonic Forces Five Years Later
    Sonic Forces Review
    Sonic Forces Retrospective
    Sonic Movie
    Sonic
    You can't understand how hyped I am for Sonic Frontiers.
    #sonicforces #sonic #sonicthehedgehog
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  • @oscarnavarrete3557
    @oscarnavarrete3557 Рік тому +164

    The best thing about Sonic Forces imo is the fact that the avatar exists. I would love for them to make an appearance in a future game or at least hold the same idea. Sonic has become such an icon and has had such a legendary community I think having a customizable feature is perfect for the franchise. The avatar I think also leads into a lot of the creativity present within IDW, since now that the avatar exists new characters can be added and created without it feeling too weird or odd. IDW also taking place in a post forces world allows for a lot of good world building and elements put into play, like the Wispons! All in all, as terrible as forces was, I think it allows the future of sonic to actually look brighter in a weird way

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +25

      The avatar was definitely a highlight, it’s one of the only unique parts of the game.

    • @rickyrackey7930
      @rickyrackey7930 9 місяців тому +2

      @@Romanode_I’m gonna make my Avatar the next Beef Testosterone. (If you are a Cr1tikal fan, you would understand.)

    • @legitarandomguy
      @legitarandomguy 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Romanode_you can get a free sanic shirt

    • @AA-qx4hu
      @AA-qx4hu Місяць тому

      The avatar is a good idea and features

    • @EphraimSangi
      @EphraimSangi 13 днів тому

      He sucks

  • @Whozl8
    @Whozl8 Рік тому +80

    I was 7 when I played the game and I thought this was the peak of video games

  • @Natsuki_Kat
    @Natsuki_Kat Рік тому +227

    This dude is criminally underrated

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +37

      Appreciate you 🫡

    • @HeyNitroNova
      @HeyNitroNova Рік тому +5

      fr

    • @boyaboya9576
      @boyaboya9576 Рік тому +10

      I just want to say that you are my hero! This game is insanely fun, and it seems like you are the only one who agrees! Join me for #forces 2 and #forces love

    • @gokuthemonkey385
      @gokuthemonkey385 11 місяців тому +1

      W man

    • @Yoshistar238
      @Yoshistar238 9 місяців тому +1

      spoke the truth

  • @rowanheydorn6811
    @rowanheydorn6811 11 місяців тому +47

    I know I might be biased but sonic forces was my first boost game. I love going through the levels, listening to the music, and so so much more. It may not be perfect. But its good

    • @DoodlezYT1223
      @DoodlezYT1223 5 місяців тому +1

      I just think it needs some more boss fight design

    • @Emery_Pallas
      @Emery_Pallas 2 місяці тому +1

      Its my first one too (Unless 3DS Sonic Generations counts), It's definitely not the worst game I've played (which funnily enough, is its WiiU predecessor Sonic lost world) but I don't remember having much fun with it beyond trying to mess up the boost. More power to you for liking it but I cannot see it being good beyond the music and perhaps a couple of stages (I remember really liking that river one)
      Maybe its because I was a bit too old for it, maybe it was Mario Odyssey, maybe it's my own excessive library of 2d platformers, but going through Sonic Forces feels like a cheap, barebones platformer wearing the skin of a concept much greater then it seems capable of achieving (with really short levels that don't feel like they go anywhere, copy paste boss fight design, a weird lack of boss fights at the end of important sections (The Death egg exploding without a boss or an escape level is the standout example, any setpeice would do), copy pasted bonus level design, a poorly toned and contradictory story with key concepts left to minor background visuals and throwaway dialogue, and just overall a feeling of poor quality which just oozes from it in a way Sonic Lost World never manages to achieve (though in Lost World's case it just removes any ironic enjoyment, which Forces at least has)).
      Also I note again, I dont want to devalue you're enjoyment of Sonic Forces, this is just how i feel about the game
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  • @ld-service8534
    @ld-service8534 Рік тому +38

    Classic Sonic exist here because of the Good Ending in Sonic Mania.

    • @Emery_Pallas
      @Emery_Pallas 2 місяці тому +3

      it's sort of the other way around. The good ending of sonic mania exists because Classic sonic exists here

  • @FutureFoxyOfficial
    @FutureFoxyOfficial Рік тому +51

    I'm so glad to hear that other people like forces too, I actually really liked it

    • @How-dare-you-diss-my-cheese
      @How-dare-you-diss-my-cheese 11 місяців тому +6

      Me too

    • @dapperfan44
      @dapperfan44 8 місяців тому +7

      I liked it and called it a "decent, yet ultimately underwhelming time that is fun while it lasts." It got so much extra hate than it should have.

    • @mattiasolsson1523
      @mattiasolsson1523 8 місяців тому +6

      Its not bad, only disapointed. Better than Sonic 06 right?

    • @datgamerian
      @datgamerian 5 місяців тому +3

      @@mattiasolsson1523Sonic 06 is not a bad game, per se. It's a rushed game and the reason people consider it bad is just for 1. the kiss and 2. the bugs, the latter having been fixed with Project 06

    • @leonlabtv9564
      @leonlabtv9564 4 місяці тому

      Same

  • @lowporosity
    @lowporosity Рік тому +112

    For me, My feelings with Forces are mixed primarily because this was a game with a lot of potential conceptually. The simple concept of "Eggman finally wins" to celebrate Sonic's 25th Anniversary needed to be executed to near perfection and seeing how they missed so badly, its hard to not feel some type of way towards it. It was a game that could've joined the spotlight of Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey, and in terms of Sonic, could've been the biggest thing to happen to the hedgehog since his inception but they missed.
    With that said, you highlighted great things, some undeniably great, about Forces and what it managed to do right. Despite its expectations, the argument that "it's the perfect Sonic game for newcomers//A Little Sonic fan's dream game" honestly made me reconsider the way I perceived the title. You've got the characters (excl. Classic Sonic), a short game, the character maker-- so it makes sense for it to be seen that way.
    Great video as always, and I wish you a fun time tomorrow as we all set out on a new frontier :)

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +11

      Glad you enjoyed! And yeah I’m quite literally fueled by Sonic Frontiers hype rn, I really hope it’s good.

    • @gabeheartz13saravia97
      @gabeheartz13saravia97 Рік тому +9

      @@Romanode_
      I think the whole "Take back the World" theme of the game is similar to the core concepts of the "1993 Sonic the Hedgehog Saturday Morning Animated Television Series" (SatAM), which more or less served as the partial basis of the 2 Sonic Comic Series by Archie Comic Publications and Egmont Fleetway Editions, so I think that those cartoons and comics also served as the inspiration for this game!
      The Resistance also seems to be partially based on the concept of the Freedom Fighters from both the comics and the SatAM Series they were based off of! (it’s a shame that they never introduced the characters from the archie sonic comics!)

    • @dapperfan44
      @dapperfan44 8 місяців тому +2

      OP I said the same thing when I originally beat the game-that while it was underwhelming, that difficulty-wise it would be a great Sonic game for people who never played a Sonic game before or were usually bad at Sonic games.

    • @EphraimSangi
      @EphraimSangi 13 днів тому

      ​@@dapperfan44disagree

    • @EphraimSangi
      @EphraimSangi 13 днів тому

      No

  • @breninho353
    @breninho353 Рік тому +32

    just finished this game today, it's far from perfect but I still had quite a lot of fun

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +8

      Aye i'm glad to hear that!

  • @SkyDeoProductions
    @SkyDeoProductions Рік тому +77

    This video has a disgustingly low amount of views for how well it was made

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +10

      Thank you!

    • @clairemcdaid4310
      @clairemcdaid4310 9 місяців тому +5

      If I were to guess why it’s because so many people now treat forces almost like 06 where they won’t accept anything about the game is good. (which I don’t really even care for the game I think it’s just ok) kind of similar to the people who write off p06 because it’s built off sonic 06

  • @3myr08
    @3myr08 9 місяців тому +12

    Yeah I think you summed up the story perfectly. It’s SO good for an 8 or 9 year old who’s getting introduced to Sonic but still a pretty good and simple story for more grown up fans of Sonic. Personally that’s why I loved the story so much. I played Forces when I was like 8 or 9 exactly lol so that game really did come out at the perfect time for me. And it was basically my first Sonic game so yeah.
    Also about the gameplay, I don’t think it’s good just for kids who are getting into the Sonic franchise but also is good because it’s the game which makes you feel the most like Sonic, just blasting through enemies at insane speeds is just so thrilling to do lol.

  • @ForgetfulPlayerNr03
    @ForgetfulPlayerNr03 Рік тому +47

    13:12 This is one of my main gripes with Classic Sonic (at least story related) because having Classic Sonic being from a different dimension isn't that crazy after the whole Time Eater and Phantomy Ruby sheningans but they couldn't do anything with it and explore the idea
    Also I'll give you a good thing about Classic Sonic: his levels actually feel like actual levels and you can gain speed now while rolling now which is nice

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +7

      Do you gain speed when rolling down hills? I never noticed that.

    • @DavidBlaiseSGaela
      @DavidBlaiseSGaela Рік тому +9

      Yeah when you go down slopes while running you pick up speed but when you rolled down a slope as a ball you dont pick up speed forces is the total opposite you cant get more speed by going down slopes but going down a slope in a ball does

    • @whisper_ishere518
      @whisper_ishere518 Рік тому +2

      The ultimate Generations classic Sonic, just add the forces roll and drop dash

    • @CaptainLongbone
      @CaptainLongbone 10 місяців тому +1

      They could've just said that he's from an alternate timeline. It would've allowed them to release more classic sonic games without messing with the main continuity and they would've completely avoided the retcon, as sonic and eggman knowing about future events is bound to change everything anyway.

    • @DJ_3592
      @DJ_3592 10 місяців тому +2

      He's from the second dimension

  • @tabbywarrior
    @tabbywarrior Рік тому +6

    3:07 fun fact, Eggman built all the post-lost world stuff with the Phantom Ruby, according to the comics. He made all of the fortress and the chemical plant and his giant robots using robots that he created using the Phantom Ruby, which is for example, why Sonic stops dead in his tracked when hitting an enemy rather than Badnik bouncing; they're so durable.

  • @Vivigreeny25
    @Vivigreeny25 11 місяців тому +8

    14:36 oh thank GOD this was a universal experience
    Anyways, THRILLED to see someone shed some light on the music. Only issues I have with it are the classic Sonic tracks and the lack of Fist Bump in the final boss music.

  • @ashooaway
    @ashooaway 10 місяців тому +16

    What's interesting is you had the courage to take an alternative take on this game. And akin to what people have done since 2021 about Sonic 06 in about a decade's time; we'll find more fans who will sing this games praises and it'll be attributed to this video well done. I'm proud for having the courage to shine a light on what most people find bad. One's man's trash is another man's treasure

  • @wild6886
    @wild6886 Місяць тому +2

    The avatar was easily the best thing from the game, and I wish someday we'd get a spin-off game soley as them.
    I also thought the challenges despite no 100% completion reward, made it fun to come back to and I feel most of my enjoyment from the game stems from it.

  • @Nitrooncrack
    @Nitrooncrack Рік тому +12

    Sonic Team wanted to make something big and I dont think anything else captures those feelings besides Sunset heights, Fist bump, and Infinites theme song.

    • @Gyrokun
      @Gyrokun 10 місяців тому +1

      The Light of Hope too

    • @gameman5804
      @gameman5804 7 місяців тому

      Sunset Heights is up there as one of the most interesting settings in Sonic. Like it’s up there with Kingdom Valley in terms of being iconic.

    • @EphraimSangi
      @EphraimSangi 13 днів тому

      ​@@gameman5804disagree

  • @AlvinPlayz997
    @AlvinPlayz997 Рік тому +8

    Personally, I like Forces. It's actually 1 of my favourite Sonic games alongside Mania and 3&K

    • @EphraimSangi
      @EphraimSangi 13 днів тому

      Mania and 3&k is better for me

  • @snfn1562
    @snfn1562 2 місяці тому +2

    I like to think eggmans time is mostly spent having panel board meetings delegating tasks to robots so he can keep his shit running

  • @Riderssonichoverboardisepik
    @Riderssonichoverboardisepik 11 місяців тому +2

    THIS VIDEO IS ILLEGALLY UNDERRATED BECAUSE I kinda liked forces because I ignored the janky controls

  • @GreekoSerb
    @GreekoSerb 4 місяці тому +3

    honestly I was 8 when this game was released, this was literally my favourite game and I replayed it like 27 times and I creid when classic sonic disappeared

    • @EphraimSangi
      @EphraimSangi 13 днів тому

      For me the game is bad and the ending is't sad

  • @sketchy275
    @sketchy275 4 місяці тому +2

    Maybe the good in sonic forces is the friends we made along the way. Very good video btw. Sketch approved👍 pretty underrated

  • @paulwilliams5949
    @paulwilliams5949 Рік тому +54

    I think it's good for speedruns

    • @dymaz6282
      @dymaz6282 Рік тому +3

      **LOL**

    • @Sonicdudestfu
      @Sonicdudestfu Рік тому +2

      I have speed ran this and I have beat in 17:42.23

    • @TrollerGuy7
      @TrollerGuy7 Рік тому +1

      yeah it’s a really good game for speed running I beat it in like 30 minutes

    • @Ethan_knox
      @Ethan_knox 10 місяців тому +1

      Please level 25 is literally hell

    • @EphraimSangi
      @EphraimSangi 13 днів тому

      ​​@@Ethan_knoxno

  • @gechoman44iwantahippo
    @gechoman44iwantahippo 7 місяців тому +5

    Personally, I like Forces, but I do think it’s way too short

  • @IronTrickster
    @IronTrickster Рік тому +5

    I really love the music of Forces (except Classic Sonic's) and i often listen to it when i'm reading the IDW comics it cause it fits really well, i've been especially listening to Arsenal Pyramid when i read the Eggperial City storyline

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому

      Literally SAME, the music fits so well, especially the menu music.

  • @jacobmanion4440
    @jacobmanion4440 11 місяців тому +2

    Thank you for going through this game ❤

  • @djsklb
    @djsklb Рік тому +1

    Amazing video !!

  • @M4r10br05glaxy
    @M4r10br05glaxy 6 місяців тому +4

    How are people even gonna think that Sonic forces is worse than Sonic 06 .-. Well, I actually like Forces a lot, I don’t know why everyone hates this game, it’s actually greater than many Sonic games.

    • @mattiasolsson1523
      @mattiasolsson1523 13 днів тому

      Sonic forces is better than other Sonic games im not like at all such as Sonic labyrinth and Sonic blast.

  • @MephilesEpicFan
    @MephilesEpicFan 2 місяці тому +2

    1:33 FINALLY SOMEONE NOTICE THE ASTEROIDS 😭😭😭😭

    • @EphraimSangi
      @EphraimSangi 13 днів тому

      I notice but unleashed has better visaul

  • @slateoffate9812
    @slateoffate9812 11 місяців тому +3

    16:54 I did used to have an idea for a Sonic villain: Toxin the Scorpion. Sonic's about freedom in life, Eggman's about control, and Toxin... is about ableism and misery. He's a "survivor of the fittest, how dare these nobodies believe themselves worthy of happiness," type of bad guy.

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  10 місяців тому

      I could see that showing up in the comics

    • @slateoffate9812
      @slateoffate9812 10 місяців тому

      @@Romanode_ Eh. His power set was basically water bending, but poisonous sludge instead of water. His home would be some place called the Forest of Death, where literally everything is hostile.
      I imagined he'd appear in a game where all the stages are based on hostile aspects of Nature. Green Hill expy? Plants whose surfaces are lined with stomach acid. Desert stage? Ring draining heat. Water stage? Abyssal plain ocean base where the water pressure is lethal, and the airlock just broke. Sky stage? Taking a page from xkcd; high altitude where the winds are so strong that if you fall you risk turning into exciting new forms of matter.
      Don't really think he's IDW material. At the same time, I don't have a personal Sonic oc. Not particularly drawn to any specific animal, and my favorite color is royal blue, so that's also a problem.

  • @AphidCell
    @AphidCell 8 місяців тому

    You almost got me there with the first drill impressions. It is my favorite too!

  • @Javi_wear_0224
    @Javi_wear_0224 Рік тому +18

    I was mixed cause I thought the level design was not only basic but broken at times especially in those water slide levels. Yet I can’t say that my ears weren’t creaming to the good chunk of an ost this game has. Seriously Aqua Road, Infinite theme (played by dangerkids btw), Chemical Plant all these had such good songs that I couldn’t get rid off even when I was cleaning out my playlist on liked tracks on soundcloud I couldn’t remove a handful of the forces tracks that I had liked.

  • @rainbowsonic5501
    @rainbowsonic5501 7 місяців тому +2

    One aspect I think you missed about why Sonic Forces can be a great game is the Red Rings. Yes you can finish some Sonic Forces level by simply dashing forward, but if you want to find all the red rings, that is simply not an option. And to find them, you will need to restart the levels many times and see the alternate paths offered. It honestly saved the game for me. Finding all the red rings was a perfect challenge that just helped most levels shine. Some levels are actually quite deep when you start to dig around for secret paths!
    And I just wanted to say that Sonic Forces has my favorite Sonic OST and that is saying something since I pretty much like them all. It's just so different and amazing! It grew on me like crazy and now I keep going back to it and listing to these songs while I work. It motivate me like nothing else!
    I do agree however, that the game would just be better if they removed classic Sonic. There is not much to really like in most of these levels, except maybe to find the red rings. They are ok at best.

  • @arrowlovesart
    @arrowlovesart Рік тому +5

    Bro when I peeled back to take a look at the views on this video I was fuckin' shocked. Only 7k views?! This video is so well made, not to mention funny and genuinely informative- Hope more people find this!

  • @bonusmemez2739
    @bonusmemez2739 Рік тому +2

    Raid the Rabbit is the best rabbit in the Sonic series I love his tired face so much and his fancy tux

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 Рік тому +3

    The thing I hated about the Avatar is how janky they are to play. For a game focused ENTIRELY on moving fast and speeding through levels, the Avatar has an awful lot of abilities that just flat out halt or slow all of your momentum. The homing attack makes you stall after you hit an enemy and you can't really move again till you land on the ground. The whip thing (which has no explanation as to why they have it btw) could have been like Spiderman, with free-flowing acrobatic swings and jumps, but instead it feels stiff and often times (once again) slows your momentum quite a bit, even if its not as bad as the homing attack. The fact that they still have awkward acceleration like Sonic, but without a double jump (unless you use the bird) and without an air boost just feels off.

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +2

      Gameplay wise the avatar is definitely lacking--like the other playstyles. It’s the wispons and character creator that interests me most.

    • @Cerisekiwi5030
      @Cerisekiwi5030 5 місяців тому +2

      I have trouble controlling the characters too but that just me every sonic game 😅 so I’m just terrible at playing the games 😂

    • @lasercraft32
      @lasercraft32 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Cerisekiwi5030 I'm not talking about a "skill issue" though. Even if you play them correctly, the Avatar feels clunky. Its just how they're designed.

    • @lasercraft32
      @lasercraft32 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Romanode_ Yes the customizability is great. Imagine if they were customizable, AND fun to play! So much missed potential.

  • @mileskintnermusic7349
    @mileskintnermusic7349 Місяць тому

    Thank you for bringing up the music. I absolutely LOVE the soundtrack for this game.

  • @TheGamerFreddie
    @TheGamerFreddie Рік тому +2

    I find it interesting that you didn't cover the Shadow levels. Otherwise, yeah this video is amazing, and I agree with most of the things you said (heavy disagree on the Drill and Hover Wispons, also that is not how I thought one would pronounce "Wispon", so I had an interesting reaction when I first heard it lmaoo). Keep up the good work!

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +4

      Man I should’ve covered Shadow, it’s definitely a cool inclusion. Even if he’s just a reskin it’s great to play as him. Episode Shadow ain’t too bad either.

  • @terminalvelocityrunner2202
    @terminalvelocityrunner2202 10 місяців тому +1

    For the drill Wispon, you had me in the first half, NGL. Love this video. It brings more light to a game that definitely isn’t incredible compared to other installments, but isn’t anywhere as awful as others. It gets an unreasonable amount of hate thrown at it, so really, thank you.
    The one nitpick I have is a really minor one. Mor Tar canyon? It’s Mortar canyon. Like the explosive? I love explosives, so hearing the name of one of the best stages in the game butchered made me actually take internal damage. I felt something lurch in my chest, lol.

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  10 місяців тому +1

      Lol my bad, I have a history of mispronouncing stuff.

  • @Megaclaw54
    @Megaclaw54 2 місяці тому +2

    I have nothing bad to say about forces actually…yeah I understand a lot of why everyone hate it…but it was one of the phew games that I can actually still replay, Idk why but I just like to replay forces, the bosses are alright, but the metal sonic battle is my fav….the music…THE MUSIC IS AWESOME!!!
    Here are some songs that I love with a huge passion:
    Fist bump is still a masterpiece of a song to this day, the guitar and the voice is just to hard to dislike
    Sunset heights has a drums which is cool, but in the beginning…is just flat out cool
    Battle with metal sonic is by far I think super robotic which fits him perfectly
    And the death egg robot phase 3 is just…..(insert chef kiss here) it’s just awesome
    It’s hard for me to dislike this game.
    Also thx for looking and finding good stuff of sonic forces, I have mad respect for you❤
    You got a liker and a subscriber❤

    • @mattiasolsson1523
      @mattiasolsson1523 13 днів тому +1

      I replay a few stages in Sonic Forces especially the Avatar stages. The more i replay the more i appreciate the game for not be the worst or hated like everyone says.

    • @user-countless
      @user-countless 4 дні тому

      ​@@mattiasolsson1523same with about every other "bad" sonic game

  • @dilto456
    @dilto456 Рік тому

    GG that the vid what did i need from a while

  • @melanierightonthebutt4483
    @melanierightonthebutt4483 Рік тому +2

    that’s actually a really good video also sonic forces is fun to me i enjoyed it a lot lol

  • @rickberny1424
    @rickberny1424 Рік тому +1

    Bruv the video was awesome, keep up the work, you should do a similar thing to colors ultimate, I have no idea how the community precieves that game but I wanna hear yours

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому

      Thank you! Fun fact this video was originally a comparison between Forces and Colors, showing that they had more in common than people thought. So yeah I could definitely do something like that in the future.

  • @SilentGlaceon94
    @SilentGlaceon94 18 днів тому +1

    Even though Sonic Forces isn't the best Sonic game, let alone my personal favorite, I had a lot of fun playing it. The avatar levels were the highlight of the game, and the level of customization is pretty fun too. I kinda wish they stuck with just modern Sonic and the Avatar as the only ones fighting Eggman and Infinite instead.

  • @grov71
    @grov71 Рік тому +5

    For me, Sonic forces is my favorite sonic game. I know that it feels unfinished, classic Sonic is unnecessary, some level design is very simplistic, it's very short etc. But i really enjoy it. It has great graphics, modern sonic levels are really great (except for the jungle level, it's not bad though) and the wispon mechanic was fun. It's also very fun to Speedrun. The game is definitely overhated and i think it's a solid 6/10, but i personally enjoy it more than that

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому

      I’m glad you could enjoy it despite its flaws, I’d probably give it a 6 too.

    • @lorigayeallen522
      @lorigayeallen522 Рік тому

      Donkt you dare say that about classic sonic!

    • @EphraimSangi
      @EphraimSangi 13 днів тому

      But not the best graphic

  • @samanthamurray9300
    @samanthamurray9300 23 дні тому

    To answer your question about eggmans fortress and such is because after the first level it skips to after Eggman took over everything so no one can stop him from anything

  • @creeperhog9687
    @creeperhog9687 10 днів тому

    Putting the cube wisp above the lightning is wild

  • @AA-qx4hu
    @AA-qx4hu Місяць тому

    I like sonic forces because it has so much fast gameplay combined with action and it’s music does so well in reminding you that you’re part of the uprising

  • @sodadour
    @sodadour Рік тому +2

    To me, I’d say forces is a good game. I really enjoyed the game and still play it til this day. nice video btw.

  • @jeremiahscott2032
    @jeremiahscott2032 11 місяців тому

    One immediate good thing about all Sonic games: the music😂😂😂
    I didn’t really like the controls, but able to blitz through most levels were fun. Also double boost moments are so hype

  • @NormalBricks
    @NormalBricks Рік тому +2

    The music is probably the best thing about this game

  • @ShaggyGaming69
    @ShaggyGaming69 Рік тому +1

    There is actually a Canon explanation for the wisp thing in a now deleted Sonic mobile game "Sonic Runners," and its not that surprising either
    The wisps, after visiting Sonic's planet, liked it so much they decided to stay on it

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +1

      That makes sense I guess, I wish it was explained in a mainline game though.

  • @WoxyBoxy
    @WoxyBoxy 4 місяці тому

    I’ve always loved how much is going on in the background in Forces’ levels. It really sells the idea that these are actual locations with things happening, and not just random platforming stages. I think in this regard it’s really only rivaled by the modern DKC games.

  • @hyperunboxing9304
    @hyperunboxing9304 Місяць тому

    If I was a filmmaker, I would make a movie about this game but with a beautiful story instead of ugly

  • @ballinn0430
    @ballinn0430 6 місяців тому

    That's a thing that even great explorers struggle to find.

  • @mattiasolsson1523
    @mattiasolsson1523 8 місяців тому +2

    Sonic forces has a great soundtrack and some stages ad some replay value, believe me because those good parts made me play the game even more.

  • @wafflehead9231
    @wafflehead9231 7 місяців тому

    With the music, you can’t forget Infinites Theme(s), his main theme and the battle remixes absolutely slap.

  • @gojithecringe
    @gojithecringe Рік тому +3

    Also, regarding the who debacle over Classic Sonic being from alternate dimension, i think Time Eaters influence when he got the guy into White void might create 2 timelines, with the first going as usual with Adventure, Heroes ect, and the second one is Mania. Just my thoughts.

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +2

      Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too, that or Tails sees the past as a different timeline/alternate dimension.

    • @lorigayeallen522
      @lorigayeallen522 Рік тому

      Ok this is gonna sound crazy but I can,t take this anymore so i,m just gonna say it.
      Classic sonic is from both a timeline and a dimension, now before you take out your torches and pitchforks, according to tailstube, classic sonic,s home is in another dimension and a alternative reality from sonic,s current world in the multiverse, classic sonic,s world is the past version of modern sonic,s world and is in another timeline. (Search it up on Google if you don,t believe me.)

  • @lillydoodle6195
    @lillydoodle6195 Рік тому +16

    Amazing video! Good to see some people can find enjoyment in forces

  • @beegsoder
    @beegsoder Рік тому +1

    I don't hate the game, but I love it because of the good stuff of Forces.
    Thank the lord that I found a person thinks the same thing.

  • @FirestoneAnimation
    @FirestoneAnimation 11 місяців тому +1

    An interesting thing that could've been done with the Wispons is if it was Tails that invented them after sending a distress call to the home of the wisps for a desperate last attempt. Some get captured on the way and they'd have to free the wisps to get their help.
    Also if they took the Open Zone idea from Frontiers and chucked it into Forces, it could've improved greatly especially since the entire world would be in danger. They could go to old game locations like '06 or Unleashed in search for the Emeralds since we know from Mania, the Phantom Ruby can match the chaotic power of the Emeralds.
    Another great change to Forces would be replacing Zavok with someone like Mephiles or something.
    One VERY important change I'd love to Infinite especially (just a personal nitpick) is less voicelines. He monologs a lot and making him a bit more quiet would make him more threatening as he's seeing you as nothing more but another citizen ready to be destroyed. It's quiet villains that give me chills.
    Also for some reason, listening to the dialog in Mortyr Canyon gave me goosebumps like if I slowed down, I'd lose immediately.

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  11 місяців тому

      Agree with most of this but idk about replacing Zavok with Mephiles, as far as everybody knows Mephiles doesn’t exist.

    • @FirestoneAnimation
      @FirestoneAnimation 11 місяців тому

      @@Romanode_ Ah right. Forgot the whole time reset stuff.
      But we definitely need a different enemy than Zavok. He just felt so... out of place.

  • @VelocityPlayz2100
    @VelocityPlayz2100 9 місяців тому +1

    This is the first sonic game and video game I ever played

  • @ThatguyUkn0wfr0mS0mewhere
    @ThatguyUkn0wfr0mS0mewhere 11 місяців тому +1

    Dude I was literally about comment how I actually liked the story when I was younger before you brought up the point. Despite being a younger less mature audience, I’m sure kids like me would’ve felt like those kids who grew up with Sonic Adventure. But seriously having SA2 level story would’ve been amazing had it not been wasted.

  • @agentspongebob6953
    @agentspongebob6953 Місяць тому +1

    I think it was cannon that they just stayed in the universe sonic was in just because sonic saved them

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 Рік тому +1

    The music is DEFINITELY underrated.

    • @Yoshistar238
      @Yoshistar238 9 місяців тому

      it gets an unfair amount of hate... exept for classic sonic. that soundtrack can rest in hell.

  • @luigi4life565
    @luigi4life565 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video! Also does anyone know what the sound effect at 12:22 is called

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  11 місяців тому

      Thanks! And that’s some Fnaf 2 sound effect

  • @NameTaag0019
    @NameTaag0019 Рік тому +4

    Infinite is the 144p version of Mephiles

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +1

      💀

    • @passingrando6457
      @passingrando6457 4 місяці тому

      Nah, Infinite is better than Mephiles.
      Did Mephiles have his theme song done by an unironic _Linkin Park cover band?_
      No, he did not. Ergo, Infinite's edginess is funnier.

  • @PAHG2
    @PAHG2 10 місяців тому

    Something I don't see anyone talk about is how the synth in Sonic's tracks is the same synth used for Eggmanland from Sonic Unleashed.
    Also, fun fact, Classic Sonic's tracks were made using a real Genesis sound chip. I think that's pretty cool :))

  • @DSK_Terrence_Official
    @DSK_Terrence_Official 3 місяці тому +1

    Its Ok for me, it was my Covid-19 Game along with Sonic Mania, I went back to it a few times, and now, it’s a ok game for me. They should’ve given Classic Sonic his homing attack, like you could when you collected all the red star rings in Sonic Gens

  • @mrpro538
    @mrpro538 11 місяців тому +1

    I love this game and unironically think it's pretty great. Every time I play it it's a lot of fun. It's still the weakest of the boost quadrilogy, but they're all some of my favourite Sonic games

  • @user-vo4ks8lj3g
    @user-vo4ks8lj3g 10 місяців тому +2

    One of the best things is the music

  • @morkriger
    @morkriger 11 місяців тому +1

    I have always love Sonic Forces since the first minute, and after replaying the classics on Sonic Origins I've come to appreciate the level design quite more. Sure, it has ideas that could have been better executed and was designed by a small rookie team, but I like everything that is good in it so much that for me it still is a wonderful experience. I and have "platinumed" the game, so I am well aware of what I'm saying.

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  10 місяців тому +1

      What about the classics made you appreciate Forces level design? Just out of curiosity.

  • @gabrielbrown1855
    @gabrielbrown1855 Місяць тому

    Infinite’s theme was the best in my opinion because I was surprised Tyler Smyth would be interested to do a Sonic song along with Andy Bane, they killed it on his theme

  • @JJ_mike
    @JJ_mike Рік тому +1

    Sonic forces was my first sonic game I played and I loved it

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому

      I’m glad bro, we need more positivity in this community.

  • @littlekidgamer29
    @littlekidgamer29 8 місяців тому

    When I first played sonic games, I asked my day before school to buy me a sonic game. Originally, I asked for sonic mania, but it was very expensive at the time, sonic forces were on sale, so my dad bought it for me. I never knew how much hate was towards this game as I would spend every day sitting in my room playing this amazing game. Once I learned how much people hated this game, I got really angry. Knowing that sonic frontiers is basically sonic forces 2.0 and has 0 hate. Meanwhile sonic forces have a lot of hate. They are basically the same game. I really loved the fact you could change your character; I remember screaming in excitement when I unlocked this cool gachet for my character. I loved the music; I would sing along to it every time I got the chance to. Overall 8.5/10 (First boost game)

  • @masterofgamesbrian7058
    @masterofgamesbrian7058 Місяць тому

    If Sonic Team ever adds custom avatars in a future game, i would like more customizable options, like quill size for the hedgehogs or body and limb size for each animal.

  • @slateoffate9812
    @slateoffate9812 11 місяців тому

    Idea for a hypothetical ambitious Remake, a Reimagining.
    Gameplay: While Classic Sonic is still around, the Avatar is remade into multiple existing characters, each reflecting one of the Wispons, which the Avatar CAN equip, but doesn't necessarily need to. Dual Grappling Hooks would make the better default if you ask me. Oh, and in the first stage, Sonic uses Rings to boost, not Wisps.
    It starts with Sonic running through a perfectly lively Green Hill, not a speck of Sand in sight. When he arrives in Sunset City, Tails is fending off the robots, but is noticeably weakened, possibly injured.
    Sonic is defeated. Fade to black.
    Stage 2: Sky Sanctuary
    Character: Silver, playing like the hover wispon.
    Stage 3: Mystic Ruins
    Character: Tag Team; Knuckles, Drill, and Silver. Their wispon buttons oppose each other.
    This is basically that one promotional comic with Chaos.
    Then, you get the option between two different stories; Resistance Mode, and Solo Mode, featuring Tails, Classic Sonic, and Omega. Omega is Burst, while Tails remains unplayable, setting up Frontiers.
    I'll start with Solo Mode.
    We start with a glitchy portal opening in the now desolate and sandy Green Hill. A silhouette briefy emerges and dashes off(this is Shadow). Shortly after, the portal starts turning white, and Classic Sonic emerges from the portal:
    Solo Stage 1: Classic Sonic, Green Hill
    Arriving in the City, Classic Sonic notices Tails moving the deactivated Omega from Green Hill to some secret area. Tails... doesn't look good. He's been fighting a war of attrition by himself for six months and life hasn't been kind. He's clearly exhausted, too tired to do anything but panic when Chaos appears.
    Solo Boss 1: Classic Sonic vs. Chaos
    Excited to have a Sonic on his side, Tails requests he secure the path to his bunker so he can repair Omega.
    Solo Stage 2: Sunset Heights, Classic Sonic
    Succeeding, Tails as the leader guides Team... Team Sonic, he declares, clearly still in emotional turmoil, back to Green Hill and, more importantly, Arsenal Pyramid. Tails only just managed to get Omega out of there, so he couldn't get the intel he wanted.
    Solo Stage 3: Omega, Sunset Heights
    Solo Stage 4: Green Hill, Tails
    They're caught by Eggman within the Pyramid, who uses the Egg Dragoon to chase them out into the more open sand wastes. You know the rest, minus Tails learning Sonic is alive.
    Solo Boss 2: Classic Sonic Vs. Egg Dragoon
    Now in safety, Tails contemplates the Phantom Ruby Infinite mentioned. "Didn't... Eggman already use that one time? It created rifts in space, I think. We need to learn more."
    They head to next Eggman base Tails and Omega know of.
    Solo Stage 5: Mystic Casino, Classic Sonic
    Solo Boss 3: A very VERY angry snek, Classic Sonic
    They run into the Avatar, and Solo Mode ends.
    You create your avatar and we get introduced to the Resistance, though that cutscene is written much better.
    Rouge reveals Sonic imprisoned on the Death Egg, and the Resistance plans to steal a ship from Chemical Plant.
    Resistance Stage 1: Chemical Plant
    Tag Team Mode: Avatar and Espio(Asteroid, also making up for Avatar not yet having a wispon)
    Resistance Stage 2: Death Egg, Avatar
    Zavok explains Sonic hasn't been tortured to keep his hope alive so Eggman can crush it in one fell swoop.
    Resistance Boss 1: Sonic vs. Zavok
    R Stage 2: Death Egg, Sonic
    Sonic saves Avatar, but is noticeably worse for wear. Rouge comments they didn't expect the Death Egg to hold so many prisoners. She decides she'll evacuate everyone, while Avatar gets Sonic to safety.
    R Stage 3: Death Egg
    Tag Team: Avatar and Sonic
    Sorry, I'm out of brainstorming juice.

  • @TheJadeFist
    @TheJadeFist 5 місяців тому

    I know it's kinda bad, but I enjoy the hammer weapon, and it gives you that jumping spinning attack that makes it fun to use.

  • @itssufyxd1486
    @itssufyxd1486 4 місяці тому +1

    It is so good that someone finally gets the good out of this game, everybody says it’s trash, but I say not everything

  • @bandicootsauce4569
    @bandicootsauce4569 9 місяців тому +1

    This game is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me - mostly because of the soundtrack.

  • @whatabowtflushy
    @whatabowtflushy 6 місяців тому

    Forces is a second version of mania because when you get the canon ending classic sonic teleports to forces in mania

  • @sprintyt4405
    @sprintyt4405 Рік тому +1

    Honestly the only thing I would add to the avatar would be the option to voice your own character. Basically where you would record yourself reading lines for your avatar

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому +1

      That would be some next level stuff

    • @duckytheduckster0
      @duckytheduckster0 Рік тому

      Wouldn't that spoil the game for you ahead of time?

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  Рік тому

      @@duckytheduckster0 Depends how far they go with it, if they only had you voice the grunts it’d be fine.

    • @lasercraft32
      @lasercraft32 Рік тому +1

      That's kinda wayyy too ambitious, and would also lead to a bunch of people either terribly acting their character, messing up the lines, or just straight up spouting profanity... it would also ruin the "immersion" of the game, I guess... and spoil a lot of plot points you would otherwise learn in those cutscenes.

  • @lucariolawmen919
    @lucariolawmen919 Місяць тому +1

    Honestly, I liked it and thought most of the game was just okay or even good, but that final boss was so much fun and pretty challenging during phases 1 and 2, honestly this game had a lot i didn't like but it also has a lot I liked

  • @L1NK1SH
    @L1NK1SH Рік тому

    I love Forces and chemical plant was my fav level in sonic 2 and I was ECSTATIC when it was in this game

  • @thenightwriter619
    @thenightwriter619 3 дні тому +1

    Forces is my personal least favorite Sonic game, though I would never say it's the worst. For all its faults, there's things it does competently if not outright well- avatar creation is fun, graphically it looks good, the music is still decent even if I find it to blend together too much as a whole (a problem I also take with Frontiers and even Adventure 2, so this isn't even a Forces-specific issue), etc. Heck, the gameplay engine is at least more enjoyable at its core than Frontiers' cyberspace stages or Lost World in some instances, where I feel in those games you have to actively fight against the controls. What ruins Forces for me is simply it's unengaging gameplay and tonally confused story. There's moments of brilliance in both, and in the former's case I'd argue Forces is a gateway drug in casual speedrunning due to how easy it is to learn it's exploits, but I can only credit the game so much for that. I think if the game's marketing wasn't so misleading, there'd be a lot less sourness on the game's reputation- not to say it'd be beloved, but I think it'd be largely just forgotten about, the same way Lost World is despite that game having many similar flaws. But since we were promised an epic return to the darker tone of the 2000's games, a return to the solid boost gameplay of Unleashed and Generations, and just a cool game in general, what we got was a huge letdown. I wouldn't say it did nearly as much damage to the franchise as Sonic 06, but it was a dangerously familiar tale, even looking at the reputation of games proceeding them (largely popular titles at the time with Heroes and Generations, followed by a stumble that was largely looked past in Shadow and Lost World, a controversial game release in 06 and Forces, and an ushering in of a new age following that with Unleashed and Frontiers. History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes, I suppose.)

  • @Flare8295
    @Flare8295 3 місяці тому

    The fact that the music for Forces is the most criticized thing in the game is honestly saying something about humanity altogether

  • @joshkittrell914
    @joshkittrell914 10 місяців тому

    Music and the existence of the custom character were amazing in this game, and when I saw the gameplay trailer, I thought it would be a sequel to Sonic Generations (my personal favorite).
    Edit: also wisps were awesome and nothing will change my mind.

  • @ShiriaruKitaOld
    @ShiriaruKitaOld 11 місяців тому

    I was taught by the internet to hate this game and learnt to completely ignore it. I always read the bad but never the good so I never thought about giving it a chance till I watched this video. I wanna give it a chance now since I'm in an odd sonic mood and there aren't many options on pc. Maybe even mod it to either make it better or to spice things up a bit. They definitely put a lot of work in the game, but it was definitely not enough. I do still appreciate what's in it and I think I'll do more when I play it

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  11 місяців тому

      If you can I’d find a mod that fixes the acceleration, that small change will make the experience a whole lot better.

  • @frthoimbulltherandompokemonguy

    I loved this game-

  • @akiro7640
    @akiro7640 7 місяців тому

    16:03 thats like a great idea, and also. Based on whay i remember on this game, whats the purpose of this game being an online game?

  • @ExplodingRakkoon
    @ExplodingRakkoon Рік тому

    Soundtrack is great

  • @SolusTrionReborn
    @SolusTrionReborn 6 місяців тому

    The game soundtrack for me is real good especially when you and sonic team up in that scene the theme slaps

  • @germanname1990
    @germanname1990 Рік тому +1

    I remember there was this one person who told to Forces' admirerers, "Admit it, liars. You say you like the game. You just don't want to admit that you don't. There is nothing at all to like about this game." You know, it's unfortunate that there are many people out there who refuse to accept anything between a hundred percent and nothing. It's just as unfortunate that people compare Sonic Forces to every game in the Sonic series such as Sonic 2006 and will even go as far as to bash something if it has anything to do with Sonic Forces as you stated. With all that being said, I'm comforted whenever I see someone who has admiration for the game as they help prove to me that I'm not alone in having so much admiration for it.
    I understand Forces could've had more to offer. For instance, on the PS4, Xbox ONE, and Steam versions, you get a trophy for the Silver Moon Rings while on the Switch version you get nothing, at least apart from bonus points. It would've been nice if they had extra clothes for your avatar. Even so, for what it has, I honestly still enjoy it even now, more than five and a half years after its release. One of my favorite aspects of Sonic Forces is the custom character feature. It allows fans to not only create new characters, but it also allows fans to put their own fan characters into the game.
    Six months before Forces was released, over at DeviantArt, I adopted a red fox named Lisa, someone I had actually known for several years at that point. Lisa is known for her vibrant personality and her sunny smile. She's more than just a Sonic fan character. She's become like a spiritual sister to me, enjoying the good times with me such as an April 2022 Bon Jovi concert I went to and helping me get through bad times such as the pandemic. Just days after adopting her, I learned about Forces' custom character feature, and I instantly thought Lisa would be perfect to put into this game. Weeks after getting the game, I beat the final boss, and I was introduced to what is still my favorite song in the entire franchise, The Light of Hope. The first time I listened to it, I felt that song was written just for me. I had gone through some hard times yet somehow recovered. In addition, 2017 was one of the best years I ever had. Whenever I listen to this song, I envision Lisa singing this song to me. Lisa is indeed my Light of Hope.

  • @rory828
    @rory828 Місяць тому

    Your going on about how eggman built this stuff but ain’t complaining about a blue hedgehog who can talk and stands on two legs and runs at the speed of light

  • @TheJadeFist
    @TheJadeFist 5 місяців тому

    The Asteroid weapon is a little rapid fire pistol, it's great to use, it's special ability isn't all that useful though. But it shreds bosses so fast.

  • @Theneptuno
    @Theneptuno 12 днів тому

    Mega death egg robot Music goes hard!

  • @gloocey
    @gloocey Місяць тому +1

    They cant make me hate you sonic forces 😔

  • @aleks07games
    @aleks07games 20 днів тому +1

    I like classic sonic the most, the gameplay doesnt make me feel braindead

  • @Eagle-Mit-YT-Lucas
    @Eagle-Mit-YT-Lucas 10 місяців тому +2

    Probably The Reason We Cant Name The Avatars Is Because People Would Made Innapropriate Names

    • @Romanode_
      @Romanode_  10 місяців тому

      This is the way

    • @Eagle-Mit-YT-Lucas
      @Eagle-Mit-YT-Lucas 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Romanode_Unpopular Opinion I Really Loved Sonic Forces Classic Sonic Definitely Wasnt Needed I Wish We Could Have Played As Tails Instead

  • @l-kanal2770
    @l-kanal2770 Рік тому

    It was one of my first sonic games so i like it

  • @Sonic-Dx
    @Sonic-Dx 8 місяців тому

    17:25 Say what you want about forces but the main theme fist-bump slaps harder than my dads belt