Are Cheap Coilovers a Waste of Money? | Expensive Coilovers Worth it? | Miata MaXpeedingRods Review
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Is there a difference between $300 budget coilovers and $1500 expensive coilovers? Are expensive coilovers worth the $1200 difference? Are the cheap coilovers a waste of money?
MaXpeedingRods sent me a set of their entry level budget coilovers that retail for about $300. I install them on the supercharged widebody Miata to see if I can spot the difference and if the Meister R Clubrace coilovers were worth the $1200 difference in price! I know when it comes to coilovers things can get pricey really quick, but should you be wasting your time with cheap coilovers or is a more expensive set well worth the money?
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Durability is also a huge factor as are the materials used. Not all metal is created equal.
This can be very true. I haven't heard of any negative testimonials on the durability of materials for MaXpeedingRods but I'd imagine the shocks would go before the metal wears out. Unless you live where salt and snow is an issue.
@@HazardGarage would you recommend getting MST wheels
@@GamerTim3 They are very affordable and nice looking wheels with a wide range of specs. They are a bit heavy (relative to RPF1s or Gram Lights) but also no more heavy than most other aftermarket wheels so unless you are going for every performance gain, they should be awesome for most people! I would recommend depending on your needs.
In my area, the go to for cheap coilovers are RaceLands…the offer much more adjustability and they go for $400+ . They ride pretty good too.
racelands i have heard about. hows the ride height adjustment? can you get a decent drop without negative preload?
@@HazardGarage RaceLands will pretty much let you put your car on the ground. I've had them for about 5 years and although they are certainly not perfect for on-track performance, they are pretty comfy on the street and are decently responsive. They've made at least one new coilover set since I got mine and I can only imagine they are better.
@@Realjswan Comfy yet unsafe, I bought a set out of curiosity, the shocks are absolute trash, got them on the shock dyno and every shock had a 10% difference one from another and when they get hot it's even worse, the springs are kinda OK, but those shocks... Pretty much like having no shocks .
Very well said! coming from the guy that just bought the BC BR series for his 99…💪🏻
At a certain point, there's nothing wrong with stock. If they bottom out before using the already-limited rear travel on an NA, then I'd consider them to be parking spacers. They keep the keep the wheels from touching the fenders, but they're not suspension. But some guys really do buy Miatas for competitive parking, so if that's your game, it's probably better than cut stock springs purely due to adjustability.
agreed. The miata is a bit of a special case with its tiny nuances (like limited rear travel). So when modding, you have to pay even more attention to those small things. stock with some lowering springs can take most people a long way!
@@HazardGarage It's funny, Flyin Miata put out a video just minutes ago about getting more rear travel from an NA. Lol
@@JETZcorp they're listening! lol
i have these miester coils and they are perfect. i daily drive mine and on the way home i hit the canyon and they handle like a champ!!! best purchase ever.
I really liked them too! Felt great on the street and track!
Running the MeisterR ZetaCRD. I think it's just the club sport with softer springs. Love them.
Nice! the CRD stuff really helps with street comfort and track feel!
@@HazardGarage I'm curious... What level do you have your shocks at for street driving?
@@wibuwe I go full soft on the street and the ride is awesome. I've left them in track mode before and it was very bumpy.
CRD and Clubrace dampers are different length, valving, and have some external hardware differences.
@@WTGRacing thanks
This is an old thread, but I just got my latest Miata and I need to get the suspension upgraded. In my previous NA, I had installed a set of XIDA coil-over dampers and those were the absolute best of everything I trie before I tried Koni, Bilstein, stock and other brands of shock absorbers and various other spring combos with and without the threaded adjustment. The difference was immediate and orders of magnitude better and smoother handling and comfortable ride.
I hear that the Ohlin coil-over setups are very good too, they are priced similarly and they aren't cheap... I might try the Ohlin setup this and if its a good as the XIDA I'll be happy.
Technas came out about a year ago, they’re made by supermiata as well. They’re sweet for street coilovers if you don’t want to go all in on race shocks that require regular servicing.
another factor -if you're not track thrashing the MeisterR Sportive Coilovers would be a better comparison and at $600 would walk all over the Maxp units....... In fact for road I've heard that with a 1kg less front spring rate they make a better job than the CRD's on the street.. I'd also wager that unless you really understand chassis dynamics there could be a good case for buying factory matched springs/damper setting - even if it isn't so cool on your S/Media
thats definitely a good case.
and it seems counter intuitive to think OEM or a "less sporty" set up (like springs/shocks vs coilovers) could be a better set up. All that tech is in the shocks!
just discovered you from this video, gotta say man you put together a clean video subbed and can't wait to dive into the rest of your content. Also I drive a 17 MX5 RF Miata club!
Thanks and welcome! Miata RF is suuuchh a nice car. I want one. lol
@@HazardGarage It really is a great car! It feels like I'm flying down the road when I'm going 55 it's a hilariously fun car :D
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I don’t like wondering if I left performance on the table so I got the Xidas… $2700 ish after tax but now I know the damping isn’t holding me back
Yup, you definitely did not! But for some people they may never or cannot push their car to the level where XIDAs are necessary. That is where those mid range coilovers have their place.
100% agree, I had them before and might get them (or Ohlin's) for my "new" '91. The price is hard to swallow, but they are orders of magnitude better than the rest.
You said the better set you tested, where $1400. Those are cheap entery level coilovers. Really good coilovers kw, bilstein, ohlins, cusco, even good b.c. are 2 to 3k up to 5-6k. The eBay stuff and receland are normally for people who are concerned about look "it works and it gets you low".
Nice video! And what a Miata!!! perfect
Thank you!
You think you can get some L&Ts and do some real world testing on them? I've heard nothing but good stuff from the people that have used it. Kinda too good to be true for under 1000 bucks.
Tempted to use Maxspeeding Rods on my 240sx for track drift driving only, 2-4 times a year. Or just buy the Rev9 monotubes for double the price.
I am not sure how they are on the 240sx but a very miata specific issue is miatas have a suspension travel problem. Unfortunately Maxspeeding rods doesnt really address this.
I think I saw a video where someone tested the newer coilover shocks on a shock dyno and the maxpeeding rods wasnt terrible as you would expect. But if the 240sx is notorious for having certain suspension quirks, you might run into some issues on track.
Also, for how cheap they are, you could always try lol. But theres always the risk of doing it "twice"
@@HazardGarage Agreed. Pay once, avoid twice the work. Going to save the $ to buy the Rev9 monotube.
@@quocd5580 I would recommend Xidas over those.
So if you have to remove all the preload (Which is incredibly dangerous as the strut is not supported properly) then you are effectively reducing the spring compression rate below that of a standard setup which means increased suspension travel and body roll to the point the rears bottom out under extended loading such as long cornering. In other words these are not fit for purpose, they do not lower the car and they reduce the spring rate. This is a downgrade not an upgrade.
Removing/adding preload from a linear spring does not change its rate. Maxp suspension is still pretty terrible though lol
@@WTGRacing Apologies, let me clarify what i meant.. The spring rate of these is below that of a standard spring, therefore reducing the spring rate over the OEM. The lack of preload destabilises the strut.
I would like to know if u tested them on a track on canyon run, and if yes, how did they felt?
I did not get to test them on the race track. But did do some spirited driving. I can tell that the 1200 difference of the meisters is worth it.
The meisters have proper shock length and travel. Also the valving is much more suited and reliable.
The maxpeedingrods again are really just for budget street/looks.
If you are planning on doing any track, autocross or serious canyon running then meisters are worth it.
well i had maxspeedingrods on my mx5 when i bought it and they where awefull because they where old and bad
so i put bc racing br series coilovers on it and its so much better
its more comfortable and its better on track
interestingly someone took a maxspeeding rod shocks and dyno tested them, they actually were decent than what you'd expect. But I think the bigger issues lies in a quirk of the miata, which is suspension travel. the shocks on the maxspeedingrods were too long which caused the car to be higher than stock unless you took out all the preload but thats the wrong way to do it obviously.
glad you ended up getting suspension that you are more happier with!
Gotta say, I'm tempted by the price......
as long as you know what you're getting into, its definitely something to consider.
With that said, I think more expensive/quality coilovers are worth the money if you have it!
How do BC Racing BR compare to Miester coilovers
I think the advantage the Meisters had (at least the model I had on the miata) is that it has digressive valving. This means that on the street where bumps are small and very often, the shocks will be comfortable but on the track where the compression is more large and longer strokes, itll be nice and solid.
I think more comparable would be their BC Racing's DS line which says it has Digressive Valving.
I think its funny that they sent you them and they couldn't even be adjusted to drop below stock height 💀
nice company, supportive of the community and products have potential for the price range (another video someone through their shocks on a dyno and it actually was decent for the price) but yeah the shock length was a total miss.
is 12.5k front not really, really firm for a car as light as a miata? (Meister R)
Its on the firmer side for sure but it really wasn't too bad. The shocks did well on the street so it was annoying or bouncy. I actually found it surprisingly comfortable and I am not a young buck.
Were these the GT1 or zeta crd coils from meisterR?
These were the "Club Race" coilovers which I think they renamed to "Zeta Race"
can the rears get much lower than this?
not really on the MaxPeeding rods unless you take out all the preload but then youll be bottoming out the shocks.
You should be able to go lower with the Meisters but you still will hit a limit. That is why they make specialty coilovers for those who want to slam their cars.
You should see the maxsuckingrods on a dyno once... then you'll understand how shit they are, besides the awful valving, it also suffers a lot of stiction.
What coil overs u recommend
@@idln5598 depends on budget and how serious you take things.
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Both are cool
To adjust just the height can't you spin the bottom section of the shock where the lock ring is
yes normally you twist the whole bottom of the shock body to adjust height. But the MaXpeeding Rods bottomed out and was still higher than stock! So I had to take away preload to get a lower height but it is not ideal as this bottoms out your shock and creates wear and spring noises.
Wait $1400 coilovers are expensive 😂?
hell yeah they are! lol
But relative to like MCS coilovers or something? no they are not. 😅
@@HazardGarage my shitty fortune auto 510 was 2600 bucks. And it's subjectively worse than my OE 2nd gen brz shocks.
But I agree MCS can be good, if valved correctly
@@VinRZ 😨😨 I heard good things about Fortune Autos! (albeit never ran them before).
@HazardGarage I can't recommend it, knowing what I know.... ride quality is pretty trash, some clicks don't do anything and some clicks will be too stiff for both compression and rebound. Big 💩 for its money
@@VinRZ damn that sucks to hear!
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Lmao. $1500 coilovers are cheap coilovers. Buy some xidas and redo this video.
Xidas ARE cheap....when you compare them to Motons. 🤣🤣
But the point of the video was just trying to give insight into the "is it worth it" question.
I'd argue for many people, XIDAS are not worth it because they don't drive the car to the point where the XIDAS show their true benefit.
imagine someone wanting a car just to drive to the grocery store and someones trying to sell them a BMW M3 when a Prius is really all they need. Is the M3 a better car. Absolutely. But is it worth the premium for that person and their specific use/needs.
@@HazardGarage My dog didn’t let me drive him to adventures in the Miata til I swapped in long-travel Xidas (spring rates only ~3x OEM sport). Well worth the premium for the next-level composure on mountain b-roads and saving my relationship with my dog 🥹
What was the cost ?
100000 rubbles.@@chrissikora3359
what's your ride height measurement from pinch weld to the floor?