Are Trinitarians Idol Worshippers? Are Trinitarians "Saved"?

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  • @OneGodOneLord
    @OneGodOneLord Рік тому +11

    😬Thank you for being bold enough to make this video! You're "spot-on" I've been pondering this for a while.

  • @laura-loves-god
    @laura-loves-god Рік тому +9

    Thank you Bill, another good teaching. Just the phrase 'Son of God' says it all.

  • @wilmavanstaden1026
    @wilmavanstaden1026 Рік тому +4

    One of the best on this topic. The verses speak loud and clear. Thank you.

  • @tomraddatz
    @tomraddatz Рік тому +3

    Great coverage of the topic! If only the right people will “hear”!

  • @JacobSilverdal
    @JacobSilverdal Рік тому +4

    Great content as always. Thank you Bill!

  • @blaxlandma
    @blaxlandma Рік тому +4

    At some point YHWH removed the veil from my mind and eyes, allowing me to see the truth of what the scriptures were clearly saying! It is a work of YHWH to allow this to happen as Yeshua said to Peter.
    “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. Matt 16:15-17
    When it happens it’s a miracle, you can’t believe how could I have been so deceived!

    • @JudeOne3Four
      @JudeOne3Four Рік тому

      What's wrong with people? No such thing as yhwh or yeshua in Scripture AT ALL. I guess you don't know this stuff comes from the Kabbalah?

  • @weakthereforestrong5852
    @weakthereforestrong5852 Рік тому +1

    Whoa...one of the works being how they treat those who believe Jesus is the Messiah and man! Thanks for that. It's been a rough week of beat downs.

    • @billschlegel1
      @billschlegel1  11 місяців тому +1

      1 John 5:1. “Anyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a son of God. And anyone who loves the Father, loves the child “

    • @weakthereforestrong5852
      @weakthereforestrong5852 11 місяців тому

      @@billschlegel1 I'm about to preach this. 😁 social media time.. 😂

  • @helenlowder3424
    @helenlowder3424 Рік тому +9

    Amen

  • @tahquameken
    @tahquameken Рік тому +9

    You're right Bill, a lot of trinitarians sound like they wouldn't even accept Jesus as Lord unless he is God.

    • @kardiognostesministries8150
      @kardiognostesministries8150 Рік тому

      Because Jesus is Lord proves He is God (Romans 10:13; cf. Joel 3:5 LXX).

    • @tahquameken
      @tahquameken Рік тому +3

      @@kardiognostesministries8150 If you were correct about your proof verses, it would mean that Jesus is the Father, which is wrong.

    • @kardiognostesministries8150
      @kardiognostesministries8150 Рік тому

      @northoftoofar3772 You dodged Romans 10:13.
      Try again.

    • @kardiognostesministries8150
      @kardiognostesministries8150 Рік тому

      @@tahquameken No, because Romans 10:9 proves otherwise.
      Back to Romans 10:13.

    • @kardiognostesministries8150
      @kardiognostesministries8150 Рік тому

      @northoftoofar3772 Romans 10:13 was brought up FIRST. I know your heresy can't handle the truth that it teaches so you must jump somewhere else and even Acts 2:36 doesn't help you.
      Isaiah 63:14
      As the cattle which go down into the valley,
      The Spirit of the LORD gave them rest.
      So You led Your people,
      To make for Yourself a glorious name.
      Does this mean the name of the LORD wasn't great until this time ('MAKE for yourself a glorious name')?
      or
      Does it mean His name has ALWAYS been great, but the events that took place CONFIRMED His greatness?

  • @thomasbrisbane7122
    @thomasbrisbane7122 Рік тому +4

    Great video as usual. Jesus did say" And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." I condemn the doctrine, and those who teach it because the scriptures say so. But most Christians have no clue about doctrine....

  • @hommerecorder7003
    @hommerecorder7003 11 місяців тому

    Very good. ❤Shalom

  • @THEsotetoldal
    @THEsotetoldal Рік тому +1

    Right on, Bill. To love Christ is to keep his commendments. Simple and exhaustive. By prayer we acknowledge God as our creator (i.e. love your God, what does He want from you). Do we pray to the High Priest of God or to God?

  • @jeffreypogue2579
    @jeffreypogue2579 Рік тому +9

    I received Yeshua at a Crusade when I was 12 years old. At the time, I received him as my Lord and Saviour and there is no question I received Yah's spirit that night as a result of faith. Through childlike faith I was saved and the witness of Yah's spirit has been in my life ever since. It has been quite a journey all the way into churchianity and then all the way out and Yah's spirit has guided and empowered me the entire way. I don't judge anyone but I will say if anyone worships a God named Jesus, they probably don't know Yahweh the God of Israel or Yeshua the Messiah, the highly exalted human son of God who is both King and Master of all. Salvation happens as a result of repentance towards God and faith in Yeshua. If someone becomes a Christian by giving their life to a God named Jesus, I'm pretty certain that is deception not salvation.

    • @kardiognostesministries8150
      @kardiognostesministries8150 Рік тому

      Since the Bible teaches Jesus is the proper recipient of worship proves He is God.

    • @jeffreypogue2579
      @jeffreypogue2579 Рік тому +6

      @@kardiognostesministries8150 Listen to all the videos on this channel alone and if you are a truthseeker, you will return to Yahweh, the God of Israel. Your concept of worship is shaped by churchianity not Scripture. To worship is to bow before an authority. Yeshua the Messiah, the son of God has been granted all authority in heaven and on Earth and sits on the throne of David as King of Israel. He is very worthy of our love, obedience and worship!

    • @billschlegel1
      @billschlegel1  11 місяців тому

      Can we assume you have looked at the Greek and Hebrew words translated into English as “worship” and seen that nobody else in the Bible appropriately receives such attention? ​@@kardiognostesministries8150

    • @kardiognostesministries8150
      @kardiognostesministries8150 11 місяців тому

      @@jeffreypogue2579Worship includes prayer and since prayer is due unto God alone and Jesus properly receives prayer proves He is God.

    • @kardiognostesministries8150
      @kardiognostesministries8150 11 місяців тому

      @@billschlegel1 latreuō is due unto God "alone" (Luke 4:8) - so why is the Lord Jesus the proper recipient of latreuō?

  • @petromax4849
    @petromax4849 Рік тому +3

    I don't know, but I have a hard time thinking that Jesus would condemn anyone for metaphysical errors. That's the biggest problem I have with trinitarian theology: they insist that everyone must agree with their system to be saved.

    • @vaughnmadsen7966
      @vaughnmadsen7966 Рік тому +3

      Fair comment. Here's something to consider.
      The Bible is clear that if we aren't obeying Jesus's commands that God spoke through him we don't love him.....infact 1John 2 vs 3-6 clearly say we don't even know him and the truth is not in us.
      That's very strong language. I ask the trinitairian with respect......show me 1 command from Jesus that God is 3 persons.
      By holding to the doctrine of the trinity we are believing a different gospel and a different God. According to the Bible thats a big problem.

    • @petromax4849
      @petromax4849 Рік тому

      @@vaughnmadsen7966 I want to be careful about assuming what God would consider _different._ When I rejected trinitarianism, I had no sense of switching to belief in a different god. Instead, I felt like I was seeing God more clearly than before.
      Maybe there are some who are fully aware of the biblical portrayal of God as a person and consciously reject it. Not everyone is like that.

    • @vaughnmadsen7966
      @vaughnmadsen7966 Рік тому +3

      @petromax4849 sure I see where you are coming from. When I was a trinitairian looking back it was because that's what I had been bought up with and I didn't know there was other options. I also believed that becoming a Christian was simply asking Jesus into your heart. I didn't realize to be a Christian you must obey Jesus and live like he lived. When I finally got serious studying my Bible I saw how wrong my thinking was and really started to hunger for truth. Knowing the truth radically changed my life and my view of mainstream Christianity

    • @letstalkbiblewithshun.s
      @letstalkbiblewithshun.s 8 місяців тому

      Jesus gives one of the requirements for eternal life.👇
      John 17:3
      King James Version
      3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

  • @TheDoctrineDetectiveChannel
    @TheDoctrineDetectiveChannel Рік тому +4

    Shalom Bill. Great question and is one I have pondered for a while.
    I actually hold to a similar conclusion as you. Funnily enough many Trinitarian’s say we are not saved. Here’s what messiah Yeshua said “And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Yeshua Ha’Mashiach, whom you hast sent.” (John 17:3). For this reason I recognise that their salvation may not be secure as they do not know The Father as the only true God or Yeshua as the messiah he sent.
    However as you said, I agree it will likely be their works that may save them. Yeshua speaking “Not every one that saith unto me, master, master, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, master, master, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work lawlessness.” (Matthew 7:21-23)
    Throughout the New Testament knowing Yeshua and knowing יהוה his father is synonymous with keeping the commandments. “And here is how we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that says, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2:3-4). Therefore the few trinitarians who keep his commandments do know him in the sense they know him as they know that he kept his father’s Torah(instructions) and did not see them as burdensome.
    My last concern is with Revelation and mystery Babylon and it’s potential connection to the ‘Trinity doctrine’, however that is another discussion.

  • @jayd2670
    @jayd2670 Рік тому +3

    In my area there are no Unitarian churches. What are your thoughts of gathering at a church that has God has "a trinity" in their statement of faith? Since understanding God one, not three, I've not been able to gather in person because all the churches are Trinitarian.

    • @thomasbrisbane7122
      @thomasbrisbane7122 Рік тому +2

      I have the same problem where I live. I do at least have some oneness churches I can attend. Love their worship

    • @jayd2670
      @jayd2670 Рік тому

      @@thomasbrisbane7122 I've debated about worship at a trinitarian church but not sure. Most churches around me have the trinity in their top two statements of faith. Just not sure what to do besides tune in elsewhere online.

    • @thomasbrisbane7122
      @thomasbrisbane7122 Рік тому +1

      @@jayd2670In reality you can worship any because you have the Spirit of God in you and the truth. People are going to gravitate towards you because you are free.......It's only when you open your mouth( about doctrine)😬 that you will get in trouble. 😊

    • @jdaze1
      @jdaze1 Рік тому +1

      It's idolatry of the highest order. Why would you want to fellowship with idolaters?

    • @billschlegel1
      @billschlegel1  11 місяців тому +2

      I personally can't regularly attend a Trinitarian church. They wouldn't want me around for long either. On the other hand, I don't mind if my 14 year-old daughter goes to a Wednesday night meeting with her friends. First, because the activity is as much a "social - friends" activity for her age as anything else. Secondly, because it's OK if she hears the "majority" Christian claims and measures the claims by Scripture.
      You might try some online fellowships. Also, check the Unitarian Christian Alliance web page for possible like-minded believers nearby.

  • @rosemerrynmcmillan1611
    @rosemerrynmcmillan1611 Рік тому +1

    Such great teaching for Biblical Unitarians seeking to further their understanding on the One true God and Jesus Christ the Son of God and Messiah of Israel.

  • @Thewatchman303
    @Thewatchman303 Рік тому +1

    Spot on Bill.

    • @theguyver4934
      @theguyver4934 Рік тому

      Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
      The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
      So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
      Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )

  • @solascriptura373
    @solascriptura373 Рік тому +4

    *"That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved."* Romans 10:9
    God cannot die and be resurrected because he is immortal which is part of his essence. Therefore, Christ is perfect man who was resurrected by God and the awareness of this is the basis for our salvation.
    *"And the times of this ignorance God overlooked; but now commands all men everywhere to repent: 31 Because he has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; and of this he has given assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from the dead."* Acts 17

    • @josephgarrett3075
      @josephgarrett3075 Рік тому

      Friend, your comment shows that you're not aware of the teaching of the incarnation and that Jesus has two natures. Yes, God cannot die, but it was His human nature that died.
      Jesus is God & man

    • @solascriptura373
      @solascriptura373 Рік тому +3

      @@josephgarrett3075 I used to think like you, but it was wrong.
      *"I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen"* Revelation 1:18
      Christ was born on earth as man and that was his only nature, after dead and resurrection he received from God new immortal nature resembling that of the angels.
      *"Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep"* Hebrew 13:20
      Christ is called our brother and has God like we have God so he cannot be God at any time (Mattew 28:10, John 20:17)

    • @billschlegel1
      @billschlegel1  11 місяців тому +1

      @@josephgarrett3075 Hi Joseph, consider the possibility that the long-held "two-natures" claim makes Jesus into a non-binary liar.
      Jesus, were your created?
      God Jesus: "Of course not".
      Man Jesus: "Yes"
      The two natures claim also attempts to eliminate the human person Jesus of Nazareth by claiming that the person of Jesus is one member of an eternal god who merely "took on" flesh. No human person ever "came to be" or existed.

  • @kersten49
    @kersten49 Рік тому +1

    Can I make a suggestion on your words. Human and person are Roman Catholic terms. Bible teach us men/man or woman.

    • @billschlegel1
      @billschlegel1  11 місяців тому

      You make a good point. However, there is a sense in which we can use some of their own terminology to show them how wrong they are come. And ,there are words in Hebrew for the ideas of “self” and “person”.

  • @RalphHumphries-th1ym
    @RalphHumphries-th1ym 4 місяці тому

    Yeah that happens to trinitarians like i USE to be i read the Bible and missed the same thing and they use to teach me the doctrine of Trinity then one day realized i was blind in reading about one God and Jesus Christ the Messiah and saviour Christ

  • @readlesspraymore4686
    @readlesspraymore4686 Рік тому +3

    Definitely idolizers. There is no other explanation for their irrational devotion of a mysterious deity they can not ever know. Pride in their prudence.... Not of the humble unknowingness of children. They deny the Master's words including his 1st commandment..... They deny every aspect of fatherhood and sonship... concepts designed by the Father Himself.
    Edit: btw... I'm only speaking of the real zealous trinitarians who are well studied.

  • @4321grp
    @4321grp Рік тому +2

    Thank you Bill for having the courage to "tell it like it is", It's pretty clear in the scriptures that those who consistently break the commandments without repenting, especially the 1st and most important of the commandments, are at great risk of losing the opportunity for salvation; That's why the devil came up with the trinity teaching in the first place.
    If we believe in a false trinity god, then our love and obedience is deflected from the One True God to a non-existent god instead. Same thing happens when people worship idols instead of The True God.

  • @mikeoc217
    @mikeoc217 Рік тому

    They called me from Satan when I told them the Trinity is Pagan. I said read your Bible (not a Trinity specific like the KJ) but a standard bible. It's not anywhere in it.... 👹

  • @j7odnorof777
    @j7odnorof777 11 місяців тому

    Is *the" in "the Trinity" singular or plural? What is Jesus implying in Matthew 28:19?

  • @thatwhichhasbeen-isthatwhi6575

    Let's hold out hope for God's mercy upon all those genuine but deceived Trinitarians, while at the same time, throwing all those genuine but deceived Jehovah's Witnesses under the bus. Oh, how fickle many who profess the faith prove to be.
    Peace

    • @billschlegel1
      @billschlegel1  11 місяців тому

      Hi, it's difficult to cover all beliefs in one podcast! I didn't intend to throw one group under the bus, as opposed to another, if that's what you thought. :)

  • @c1arkj
    @c1arkj Рік тому +4

    Believing that Jesus is God also degrades God's promise of Messiah and Jesus' sacrifice to mankind.

  • @protector9513
    @protector9513 10 місяців тому

    Why did every church father affirm the Trinity?

  • @ElCineHefe
    @ElCineHefe Рік тому

    ABSOLUTELY.

  • @claudiozanella256
    @claudiozanella256 Рік тому +1

    The trinity is just a CONVENTIONAL doctrine based on some statements in the gospels.
    The bishops of Nicaea had to decide whether Jesus was God or just his Son. Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen the Father" "I am in the Father and the Father in me" and claimed to be the "King of heaven". The bishops thus decided that "Jesus must be as divine as the Father". But Jesus further said that a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is more serious that blasphemy against Himself. The bishops thought "no doubt, the Holy Spirit must also be a divine person". You thus get three "Gods". Since three "Gods" are not allowed because it would mean having polytheism, the bishops said "they appear to be three but actually they are ONE, we call it "mystery of the faith", for the common herd is more than enough". This is how that bogus theory was issued by the councils. The error in all that is the bishops didn't realize that the "Spirit of God" (the Holy Spirit) simply is "God who is a spirit" (Jn.4:24) i.e. once again a manifestation of the same God, not a third divine person. Indeed you can see in the gospels that no third divine person exists with Father and Son: the Holy Spirit is again the Father.

  • @franklicary3407
    @franklicary3407 Рік тому +3

    GodtheFather + GodtheSon +GodtheHolySpirit +JesustheGodMan +the TriuneGod = 5 gods

  • @RalphHumphries-th1ym
    @RalphHumphries-th1ym 9 днів тому

    Thanks Bill, yeah that's what I'm grateful for the Bible explains the Father is the only true God and Jesus Christ his Son, not 2 Yehwehs that's crazy, the Son of God the Father gave us and Jesus said that he was the Son and not God

  • @Stefan-t3k
    @Stefan-t3k Рік тому

    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
    John 17:3
    If you do not know the only true God and also not know (the human) Jesus Christ, then you do not have eternal life.
    Plain and simple
    God bless

  • @MichaelTheophilus906
    @MichaelTheophilus906 Рік тому +1

    Depart from me. I never knew you. I think trinitarian teachers will hear those words.

    • @Stefan-t3k
      @Stefan-t3k Рік тому +1

      everyone who believes it

  • @Andy-u9x
    @Andy-u9x 3 місяці тому

    Yeshua is Lord and judge over man made by his Father THEE LORD and JUDGE!... lets not diminish the Son of God

  • @stevenniesielowski
    @stevenniesielowski 4 місяці тому

    The Blessed LORD said
    Revelation 3:14
    That HE was the beginning of GOD'S creation 🙏
    Sadly alot of Christians do not know the history of Nicaea that brought forth the biggest False christ of all
    The christ of the Trinity
    This is a false doctrine
    The Blessed SON of GOD warned that many false christ would come and deceive many !

  • @jdaze1
    @jdaze1 Рік тому

    I even i am YHWH besides ME there is NO SAVIOR. Isaiah 43:11.
    Worshipping ANY MAN as God Almighty is an abomination of the highest order.
    1st commandment.

    • @richardacosta1711
      @richardacosta1711 11 місяців тому

      I myself have never believed in the Trinity! As I see it Jesus is the Father manifested in human flesh!