@@nataliaolexa8984 going through many different forms of scattered data from thousands of years ago, studying it near objectively and taking out conclusions that fit man as he is now, observing your patients, finding the connections, is that closer to genius than taking what the man who did all that and just repeating it is genius?
yes she was! her books are completely fascinating! it is good to point that she was very rigid on an emotional side and she had a problem finding herself in a social situations where she was not a center of an attention; this is not too belittle her! but it points to a phenomenon of a genious. She was in all of thet very lovely and humaine
Looking into her eyes I see for the first time that she looks to be like à queen standing on the outside of right and wrong as it is known she seems to judge her words carefully as not to be taken out of context! I hope one day that I will find find my footing on the outside to
Read *A Course In Miracles* if you like depth psychology and want to approach what is love (for it has no ending being no object); it's author is ... drumroll ... Jesus Christ. I kid you not. "Better" psychology than even Jung .... You'll love it. Approach, if it is your will.
@@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858 Course in Miracles is altered information, so please re*mind yourself to toss it aside and look out for truer, more pure things when it served its purpose to you. The first "human-transcending" question is, will you benefit from fear or will you serve in love? Before answering this question fully and finally for yourself, you'll be lukewarm only and therefore, stuck, or as someone else said some time ago, "i will spit them out". You might already know and love that song "All is full of love" from Björk, but if not, you might want to listen to it! I thought of it, thinking of you wanting "better" psychology while mentally observing emotions, but both being included in what psychology actually is. Decide, if it is your will to decide. ⭐
Aside from her insightful genius on the human experience... I love her because she keeps her loyal companion (bulldog) at her side during the interview and she wears two watches.❤❤❤
“Feminism has driven women to their animus, into a compensatory behaviour. Imitating men, behaving in brutal, animus-like ways because they have no self-assurance within their own femininity. Jung was really struck when he was in Southern India, which is matriarchal in their basic structure. The women are beautiful, full of dignity going around in their saris. There, it’s a bit too much on the other side. In every big family, the grandmother sits at the top of the table, and rules the whole thing. There, the women are proud of themselves, and bare themselves beautifully. And with us, you have to try to be as much as possible a man to be halfway recognized. The only thing to do is to get the animus out of the way and the rest comes by itself. Then femininity recovers by itself in a natural way.” - Marie-Louise von Franz, Remember Jung, 1977
It is easier for women to achieve in India. The US males do their best to hide their contempt and denigrate women so that they can have naive playmates within reach. Why would women not begin to develop the masculine side of their brains that give themselves logic instead of maintaining the complacency of sweetness for men and society at large? Growup women detest having sex with men that they cannot respect or love. But worry not, you men...go find a compliant little girl that has Daddy issues.
She is absolutely correct. Feelings are fearful to many, if not most humans. The human nature is to avoid at all costs. Relationships thrive with emotional vulnerability. Without honest sharing of feelings and emotions, there will be no intimacy or true love in any personal partnership. Therefore, the search for love and acceptance continues for many. Vulnerability is difficult for everyone, yet it can be learned. Those who desire to repair a former commitment made to their lover can make it happen.
The whole hooking up culture thing is because people want the fantasy they think hooking up will bring but without the cost of emotional vulnerability. They don’t want to do the scary thing of showing their actual self and so risk rejection. It’s a shallow exchange of two people believing using each other is not usage, but it isn’t any different than masturbating by oneself. They just found another human to masturbate with, and that still is completely rooted in SELF and not real sharing and real vulnerability.
Broke up with a partner not that long ago (avoidant) and had to explain the difference between transparency vs. vulnerability and how the lack of latter will always gate the depth of the relationship. Transparency is when people share what happened to them (event) rather what it meant and how it impacted them (reaction and continued enaction). People tend to confuse them a lot!
@ The beloved never can be sure, does he love me or is it only my beauty he loves? When beauty fades will he still love me? Love is an experience of the lover. I am sure that I love my wife and that my wife loves me, but the experience is for the lover to have and sometimes the beloved never know they are loved by another. I dream that I love another but never that I am loved by another.
@carlharmeling512, I agree that love is only experienced by the lover. However, there are certain behavioural clues displayed by others that can help us to determine whether they truly love us or not. A person who truly loves another behaves a certain way, and behaves that way consistently. There are no wild fluctuations in their conduct based on whim and fancy, but rather an enduring respectfulness and devotion that is long-lasting by nature - similar to what you and your wife experience together, I'm sure.
This is true,feeling and sensing the uniqueness of another person without cliques, love for the genuine. Beyond the sweet or polite. A very mature and deeply thought out adult love. Beautiful,quotes of Jung and references to zen.
What is REAL? Real isn't how you are made It's a thing that happens to you When a child loves you for a long, long time, not just to play with but REALLY loves you, then you become Real. Does it hurt? Sometimes... When you are real you don't mind being hurt. Does it happen all at once [...], or bit by bit? It doesnt happen all at once. You become. It takes a long time. Generally, by the time you are real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand. Once you are Real you can't become unreal again Taken from Margery Williams': The Velveteen Rabbit
Wow that real cracked open something in me. She sounds just like Jung. Few words but profound messaging. Thank you for posting. I really appreciate this message.
Not easy to apply what she said, it will take also a genuine sincere bold and toughness to one self of therapist to him/herself before do that to the patients
I don’t know, but she did write a book called number and time. If she is wearing two watches it is kinda of poetically appropriate considering her interests.
I think she was writing a very complex book about Time And Space, and as I heard about her from my analyst Chuck Schwartz who was analysed and supervised/trained by her, she was somehow continuing Jung’s work with the physicist and Nobel Prize winner Wolfgang Pauli. Stab in the dark. Maybe one was broken and she didn’t want to forget taking it in the to watch menders later!
@@jozseflaszlo7445 wellcord.org/the-way-of-the-dream/the-way-of-the-dream/ I found it here recently :) Occasionally a wonderful human puts it up on UA-cam, but it seems to get taken down soon after.
As a self described blue ray starseed I had to push though years of Narcissistic military people in my family, after I got some of them in check, I married a severe BPD, my current wife, after twenty years of abuse I got her in check, another eight years abuse by narcissistic petty tyrant bosses in relatavely high level corporate world, got them in check. Now I’m chilling waiting for a new adventure, for whatever reason I’m looking for friction with the global subconscious, not getting scared and am getting a kick out of it. Again not sure what’s next but I might be done with the abusers in my life, bosses, colonel parents, wife, all in check, they all saw what they have done. The key was to have them empathize to your emotional trauma. Narcissists communicate via internal archetypes of people in their head, very inflexible. For example Matt is clumsy, Beth is stupid, etc. they create internal archetypes of people , when they talk to you they actually refer to their twisted representation of you in their head. It’s incredibly rigid, my advice, have them understand that they hurt you, at some point when they see it they can’t unsee it, it’s just gonna take twenty years of everyday work and abuse.I never left anyone of my abusive relationships because I have a calling for this shit. Upside is that if you are in the 1% and push through, I recommend people actually leave this relationship, for most the fight is not worth it, the recovered BPD will have mad respect for you, after all is done they will see you for what you are and realize they abused you and the dirty games the played and they will be deeply sorry, make them say sorry verbally multiple times over the years, at first they won’t say it, than they will say it but not believe it, and when they see it, that’s the best feeling in the world, their eye sight changes, they don’t have the reptile abusive stare no more. Last advise and prolly most important, absolutely make sure that you both agree that they are abusers. It’s not easy to have a narcissist agree to that, but when they do, start bringing it up, they will explode and hate that you call them abusers, than you revert to previous agreement remind them that you were hurt and they are the abusers, drive them crazy with this point until tenor motherboard can’t take it.Thousand repetitions of this get the point across, deliver don’t zingers that hit to the bottom of the soul for reflective purposes, be in-tuned to the fear of your partner and their patterns, make it a full time job
Being whole allows deep self understanding and self accountability. Therefore, unless we can achieve/accept both, commitment to a partner - which completes the Wholeness is out of reach. As a female I believe that one cannot be whole unless we can merge with one's animus - which is to unify the masculine side of ourselves into our female identity. (the opposite occurs for males) I've always believed that we originate from a woman and a man. Therefore, it makes sense that we all have components of both females and male. Furthermore, in biology, I learned that all babies begin as females, and then males differentiate further into male beings. The ongoing search for a fit partner seems to be the dominant force in life. It's either fulfilling the sexual drive...or the desire for Wholeness. The difficulty is that without deep self understanding, long-term relationships cannot be maintained.
"in biology, I learned that all babies begin as females, and then males differentiate further into male beings" Wrong. Some man made that up to make it sound like males are more highly evolved than females. Females have XX chromosomes and males have XY chromosomes. That is determined at conception and doesn't change later.
I can’t believe she picked that situation or Elon is literally forcing himself on her over and over again. Why would anyone do this I don’t understand. I am so confused if anyone out theee help me to help her or just help her
We no longer seek these things once we have found them. Romantic love is one of the tried and true avenues to human completion. Perhaps this question comes from a place of avoidance from something that you yourself very much require to be whole. Take this with a grain of salt... but it's useful salt sometimes.
I would be interested if she defines it also as love, if you see and love the uniqueness of a person but still don't want to be together with him or her.
MLVF was a bonified psychological genius. God bless her soul.
Nothing she said is anything you can't get out of Jung. I don't understand how this makes you think she's a genius.
@@98bartlomiej I know. Please use your brain a little more and see the difference in those two things.
@@NoUsernamae wow you are something
@@nataliaolexa8984 going through many different forms of scattered data from thousands of years ago, studying it near objectively and taking out conclusions that fit man as he is now, observing your patients, finding the connections, is that closer to genius than taking what the man who did all that and just repeating it is genius?
yes she was! her books are completely fascinating! it is good to point that she was very rigid on an emotional side and she had a problem finding herself in a social situations where she was not a center of an attention; this is not too belittle her! but it points to a phenomenon of a genious. She was in all of thet very lovely and humaine
Liberation of the heart: capacity to display truth, honesty, sincerity, authenticity, uniqueness.
Four and a half minutes of the most meaningful psychology I've heard in years.
Hear that. Not a ' Sweetie pie, strawberry sauce Love.' Fantastic!
One of the loveliest descriptions of love... And that's a neat feat. I love this women for her individuality.
Looking into her eyes I see for the first time that she looks to be like à queen standing on the outside of right and wrong as it is known she seems to judge her words carefully as not to be taken out of context! I hope one day that I will find find my footing on the outside to
Read *A Course In Miracles* if you like depth psychology and want to approach what is love (for it has no ending being no object); it's author is ... drumroll ... Jesus Christ. I kid you not. "Better" psychology than even Jung .... You'll love it. Approach, if it is your will.
@@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858 Course in Miracles is altered information, so please re*mind yourself to toss it aside and look out for truer, more pure things when it served its purpose to you. The first "human-transcending" question is, will you benefit from fear or will you serve in love? Before answering this question fully and finally for yourself, you'll be lukewarm only and therefore, stuck, or as someone else said some time ago, "i will spit them out".
You might already know and love that song "All is full of love" from Björk, but if not, you might want to listen to it! I thought of it, thinking of you wanting "better" psychology while mentally observing emotions, but both being included in what psychology actually is.
Decide, if it is your will to decide. ⭐
Aside from her insightful genius on the human experience... I love her because she keeps her loyal companion (bulldog) at her side during the interview and she wears two watches.❤❤❤
💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕Unconditional Love 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕
“Feminism has driven women to their animus, into a compensatory behaviour. Imitating men, behaving in brutal, animus-like ways because they have no self-assurance within their own femininity.
Jung was really struck when he was in Southern India, which is matriarchal in their basic structure. The women are beautiful, full of dignity going around in their saris. There, it’s a bit too much on the other side. In every big family, the grandmother sits at the top of the table, and rules the whole thing. There, the women are proud of themselves, and bare themselves beautifully.
And with us, you have to try to be as much as possible a man to be halfway recognized. The only thing to do is to get the animus out of the way and the rest comes by itself. Then femininity recovers by itself in a natural way.” - Marie-Louise von Franz, Remember Jung, 1977
Really interesting
Unfortunately, the US has more Misogynistic men than those who truly love, appreciate and understand women.
maybe 50 years ago, now the indian woman are as damaged as averybody else
Tell that to modern feminist
It is easier for women to achieve in India. The US males do their best to hide their contempt and denigrate women so that they can have naive playmates within reach. Why would women not begin to develop the masculine side of their brains that
give themselves logic instead of maintaining the complacency of sweetness for men and society at large?
Growup women detest having sex with men that they cannot respect or love. But worry not, you men...go find a compliant little girl that has Daddy issues.
Yay for loving another enough to let them be real
And for letting them be real so you can love them.
She’s a legend!!
She is absolutely correct. Feelings are fearful to many, if not most humans. The human nature is to avoid at all costs. Relationships thrive with emotional vulnerability. Without honest sharing of feelings and emotions, there will be no intimacy or true love in any personal partnership. Therefore, the search for love and acceptance continues for many. Vulnerability is difficult for everyone,
yet it can be learned. Those who desire to repair a former commitment made to their lover can make it happen.
The whole hooking up culture thing is because people want the fantasy they think hooking up will bring but without the cost of emotional vulnerability. They don’t want to do the scary thing of showing their actual self and so risk rejection. It’s a shallow exchange of two people believing using each other is not usage, but it isn’t any different than masturbating by oneself. They just found another human to masturbate with, and that still is completely rooted in SELF and not real sharing and real vulnerability.
Broke up with a partner not that long ago (avoidant) and had to explain the difference between transparency vs. vulnerability and how the lack of latter will always gate the depth of the relationship. Transparency is when people share what happened to them (event) rather what it meant and how it impacted them (reaction and continued enaction). People tend to confuse them a lot!
wow she hit the nail on the head Bravo 👏
Love is only experienced by the lover. The beloved know it not.
A couple can switch back and forth from lover to beloved maybe.
@ The beloved never can be sure, does he love me or is it only my beauty he loves? When beauty fades will he still love me? Love is an experience of the lover. I am sure that I love my wife and that my wife loves me, but the experience is for the lover to have and sometimes the beloved never know they are loved by another. I dream that I love another but never that I am loved by another.
@ Hmm I dream mostly to be loved lol. But I’m a woman so maybe that’s why.
@ Self love is the most important thing of all.
@carlharmeling512, I agree that love is only experienced by the lover. However, there are certain behavioural clues displayed by others that can help us to determine whether they truly love us or not. A person who truly loves another behaves a certain way, and behaves that way consistently. There are no wild fluctuations in their conduct based on whim and fancy, but rather an enduring respectfulness and devotion that is long-lasting by nature - similar to what you and your wife experience together, I'm sure.
Be yourself.. everyone else is taken..
MLVF a heroine of our time ..
Though like Jung, no one really listened to her sadly or perhaps understood without projection
Beautifully said 🎉
Wow, amazingly articulated. 🙏 ♥
Truly the best description of real love.
Brilliant synopsis, Brilliant intellect, succinct, ...refreshing honesty...respect
This is true,feeling and sensing the uniqueness of another person without cliques, love for the genuine. Beyond the sweet or polite. A very mature and deeply thought out adult love. Beautiful,quotes of Jung and references to zen.
What is REAL?
Real isn't how you are made
It's a thing that happens to you
When a child loves you for a long, long time, not just to play with but REALLY loves you, then you become Real.
Does it hurt?
Sometimes... When you are real you don't mind being hurt.
Does it happen all at once [...], or bit by bit?
It doesnt happen all at once.
You become. It takes a long time.
Generally, by the time you are real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby.
But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand.
Once you are Real you can't become unreal again
Taken from Margery Williams':
The Velveteen Rabbit
Far-out great interview.
Thankyou so much for sharing your clip.x
Wow that real cracked open something in me. She sounds just like Jung. Few words but profound messaging. Thank you for posting. I really appreciate this message.
Beautiful upload keep it up
Excelent! So for our days.
Thanks 🌿💚💚💕🌹💋💋❤️❤️
Profound
Thank you
Epic. ❤
Proper quality content 👌
what books discuss the particulars of this discussion?
Strawberry sauce love😂😂😂😂😂
Not easy to apply what she said, it will take also a genuine sincere bold and toughness to one self of therapist to him/herself before do that to the patients
❤
Is she wearing 2 watches? One around her left and one around her right wrist?
I don’t know, but she did write a book called number and time. If she is wearing two watches it is kinda of poetically appropriate considering her interests.
Yup she is crazy
That dog though 🐶 the real shining star of this interview
Bonus points to anyone who can tell me the name of the dog.
Nibby
your mom..
Why she wears two watches?
Flexing the wrist
Swag
Yes I did notice that Pranit.. I doubt it was vanity.. Would love to know the reason.
I think she was writing a very complex book about Time And Space, and as I heard about her from my analyst Chuck Schwartz who was analysed and supervised/trained by her, she was somehow continuing Jung’s work with the physicist and Nobel Prize winner Wolfgang Pauli. Stab in the dark. Maybe one was broken and she didn’t want to forget taking it in the to watch menders later!
Same.
Maybe she doesn't want to have to turn her head 🤔
during the interview?
Maybe she doesn't want to be rude?
what is this full interview called? I'd like to watch it all, I searched on your channel but there are only many parts of it :(
The Way of the Dream, it's almost a ten-hour-long series ...
@@Leiraen that's awesome! thank you very much
@@jozseflaszlo7445 I just found out about it today, so I'm looking for the whole thing too, haha..
@@Leiraen hey, where did you find it? I can't seem to find it here on youtube
@@jozseflaszlo7445 wellcord.org/the-way-of-the-dream/the-way-of-the-dream/ I found it here recently :) Occasionally a wonderful human puts it up on UA-cam, but it seems to get taken down soon after.
She's wearing a watch on both wrists.
I think you’re right. Interesting.
She really wants to know the time.
As a self described blue ray starseed I had to push though years of Narcissistic military people in my family, after I got some of them in check, I married a severe BPD, my current wife, after twenty years of abuse I got her in check, another eight years abuse by narcissistic petty tyrant bosses in relatavely high level corporate world, got them in check. Now I’m chilling waiting for a new adventure, for whatever reason I’m looking for friction with the global subconscious, not getting scared and am getting a kick out of it. Again not sure what’s next but I might be done with the abusers in my life, bosses, colonel parents, wife, all in check, they all saw what they have done. The key was to have them empathize to your emotional trauma. Narcissists communicate via internal archetypes of people in their head, very inflexible. For example Matt is clumsy, Beth is stupid, etc. they create internal archetypes of people , when they talk to you they actually refer to their twisted representation of you in their head. It’s incredibly rigid, my advice, have them understand that they hurt you, at some point when they see it they can’t unsee it, it’s just gonna take twenty years of everyday work and abuse.I never left anyone of my abusive relationships because I have a calling for this shit. Upside is that if you are in the 1% and push through, I recommend people actually leave this relationship, for most the fight is not worth it, the recovered BPD will have mad respect for you, after all is done they will see you for what you are and realize they abused you and the dirty games the played and they will be deeply sorry, make them say sorry verbally multiple times over the years, at first they won’t say it, than they will say it but not believe it, and when they see it, that’s the best feeling in the world, their eye sight changes, they don’t have the reptile abusive stare no more.
Last advise and prolly most important, absolutely make sure that you both agree that they are abusers. It’s not easy to have a narcissist agree to that, but when they do, start bringing it up, they will explode and hate that you call them abusers, than you revert to previous agreement remind them that you were hurt and they are the abusers, drive them crazy with this point until tenor motherboard can’t take it.Thousand repetitions of this get the point across, deliver don’t zingers that hit to the bottom of the soul for reflective purposes, be in-tuned to the fear of your partner and their patterns, make it a full time job
OMG She really rocks😮
what defines the nature of people then ?
I like her speech as well as her dress....:).
1:53 lazy gossipers ;)
I’m unsure what she says after 80% of what they say is ________. Sounds German. Did anyone catch it?
:)
even mlvf can't explain why love makes you whole
Being whole allows deep self understanding and self accountability. Therefore, unless we can achieve/accept both, commitment to a partner - which completes the Wholeness is out of reach.
As a female I believe that one cannot be whole unless we can merge with one's animus - which is to unify the masculine side of ourselves into our female identity. (the opposite occurs for males)
I've always believed that we originate from a woman and a man. Therefore, it makes sense that we all have components of both females and male. Furthermore, in biology, I learned that all babies begin as females, and then males differentiate further into male beings.
The ongoing search for a fit partner seems to be the dominant force in life. It's either fulfilling the sexual drive...or the desire for Wholeness. The difficulty is that without deep self understanding, long-term relationships cannot be maintained.
@@kirstinstrand6292 the question is what is wrong with us that we cannot be whole without the other one
@@nataliaolexa8984 nothing is wrong. You are a social being. You need others to make sense of self
"in biology, I learned that all babies begin as females, and then males differentiate further into male beings"
Wrong. Some man made that up to make it sound like males are more highly evolved than females. Females have XX chromosomes and males have XY chromosomes. That is determined at conception and doesn't change later.
the lady has a watch on each wrist lol
I can’t believe she picked that situation or Elon is literally forcing himself on her over and over again. Why would anyone do this I don’t understand. I am so confused if anyone out theee help me to help her or just help her
At what point is the human so complete it no longer seek romantic love or even sexual?
Well once you can behave yourself
Sex is good. Genuine love will embrace this experience, too; why reject it if it is healthy and fit?
We no longer seek these things once we have found them. Romantic love is one of the tried and true avenues to human completion. Perhaps this question comes from a place of avoidance from something that you yourself very much require to be whole. Take this with a grain of salt... but it's useful salt sometimes.
I would be interested if she defines it also as love, if you see and love the uniqueness of a person but still don't want to be together with him or her.
The aquatic plywood synchronously scratch because creature acutely empty minus a giant twilight. vigorous, depressed billboard
Cliche is good, cliche is healthy, it protects you.