I've said/written this many times before and I'll do it again- I often think about Kurt getting away, using those two mysterious plane tickets he bought, flying out of Seattle with Kristen. The divorce would go through, he could get custody of Frances, and then as time went by he could become the rock Johnny Cash that he had talked about. Kristen could be with the people & band where she was happy and healthy. And as for Frances, she would have a lovely stepmom.
@@scottcharney1091 I agree with you...Kurt was trying to get away and so was Kristen. Then, they were both ambushed in my opinion just months apart. I don't believe that Kurt killed himself for one minute and I think Kristen was given a hot dose by you know who...
@@Amalia-no7xt Even if it wasn't a hot dose, Erlandson brought heroin to a person in recovery, who had been clean for months. He had personal, firsthand knowledge of what was almost sure to happen. Opiate addiction is absolutely ferocious; a relapse ("one more for the road") was almost assured. Even if Kristen requested it, he knew better. Note that this is the most generous explanation. It gets worse if CL was involved, *hoping* that Kristen would relapse, worse still if Kristen didn't request it, and even worse if the heroin was in fact spiked. In fact, if nothing else, Courtney's abusive behavior towards Kristen is a matter of public record. Some people suggest that all of this is robbing Kristen of her agency. I don't agree. Kristen was getting away from Courtney, Seattle, Hole, a bunch of other bad characters, and above all, heroin. It's true that nobody made her inject; she made a huge mistake at the worst possible time, but it seems hard to believe that she did it all on her own, considering what we know. The two deaths make me sad and angry. I want to listen to Live Through This, in part to honor Kristen's finest musical hour, but I don't want to listen to CL & EE. The same goes for the "Miss World" video, the one song she's on from "My Body The Hand Grenade," and the live material from her time in the band.
She deserved to live making excellent music, certainly as she aged her tastes would have evolved creating even better music! Can't imagine how good her and Kurt's music might have been! A tragic loss!
I was listening to some of her bass tracks from back in the "Hole" days, she really had a good feel for her instrument and was a solid rock musician! I know she played piano as well, and perhaps that made her tracks more melodic. She'd only be in her early 50's if she were still with us, how tradgic. Well, I'm glad she left us a small part of her to enjoy.
She was so good looking so beautiful it makes me sad what happened to her but Kristen Pfaff will always be remembered let's face it she died in the good years of music the '90s
If she had not followed her father's advice to join up with Hole, she maynot have turned to heroin and still be alive. Very sad how she died at such a young age.
Her dad probably had no idea just what Hole and the scene around them were getting into, it's not fair to blame him. He wanted what was best for his daughter professionally.
It seems Kristen was the type of musician who would play with many artist, because her musical talent was adventurous...joining Hole was just part of that venture 🌼 sad her path got cut short from being caught up in 'the scene'
live through this was already being written before she even joined. 'violet,' 'doll parts,' and etc. she did make the "i've made my bed, i'll lie in it" chorus in miss world though. courtney wrote a majority of the songs, more than anybody else couldve. but you could tell that kurt definitely had an influence on her lyrics. that doesnt mean he wrote them, he only inspired her. but they were a musical couple, they probably did help with each others lyrics. but dont say that kristen came up with them, she probably came up with the bass parts. courtney was good at making a riff, just because you dont like her doesnt mean that it was bad.
No way! This is instrumental rock. I wish it would've gone more mainstream. Check out Explosions in the sky, Mono, or Mogwai sometime. I even played in an instrumental rock band at one point.
Two words. Courtney Love. No record of a toxicology report for a death ruled to be by a drug overdose. Courtney's close friend Dr. Hawthorne performed both Kristen's and Kurts autopsy. Many pages from the week of Kurts death in Kristen's diary were ripped out. Courtney Love was quoted saying she had to get Kristen's boyfriend away from the body at the scene but it was Paul Erickson who discovered the body and Courtney was not at the scene. Kristen had just completed rehab and was leaving hole to go back to her old band. Courtney Love believed Kurt and Kristin were having an affair. Kristen died 3 months after Kurt Cobain died. Hmmmmmmmm.
She had actually already left Hole and just went back to Seattle to get her stuff. Her Uhaul was there and everything...The only person that is reported to come visit her was Erik and I believe he was the one who gave her the drugs...she had been clean for months.
@@Amalia-no7xt Kristen still craved the dope...she probably called the one person SHE KNEW would have it. Unfortunately she didn't just stay off the shite...she may still be alive today?? I am sure Kristen never thought it would be the last 'dose' of her life. Sad. As for erlandson...you know HE KNOWS 🥀 He carries that info daily.
Not from Janitor Joe. Palm was a new side project trio Kristen was forming in Minneapolis sometime between 1992-1994 (with mastermind guitarist of the Minnesota indie-rock band Muskellunge) and drummer (?). She was intending on singing as well as playing bass. These two songs are from 4-track cassette and they are the instrumental versions (however I have the vocal versions somewhere). Because this Palm material never surfaced, I can only assume Kristen was the only one with the tapes in her possession (inherited by her brother Jason, who did some light mastering to brighten these recordings). These demos are not for sale and for streaming only. Copyright. 1994. Palm. Directly taken from the Palm soundcloud account (linked in description) which used to be managed by her family. It's not fake.
This sounds like she was working with him on this one. Its got his signature sound. Probably still burns Courtney, good. Im glad from heaven they have made her and Billys love life a nightmare, that or karma
Beautiful, talented. It's reported Kurt Cobain said of Kristen Pfaff she had a beautiful soul.
Such a raven haired beauty man I truly wished things turned out differently...
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I've said/written this many times before and I'll do it again- I often think about Kurt getting away, using those two mysterious plane tickets he bought, flying out of Seattle with Kristen. The divorce would go through, he could get custody of Frances, and then as time went by he could become the rock Johnny Cash that he had talked about. Kristen could be with the people & band where she was happy and healthy. And as for Frances, she would have a lovely stepmom.
@@scottcharney1091 I agree with you...Kurt was trying to get away and so was Kristen. Then, they were both ambushed in my opinion just months apart. I don't believe that Kurt killed himself for one minute and I think Kristen was given a hot dose by you know who...
@@Amalia-no7xt Even if it wasn't a hot dose, Erlandson brought heroin to a person in recovery, who had been clean for months. He had personal, firsthand knowledge of what was almost sure to happen. Opiate addiction is absolutely ferocious; a relapse ("one more for the road") was almost assured. Even if Kristen requested it, he knew better. Note that this is the most generous explanation. It gets worse if CL was involved, *hoping* that Kristen would relapse, worse still if Kristen didn't request it, and even worse if the heroin was in fact spiked.
In fact, if nothing else, Courtney's abusive behavior towards Kristen is a matter of public record. Some people suggest that all of this is robbing Kristen of her agency. I don't agree. Kristen was getting away from Courtney, Seattle, Hole, a bunch of other bad characters, and above all, heroin. It's true that nobody made her inject; she made a huge mistake at the worst possible time, but it seems hard to believe that she did it all on her own, considering what we know.
The two deaths make me sad and angry. I want to listen to Live Through This, in part to honor Kristen's finest musical hour, but I don't want to listen to CL & EE. The same goes for the "Miss World" video, the one song she's on from "My Body The Hand Grenade," and the live material from her time in the band.
She was extremely talented. Such a sad loss. R.I.P Kristen.❤️🎶
05/26/21:Just a simple HAPPY BIRTHDAY to KRISTEN(54),a lovely,beautiful and talented woman.💝💞💕💖
She deserved to live making excellent music, certainly as she aged her tastes would have evolved creating even better music! Can't imagine how good her and Kurt's music might have been! A tragic loss!
She was a great musician!
Kristen sure did have a lot of talent , I have never met this woman she sure was beautiful RIP, Kristen.
I was listening to some of her bass tracks from back in the "Hole" days, she really had a good feel for her instrument and was a solid rock musician! I know she played piano as well, and perhaps that made her tracks more melodic. She'd only be in her early 50's if she were still with us, how tradgic. Well, I'm glad she left us a small part of her to enjoy.
She was so good looking so beautiful it makes me sad what happened to her but Kristen Pfaff will always be remembered let's face it she died in the good years of music the '90s
If she were ugly, would her loss be less profound? I'm asking only because she can't, but in her lifetime ,she would have .
Entonces ¿si ella hubiera sido fea no te importaría su muerte?. Los feos también merecen un poco de amor.
She was awesome.
thank you
So endlessly talented beyond Courtney.
so beautiful it doesn't need words!!!
god i love her!!!!
stunning musician
It has the Jazz feel of something like PSA by Jimmy Chamberlin complex.
I just wished Kurt and Kristen gotten together to collaborate in the studio. Hooked up as more than just friends.
you disgust me
Not a single dislike. Damn right!!!
Brilliant
definitely in the veins of Sonic Youth, but just as fantastic.
Wow awesome thank you soo much for uploading this treasure.
beautiful!!!!
Thank you so much
Great stuff
Love.
I love her.
Thanks!
Thanks for adding this.
I'm in love with Kristen.
If she had not followed her father's advice to join up with Hole, she maynot have turned to heroin and still be alive. Very sad how she died at such a young age.
Had she never met CL she'd probably still be alive today.
Her dad probably had no idea just what Hole and the scene around them were getting into, it's not fair to blame him. He wanted what was best for his daughter professionally.
It seems Kristen was the type of musician who would play with many artist, because her musical talent was adventurous...joining Hole was just part of that venture 🌼 sad her path got cut short from being caught up in 'the scene'
hell yeah
omg thank u
I like it :)
thanks man
research for next video?
I can definitely see her style in live through this, seems like she would’ve came uo w most of the rhythms on that album, not courtney
Agreed!!!
live through this was already being written before she even joined. 'violet,' 'doll parts,' and etc. she did make the "i've made my bed, i'll lie in it" chorus in miss world though. courtney wrote a majority of the songs, more than anybody else couldve. but you could tell that kurt definitely had an influence on her lyrics. that doesnt mean he wrote them, he only inspired her. but they were a musical couple, they probably did help with each others lyrics. but dont say that kristen came up with them, she probably came up with the bass parts. courtney was good at making a riff, just because you dont like her doesnt mean that it was bad.
@@urmom-lf1yd she said literally nothing about lyrics. She was talking rhythms.
sovereign_stardust i know..
journey ?? Tf ? None of that was related to what i said?
That was awesome someone needs to write some lyrics get her song out maybe
No way! This is instrumental rock. I wish it would've gone more mainstream. Check out Explosions in the sky, Mono, or Mogwai sometime. I even played in an instrumental rock band at one point.
No words needed...this instrumental is perfect 🌼
I wish kristen had left more instrumentals it be awesome to hear her voice maybe a movie about her using her diary vocals like a docu art film
Reminded me a bit of New Order. Good tho.
Two words. Courtney Love. No record of a toxicology report for a death ruled to be by a drug overdose. Courtney's close friend Dr. Hawthorne performed both Kristen's and Kurts autopsy. Many pages from the week of Kurts death in Kristen's diary were ripped out. Courtney Love was quoted saying she had to get Kristen's boyfriend away from the body at the scene but it was Paul Erickson who discovered the body and Courtney was not at the scene. Kristen had just completed rehab and was leaving hole to go back to her old band. Courtney Love believed Kurt and Kristin were having an affair. Kristen died 3 months after Kurt Cobain died. Hmmmmmmmm.
She had actually already left Hole and just went back to Seattle to get her stuff. Her Uhaul was there and everything...The only person that is reported to come visit her was Erik and I believe he was the one who gave her the drugs...she had been clean for months.
@@Amalia-no7xt Kristen still craved the dope...she probably called the one person SHE KNEW would have it.
Unfortunately she didn't just stay off the shite...she may still be alive today??
I am sure Kristen never thought it would be the last 'dose' of her life. Sad.
As for erlandson...you know HE KNOWS 🥀
He carries that info daily.
Who are the menbers of this project? or are they just janitor's joe jam??? Fake??? What is the source of this?
Not from Janitor Joe.
Palm was a new side project trio Kristen was forming in Minneapolis sometime between 1992-1994 (with mastermind guitarist of the Minnesota indie-rock band Muskellunge) and drummer (?). She was intending on singing as well as playing bass. These two songs are from 4-track cassette and they are the instrumental versions (however I have the vocal versions somewhere). Because this Palm material never surfaced, I can only assume Kristen was the only one with the tapes in her possession (inherited by her brother Jason, who did some light mastering to brighten these recordings). These demos are not for sale and for streaming only. Copyright. 1994. Palm.
Directly taken from the Palm soundcloud account (linked in description) which used to be managed by her family. It's not fake.
Courtney wrote the songs...and great songs they are..but Kristen was the best musician in Hole
Yup.
Kurt and Billy wrote more of Holes stuff than Courtney did
Courtney wrote nothing, Billy and Kurt did
@@jh-kv6pq Billy the Kid and Kurt Russell wrote all of it partner!! 🤠🤡
Kurt and Kristen Dreamteam ❤️ in heaven 😇 and Courtney in hell 👿
Fucking delusional
@@JamesByronMusic nice perspective 👌
This sounds like she was working with him on this one. Its got his signature sound. Probably still burns Courtney, good. Im glad from heaven they have made her and Billys love life a nightmare, that or karma
Kristen Pafaff era amante (affair) de Kurt Cobain.