X1plus community Bambu Lab firmware - A win for everyone?
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
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UPDATE: Dr Tao has spoken with X1plus and users will be have a choice of firmware: blog.bambulab.com/rooted-the-...
Firmware for the Bambu Lab X1 3D printer has been reverse engineered, with a community version available in X1plus. In this video, I take you through every aspect in detail so you can decide if you would like to try it. Even if you don’t we explore how having a community variant of the firmware will drive new features, like we already have with OrcaSlicer and Bambu Studio.
In preparing this video I have been as diligent as possible, testing the firmware by printing absolutely everything I could on it. This amount to around 40 hours of printing using various filaments and slicers. I spoke extensively with X1plus devs, and even discussed this firmware directly with Bambu Lab CEO Dr Tao.
This video was checked for technical accuracy by the X1plus team before publishing. There are so many baseless accusations out there that it was important to ensure this video was factual. All information is accurate to the best of my knowledge in accordance with the X1plus team findings.
What will happen next? Let me know what you think in the comments.
X1plus firmware: www.x1plus.net/
0:00 Introduction
0:52 What is X1plus?
1:25 Who is behind X1plus?
2:04 How does X1plus work?
3:56 How is X1plus installed?
4:56 X1plus benefits
6:35 X1plus roadmap
Doom article: gamerant.com/weirdest-console...
7:38 Reasons against X1plus
9:45 What has been revealed about Bambu Lab?
Bambu Lab A1 test: • Bambu Lab A1 detailed ...
11:00 Why should you care about this?
OrcaSlicer: github.com/SoftFever/OrcaSlicer
Bambu Studio releases: github.com/bambulab/BambuStud...
11:55 What will happen next?
12:45 Conclusion
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I love how many extremely skilled people are willing to put their hard work out for free as open source software. So cool! I hope to be able to write something useful enough for that one day.
i saw somewhere that bambu lab are likely in breach of several open source liscenses by not open sourcing their own firmware, shame this has to be left to the community to bust it open but i agree this is awesome
Well... I have done it before in other projects. It's not really "hard work", but doing something that you want for yourself and sharing it since no one would pay for it anyway.
just give it a go. find something that needs documenting, add a small fix to a project, anything is better than nothing
@@alexanderr-j4573 Is there any actual evidence of this? According to the video, the X1 Plus devs found no evidence of code theft.
Edit: to clarify, I consider using open source software without respecting the license to be code theft
You're welcome!
I'd love to see this branch into an open source ecosystem for filament RFID tags. The current RFID tags that Bambu uses are nice because they automatically load a number of settings for that filament. Opening this up so other manufacturers can participate would make it a lot more convenient to use third party filaments on the Bambu. This may initially seem like a downside for Bambu Lab, but I think it would improve their reputation for printing third party filaments and lead to even more printer (and AMS) sales.
It's not about the printer or ams sales it's about the filament, that's where the money is at and where it is most profitable for bambulab...
Fantastic idea, but I suspect Bambu makes too much from selling filaments to want to make it easier for other companies to start taking their market share?
I think it’s fair for Bambu lab to have their „convenience“ advantage. They don’t lock 3rd party manufacturers out of their printer (like other companies have done)
Yeah it would be nice but ultimately it won’t happen and personally it doesn’t bother me that much loading 3rd party filament
@@absak
It's neither. It's the data that they collect with the printers, just as with DJI drones.
This is the same thing with the Keurig coffee maker. It's yet another razor blade market. There's no way they'd open that up.
The best thing out of this is third party confirmation that it does nothing funny behind the close source curtain. I love what bambu is doing and I I fell better knowing they actually just deliver a good product
That was honestly, my only real hesitation in choosing BambuLabs for my next printer. Their product seems to be a very nice line-up. With this peek behind the curtain, and the hope of possible future community improvements, It's become quite a few steps more difficult to steer myself away from Bambu.
There's a great interview CNC Kitchen did with Bambu's founder. He seemed like a pretty genuine guy. Of course that doesn't mean much, but I think it's worth watching.
@@polycrystallinecandy its not that it doesn't mean much, it means literally nothing. There's lots of sociopath CEOs out there who put on a nice face.
@@Inertia888 yeah same here as well
Fantastic video. I'm one of the users that more than likely will never do this but appreciate those that have put in the effort to make this possible. Like you've said this might help lead to more innovation on the bambu team. That lock screen idea is pretty dang brilliant. Followup please once Doom works 😂🤘
Been running the CFW for a few weeks now, no real issues, its basically stock+more cool things and more control over the printer
If they are willing to copy/paste from Orca - They should be willing to work with community to improve stock firmware - lock screen alone is a very cool feature!
I really hope Bambu labs does come to an agreement on allowing custom firmware in the future.
X to doubt
their printers cost what they cost because of the closed eco system, I think if they went open source they would get more expensive
@@flippy9133just out of curiosity, how would making it open source make it more expensive? Also how would just allowing custom firmware make it more expensive?
@@flippy9133 Bambu lab printers are cheap due to china manufacturing and low cost/low quality components.
@@flippy9133 That is the dumbest shit i've read today, and I just watched a story about elon musk's history of tweeting.
This could be the development, that makes me consider buying a Bambu.
Good job !
100% Bambu is going to update all machines to stop this.
Only way I'd buy one is if they kept it soo.. we'll see what they do.
That was my first thought after hearing the CEO and dev team were put into contact. Will Bamboo intervene or play ball? It will be interesting to see how this unfolds…
Same for me! I really hope that Bambu doesn't screw this over
@@CardboardCreationismDoing that will only make devs going into "challenge accepted!" mode. Cooperation is better for Bambu now that the Pandora's box was opened, because people won't be stopped if they decide not to.
Michael, thank you for bringing a positive perspective to all of the aspects and implications of the X1 Plus firmware as well as connecting the developers with Bambu Lab for the possibility of future compensation. I love the new features and the future potential of additional features. Cheers, Courtney
Heck yes this is awesome. Open source is the way
If I understand correctly this isn't fully open source firmware but mix of open source and existing bambu lab firmware binaries. Correct me if I'm wrong.
That's really great ! I'm not going to install it because I'm still under warranty so I hope they will get in an agreement to open the firmware update after the end of support
@@arekx well is not out yet, so is difficult to say, but it's hard to immagine that this people managed to reproduce even the UI so easily, my money is on the custom fw executing binaries out of the internal memory in a chroot fashion and probably injecting custom QT libraries or live patching them on the fly, amazing stuff.
It's not. Semi closed eco systems is the way to go
@@MrSirclintUntil the company folds, then good luck supporting your printer.
My main reason for wanting to build a Voron over buying an X1 was just to have the option to change things down the line and not being locked into proprietary firmware/hardware.
This is a nice step in taking that reason away (especially considering I haven’t built a voron yet either) IF they find new ways to continue to allow this firmware going forward since newly sold printers will already have newer firmware.
If you're not terrified of the prospect of building a Voron I'd say go with that. It's a fun project and when you're done you'll have in-depth knowledge of your printer and if something ever goes wrong with it you'll be able to fix it on your own.
I built a LDO Voron Trident 300mm after returning my X1C for so many reasons. Currently building a LDO Voron V0.2.
Everything just works, totally freedom, no dramas, the best decision.
@@hakunamatata324lucky you.
Agree with other commenters. My philosophy is jail breaking any device is a loosing game and buying in spite of knowing that is a loosing war. Future proof yourself from the drama and get something that's open and free by design. Future you will thank you for your decisions.
It was great having you beta test this for us Michael, you even found a new bug 😄! Hopefully we can get that resolved before release.
We'd like to note that Bambu Lab's releasing 1.7.1.0 and locking down firmware downgrades is actually the correct thing for Bambu Labs to do, even if it has unfortunate results for us 🙂 As you pointed out - Bambu Labs had no way of knowing if our intentions are malicious or not. They did what any responsible company should do when addressing a security vulnerability - patch it.
Keep up the great work! Hope you manage to also get it working on latest fw. You have your 1st subscriber (me) 🤪
So what's the work around for us who can't down grade?
6:58 I see the AP board has a serial connector, not sure if it's enabled as a console during the boot process or if the built-in bootloader is configured so it can't be interrupted via the serial console, but it might be worth checking (I don't have a BL printer).
If this doesn't work I guess there could also be JTAG pads (I don't see a soldered connector), although those would involve a lot more low-level work.
But essentially having unrestricted physical access to the device sooner or later people are going to find a way to "break into" it. If you're interested in this topic you could read "Hacking the Xbox" by Andrew Bunnie Huang for a very nice introduction to hardware hacking. From its own description: "Hacking the Xbox begins with a few step-by-step tutorials on hardware modifications that teach basic hacking techniques as well as essential reverse-engineering skills. It progresses into a discussion of the Xbox security mechanisms and other advanced hacking topics, emphasizing the important subjects of computer security and reverse engineering. The book includes numerous practical guides, such as where to get hacking gear, soldering techniques, debugging tips, and an Xbox hardware reference guide."
7:50 Congrats to the X1Plus team for pulling this off!
Question for you: does X1Plus only replace (parts of) the original GUI while calling existing firmware code to retain all functionality, even after future upgrades? Or did you have to rewrite it all? (I somehow doubt this is the case but I'm curious like this :) )
When will it be released to the public? Days? Weeks? @_X1Plus_
Would be cool to see Bambu work with the X1+ people to develop a plugin system rather than having to choose between the official firmware or the open source one since features will likely diverge.
there was no confirmation of bambu supporting this in any way other than the devs and bambu are talking
respect to both the x1+ community and bambu labs.
I won't be using x1+ because my tinkering days are behind me, and i just want to print now. But agree that this is good for bambu and the community.
Exactly! I bought Bambu to stop wasting time trying to tune/retune the printer. It just works. So, whatever it takes from BambuLab to make it happen, I'm okay with it. If I feel like the old days, I have 2 other printers :)
Yeah. But a AMS hack would be nice 😅
I have a X1C with oem firmware and a Voron with ercf and would love to use the AMS instead of the ercf on my Voron.
Incredible, eager to hear results of the communication between the X1Plus team and Dr. Tao. He seems like a reasonable guy but he's also the CEO of a now massive company so I can see it going either way as far as resisting support for CFW.
Thanks so much to X1P team and Michael for the showcase else I might have missed this opportunity by updating. Looking forward to SSHing into my favorite printer soon🤓
Thanks mate for putting this out and the work you are doing with the team. I am not surprised that this is happening given the quality of the bamboo printers and their affordability. I hope the
Management of Bamboo are able to find a way to embrace the community and protect their IP.
Thank you for the amazing support! Im inspired by you to help and keep pushing the open source community
I saw Nero3D's quick video on this a week or so ago, and it's cool to see it getting out there. I'm one of those folks with no interest in fiddling with my printer - but I also really appreciate the way community driven innovation can loop back into the official tools. I'm glad to hear that Bambu Lab and the X1Plus team are talking to each other. Hopefully a reasonable acommodation can be reached.
Saw it also and have been waiting for more information, looks good so far
Your work in all aspects is exemplary. Congrats, mate.
This was so awesome to watch, nothing wrong with this custom firmware for the Bambu Labs X1! Let's see what Bambu is going to do next... very interesting!
So glad that you put them in touch with the Dr. Hopefully they can work together to offer the best of both worlds by allowing calibration to help BETTER their machines. Like they have with E3D.
Community firmware would be perfect!!! Thanks for stepping and getting them together
I love the auto bad leveling and vibration information. It would be aswesome if BambuLab would include it in the stock firmware.
Thanks for the information Michael, much appreciate your work, If the X1+ team work out how to get around Bambus firmware lock, then I may actually pick up one of these machines, but until that's a thing, I will continue to design and build my own machines.
This is fantastic news, my days of tinkering are over, but you are 100% correct with your point on Open Source being a positive impact for vanilla X1 users.
How refreshing to have a product function under the hood as advertised. Also, positive endorsement of quality from independent engineers and software devs.
It sounds like the introduction made may be the single most powerful contribution you've made to the community. Here's to hoping both sides are playing nicely and choose to capitalize on this opportunity to improve the printer and the ecosystem around it. The cat's out of the bag already, after all!
My applause to the team that took on this project. Open source is always a win win for the consumer/end user. I am curious to see how things transpire over time. While I do not support the company that makes these machines for a variety of reasons, I do think they have some novel innovations. Again, this is a win for the end users.
This is fantastic. Like you said, even if I don’t use the x1+ firmware, the community involvement is nothing but positive. Hopefully they will get the cooperation of Bambu Lab and both teams and the uses will benefit just like with Orca Slicer. I’m super happy with my X1C and super excited to see where this goes in the future.
This really reminds me of the Wii homebrew I had done when I was younger, really takes me back. Now I am pretty happy to see that the X1 has finally gotten, almost like its own version of Klipper.
A feature I would like to see is the ability to read and write generic RF tags on the filament spools so that AMS can more conveniently use any filament that I put a tag on.
Great to see another open source firmware entering the field, especially one that runs in Linux. It’s a relief to hear there is no IP borrowed from GPL firmware projects, but it’s not a huge surprise considering that they’re former DJI engineers and surely understand control systems. I’ll certainly be studying those sources to bolster Marlin development, as there’s always something new to learn from other firmwares. Congratulations to the team, and I look forward to seeing how the project develops and deals with other Bambu hardware. Exciting times!
The firmware is not open source.
@@eaman11 My understanding from the video is that X1Plus will be releasing their source code
@@JernD Maybe but that won't be the X1 firmware, as known as bambu firmware. They may release their overlay, something that only alters the original functionalities.
" I’ll certainly be studying those sources to bolster Marlin development, as there’s always something new to learn from other firmwares."
I dont think that is something i would say so publicly given the legal implications if in the future someone deems that your code infringes on theirs.
Just out of safety, I think some things are better left unsaid.
He didn't say he was stealing & incorporating it. There is a thing called "learning for understanding". That's how it was done before FOSS/OSS.
Glad you posted this today! My printer arrives Monday, and one of the first things I would have done would be to update the firmware. Hopefully it shipped without the fully updated software!
Thanks for the information, Michael. I'll wait at least a year to see where X1Plus and Bambulab are going before I'll implement ANYTHING. These add-ons are a nice to have, but not essential for the 3D printing of functional parts that I do. Best wishes for 2024 and congrats on your 2nd channel.
Making things open source is never bad
While I'll probably stick with the vanilla FW for a while longer for reasons mentioned in the video, I really love to see the development here. If I could throw out one feature request (I already put on bambu's github) it would be to be able to use NFC stickers on any spool and save the filament settings on there through bambu studio or orca slicer.
Bambu blocked all options to load custom firmware with their latest patches. So if you don't do it now you'll be stuck on official versions virtually forever.
@@Popatoh I switched to bambu for the ease of use and support so I'm not really interested in running custom software and loosing warranty. If they discontinue support in a few years I'll see what the possibilities are then, or just move on to a different future printer.
@@Popatoh they just added a offical way to use third party firmware. It does break Support/Warranty which is fair imho.
I personally love the hard work and dedication the X-1 plus team has put in. I personally will not own a bamboo printer until they are open source cut the x1+ team has made it 1 step closer to reality.
Awesome to see, interested in a follow up video that comes out of the discussions with bambu labs and the X1plus team.
On the one hand, if BambuLab and X1+ were able to work together to come up with a "Core firmware + Addons" type arrangement, it in theory opens the door for new functionality to be prototyped off the main firmware, and merged in if/when Bambu decides it's mature and useful enough to have in mainline. I'd be fine with "Enable preview/advanced mode" as an option that would let me see some of the data that is currently hidden by the UI like you displayed with the leveling/graphs. And with official support from Bambu, they might be able to address that load time issue. :)
But on the other hand, I still worry that because the world is focused on subscriptions and endless recurring revenue that Bambu is loathe to give up control over the printer. We've seen a bit of backstepping on that with LAN-Only mode, which is great, but I'm not 100% convinced we won't have a bait and switch situation later with their RFID spools and the AMS...
Bambu Lab has already disabled rolling your firmware back. So if you have already updated beyond 1.7.0, you are stuck with Bambu Lab firmware.
My guess is that someone smarter than me will be able to fix it
Just going to need the right script to fix this issue
Great!
I'd like to see open firmware on the A1 as well 👍🏼
Keep up your work 💪🏼
I love this. I’m holding off, but will probably do it in the future when more features are supported.
Awesome that you put them in contact with each other. A lot of times, we fear what we can't see or don't understand. I want Bambu Labs to continue to be successful. They have to worry about cheap copies of their printers, as did Prusa. But in Prusa's case, they have stellar support that may be lacking on BL side from what I've seen in different online groups. So, if a company only provides innovative parts, once those are copied then it becomes a price war. Of course all of this is conjecture.
companies like creality have already basically copied bambu's x1 with the creality k1, all the way to a knockoff ui. being closed source didn't prevent it.
Love it! Unfortunately I just updated my 2 x1c's to 1.7.01 last week.... :(
I’m sure they will find a new exploit so you will eventually be able to do it.
@@shadedisplayed gosh I hope you're right, I'm stuck in the same boat.
I hope they find another way. I am stuck with 1.7.01 unable to rollback...
I love the idea of this even though I don't tinker with my printers (Ender 3 Pro) software. Open source beats closed. Thanks for making this video and I look forward to hearing how this develops.
Thank you so much for your hard work on all of this! Great job!!!
I get why folks don’t like the closed source aspect of bambu lab printers but IMO the best possible outcome of having a separate fork of bambu lab firmware is eventually improvements finding their way back into the approved firmware. Jailbroken solutions always seem a little tenuous due to the “you can’t upgrade the system unless we find other jailbreaks” problem. I hope that bambu lab open their firmware source so that we can combine the community effort with theirs to see more improvements for more people.
I am currently in the market for a 3D printer and considering the X1. The one downside is Bambu's lack of interaction and support for the open source community. Actively supporting this initiative would be a very appreciable step in that direction!
Go with Prusa. You save time and money because you don't need to reverse engineer anything or worry that a firmware update will trash your work.
My MK4 has input shaping now and it is very fast. Also the machine is built to last. No planned obsolescence parts.
i mean, i dont see any sort of planned obsolescence on bambu printers either. Everything here works perfectly fine. I am approaching 1 year on my P1P and everything has been more than fine with it@@kronosaurelius
I am an Owner of 6 Printers... so far. And one of them is a X1C. I am working in Schools and have seen several Printers. By every Metric a X1C outperforms other Printers. The Quality is extremly good.
In 6 weeks i clocked over 500 hours on the X1C, i have already a Nozzle Set and the CHT Nozzle Upgrade.
It simply works and that is something it does better then a Prusa, Makerbot or other Classroom Printers and much better then Below 400 Bucks Printer: It works very easy and Beginner Friendly and you can go up to Midtier close to High Tier in complexity.
They use Prusa Slicer which is very good and their Slicer even kept compabitility to Prusa and other Printers.
They are Semi open in their Firmware and Hardware.
I wanted a Printer of Voron 2.4 Quality and looked at the prices and a X1C with AMS was cheaper. And the Supplies for parts is reasonable and there is already a 3rd Party Market, like my CHT Nozzle.
There is one Question: What Filament do you want to print: PLA and Variants, PETG
Bambu Lab A1/Prusa Mk4
Do you want ABS
P1P with Upgrades/P1S/X1C/Prusa MK4 with enclosure.
The out of the Box experience at Bambu Labs is great, or Expensive at Prusa MK4.
Disclaimer: I never owned a Prusa, but i have two Prusa Clones, the one with High Quality Parts still prints great, the other.. not so. My first Printer was a Prusa Clone with high Quality Parts from 2014 and it's still running and mostly kicking for Maintenance.
Looking for a tool to do work, or a playtoy? I spent months adding Klipper to a Creality printer, and after months of my time, I got a printer that was harder to use and didn't print any better than my X1 out of the box. Actually, the X1 was better. If you want a great tool that will do work with minimum effort, get an X1. If you have too much time on your hands and want to play for hours, build a printer from scratch.
@@kronosaurelius oh boy… and how much did you for that again? Twice is much for less features? 😂
Thank you for this video. That is extremely promising. Huge kudos to this team for putting in this very hard work!
Had I known about this project, I might have placed an order for an X1 before ordering another printer yesterday. While I appreciate that intellectual property shall be protected, locking features that do not require the cloud out of LAN mode does seem dishonest to me. That, plus the problems coming from the cloud in August 2023, that's too much. I really hope that an X1 plus community rises to provide what Bambu Lab choose not to !
Nice one!
Hope this will bring openness to Bambu Lab also for other printers
I'm already on 1.07.01 so no love for me in its current iteration, but here's hoping for some cooperation from Bambu's side.
if bambu was cooperating u wouldnt be stuck on a firmware that cant run x1plus without ability to rollback
Same here. Rushed downstairs to my printer only to find that I'm on 1.07.01
Ooooh so this is why Bambu is forbidding downgrades!
I have had my X1 Carbon for a month now and I Love, Love, Love my X1. Too bad I already updated to 171 but we will see what comes in the future. I am very happy that they have confirmed there is no nefarious code in the stock firmware, makes me even happier with my purchase.
Amazing! Can't wait to see some of those features brought into all printers!
Open source is the future!
I really hope the official firmware adds the screen passcode. My niece is starting to walk and I'd hate for her to walk into the printing room and mess with the settings mid-print.
I’d be more concerned with a toddler opening and touching a running printer but y’know…
@@Oscillutical I'm already working on a lock for the door. Once that's in place, I won't be worried about her hands in there.
I think it's dope these guys did this and opened it up for people that want to explore more options. I won't be using it personally because I love how the X1C just works and I don't think I have a need for more.
Great video Michael! I don't even own an X1 but I love your professional approach to the matter.
Just bought a P1P after printing on open source stuff for over 10 years. I hope Bambu labs doesn't do anything to block this kind of open source innovation. This will determine whether or not I continue to do business with them in the future!
now we only need a way to get a x1 display and chamber camera on the p1s. :D
already done bro, watch the sanja mortimer reprap coverage just a few weeks ago
dam didnt know that, thanks for the info! :D@@TallynTech
You can't run an X1 screen on it, atleast not in the way you think as the printer straight up doesn't support it
There is probably a way, but no one has found it yet. I saw in the rerap video there will be an aftermarket alternative to the real display. I am still happy with the p1s, but with the fancy display and better cam it would be perfect in my eyes.@@shanematthews1985
I love the open source option being available, for one reason above all else, I have long wondered when Bambu might start adding features or making certain things only available to those paying a monthly fee. Such as cloud print needs cloud service at 5 bucks a month. Open source will keep that from ever happening (or will delay, or give a workaround)
Pretty interesting indeed! Thanks, Michael! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
So overall all good except if you break something it's not on Bambu Lab to clean up. Everything sounds perfectly reasonable. And the debunking of bs logs allegations is just a cherry on top.
if this becomes a supported thing i'll start considering buying an x1c. The closed source just put me off too much otherwise.
Fingers crossed!
It won't be, it will be a "at your own risk if your printer firmware is old enough" and new devices will be updated past the point of no return in the factory
@@shanematthews1985 That's what i expect will happen as well, but who knows, weirder things have happened.
I won't be holding my breath though.
Great video. Thanks for the overview of X1. Balanced, highly useful content.
I heard about this just before the new year and stopped any upgrades, not sure if I stopped in time, but am excited to test it out. I can't see why an alternative would be bad, choices are always a good thing to have in life.
I am debating on a Voron build or buying a X1C - but the open-source nature pushes me towards a Voron - I almost considered a X1C again when I saw this video, but I wouldn't want to risk a new machine coming with incompatible firmware so I am edging towards a Voron again!
vzbot, ratrig or sktank
@@Kmnri I am enamored with the engineering of the Voron team - also with the engineering in the X1C and they end up being the same price here in Canada, I get a bigger build volume on the Voron but have to build it (takes 20hours or so) - that's my thoughts for now
I've seen people say a voron is more likely to take 40hrs to build, but that might depend on if the kit you buy did any of the work for you.
@@honkbeforeitstoolate587 I mean, I am a content creator, so I would likely just livestream it all anyway
Do you want a printer that's a project in itself, or a printer to print projects? That's the difference between the two.
I would buy an A1 Mini right now if they let me run my own firmware this is great I hope they work with the community
A1 and P1 series should be fully possible to flash and Bambu shouldn't currently have a way to block it like with updates on X1. Problem here is that there's no existing firmware compatible with them and I would guess it's a lot harder to reverse-engineer bare metal firmware instead of linux binaries like on X1.
What a balanced and well put together video on a tricky topic. THANKS for this!!!
It's good that this exists. I am not yet finished using my 18-month-old entry-level printer, but my next printer could very easily be a Bambu. Having this X1 option makes Bambu even more attractive (assuming the jailbreaks keep up with Bambu's thwartin' attempts. Sometimes thwartin' ain't cool)
All I can say is “this is huge!” We’ll see if BBL and the developers can work something out for the entire community. The tricky bit is keep the few proprietary bit of information BBL will want to protect. Not sure how this can be done with moving to open source
It's a common enough thing, open source wrapped around some closed source software blob, eg Debian on Raspberry Pi aka raspbian, or any of the big name camera manufacturers or graphics card SDK's, closed source blob at the centre that exposes functionality via the open source wrapper. Just another abstraction layer.
I would love to use this firmware and I know it isn’t intrusive, but I can’t bring myself to mess with my $1500 printer with a risk of messing it up
I just saw the statement made by Bambu today saying they'll allow 3rd party firmware. Honestly man, thank you. This is happening in a VERY large part because of you using your connections for the betterment of the platform. You're like the new Naomi Wu. Just need a wardrobe change and it'll be like she never left. Seriously, though. You're awesome.
Mutual cooperation is the only better future. 🤞 The power and opinion of the community should not be overstated.
To note, damage caused _by the modified firmware_ isn't under warranty. Support might try to convince you otherwise if you mention it, but hardware things untelated to firmware must still be covered under warranty by law (obviously check your country's warranty regulation before doing this, but it's mostly like this)
I like how in a video where they debunk ridiculous accusations against the company we have a comment already assuming the worst of the very company that was just vindicated. The bias against them is just unreal and it almost seems like an unwinnable situation.
@@BeefIngot what are you talking about? I was commenting on something that was mentioned in the video ( 8:12 ) and that _every_ company does, not just Bambu.
Talking specifically about Bambulabs though, they're pretty notorious for trying to tell you you've voided your warranty for minor completely unrelated stuff (like a different steel sheet than shipped with the printer)... I'm letting people know they can't do that, legally (in most countries). But again, that's not surprising, as every company does it. Not just in the 3d printing world. Don't play the victim for a company that doesn't need it, they make cool printers. Being critical doesn't mean attacking. If you feel like any minor critique not even directed specifically at the company is an attack, maybe check _your_ bias.
@@FAB1150 Notorious as in you made it up? The number of nonsense, unsubstantiated claims when it comes to this company are unprecedented. What evidence do you actually have, because every time I hear some outlandish claim about them, I research it, and low and behold, more made up bs.
You didnt criticize the company, you made up a nonexistent future wrong and blamed them for something they couldnt have done yet and you have no reason to believe they would do, especially because they phrased their warranty wording specifically to still cover people who had issues unrelated to the custom firmware,
You literally expect them to take the L for someone messing up their own printer? Thats insanity. If not, then your complaint rings hollow, because what is it based on? Literally give me any basis for your complaint about this made up future hypothetical.
You took a good thing, and turned it into a bad thing.
I mean if you want to try and take them to court over it, if they can prove you installed CFW, which will be easy by reading the bootloader from the AP board then you won't have a leg to stand on
@@shanematthews1985 that's the opposite of what would happen. They can't invalidate your warranty for a hardware part if you only modified the firmware/software (or they have to prove that your modified software caused the hardware failure... Which isn't possible in this case as It's basically a skin over the original software that still controls the printer physically.
This isn't something that would get to court, they'll honor your warranty way before that if you mention the law.
And I'll tell you something more: they can't void your warranty for disassembling your machine, or even for modifying it. They have to prove that your modified part caused the malfunction in the device... So your AMS hydra mod or whatever it's called can't prevent you from getting a stepper motor replacement. Or even an AMS replacement.
And I'll tell you something even funnier: in the EU, warranty also covers you f-ing up the installation or assembly of parts if the instructions aren't good enough. Not the case of Bambulabs, but something to note.
One thing that instantly comes to mind. If it's Linux. Couldn't you use Klipper in theory?
Not at the moment. The mainboard of the X1 has no stepper drivers. The motors are controlled directly from the software and so far Klipper has no support for this.
It would not offer anything of use to the X1C that is already present. Or for features and functions that does not even exist in Klipper.
@chaosengine3772 Well, sure you're right it wouldn't give any advantage, but it would be something interesting... like running doom on a calculator. But maybe it could help develop Klipper in some ways.
Switzerland, woohoo! Thanks for your videos. I really enjoy them and learned a couple of things.
In my opinion, this *increases* the value and reason for buying a Bambu X1. I wish more companies would realize this and quit fighting against their greatest fans and a valuable asset. I remember the idiocy of Linksys... when an open source firmware came out, they couldn't keep the model in stock, yet they still fought tooth and nail against it and released future versions to disallow the very reason the model was so popular! Never underestimate the idiocy of a corporate bureaucrat.
Unfortunately it seems Bambu is going down the same road, at least if I understood correctly they have taken actions to block custom firmware in their later updates which is probably triggered by them becoming aware of one being developed.
To bad that Bambu Lab stopped letting people roll back firmware so its impossible to add the firmware now. So many people cant take advantage of this.
You can't roll back, period?
That, honestly sucks. I've used too many softwares and drivers where an update breaks something and I either want to or have to rollback to fix it.
I wouldn't trust anything that doesn't let me do it, personally.
For a good reason. Imagine the scenario when someone needs customer support for any issue running custom, not approved firmware?
@@Nessinby Bambu has blocked rollback on the X1C because of this jailbreak.
they will get around it give it a few weeks
@@Nessinbyit's more likely that it will prevent rolling back past the point of no return
Closed spy firmware was what was keeping me from buying an X1
Well now it's the inability to roll back to 1.07 firmware.
give it two weeks@@eaman11
I think this is great and definitely something I'll be looking at closer. I simply home Bambu Labs responds positively. I should also state that I bought a bambu printer not because I didn't "want" to tinker but because I was tired of having no choice. I was fed up with spending more time tinkering than printing.
Really interesting Michael. Great to see the X1+ team confirming that there is no evidence of "phoning home". I think the Bambu community can only benefit from these sort of projects. Hopefully Bambu and the X1+ team can cometo an amicable way forward. Cheers, JAYTEE
With the amount I spent on my X1C not touching this. But I find it hilarious that the lock screen can be defeated by... Popping out the memory card. 😂
It was simply a matter of time with the way Bambu has gone about doing business.
Really? Then I should install custom firmware for my car, TV, refrigerator and smart watch then. How many devices you use day to day with locked, proprietary firmware?
@@chaosengine3772 when did I say I was for or against this ?? All I said is this WAS going to happen…go save the whales somewhere else bro….
@@stevekorzeniewski6895 Your tone sound like it was negative. Because all I hear about Bambu doing it their way has ruffled a hell of a lot of feathers ya know. Lots of senseless, gossipy conspiracy crap and hate that's not warranted. It's Bambu right as a business to protect their interests and above all, their IP.
I remember when all the crap started about BL's new X1 machine... alot were saying what will you do when BL goes bust (as if) and you cant get firmware updates...My answer back then was the Community will make sure that dosn't happen. As always another great vid ty Michael The reason i still sub to this channel is your genuine content.
This is excellent news. Bambu Labs has been built on the knowledge and skills that the opensource community laid out for years. I knew it was only a matter of time before this happened. My hope is that this pushes Bambu to be more conscious about their customers. I'm terrified that when the X1 is updated (X2?) they will leave their base in the dust - both by not updating software and making it impossible to update the hardware for the new functionality. Hopefully this will give them the reminder that if they don't allow for it, people will break into it on their own. So if they don't offer an update kit like Prusa does, others will make money off of doing what they didnt.
That's my hope anyways 🤞
I left behind Voron and Prusa to escape DIY... after years of tweaking and tuning... I get better results from my X1C straight out of the box... I will be sticking with Bambu firmware for this reason but I do understand those who want to break I mean improve their printers :-)
well, i have x1c, Voron, RR and a few p1ps, and i get better results with my DIY printers, you shouldve calibrated better :) Bambus are great though as you do not have to spend any time doing so.
Your DIY printer is only as good as you build/tune it. Some people like doing that, other don't. And that's ok, the market is big enough to attend both.
Its fair, I just wasn't very good at tuning... I can admit that. @@rangebear1
custom firmware? this statement makes me laugh as an embedded engineer.. boys unlocked linux via jailbreak, and used ghidra or some other tool to decompile binaries and added a few screens. this has nothing to do with a "custom firmware". the main functionality implemented by bambulab engineers is untouched and no reverse engineer will ever get it to a level suitable for the market. so let's hope that boys don't start to mess with that internal code as user could end up in a pretty f-ed up state. be careful.
Do you have any proof for those accusations? If not, then you shouldn't be making them, because you could end up in a pretty f-ed up state. be careful.
It is a custom firmware though. What are you on about.
@@logitech4873not really, it's not touching anything on the printers firmware it's a custom front end that is showing you data the stock Linux frontend doesn't, nothing persists so if you power cycle the printer those changes are removed
This is awesome. I have no plans to try it, but some of the features sure look good. I do hope bambu adopt some of the features of this open source firmware.
I’m glad Dr. Tau and those guys were able to at least chat about this project. Hopefully Bambu Lab allow this at least with specific warnings about the warranty being void if the option is exercised.
By the way, in the USA - the breaking of the tab to allow custom firmware, voiding your warranty, is illegal. You can only void someone's warranty if you can display that their modifications are what caused damage to the device. Unfortunately many companies get away with these "Warranty Void If Removed" devices, but in the fact of law - warranties aren't allowed to work that way.
Agree, we all benefit.
Thanks for all your time, hope it's still fun. And personally I don't care if you have some partnership/business arrangement with Bambu... or anyone else for that matter.... as initially stated, we all benefit imo : )
I very much hope that Bambu would be comparatively supportive of this. A piece of hardware with firmware options is simply more valuable than hardware that is locked down to only the manufacturer's system. End of life from the manufacturer is one obvious case. The risk that the manufacturer could run into problems and be taken over by an exploitative new owner is another. I've been planning on buying a P1S, but if this option is well established that would make the X1C a better value.
Really interesting development, something I miss being able to do with my X1-C is play with the firmware settings. I would really like to be able to see the return values from the initial filament scans. For example to see if settings are actually applied or to see if different build surfaces and build plate colors give different K values for the same filament.
I really like the look of the X1 and it has many features that I like and overall is a nicely built, compact unit but I wouldn't buy one in it's current form due to it being closed source, however this firmware gives me hope for a better future. Well done for putting X1 and the firmware group in direct contact, I hope they can arrange a deal that is beneficial for both sides and as the firmware evolves I'll keep a close eye and it may just sway me to get a X1 after all :)
Great video as usual! Thanks for this. As a FOSS advocate and a very happy BBL Customer, I am SUPER excited to see this happening. I understand the challenges that come next as BBL and the X1+ team find a way to coexist and move forward. I think a community driven firmware is a great idea and IMO will only help BBL as has the relationship with other open source endeavours. Sadly for me, at the time I first saw your video, my firmware was already at 01.07.01.00 which i take to mean, I will not be able to participate or take advantage of X1+ firmware. If anyone figures out how to regress back to 01.07.00.00 i would love to know. (Edit a PM from a fellow user mentioned that the current version of Bambu Handy allows a downgrade back to 01.06.05.0 but that this may not last long.)
The ability to augment the stock firmware with an Overlay / alternative OpenSource software is I believe a significant step forward in expanding the potential of this 3D printer. I am truly hoping that Bambu Labs gets on board with this as it could add another step up for Bambu Labs in the 3D printing space. Having a group that is both adding to and testing different ideas that BambuLabs can potentially leverage with future printers and also the X1 I would think is a great boost to the uptake of this printer. This is a technology return to Bambu Labs for a small if not a 0 outlay that I believe will see and return huge benefits longterm, on hardware that is well engineered, well crafted and widely adopted by people who just want to print with out fuss. Please get on board with this Bambu Labs and come up with away to allow both ecosystems to progress for the benefit of all.
This is a good thing! I hope that bamboo lab will open source the firmware as they should have in the first place! Given they build it on the ones that came before them.
Nice information, thanks for informing us all of your findings.
I received a Bam Bu Lab X! C in December and have done a lot of printing on it. For the most part I am very happy with the print and software. I had a PRUSA MK3 and I think the X1 is more satisfying at my level of expertise, which is very low. Almost no print failures. The only knock right now is availability of Bam Bu Lab filament. I hope as January goes on supplies of PLA basic improves. Also have a problems with some rolls of PRUSA PETG filament reels and the AMS.
X1 Plus is a great idea. Thank you for covering Michael 👍
Man, I wish this video was a week earlier ... thank mate 👍