I have not had any problems with my console. And I believe it's one of the original launch models. I've never seen a single overheating message. I guess I am a bit OCD when it comes to cleaning game consoles and keeping them running cool for longer game sessions.
nice efforts again! when my ps5 started to shut off while playing from overheating there was no message. i had to remove the power cord and then do a hdd repair on both drives and read the message that the unit was not shut down properly . it ran for 16 months 24/7 and the fan was quite dusty and heatsink was plugged with dust. i didnt check the liquid metal since the cleaning of the fan and heatsink fixed the shutting down.
Whenever you mentioned ifixit tools, you reminded me of the time when I cleaned and repasted my old laptop several years ago. Thanks to their instruction video and tools, I did it very well although it was my first time. I got more comfortable cleaning laptop and doing thermal paste since then. Also cool shirt you got there.
I found you can rotate out the main board assembly to about 75 degrees angle leaving the metal shielding undisturbed. Once there, you can easily blow out the heatsinks and PSU with an electric blower. To do this you need to leave the IO ribbon cable attached and IO board installed. Just be careful that you don't put the IO ribbon under pressure. If you are careful and maintain observation with the still attached ribbon cable, you can easily rotate out the main PCB for heatsink cleaning. I tend to put a little contact cleaner on the PSU spikes once air dusting is complete to ensure best PSU connectivity.
I see alot of people asking. Yes vacuuming the holes helps but it's minimal I guess it's peace of mind only. I've vacuumed the holes on mine but it was still caked on the fan. Cleaning the fan is not fun it really gets caked up even if you dust it off. I have hepa air purifier in every room it helps but still gets dusty and caked up. I blow my ps5 out as well as all the pcs/laptops every 3 to 6 months. I've cleaned 8 PS5 for people as a service in my town and the fan is always caked in each household the heatsinks are usually not that bad seems like the fan design just loves collecting lint and dust.
I'm just glad people everywhere are taking to regular maintenance of their systems nowadays instead of just letting something die and assume it's reached the end of its life cycle to just get a new one. Cause if there's one thing we all know, these companies aren't making the devices we love for long and when something goes wrong, you'd typically want to start again with the same product you had before.
I would assume based on the 1st PS5's symptoms that the PSU thermal protection was kicking in before the APU, hence no overheating message and just plain shutting down.
A got the same at the weekend no message just turned off and wouldn't turn back on so changed fuse in plug and she came to life but you could feel the heat coming off it so went on amazon bought a small precision set with security torx and just striped the ps5 down today took me 3 hours as its my first time and my fan heat sink and power supply where full of dust and cat hair cleaned it all out and she is running really quite so quite that a had to double check that I reconnected the fan lol so if you guys are having the same issue strip it down and clean it 1 tip you don't need to take the shield off or the heatsink once you have it striped down enough flip it over and take the 2 screws out so you can remove it in one piece to clean and not worry about the liquid metal running everywhere
Nice one. This is reminding me that I should do a good cleaning on my PS5. Mine is a launch disc system that’s been horizontal the whole time due to the space I have for it. No problems and runs pretty quiet during play. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
He mentioned that he had the ps5 since launch. So his ps5’s definitely the 1000 model. Also the most recent ps5 model is 1200 so I don’t know where your 1600 came from
@@ColdFuego- (edit July The 3th) Thanx : Investigation results still now : Investigation results still now : 12XX without problem : 7 gamers 10XX without problem 7 gamers 10xx shut down after 2 years (fixed by cleaning the internal power supply from dust) : 2 gamers 1116A without problem 2 gamer 1116A/B WITH CRASH SHUT DOWN PROBLEMS : 8 gamers (!!!) 1115B (digital version) without problem 1 gamer It's not a lot but it's intéressant to see that the most gamers (almost 100%) who have issue are on the 1100 model for the moment.
The thing is is not all parts of the die have thermometers so if there’s a dry spot and thus a hot spot it may not detect a high temp but detect too many errors that result from a high temp and turn it off, similar to how bsod’s are triggered on windows
@@matthewward5849 You will be able to use it for a maximum of 10 minutes and you will be warned of high temperature, the recommended is liquid metal and not thermal paste.
From watching your buddy The Cod3r, I have gotten the impression that the liquid metal gets out of place largely due to dropping the unit. The shock makes it splatter. It gets all over the place and shorts things out. If you lay the PS5 horizontally, it is in a more stable position and is less likely to get knocked off the entertainment center onto the floor. So whether it is just gravity or dropping that causes the problem with the liquid metal, laying horizontally is an improvement.
I'm not surprised, seems like launch systems have issues. I bought a launch PS1 and laser was a poor design and eventually failed. My PS5 controllers have stick drift, I tore them apart and cleaned the sticks with electronics cleaner.
Depends where the temp sensor is. It could be some place else than the dry spot, so no overheating message, just thermal protection kicking in at last second, before APU burns itself
@@ceramicmagic4169 That will be on AMD side of things for the sensors as it is there chips not Sony's they cant change the chips. But the problem of it has gone away so it must of been a way Sony was applying the liquid metal or brand of it as this problem only affected early models so Sony did change something to fix it.
I asked a friend of mine, who works at a game store, about the whole ‘dripping liquid metal’ thing and he said that one of the guys at the out-of-warranty repair place they use said one of the most common issues with PS5s is dry spots on the chips like this video states. The repairer thinks that most vertically placed moderately used PS5s, especially launch ones, probably have a lifespan of about 3 to 4 years before they’ll encounter dry spots on the APU. He thinks that Sony didn’t really plan for longevity with the design of the PS5. If this turns out to be true it won’t be a good look for Sony, especially considering that all of their marketing for the PS5 has it placed vertically. I’ve had mine for just over a year now and have it vertical due to lack of space in my entertainment unit. I’m curious to see if I run into any issues in the long term.
Have you forgotten the RROD? I was burning through 360s in months not years(I went through 5 of them all told), and I wasn't alone. Every single solitary person I know who had a 360 had at least one RROD. As long as a platform has good games, and eventually owns up to their mistake(MS denied the RROD problem for nearly a year) "gamers" will be very forgiving of that platform.
tell your friend to inform people about attaching dust filters, any dust in the console would wreck the liquid metal and there will be thermal imbalance, L console
it's interesting to see that Sony decided this was the best way to cool the system. given the series x and PS5 basically use the same APU I wouldn't expect their cooling solutions to be so different even given their form factors, Sony obviously knew about the limitations of LM and decided to use it anyways
and soon other companies will follow cause they can sell soon to be defective products and the masses would be more then happy to buy cause liquid metal sounds hip to them. Disposable income is disposable indeed
It all comes down to cost. MS used a custom vapor chamber, but also don’t mind selling the Series X at a significant loss. Sony can’t afford to do that anymore.
I think Sony ran in to some problems with the design of it as the heat sinks are kind of a odd set up and spaced out like it was put in a later date as i think it struggled with heat problems as the fan itself is having to pull air from the front of the case when it is on the side blocked by the silly panels. That why so much heatsinks and liquid metal instead of normal paste while Xbox used the vaper chamber and good fan placement as the AMD chip can pump out some good heat when under load maybe that is why Sony clocked the chip down a bit from Xbox as they both using the same chips but Sony one is clocked down a small bit. Just what i think i have both consoles so not saying one is better.
Liquid metal is far superior at conducting heat vs. thermal paste, several times better than the very best pastes, so is a more efficient interface between the chips heat sink and the cooling block.
I have a suggestion. Try Honeywell tpm 7950 thermal pad. I used it on my PS4 Pro and framework laptop. Both are now super quite. LTT tested it, and the conclusion is, it is on par with liquid metal. As I don't own a PS5 yet, I can not try it myself.
@@ibrahimhalil9251 128 W/mk (average) for liquid metal (gallium, indium, and tin) when the best liquid metals range from 73-80 W/mk. 😂 PTM 7950 is a phase change material and it IS on par with liquid metal with none of the downsides (pump-out, dry spots, conductivity) of liquid metal. Manufacturers don’t use liquid metal on their flagship 2-3k USD+ gaming laptops, they use Honeywell PTM7950.
I had a customer last week with the same problem. His PS5 had about 8 months, very clean inside and still getting overheat. After open up, i noticed this same issue, one part of the APU was dry of metal liquid. After move around the metal liquid to cover that area, closed the PS5 and the customer had no problems at all anymore.
I have a little problem with mine it working but it doesnt showing on the monitor sometimes it showing a white light but when i tried a ps remote play it working on the remote play but not on the monitor it is because of the ac adapter ? i leave my ps5 on yesterday and when i came back then it happend thanks for reply
This means that basically nothing horrible can happen? If there are errors, just check and fix the liquid metal? I'm keeping my device vertical. Does it make any sense to check the metal without having any issues? It is over 2 years old.
I just got my ps5(owned before by someone else). It immediately had this problem. I have it fixed for now but once I get the tools I’m definitely giving it a good cleaning. So helpful 😊
I like the video, but have to disagree on certain points, if a PS5 suffers from oxidation or "corrosion" in its IHS or heatsink union, it's not because the design is wrong, but because that particular unit was poorly assembled (isolated cases among thousands of consoles) and parts with defects, be it poorly sanded surfaces or defectuous nickel plating, because in theory and practice, liquid metal doesn't have to eat copper or nickel, it only melts with them at a molecular level but not to the degree of corroding as If it happens with aluminum. And second, we have to take into account the behavior of a liquid, obviously if we separate two plates pressed together with a liquid in the middle, the surface tension will cause that layer of intermediate liquid to break and disintegrate creating those "dry spots" that can be seen when we opening the assembly (only when we opening it), but at a micro level that doesn't exist when the two plates are tight together, since the idea and purpose of the liquid metal is to create a very thin but extremely conductive layer at a thermal level, that we cannot see with the naked eye That layer doesn't mean that it's not there when everything is closed. An example would be that you will enclose water between your two palms, if you hold it indeterminately, the water will not come out, no matter the position. But as soon as you separate them the layer disappears, the same logic occurs with liquid metal used as TIM. That is why I would not guarantee that the PS5 has to be used in a “safer” way or another, since the position doesn't have to alter the internal layer or the integrity of the TIM.
@Kratosine I definitely agree with you this one, its like all of these repair videos, these persons dont actually know anything about liquid metal and how its actually act whe ja pressed tightly there between two area and ofc there is then dry spot when this seal is broken.
It was the power supply on first ps5. If the power supply overheats you won’t get a warning message first. If it’s the APU it’ll pop a warning message or the board in general
Do you think that people who keep their PS5 vertical are at greater risk of the liquid metal moving about? LOL, I see that you answered this at the end of the video....I thought so. Thanks!!!
ive kept my ps5 horizontal since day one cause i think it looks better, everyone always asks me why i keep it that way instead of vertical, now i have another reason
How useful/helpful do you think those ‘vacuum holes’ are on the PS5? Would vacuuming them every now and then actually help stop any significant internal dust build up?
Just anecdotal, but I was having the same issue where my ps5 was shutting down, a lot, while playing ps5 games. I read about the vacuum holes and tried it. No more shut downs. Now I do it every couple of months and I haven’t had the issue come up again.
Hi. Could you tell us if your model is a 10000, 11000 or 12000. I try to see if these shut down problems are specific to the 11000 model...( Mine is a 1116A)
@@MGrey-qb5xz Plenty of websites out there have recommended not to install aftermarket dust filters after they tested them as they restrict airflow and cause the PS5 to run hotter. Regularly cleaning your PS5 is probably the best thing to do.
So glad you made a video about this. It's so blown out of proportion. The original user had it taken apart and I'm assuming used way too much liquid metal. I've had GPUs vertically mounted with liquid metal for years and not a single issue. That's why the foam is there lol. P.S. anytime you remove a high pressure heatsink, liquid metal and thermal paste will look like a dry spot as your pulling the interfaces apart. I've had direct die liquid metal, more intense heat, and it never dried after 3 years of water cooling.
Isn’t it possible that the PS5s just sitting and not being used is what’s causing the dry spots? I think you need a control case, meaning a vertical PS5 that’s actively used or at least in sleep mode in order to see how the Liquid Metal behaves.
My problem is i hate to void the warranty sticker even though alot of people do it but if you send it to sony they have to void the warranty sticker when they take it apart too
This guy honestly inspired me to learn soldering and I’ve fixed a tonne of stuff I would’ve just replaced since then. Hopefully more people get inspired to do this from these vids.
I am sure this has been tested before, but I would love to see you do a few different tests on a PS5 with all liquid metal removed and replaces with varying tiers of thermal paste. Kryonaut, Artic Silver, Noctua branded, the stuff you purchase by the bucket, etc. I am going to assume Sony engineered the PS5/heat sink so it would not work, but a detailed analysis would be REALLY cool to watch and learn from. Just a thought, Steve! PS: if anyone knows of a TY channel that has done what I am describing here, please let me know their name and the name of the video so I can go check it out!
I'm curious cause I haven't seen a lot regarding it, but what about the vacuum holes Sony put on the case to clean the dust out. Would this help if dust is already caked on the heatsink?
Also, I know you attempt to fix them for content and show us the inner workings but could you send them into Sony for repairs since they are still under warranty?
@@MGrey-qb5xz now I see you just have no clue what you’re talking about, and are just regurgitating incorrect talking points. Liquid metal doesn’t get damaged. I’ve had the same application of it on an i5 4670k since the cpu launched, with zero degradation. I’ve been building computers for over 25 years.
A dust clogged serially overheating console probably bakes the thermal interface material regardless of what it’s made of. You need to revive and re-spread it if it’s metal, or clean it off and replace it if it’s traditional grease. I can see the excess outside the two mating surfaces pooling over time towards one end, but not the material between those two surfaces due to capillary action and surface tension. My guess is that it’s a neglected console that went through many cycles of overheating until it was thrown away, instead of just being cleaned out. The oxidised spot is probably a result, not a cause, which is why sorting it made no difference but cleaning the ventilation and heatsink fixed the problem.
Seems the 1215a is a superior variant, cleaning is key. I am not the best with tech mind you. I feel the 1215a cooling Shown is the better way of cooling & life extending.
Hi there, thanks for sharing. I've been watching your videos for a while and don't remember you addressing the possibility of switching from liquid metal to a good thermal paste. Is it really necessary to exclusively use liquid metal? Wouldn't a good thermal paste do the necessary heat transfer and avoid all the dry spots and splatter from people bumping their consoles?
is it a dry spot? have been wondering. is it not just a clamping problem where there is direct contact between the silicon and heat sink that squishes the liquid metal away. however the oxidation is not good as it will damage the mounting surface on the heat sink
It definitely does not give you the heat error message all the time,(never did for me) after watching your breakdown vid, i did a cleanout (stage 3) and lucked out with just a dusty heatsinc. Sper drty.....i do alot of GT7 series racing and ps would shut off after 20 to 30 min, the full clean saved me, no liquid metal issue this time🥵, love your vids! 🤜🤛
yeah this time but the heatsink being dusty means it could damage the liquid metal to not working fully, attach dust filter , no dust should be allowed in there
I was taught close to 30 years ago that if the thermal compound is being squeezed out you've applied too much. It's only there to bridge between the die and the heatsink and fill any gaps. Ideally the gaps should be as small as possible. When I started overclocking way back when I used to wet sand and micro-polish both surfaces to get them as flat and as smooth as possible and then apply the compound with the edge of a razor blade. Never a ridge of compound left after they were married together. I think people have gotten the misconception that thermal compound has some magical properties where more of it means more heat being pulled from the processor but that's just not what it does. As soon as liquid metal came around the first thing I thought of was the fact that it remains so fluid will mean it will have to flow away from where it needs to be. Now with the board being vertical and it's just got a gravity assist to drain away. The one thing I don't see anyone try here is to remove the liquid metal, thoroughly clean both surfaces and replace with something like arctic silver and then compare temps and stability. Too many people seem to be on the "if it's new it has to be better" bandwagon.
Actually it's been tried. You can find it on youtube. Thermal compound overheats it and the ps5 turns off. It can't handle it. Liquid metal is the only way.
@@TheBreadSliceMaster Oh...no dispute that thermal compound has less thermal conductivity than liquid metal does but it also has WAY less negative drawbacks. I've never had it run out and short anything out. I've never had it flow away and leave dry spots like shown here. I've never had to make it a routine to go back in and reapply or spread it out over and over. Frankly I think a bigger issue is the cr*p poor heatsinks and horrifically minimal venting they put in these things. So little mass to absorb the heat in the first place. But this is what happens when you employ designers instead of engineers. Get rid of the aluminium and put in much thicker and larger solid copper heatsinks and you'll be able to pull far more heat. I used to deal with with servers all the time when they would thermal and shut down. We had multiple xeons at one of my old jobs and once we replaced all the low mass aluminium heatsinks with copper (and did nothing else) the heat issue went away. It became a standard part of the builds we would do where thermal issues were a real concern. But copper is expensive. It's also a huge waste to use so much thermal compound or liquid metal if it is leaking/running out and not doing anything to facilitate the transfer of heat from the heat spreader to the heatsink. But it would seem people are happy to deal with a system that is plagued with thermal issues and dies because of them than to spend an extra $100. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about it. People can spend their money however they want, but it seems incredibly short sighted. And if you have to rely on something like liquid metal that means that you've overlooked something critical along the way. Then there's the foam tape they used as a stop-gap measure. That's honestly ridiculous for a company supposedly as advanced as sony. A full o-ring surrounding the die with a milled channel in the heatsink face would have fully contained the liquid metal and avoided all of these issues. But then that would have added cost and they know that most people would rather deal with a system with issues that costs less than one that is more expensive but lasts longer. Sony, and all the other console manufacturers, are playing their customers for fools and the customers just keep getting in line again and again. It's almost masochistic.
About your preference to keep the PS5 horizontal I have a few points to contradict your view: Liquid metal has to respect the laws of physics. Which means it has surface tension and it will cause it to stick to another surface (heatsink) instead of flowing down and dripping into the sponge. Just try it with a water bubble and rotate your hand. It will always adhere to your fingers. The same principle works for the PS5. So, unless there is much to little of the liquid metal so it can‘t cover both sides (processor and heatsink) it WILL flow down. Otherwise it will keep its place.
Sorry, but the upside down hand does indicate adhesion but does not indicate cohesive forces as well, plus if you touch that drop under your hand it will flow down. Gravity will cause this fluid to flow, especially with the vibration of the console from the fan spinning. There should have been enough preloaded Liquid Metal to prevent this from being an issue. If that volume between the APU and the processor is full then there is no where for the fluid to flow.
@@MissxLariz I’ve had mine in a vertical position for 2 years. There’s absolutely no evidence that one is better than the other. The only time mine overheated was when it needed cleaned (used this guys video to do it) and it’s worked great since. Dust is what’ll get it to overheat first. Unless you’re unlucky and got one that’s a dud. Mine was dusty like the one in this video.
@@MissxLariz In order for a dry spot to exist with corrosion, there has to be a small amount off air trapped in that space. This means either not enough metal is used to fill the void or it’s leaking out. Either are not good
@@heavymetal_cutting_fabrication I would agree that dust is way more of an enemy than the Liquid Metal issue. I would be willing to bet that dust may be amplifying the bare spot issue.
Hi could you tell us if your model is a 10000, 11000 or 12000 one? I'm suspecting a problem only with the 11000 one (I've 1116A) (it's written under the PS5) Thank you
I posted this video on the PS5 Reddit and of course the mods removed it, the censoring on that sub is unreal. My day 1 PS5 died about two months ago, would just randomly shut down…..started happening more and more frequently until graphical afrifacts started so bad it was unplayable.
My PS5 did the same thing. I have the day one and all I had to do was clean it With a shot vat cleaning kit and it worked just fine did not spread or open my p s 5 once Has been working normal ever since. It cost me 50 bucks to get the vacuum cleaner kit. Around the heat sink and that was it
If Sony and Microsoft intended to design consoles with the primary purpose of accumulating dust inside, they couldn't have designed consoles better that the PS5 and Xbox Series X. The vents on these consoles, when the consoles are stood vertically, are perfect for allowing dust into them. As soon as my consoles arrived, I was straight online looking for dust covers designed specifically for them. Just remember to remove the dust cover when using the console, because it's easy to forget, only to be reminded when the fan has to work so hard that you can hear it over the audio in your headphones.
Yea both systems have issues. I have both. Especially when you have a limited area for them such as an entertainment center. The series x is a DUST MAGNET. I had to buy screens and a top for it that came with fans....now it runs cool as ice. The PS5 is much better dust wise... But I have fan vents with screens and an exhaust fan on it that keeps it cold too. Without all the accessories.... Ive never overheateded either.... But they have been way hotter than I was comfortable with. I've already replaced my series x once. It was a 1st gen..... Notable disc drive problem. New one seems to work better. I'd advise to purchase insurance on your machines. Saved my from buying the second x box. PS5 has been a champ the whole time
That's why Sony started letting us have access to the fan and part of the heatsink so we can clean them . They started doing this with the PS4 slim and pro. You can pop the top plates off and remove the fan to clean it and get some compressed air Into the heatsink to blow any dust out. Same with the ps5
Do you think that keeping the PS5 vertical contributes to the dry spot forming and better to keep it horizontal or does that matter? Also how long should we wait before checking the liquid metal on our systems? Thx! I see you answered my question at the end of the video I should have waited until it was finished before asking. Thanks for the information I am now keeping mine horizontal just to be on the safe side.
@@juliuscaesar7715 Since I got a new PC and a Steam deck I switched back to pc gaming and I just wasn't using my PS5 at all, not even an hour a week, so I decided to sell it.
Mine never has given me a warning, it just shuts off within 20-30 minutes of gameplay....ive done a stage 3 cleaning that lasts a month or so id say and then goes right back to shutting off, so willing maybe to do this liquid metal, hoping that can fix things....ugh
Same thing happened to me yesterday when i'm playing FFXVI demo. So i asked an expert to come and check my ps5. He find out there's a dry spot on my ps5 and repasted the liquid metal. My ps5 working fine w/o overheating, i even beat the demo after that. Good luck on fixing your ps5
Ive had my PS5 since launch but since i heard that story about the liquid metal i been using it vertical and its staying that way to be safe since my warranty is out. Keep them vids coming👍
@@benterry28 dust also causes liquid metal to pool up and dry and collect on the cooler parts of the apu, both ps5 and xbox series are huge dust magnets but ps5 suffers the most from it, L console
Man, every time I watch videos like these - I can't stop thinking of how horribly greedy Sony is that they couldn't spend a few more $$$ to put a plastic or metal mesh dust filter on both sides of fan intakes (instead of useless "fan finger guards" that they currently use) so the dust would accumulate on top of those dust filters and could easily be vacuumed by every user without further disassembly.
I bet PS5 fanboys would cover their ears, pretending nothing bad has happened to PS5. They would always say "PlayStation5 the only current gen gaming system!"
To be fair. Sony probably does tests in a well ventilated clean environment. I see it as a good thing because people really shouldn’t be living in dusty environments. And if your room accumulates the amount of dust to cause your ps5 heat sink to clog up. that’s not good.
We cant really just open our ps5d anf check of it jas a dry spot or not. Nor can we just clean the heatsink since removing the warranty sticker isnt a good idea if it still jas warranty. Also the spills usually happem when the system has been opened and the seal has been messed with.
Is that what my issue is? I’ve had a PS5 since launch and my console will run PS5 games for about 30-45 minutes and then turn off. I’ve tried deep cleaning, rebuilding the database, wiping the console clean etc. Has anyone else overcame the overheating issues or should I just purchase a new model?
It shows again that Sony really cheaped out on the cooling, especially the heatsink, of the PS5.A nd as the consoles grow older, that problem will only get worse. Not an XBOX fanboy, but that thing stays cool at least. Guess they learned their lesson the hard way during the "Ring of death"-scandal with the 360...
@@CrimsonGear80 Indeed. Liquid metal is not that much more expensive than a decent thermal paste. Especially if you buy large amounts in bulk. And it is for sure way cheaper than a bigger thermal solution with more copper and aluminium. Rumors have it that Sony NEEDED the liquid metal as kind of an emergency solution after they figured out that the PS5 would overheat with that heatsink when using normal TIM. Also, the APU on the Xbox Series X is really similar. Why do you think Microsoft is using that massive vapor chamber if it would not be necessary? Also, that is not a new behavior from Sony. A have an OG PS4 and a phat XBOX One, sitting next to each other. You may have a guess which one runs cooler and more quiet... And to prove, that IO am not a fanboy (in fact the arguments above did not reach you), I like that Sony consoles for the easy and relatively cheap storage expension. Something the XBOX never really had... Also, I mostly use my PCs, which is also how I learned about cooling electronics properly.
Hi could you tell us if your model is a 10000, 11000 or 12000 one? And if you have any crash issue (shut down with Only PS5 games) I'm suspecting a problem only with the 11000 one (I've 1116A) (it's written under the PS5) Thank you
that dry spot is where the heat sits when you shut it down immediately after hours of playing. i make it a habit to cool down my consoles for like 3-5 minutes before shutting them down. my 14yr old ps3 slim 6 yr old ps4 slim runs like new on their stock thermal paste. now that i have the ps5, i'm making sure to cool it down before turning it off to disipate the heat inside.
Hey theres a theory out there that thermal pumping is the actual cause of the dry spots and that placing the console vertically makes it worse. This may be due to the camp force not being strong enough as sony wants to reduce the risk of apu damage at the factory. Might make a great video to test this theory by increasing the clamp force by adding washers to the screws. I believe Ps3 and 4 has similar issues too.
i really love your videos sir as its always informative BASED on your different experiences on your repairs..sharing your knowledge and experiences to all of us lessens the tendencies of broken or unrepairable game consoles because of not carefully handling them..best example as always is cleaning the console..for me its always the key to prolong a game console's lifespan... though we all know the YLOD and other light of death on other consoles that is always inevitable at least in their lifespan we took good care of them before their demise,,,, Nice Video Sir!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
My first playstation probably had a problem like this. I've returned it to get a new one and didn't had a problem since. It really depends on the console
I never understand how devices can get dusted up on the inside like shown in your videos, and others here on YT. I'm very lazy and only clean occasionally, but my devices never look like that lol
You are looking at the wrong problem. The liquid can get under the black foam and stickers around cpu and bridge stuff. That seems to happen more then it should. Seen some video of this problem
Even the initial 2 beads that he put on would have been more than enough for both the heatsink and chip. Also, he didn't even remove the old liquid metal from the chip and heatsink. To properly apply the new liquid metal, he should have used the old liquid metal or a small bead to get the oxidation cleaned off, then cleaned everything off, then used a very small bead of liquid metal on each surface and spread it as much as you can to cover the surfaces. This would create a good contact between the heatsink and chip with no risk of squeezing out liquid metal all over inside the unit. This is based on my expirence of delidding and using liquid metal on my old 6700k, 8700k, and watercooling my 3090 and I have never had any issues with liquid metal seeping out or degredation of parts in over 5 years of use.
@@KkevrockK I never said that I was more expirenced than he was, did I? No. I just listed my expirence with using liquid metal on my own equipment. Also, just because someone has a lot of expirence with something, that doesn't mean that they are doing it in the optimal way. If someone is truely interested in learning about a topic or skill and sharing what they have learned with others, they should always be willing to listen to outside suggestions and take logical advice.
They have vacuum ports on the inner case. There’s two holes on the fan side, that to put a vacuum hose to. I use to use them, when I lived in a very, very dusty area with a dog.
Phil says "Yes". I think a simple precaution if it is indeed an issue is to either lay the PS5 horizontal OR every month or so flip it 180 so the flow goes the opposite direction. I just flipped mine.
I wonder what caused it to oxidize that badly... Could heat really do that to LM? If so, thats a serious design-flaw in the PS5, especially considering how close it runs to its thermal shut-off point. It would basically be a countdown until it either refuses to boot, or melts itself.
dust i assume, even a small amount of it can cause dry spots and not make it work properly, liquid metal is trash and hopefully stay away from gaming laptops
I had the same issue with my ps5 keep shutting down recently and then I checked the psu for dust and since I cleaned it I haven’t had any further shut downs
If my launch model doesn’t randomly turn off and have had no issues with it, you still think there is a chance it has a dry spot already purely from heat cycles?
I just don’t believe the liquid moves *that* much when pressed up against the heatsink, unless of course it’s been dropped. Especially with factory seal on xclamp I’m curious but not enough to open it.
Do you think keeping a PS5 in the vertical position would cause the liquid metal to shift to one end?? I keep mine that way with no issue but who knows
The first reason of liquid metal leakage is the fact that sony put too much on apu and heatsink, if you simply suck it up a little and re-spread you will be absolutely fine.
@@Tronicsfix pobably you're right, but if there is the right amount i don't think it should run around when the clamp is attached, but maybe i'm wrong, after all i've only seen 5 ps5
@@Tronicsfix I doubt it is a problem of too little. It is more likely that the contact patch between the heatsink and the top of the chip is either not completely flat or there is not enough pressure to keep the surface tension between the liquid metal on the two parts. Adding more liquid metal will just increase the chances of leakage on to other components, imo. A pressure map of the contact surfaces would be a much better starting point than just add more liquid metal.
The allowed gap between barrier and die is too much. If it was halved then the amount of extra LM that could "leak" would lower. The other issue on oxidation is probably fail/ defect in the amount or time in production of the níquel barrier on the heatsink. Without níquel barrier LM or its main component Gallium will " soak up"/ diffuse in the heatsink leaving dry metals like indium, bismuth and so on. Gallium alloys need strong acids to break oxidation.
In the PC building circuit where LM was first introduced by Kryonaught for replacing the thermal paste between the CPU and IHS, less was more. Too much LM and you risked leakage. Part of the process was to coat the surrounding CPU solder with nail polish to prevent the LM from damaging components. Having a "dry spot" is indicative that the contact pressure between the APU and the heatsink isn't flush due to flatness or the heatsink isn't actually torqued down properly in the right places. Pushing it away from the die and creating the voids. You know there is too much LM on that APU because it's actually pooling around the APU. That extra LM is doing nothing for cooling.
I've had my ps5 since day 1. Been vertical the whole time. On 6 to 10 hours a day. Zero overheating problems. Clean it every month with my rechargable air gun. Recently took it completely apart to check liquid metal and it looked factory brand new. Added some additional liquid metal to be safe and reassembled. Have had zero overheating issues ever.
Dude! This is what’ll happen to me! Especially on hot days it’ll just turn off after an hour, no overheat warning or anything! Then turn on with that same loss of power error. I gave it a thorough cleaning but I never attempted to look at the board myself because I didn’t want to take it apart that far. I bet my issue is the same result on the board! I’m gonna have a look under the hood again but I was about to go and buy a slim. How do I do this as a complete newbie?
@@Tronicsfix I thought we would have another red ring of death like issue with the PS five due to the liquid metal controversy. i’m glad you explained it.
Man i wish i could be ur apprentice! This is literally everything i want to do for a career! Im going into IT this fall and hope to be where youre at someday
Keeping the fan ventilation clear of dust and debris is much much much more important than taking the system apart for liquid metal maintenance (Just wanted to post this, TronicsFix would agree!) Keep the system fan and ventilation holes clean and your system should last a long time
I kept mine horizontal since I got it until I wanted to switch it up vertically and then I learned about this issue and placed my PS5 back horizontally.
I'd love to know the amount of times you've undone those 40 completely necessary screws.
Man even thinking about it annoys me. It's not all about doing it tho it's the fact that you have to be careful you don't lose these 43 screws
get a magnetic white pad you can write on with sharpy, draw a diagram of where each screw came from and you never lose a screw@@Alirezarz62
@@Alirezarz62 if u get a magnetic tray it will change your life :)
I have not had any problems with my console. And I believe it's one of the original launch models. I've never seen a single overheating message. I guess I am a bit OCD when it comes to cleaning game consoles and keeping them running cool for longer game sessions.
Yea me either plus my stuff never gets dusty, but then again I don't use consoles that much anymore
I think keeping it clean is going to really help its longevity
@@dailygamer6630 time to change that user name then ;)
nice efforts again! when my ps5 started to shut off while playing from overheating there was no message. i had to remove the power cord and then do a hdd repair on both drives and read the message that the unit was not shut down properly . it ran for 16 months 24/7 and the fan was quite dusty and heatsink was plugged with dust. i didnt check the liquid metal since the cleaning of the fan and heatsink fixed the shutting down.
The PS5 was fine, it just REALLY didn't want to play Horizon Forbidden West.
Lol, apparently!
What's wrong with Horizon?
It’s just the trial version and he has 0% progress and 0 trophies so he just turns it on and let’s it run I assume.
Can I substitute the liquid metal with thermal paste ????
My friend had the same problem with the launch spider man
Whenever you mentioned ifixit tools, you reminded me of the time when I cleaned and repasted my old laptop several years ago. Thanks to their instruction video and tools, I did it very well although it was my first time. I got more comfortable cleaning laptop and doing thermal paste since then. Also cool shirt you got there.
I found you can rotate out the main board assembly to about 75 degrees angle leaving the metal shielding undisturbed. Once there, you can easily blow out the heatsinks and PSU with an electric blower. To do this you need to leave the IO ribbon cable attached and IO board installed. Just be careful that you don't put the IO ribbon under pressure. If you are careful and maintain observation with the still attached ribbon cable, you can easily rotate out the main PCB for heatsink cleaning. I tend to put a little contact cleaner on the PSU spikes once air dusting is complete to ensure best PSU connectivity.
I see alot of people asking. Yes vacuuming the holes helps but it's minimal I guess it's peace of mind only. I've vacuumed the holes on mine but it was still caked on the fan. Cleaning the fan is not fun it really gets caked up even if you dust it off. I have hepa air purifier in every room it helps but still gets dusty and caked up. I blow my ps5 out as well as all the pcs/laptops every 3 to 6 months. I've cleaned 8 PS5 for people as a service in my town and the fan is always caked in each household the heatsinks are usually not that bad seems like the fan design just loves collecting lint and dust.
you use a leaf blower on ps5 without taking it apart?
The issue is the PS5 so massive and unwieldy it’s hard to put somewhere efficiently. Hope a slim model comes out ASAP.
I'm just glad people everywhere are taking to regular maintenance of their systems nowadays instead of just letting something die and assume it's reached the end of its life cycle to just get a new one.
Cause if there's one thing we all know, these companies aren't making the devices we love for long and when something goes wrong, you'd typically want to start again with the same product you had before.
Day 1 first batch ps5 here and no issues at all
I would assume based on the 1st PS5's symptoms that the PSU thermal protection was kicking in before the APU, hence no overheating message and just plain shutting down.
This seems very likely in my case. Never seen the over heating message, but still the same symptoms.
Explain? My PS5 is a launch model and it’s suffering the same symptoms, no message at all. Just POOF! power off.
A got the same at the weekend no message just turned off and wouldn't turn back on so changed fuse in plug and she came to life but you could feel the heat coming off it so went on amazon bought a small precision set with security torx and just striped the ps5 down today took me 3 hours as its my first time and my fan heat sink and power supply where full of dust and cat hair cleaned it all out and she is running really quite so quite that a had to double check that I reconnected the fan lol so if you guys are having the same issue strip it down and clean it 1 tip you don't need to take the shield off or the heatsink once you have it striped down enough flip it over and take the 2 screws out so you can remove it in one piece to clean and not worry about the liquid metal running everywhere
@@zmman9243 same launch model. Just had same issue. Did you end up sending yours back or did u find a fix ?
Nice one. This is reminding me that I should do a good cleaning on my PS5. Mine is a launch disc system that’s been horizontal the whole time due to the space I have for it. No problems and runs pretty quiet during play. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
Hi could tell me if your working PS5 is a 1000, 1100 or 1200 model please? (It's written under the PS5
He mentioned that he had the ps5 since launch. So his ps5’s definitely the 1000 model. Also the most recent ps5 model is 1200 so I don’t know where your 1600 came from
@@ColdFuego- Yes, its a CFI-1015A.
@@ColdFuego-
(edit July The 3th)
Thanx : Investigation results still now :
Investigation results still now :
12XX without problem : 7 gamers
10XX without problem 7 gamers
10xx shut down after 2 years (fixed by cleaning the internal power supply from dust) : 2 gamers
1116A without problem 2 gamer
1116A/B WITH CRASH SHUT DOWN PROBLEMS : 8 gamers (!!!)
1115B (digital version) without problem 1 gamer
It's not a lot but it's intéressant to see that the most gamers (almost 100%) who have issue are on the 1100 model for the moment.
@@ColdFuego- (1600 was a mistake I wanted to write 1200, I've edited)
The thing is is not all parts of the die have thermometers so if there’s a dry spot and thus a hot spot it may not detect a high temp but detect too many errors that result from a high temp and turn it off, similar to how bsod’s are triggered on windows
Have you tried replacing liquid metal with good thermal paste or the difference in temps will be too much?
I was actually thinking of doing this.
@@matthewward5849 You will be able to use it for a maximum of 10 minutes and you will be warned of high temperature, the recommended is liquid metal and not thermal paste.
Either he made the video or someone else did on replacing the liquid metal with thermal paste and it does not work
From watching your buddy The Cod3r, I have gotten the impression that the liquid metal gets out of place largely due to dropping the unit. The shock makes it splatter. It gets all over the place and shorts things out. If you lay the PS5 horizontally, it is in a more stable position and is less likely to get knocked off the entertainment center onto the floor. So whether it is just gravity or dropping that causes the problem with the liquid metal, laying horizontally is an improvement.
Really loving the recent editing style. Great transitions!
I'm not surprised, seems like launch systems have issues. I bought a launch PS1 and laser was a poor design and eventually failed. My PS5 controllers have stick drift, I tore them apart and cleaned the sticks with electronics cleaner.
Depends where the temp sensor is. It could be some place else than the dry spot, so no overheating message, just thermal protection kicking in at last second, before APU burns itself
then It's a poor design if that sensor is not catching actual overheating
@@ceramicmagic4169 this is the ps3 all over again, ps4 pro was perfect yet sony messed everything up again for their inventive fetish
@@ceramicmagic4169 That will be on AMD side of things for the sensors as it is there chips not Sony's they cant change the chips. But the problem of it has gone away so it must of been a way Sony was applying the liquid metal or brand of it as this problem only affected early models so Sony did change something to fix it.
I asked a friend of mine, who works at a game store, about the whole ‘dripping liquid metal’ thing and he said that one of the guys at the out-of-warranty repair place they use said one of the most common issues with PS5s is dry spots on the chips like this video states. The repairer thinks that most vertically placed moderately used PS5s, especially launch ones, probably have a lifespan of about 3 to 4 years before they’ll encounter dry spots on the APU. He thinks that Sony didn’t really plan for longevity with the design of the PS5. If this turns out to be true it won’t be a good look for Sony, especially considering that all of their marketing for the PS5 has it placed vertically. I’ve had mine for just over a year now and have it vertical due to lack of space in my entertainment unit. I’m curious to see if I run into any issues in the long term.
Have you forgotten the RROD? I was burning through 360s in months not years(I went through 5 of them all told), and I wasn't alone. Every single solitary person I know who had a 360 had at least one RROD. As long as a platform has good games, and eventually owns up to their mistake(MS denied the RROD problem for nearly a year) "gamers" will be very forgiving of that platform.
tell your friend to inform people about attaching dust filters, any dust in the console would wreck the liquid metal and there will be thermal imbalance, L console
@@CDRaff ps3 was worse
it's interesting to see that Sony decided this was the best way to cool the system. given the series x and PS5 basically use the same APU I wouldn't expect their cooling solutions to be so different even given their form factors, Sony obviously knew about the limitations of LM and decided to use it anyways
and soon other companies will follow cause they can sell soon to be defective products and the masses would be more then happy to buy cause liquid metal sounds hip to them. Disposable income is disposable indeed
It all comes down to cost. MS used a custom vapor chamber, but also don’t mind selling the Series X at a significant loss. Sony can’t afford to do that anymore.
I think Sony ran in to some problems with the design of it as the heat sinks are kind of a odd set up and spaced out like it was put in a later date as i think it struggled with heat problems as the fan itself is having to pull air from the front of the case when it is on the side blocked by the silly panels. That why so much heatsinks and liquid metal instead of normal paste while Xbox used the vaper chamber and good fan placement as the AMD chip can pump out some good heat when under load maybe that is why Sony clocked the chip down a bit from Xbox as they both using the same chips but Sony one is clocked down a small bit. Just what i think i have both consoles so not saying one is better.
@@MGrey-qb5xz that is very questionable. Liquid Metal is actually a better cooling solution overall
Liquid metal is far superior at conducting heat vs. thermal paste, several times better than the very best pastes, so is a more efficient interface between the chips heat sink and the cooling block.
What type of tool would you/anyone recommend to clean/reposition the liquid metal with?
I have a suggestion. Try Honeywell tpm 7950 thermal pad. I used it on my PS4 Pro and framework laptop. Both are now super quite. LTT tested it, and the conclusion is, it is on par with liquid metal.
As I don't own a PS5 yet, I can not try it myself.
Normal thermal paste can't conduct better than liquid metal.Liquid metal Thermal conductivity: 128 W/mk(average) Normal thermal paste max:14 W/mk
@@ibrahimhalil9251 liquid metal is expensive and also requires dust filters
@@ibrahimhalil9251 128 W/mk (average) for liquid metal (gallium, indium, and tin) when the best liquid metals range from 73-80 W/mk. 😂
PTM 7950 is a phase change material and it IS on par with liquid metal with none of the downsides (pump-out, dry spots, conductivity) of liquid metal. Manufacturers don’t use liquid metal on their flagship 2-3k USD+ gaming laptops, they use Honeywell PTM7950.
I had a customer last week with the same problem. His PS5 had about 8 months, very clean inside and still getting overheat. After open up, i noticed this same issue, one part of the APU was dry of metal liquid. After move around the metal liquid to cover that area, closed the PS5 and the customer had no problems at all anymore.
I have a little problem with mine it working but it doesnt showing on the monitor sometimes it showing a white light but when i tried a ps remote play it working on the remote play but not on the monitor it is because of the ac adapter ? i leave my ps5 on yesterday and when i came back then it happend thanks for reply
@@samuelgregr8451 If it's working on ps remote play, the console gpu itself is fine, i think its something wrong with the hdmi output ci.
This means that basically nothing horrible can happen? If there are errors, just check and fix the liquid metal? I'm keeping my device vertical. Does it make any sense to check the metal without having any issues? It is over 2 years old.
@@Zsolt_ If there is any problem with the liquid metal heat transfer, the console will only shutdown itself.
@@kensm2 thanks!
I just got my ps5(owned before by someone else). It immediately had this problem. I have it fixed for now but once I get the tools I’m definitely giving it a good cleaning. So helpful 😊
I like the video, but have to disagree on certain points, if a PS5 suffers from oxidation or "corrosion" in its IHS or heatsink union, it's not because the design is wrong, but because that particular unit was poorly assembled (isolated cases among thousands of consoles) and parts with defects, be it poorly sanded surfaces or defectuous nickel plating, because in theory and practice, liquid metal doesn't have to eat copper or nickel, it only melts with them at a molecular level but not to the degree of corroding as If it happens with aluminum.
And second, we have to take into account the behavior of a liquid, obviously if we separate two plates pressed together with a liquid in the middle, the surface tension will cause that layer of intermediate liquid to break and disintegrate creating those "dry spots" that can be seen when we opening the assembly (only when we opening it), but at a micro level that doesn't exist when the two plates are tight together, since the idea and purpose of the liquid metal is to create a very thin but extremely conductive layer at a thermal level, that we cannot see with the naked eye That layer doesn't mean that it's not there when everything is closed.
An example would be that you will enclose water between your two palms, if you hold it indeterminately, the water will not come out, no matter the position. But as soon as you separate them the layer disappears, the same logic occurs with liquid metal used as TIM.
That is why I would not guarantee that the PS5 has to be used in a “safer” way or another, since the position doesn't have to alter the internal layer or the integrity of the TIM.
@Kratosine I definitely agree with you this one, its like all of these repair videos, these persons dont actually know anything about liquid metal and how its actually act whe ja pressed tightly there between two area and ofc there is then dry spot when this seal is broken.
So in short, having your PS5 vertically or horizontally won’t change anything or “harm” the liquid metal.
It was the power supply on first ps5. If the power supply overheats you won’t get a warning message first. If it’s the APU it’ll pop a warning message or the board in general
Do you think that people who keep their PS5 vertical are at greater risk of the liquid metal moving about? LOL, I see that you answered this at the end of the video....I thought so. Thanks!!!
ive kept my ps5 horizontal since day one cause i think it looks better, everyone always asks me why i keep it that way instead of vertical, now i have another reason
Its designed and marketed to be vertical and all the PCs that use liquid metal are vertical so your reasons are poor
@@tyr573 yeah bro my preference on how it looks is a poor reason LMAO
Same!
@@tyr573 no? Less dust comes in the air vents if i keep it horizontal
How useful/helpful do you think those ‘vacuum holes’ are on the PS5? Would vacuuming them every now and then actually help stop any significant internal dust build up?
Just anecdotal, but I was having the same issue where my ps5 was shutting down, a lot, while playing ps5 games. I read about the vacuum holes and tried it. No more shut downs. Now I do it every couple of months and I haven’t had the issue come up again.
Hi. Could you tell us if your model is a 10000, 11000 or 12000. I try to see if these shut down problems are specific to the 11000 model...( Mine is a 1116A)
no , take it apart to clean it and then attach dust filter
@@MGrey-qb5xz Plenty of websites out there have recommended not to install aftermarket dust filters after they tested them as they restrict airflow and cause the PS5 to run hotter. Regularly cleaning your PS5 is probably the best thing to do.
Mine has been having this issue for about a month and a half now im glad there is away to fix it
So glad you made a video about this. It's so blown out of proportion. The original user had it taken apart and I'm assuming used way too much liquid metal. I've had GPUs vertically mounted with liquid metal for years and not a single issue. That's why the foam is there lol.
P.S. anytime you remove a high pressure heatsink, liquid metal and thermal paste will look like a dry spot as your pulling the interfaces apart. I've had direct die liquid metal, more intense heat, and it never dried after 3 years of water cooling.
Facts! However, trolls will be trolls.
he still recommends to have it horizontal tho 15:40
@@Medsas That’s an opinion and not scientifically proven, genius.
The foam won't stop a dry spot. Dry spots will absolutely cause 'hot spots'. My PS5 is going flat from now on.
Aren’t most boards in PC towers vertical anyway?
is the liquid metal dry on the same area of the apu every time? Could it be gravity?
Isn’t it possible that the PS5s just sitting and not being used is what’s causing the dry spots? I think you need a control case, meaning a vertical PS5 that’s actively used or at least in sleep mode in order to see how the Liquid Metal behaves.
It looked like as you cleaned oxidation off the APU that the remaining liquid metal looked "chunky". Was oxidation being left behind?
Nice editing job, Steve. I love the zoom animation. 👍
My problem is i hate to void the warranty sticker even though alot of people do it but if you send it to sony they have to void the warranty sticker when they take it apart too
I’ve been watching your content for years, I’ve learned so much from your videos. Continue the great work!
Great to hear!
This guy honestly inspired me to learn soldering and I’ve fixed a tonne of stuff I would’ve just replaced since then. Hopefully more people get inspired to do this from these vids.
My mate vince is also a great channel 👍
I am sure this has been tested before, but I would love to see you do a few different tests on a PS5 with all liquid metal removed and replaces with varying tiers of thermal paste. Kryonaut, Artic Silver, Noctua branded, the stuff you purchase by the bucket, etc. I am going to assume Sony engineered the PS5/heat sink so it would not work, but a detailed analysis would be REALLY cool to watch and learn from. Just a thought, Steve!
PS: if anyone knows of a TY channel that has done what I am describing here, please let me know their name and the name of the video so I can go check it out!
Steve did that in a previous video!
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I’m sure he has done it.
It basically doesn’t work.
Apu is hotter than thermal paste that’s why they used liquids metal
@@Leemillion_xM L console
LM will always give better thermal results then any kind of paste.
I'm curious cause I haven't seen a lot regarding it, but what about the vacuum holes Sony put on the case to clean the dust out. Would this help if dust is already caked on the heatsink?
Also, I know you attempt to fix them for content and show us the inner workings but could you send them into Sony for repairs since they are still under warranty?
no it be useless, take it apart and clean it, then attach dust filter and pray that liquid metal didn't get damaged
@@MGrey-qb5xz now I see you just have no clue what you’re talking about, and are just regurgitating incorrect talking points. Liquid metal doesn’t get damaged. I’ve had the same application of it on an i5 4670k since the cpu launched, with zero degradation. I’ve been building computers for over 25 years.
@@BenFilley casing
@@MGrey-qb5xz is a word. Which means nothing without some sort of context.
Which tool kit do you favor for a full (All Models) PS5 cleaning or tear down? Liquid metal, and everything else too.
A dust clogged serially overheating console probably bakes the thermal interface material regardless of what it’s made of. You need to revive and re-spread it if it’s metal, or clean it off and replace it if it’s traditional grease.
I can see the excess outside the two mating surfaces pooling over time towards one end, but not the material between those two surfaces due to capillary action and surface tension.
My guess is that it’s a neglected console that went through many cycles of overheating until it was thrown away, instead of just being cleaned out. The oxidised spot is probably a result, not a cause, which is why sorting it made no difference but cleaning the ventilation and heatsink fixed the problem.
Seems the 1215a is a superior variant, cleaning is key. I am not the best with tech mind you. I feel the 1215a cooling Shown is the better way of cooling & life extending.
Hi there, thanks for sharing. I've been watching your videos for a while and don't remember you addressing the possibility of switching from liquid metal to a good thermal paste. Is it really necessary to exclusively use liquid metal? Wouldn't a good thermal paste do the necessary heat transfer and avoid all the dry spots and splatter from people bumping their consoles?
He already made a video on that. Search it up. He put thermal paste on the ps5
He did a video about that, iirc the conclusion was the metal liquid is necessary
43 totally necessary screws got me laughing pretty good lol
is it a dry spot? have been wondering. is it not just a clamping problem where there is direct contact between the silicon and heat sink that squishes the liquid metal away. however the oxidation is not good as it will damage the mounting surface on the heat sink
It definitely does not give you the heat error message all the time,(never did for me) after watching your breakdown vid, i did a cleanout (stage 3) and lucked out with just a dusty heatsinc. Sper drty.....i do alot of GT7 series racing and ps would shut off after 20 to 30 min, the full clean saved me, no liquid metal issue this time🥵, love your vids! 🤜🤛
yeah this time but the heatsink being dusty means it could damage the liquid metal to not working fully, attach dust filter , no dust should be allowed in there
got mine in 2021, has been fine standing vertical since then.
Though I must say, I haven't used it all too much
Nice tutorial Steve. I think the best position for PS5 is in horizontal position rather than having in vertical one. Keep it up!
That’s just your opinion, but show me the empirical data to back up your assertion.
@@princegroove you can find it anywhere not from me, bro.
@@princegroove consider the exhaust vent location and how heat rises
I was taught close to 30 years ago that if the thermal compound is being squeezed out you've applied too much. It's only there to bridge between the die and the heatsink and fill any gaps. Ideally the gaps should be as small as possible. When I started overclocking way back when I used to wet sand and micro-polish both surfaces to get them as flat and as smooth as possible and then apply the compound with the edge of a razor blade. Never a ridge of compound left after they were married together. I think people have gotten the misconception that thermal compound has some magical properties where more of it means more heat being pulled from the processor but that's just not what it does. As soon as liquid metal came around the first thing I thought of was the fact that it remains so fluid will mean it will have to flow away from where it needs to be. Now with the board being vertical and it's just got a gravity assist to drain away. The one thing I don't see anyone try here is to remove the liquid metal, thoroughly clean both surfaces and replace with something like arctic silver and then compare temps and stability. Too many people seem to be on the "if it's new it has to be better" bandwagon.
Thermal compound has been tried and tested and its thermal conductivity is nowhere near liquid metal
Actually it's been tried. You can find it on youtube. Thermal compound overheats it and the ps5 turns off. It can't handle it. Liquid metal is the only way.
@@TheBreadSliceMaster Oh...no dispute that thermal compound has less thermal conductivity than liquid metal does but it also has WAY less negative drawbacks. I've never had it run out and short anything out. I've never had it flow away and leave dry spots like shown here. I've never had to make it a routine to go back in and reapply or spread it out over and over. Frankly I think a bigger issue is the cr*p poor heatsinks and horrifically minimal venting they put in these things. So little mass to absorb the heat in the first place. But this is what happens when you employ designers instead of engineers. Get rid of the aluminium and put in much thicker and larger solid copper heatsinks and you'll be able to pull far more heat. I used to deal with with servers all the time when they would thermal and shut down. We had multiple xeons at one of my old jobs and once we replaced all the low mass aluminium heatsinks with copper (and did nothing else) the heat issue went away. It became a standard part of the builds we would do where thermal issues were a real concern. But copper is expensive. It's also a huge waste to use so much thermal compound or liquid metal if it is leaking/running out and not doing anything to facilitate the transfer of heat from the heat spreader to the heatsink.
But it would seem people are happy to deal with a system that is plagued with thermal issues and dies because of them than to spend an extra $100. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about it. People can spend their money however they want, but it seems incredibly short sighted. And if you have to rely on something like liquid metal that means that you've overlooked something critical along the way. Then there's the foam tape they used as a stop-gap measure. That's honestly ridiculous for a company supposedly as advanced as sony. A full o-ring surrounding the die with a milled channel in the heatsink face would have fully contained the liquid metal and avoided all of these issues. But then that would have added cost and they know that most people would rather deal with a system with issues that costs less than one that is more expensive but lasts longer.
Sony, and all the other console manufacturers, are playing their customers for fools and the customers just keep getting in line again and again. It's almost masochistic.
is it really necessary for a PS5 to use liquid metal ? normal thermal compound does not cool it enough ?
Damn this channel is addictive as drugs.
About your preference to keep the PS5 horizontal I have a few points to contradict your view:
Liquid metal has to respect the laws of physics. Which means it has surface tension and it will cause it to stick to another surface (heatsink) instead of flowing down and dripping into the sponge. Just try it with a water bubble and rotate your hand. It will always adhere to your fingers. The same principle works for the PS5.
So, unless there is much to little of the liquid metal so it can‘t cover both sides (processor and heatsink) it WILL flow down. Otherwise it will keep its place.
Sorry, but the upside down hand does indicate adhesion but does not indicate cohesive forces as well, plus if you touch that drop under your hand it will flow down. Gravity will cause this fluid to flow, especially with the vibration of the console from the fan spinning. There should have been enough preloaded Liquid Metal to prevent this from being an issue. If that volume between the APU and the processor is full then there is no where for the fluid to flow.
@@MissxLariz I’ve had mine in a vertical position for 2 years. There’s absolutely no evidence that one is better than the other. The only time mine overheated was when it needed cleaned (used this guys video to do it) and it’s worked great since. Dust is what’ll get it to overheat first. Unless you’re unlucky and got one that’s a dud. Mine was dusty like the one in this video.
@@MissxLariz In order for a dry spot to exist with corrosion, there has to be a small amount off air trapped in that space. This means either not enough metal is used to fill the void or it’s leaking out. Either are not good
@@heavymetal_cutting_fabrication I would agree that dust is way more of an enemy than the Liquid Metal issue. I would be willing to bet that dust may be amplifying the bare spot issue.
I haven't had a single issue and it's been vertical the whole time. I'll try and make space to place it horizontally, just to be safe.
Hi could you tell us if your model is a 10000, 11000 or 12000 one? I'm suspecting a problem only with the 11000 one (I've 1116A) (it's written under the PS5) Thank you
Yikes,not great news to see this. Definitely concerning for a $500 console.
I just got disc ps5 last week. Im standing mines up hoping it’s broken by the time the slim version comes out because i have warranty
I posted this video on the PS5 Reddit and of course the mods removed it, the censoring on that sub is unreal. My day 1 PS5 died about two months ago, would just randomly shut down…..started happening more and more frequently until graphical afrifacts started so bad it was unplayable.
My PS5 did the same thing. I have the day one and all I had to do was clean it With a shot vat cleaning kit and it worked just fine did not spread or open my p s 5 once Has been working normal ever since. It cost me 50 bucks to get the vacuum cleaner kit. Around the heat sink and that was it
If Sony and Microsoft intended to design consoles with the primary purpose of accumulating dust inside, they couldn't have designed consoles better that the PS5 and Xbox Series X. The vents on these consoles, when the consoles are stood vertically, are perfect for allowing dust into them. As soon as my consoles arrived, I was straight online looking for dust covers designed specifically for them. Just remember to remove the dust cover when using the console, because it's easy to forget, only to be reminded when the fan has to work so hard that you can hear it over the audio in your headphones.
Xbox has no problems.
Yea both systems have issues. I have both. Especially when you have a limited area for them such as an entertainment center. The series x is a DUST MAGNET. I had to buy screens and a top for it that came with fans....now it runs cool as ice. The PS5 is much better dust wise... But I have fan vents with screens and an exhaust fan on it that keeps it cold too. Without all the accessories.... Ive never overheateded either.... But they have been way hotter than I was comfortable with. I've already replaced my series x once. It was a 1st gen..... Notable disc drive problem. New one seems to work better. I'd advise to purchase insurance on your machines. Saved my from buying the second x box. PS5 has been a champ the whole time
That's why Sony started letting us have access to the fan and part of the heatsink so we can clean them . They started doing this with the PS4 slim and pro. You can pop the top plates off and remove the fan to clean it and get some compressed air Into the heatsink to blow any dust out. Same with the ps5
@@patrickallen4374 wait as in for when console is off or running, can you tell the name of thing u bought?
@@patrickallen4374how long you’ve had your ps5 for and is it still running good?
Pulled mine apart it wasn’t even close to being this dirty, but it still over heats and shuts down
Do you think that keeping the PS5 vertical contributes to the dry spot forming and better to keep it horizontal or does that matter? Also how long should we wait before checking the liquid metal on our systems? Thx! I see you answered my question at the end of the video I should have waited until it was finished before asking. Thanks for the information I am now keeping mine horizontal just to be on the safe side.
Wondering this myself
There is a series x at my local pawn shop for 300, I almost got it until I saw how bad the dust and grime was on the bottom vents.
Mine has been on since it came out. Never had a problem with it, never cleaned it. Been almost 3 years and purring like a kitten with 9tb of memory.
You might be right about the dry spot but I fixed my ps5 by just removing the fan and cleaning deep down into the unit it stopped crashing
Sold my PS5 about 3 weeks ago as I've moved back to PC gaming but still this was very interesting, thanks!
@@juliuscaesar7715 Since I got a new PC and a Steam deck I switched back to pc gaming and I just wasn't using my PS5 at all, not even an hour a week, so I decided to sell it.
Mine never has given me a warning, it just shuts off within 20-30 minutes of gameplay....ive done a stage 3 cleaning that lasts a month or so id say and then goes right back to shutting off, so willing maybe to do this liquid metal, hoping that can fix things....ugh
Same thing happened to me yesterday when i'm playing FFXVI demo. So i asked an expert to come and check my ps5. He find out there's a dry spot on my ps5 and repasted the liquid metal. My ps5 working fine w/o overheating, i even beat the demo after that. Good luck on fixing your ps5
@@MaxiUsagi where did you get it looked at?
@@R2B2YT a local expert on my country (indonesia), i find his contact information from a playstation group on facebook
Ive had my PS5 since launch but since i heard that story about the liquid metal i been using it vertical and its staying that way to be safe since my warranty is out. Keep them vids coming👍
I though vertical use was the issue
@@benterry28 dust also causes liquid metal to pool up and dry and collect on the cooler parts of the apu, both ps5 and xbox series are huge dust magnets but ps5 suffers the most from it, L console
You must mean horizontal wright 🥴😂
Bro I loved this video SO MUCH. I really hope you do more
Man, every time I watch videos like these - I can't stop thinking of how horribly greedy Sony is that they couldn't spend a few more $$$ to put a plastic or metal mesh dust filter on both sides of fan intakes (instead of useless "fan finger guards" that they currently use) so the dust would accumulate on top of those dust filters and could easily be vacuumed by every user without further disassembly.
Dont forget its a business they want you to spend.
I bet PS5 fanboys would cover their ears, pretending nothing bad has happened to PS5. They would always say "PlayStation5 the only current gen gaming system!"
Well tbf sony is already selling them at a loss theyre making money back through games, subscriptions, and accessories
@@TheGintama86 I'll also give the benefit that at least the PS5 is super easy to self-maintain. It's kinda built in a way to be opened up.
To be fair. Sony probably does tests in a well ventilated clean environment. I see it as a good thing because people really shouldn’t be living in dusty environments. And if your room accumulates the amount of dust to cause your ps5 heat sink to clog up. that’s not good.
We cant really just open our ps5d anf check of it jas a dry spot or not. Nor can we just clean the heatsink since removing the warranty sticker isnt a good idea if it still jas warranty. Also the spills usually happem when the system has been opened and the seal has been messed with.
Warranty Void stickers are not enforceable in the US and are more of an anti-consumer deterrent.
Is that what my issue is? I’ve had a PS5 since launch and my console will run PS5 games for about 30-45 minutes and then turn off. I’ve tried deep cleaning, rebuilding the database, wiping the console clean etc. Has anyone else overcame the overheating issues or should I just purchase a new model?
My launch ps5 is still ticking. However, this makes me want to have the liquid metal looked at asap.
Also...oof...my ps5 is vertical....
I wonder if replacing the liquid metal with thermal paste could solve this, at least in terms of longevity
That'll just cause the PS5 to overheat.
It overheats. It needs LM
That transition was fire!
It shows again that Sony really cheaped out on the cooling, especially the heatsink, of the PS5.A nd as the consoles grow older, that problem will only get worse. Not an XBOX fanboy, but that thing stays cool at least. Guess they learned their lesson the hard way during the "Ring of death"-scandal with the 360...
Liquid Metal is “cheaping out???
@@CrimsonGear80 Indeed. Liquid metal is not that much more expensive than a decent thermal paste. Especially if you buy large amounts in bulk. And it is for sure way cheaper than a bigger thermal solution with more copper and aluminium. Rumors have it that Sony NEEDED the liquid metal as kind of an emergency solution after they figured out that the PS5 would overheat with that heatsink when using normal TIM. Also, the APU on the Xbox Series X is really similar. Why do you think Microsoft is using that massive vapor chamber if it would not be necessary? Also, that is not a new behavior from Sony. A have an OG PS4 and a phat XBOX One, sitting next to each other. You may have a guess which one runs cooler and more quiet... And to prove, that IO am not a fanboy (in fact the arguments above did not reach you), I like that Sony consoles for the easy and relatively cheap storage expension. Something the XBOX never really had... Also, I mostly use my PCs, which is also how I learned about cooling electronics properly.
Hi could you tell us if your model is a 10000, 11000 or 12000 one? And if you have any crash issue (shut down with Only PS5 games)
I'm suspecting a problem only with the 11000 one (I've 1116A) (it's written under the PS5) Thank you
@@Thommygun-qv7umits literally been proven by many people that xbox runs hotter wtf are you on about 🤣
why would you put liquid metal on the heatsink and the APU? Isn't that too much which causes more issues
that dry spot is where the heat sits when you shut it down immediately after hours of playing. i make it a habit to cool down my consoles for like 3-5 minutes before shutting them down. my 14yr old ps3 slim 6 yr old ps4 slim runs like new on their stock thermal paste. now that i have the ps5, i'm making sure to cool it down before turning it off to disipate the heat inside.
Impressive! If you don't mind me asking, when you say "cool down", what kind of cool down method are you using before shutting your systems off?
Hey theres a theory out there that thermal pumping is the actual cause of the dry spots and that placing the console vertically makes it worse. This may be due to the camp force not being strong enough as sony wants to reduce the risk of apu damage at the factory. Might make a great video to test this theory by increasing the clamp force by adding washers to the screws. I believe Ps3 and 4 has similar issues too.
I got silly question. Can we just replace the liquid metal with normal thermal paste?
i really love your videos sir as its always informative BASED on your different experiences on your repairs..sharing your knowledge and experiences to all of us lessens the tendencies of broken or unrepairable game consoles because of not carefully handling them..best example as always is cleaning the console..for me its always the key to prolong a game console's lifespan... though we all know the YLOD and other light of death on other consoles that is always inevitable at least in their lifespan we took good care of them before their demise,,,, Nice Video Sir!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
My first playstation probably had a problem like this. I've returned it to get a new one and didn't had a problem since.
It really depends on the console
I never understand how devices can get dusted up on the inside like shown in your videos, and others here on YT. I'm very lazy and only clean occasionally, but my devices never look like that lol
Probably depends where you live. In a city you have more dust than in rural areas. That's at least my observation since it gets dusty all around fast.
You are looking at the wrong problem. The liquid can get under the black foam and stickers around cpu and bridge stuff. That seems to happen more then it should. Seen some video of this problem
with liquid metal usually less is more the amount you put on at the end is quite scary
Even the initial 2 beads that he put on would have been more than enough for both the heatsink and chip. Also, he didn't even remove the old liquid metal from the chip and heatsink. To properly apply the new liquid metal, he should have used the old liquid metal or a small bead to get the oxidation cleaned off, then cleaned everything off, then used a very small bead of liquid metal on each surface and spread it as much as you can to cover the surfaces. This would create a good contact between the heatsink and chip with no risk of squeezing out liquid metal all over inside the unit.
This is based on my expirence of delidding and using liquid metal on my old 6700k, 8700k, and watercooling my 3090 and I have never had any issues with liquid metal seeping out or degredation of parts in over 5 years of use.
@@ravencrovaxoh wow…that’s way more experience then him hey?! Jeebus
@@KkevrockK I never said that I was more expirenced than he was, did I? No. I just listed my expirence with using liquid metal on my own equipment. Also, just because someone has a lot of expirence with something, that doesn't mean that they are doing it in the optimal way.
If someone is truely interested in learning about a topic or skill and sharing what they have learned with others, they should always be willing to listen to outside suggestions and take logical advice.
Can you tell the tools you are using please and thank you
I wished there was an easier way to clean a PS5 without almost fully taking it apart.
They have vacuum ports on the inner case. There’s two holes on the fan side, that to put a vacuum hose to. I use to use them, when I lived in a very, very dusty area with a dog.
Fall or drop... Like in shipping?
Phil says "Yes". I think a simple precaution if it is indeed an issue is to either lay the PS5 horizontal OR every month or so flip it 180 so the flow goes the opposite direction. I just flipped mine.
Surface tension between the APU and heat sink prevents the liquid metal from moving at all when PS5 is standing vertically.
I wonder what caused it to oxidize that badly...
Could heat really do that to LM?
If so, thats a serious design-flaw in the PS5, especially considering how close it runs to its thermal shut-off point.
It would basically be a countdown until it either refuses to boot, or melts itself.
dust i assume, even a small amount of it can cause dry spots and not make it work properly, liquid metal is trash and hopefully stay away from gaming laptops
I had the same issue with my ps5 keep shutting down recently and then I checked the psu for dust and since I cleaned it I haven’t had any further shut downs
If my launch model doesn’t randomly turn off and have had no issues with it, you still think there is a chance it has a dry spot already purely from heat cycles?
That's what the man says. 16:20
Launch model has larger heatsink and runs 3C cooler than newer PS5 (CFI-1100) so there is bit more headroom.
I just don’t believe the liquid moves *that* much when pressed up against the heatsink, unless of course it’s been dropped. Especially with factory seal on xclamp I’m curious but not enough to open it.
Yes, I think there is a chance that it has one. No way for me to know for sure though.
Do you think keeping a PS5 in the vertical position would cause the liquid metal to shift to one end?? I keep mine that way with no issue but who knows
The first reason of liquid metal leakage is the fact that sony put too much on apu and heatsink, if you simply suck it up a little and re-spread you will be absolutely fine.
I actually think that there isn't enough on them.
@@Tronicsfix pobably you're right, but if there is the right amount i don't think it should run around when the clamp is attached, but maybe i'm wrong, after all i've only seen 5 ps5
@@Tronicsfix I doubt it is a problem of too little. It is more likely that the contact patch between the heatsink and the top of the chip is either not completely flat or there is not enough pressure to keep the surface tension between the liquid metal on the two parts. Adding more liquid metal will just increase the chances of leakage on to other components, imo. A pressure map of the contact surfaces would be a much better starting point than just add more liquid metal.
The allowed gap between barrier and die is too much. If it was halved then the amount of extra LM that could "leak" would lower. The other issue on oxidation is probably fail/ defect in the amount or time in production of the níquel barrier on the heatsink. Without níquel barrier LM or its main component Gallium will " soak up"/ diffuse in the heatsink leaving dry metals like indium, bismuth and so on. Gallium alloys need strong acids to break oxidation.
In the PC building circuit where LM was first introduced by Kryonaught for replacing the thermal paste between the CPU and IHS, less was more. Too much LM and you risked leakage. Part of the process was to coat the surrounding CPU solder with nail polish to prevent the LM from damaging components.
Having a "dry spot" is indicative that the contact pressure between the APU and the heatsink isn't flush due to flatness or the heatsink isn't actually torqued down properly in the right places. Pushing it away from the die and creating the voids. You know there is too much LM on that APU because it's actually pooling around the APU. That extra LM is doing nothing for cooling.
Man at least you got a message to tell you whats wrong 😂
about time a youtuber with a higher subscription number brought this up, been telling customers this for over a year. The LM oxidation is a big issue.
It does seem to be an issue
“Big”
That’s a reach.
I've had my ps5 since day 1. Been vertical the whole time. On 6 to 10 hours a day. Zero overheating problems. Clean it every month with my rechargable air gun. Recently took it completely apart to check liquid metal and it looked factory brand new. Added some additional liquid metal to be safe and reassembled. Have had zero overheating issues ever.
@@brandonerrorcontentmissing4012 Bruh, these people are trying to tarnish PlayStation’s reputation with their disingenuous propaganda. 😂
Dude! This is what’ll happen to me! Especially on hot days it’ll just turn off after an hour, no overheat warning or anything! Then turn on with that same loss of power error. I gave it a thorough cleaning but I never attempted to look at the board myself because I didn’t want to take it apart that far. I bet my issue is the same result on the board! I’m gonna have a look under the hood again but I was about to go and buy a slim. How do I do this as a complete newbie?
Omg I been waiting for this video from u yur my source of tech issues on consoles thank u 🙏
Hope this is helpful
@@Tronicsfix I thought we would have another red ring of death like issue with the PS five due to the liquid metal controversy. i’m glad you explained it.
Man i wish i could be ur apprentice! This is literally everything i want to do for a career! Im going into IT this fall and hope to be where youre at someday
Great video! Do ever add liquid metal or are you always spreading what is already there?
Keeping the fan ventilation clear of dust and debris is much much much more important than taking the system apart for liquid metal maintenance (Just wanted to post this, TronicsFix would agree!)
Keep the system fan and ventilation holes clean and your system should last a long time
I’d say keeping the heat sinks free of dust is of the utmost importance but maybe you implied that as well
@@captaincrunch1707 yup, the ventilation holes feed straight to the heatsink fins
I kept mine horizontal since I got it until I wanted to switch it up vertically and then I learned about this issue and placed my PS5 back horizontally.
As soon as I found out they were using Liquid Metal I was never going to have mine vertical.