2 Projects to help you Build Better: Space Engineers Prompt & Showcase
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- A couple projects I've been working on, and why you should try them out too.
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I like using merge blocks to build space hulks which is really just a whole bunch of space debris and damaged ships bound together
I've only ever heard the term "Kitbashing" in tabletop wargames like the Ironic Warhammer 40k. This idea sounds fun. It's like the "Uglies" from Star wars.
It is most commonly used in physical model making, but I think it's accurate for SE as well. Your "kit" is just other blueprints in this case. It's definitely a fun project.
@@ShiftyshadowTV You know what even in star wars canon/lore "Corellian Engineering" who made the Millennium Falcon designed a "Kitbash" from which the iconic ship was developed from. Depending on what side of the Star wars Universe you happen to support of course.
@@djphroop Huh, interesting.
My process is similar, I have a kind of blueprint "library" of interior rooms and modules (landing gears, a rover bay, an automated cruise missile assembler/launcher etc) and I arrange them in fun different ways and the try to encase it in nice looking, nicely shaped armor.
Kitbashing has been a long and illustrious tradition in the sci-fi space.
Star trek and star wars did it quite a bit, check out EC henry's channel for a bunch of 3d renders of background kit bash ships. for star trek, the nebula, yeager and new orleans class ships were all kitbashes.
Honestly, I totally suck at designing ships and stations so retrofitting pre-existing designs is the majority of my shipbuilding. So when you said that the economy designs have "room for improvement", you weren't kidding. Most of the designs are from years ago and can definitely benefit from being upgraded, modernized, and having redundant blocks replaced with newer streamlined (or modded) blocks.
Retrofitting is the way to go for a lot of people. It's a great way to play the game if you don't want to spend a lot of time building. I've had more time in the past for building, but recently I've found myself retrofitting my own builds more often than building new ones.
the new beds are such a game-changer. They've allowed me to fully flesh out my interiors the way I intended, and it's allowed me to get back into space engineers.
They are some of the best DLC in the game.
@@ShiftyshadowTV agreed, along with the other accompanying blocks.
@@Savsgames The new inset blocks really did expand design options.
Righy you are! I live in a prospector now.
I'm pretty sure that the primary designer of the KSH ships was Aragath(sp?). From comments he's made here and there, I suspect the gravity generators were added later literally because the block was added after he did the original design. Later builds then had to conform to the style of previous ones, and he was prohibited from using DLC blocks as well. In any case, the IP belongs to the company rather than the employee, so.
Cool. I'm probably clear to upload things. I'll put a note at the top giving credit to the Keen Software House team. If I can find any original blueprints I'll link them.
That's kinda what I figured with the gravity generators, but I wasn't sure. They've been around for a long time. The ships were made long before DLC existed though.
@@ShiftyshadowTV Some of them were made before DLC, but not all. The ships that you buy don't (usually) have DLC components, but the NPC editions of the same ships that you can find flying around often do.
@@BrianRonald Indeed
As a (poor) example, the LCC3 freighter is just the RUST freighter with a slightly different interior, and different paint scheme.
@@robertdelaney7033 Interesting, I haven't played with vanilla Encounters and NPCs in a while I guess.
You brought up kitbashing and I remembered the first time I heard that phrase, iirc, was in an old magazine called Car-Toons. Two guys were making models, one a stealth bomber and the other a drag car, and the the jet body falls onto the car. They then decided to make an RC, to-scale replica, and ended up wanted by the FBI.
Irrelevant story aside, you earned a new sub here. Nice presentation and redesigns.
That's wild, hahaha. Thanks, glad you enjoyed.
Ladders: When I'm in a rush no. If I'm just chillin, absolutely love em for the compactness they provide
Yeah, they have great utility. I put them on a lot of builds in case I'm in a no-jetpack situation. When I'm not I fly up them though XD.
If you have the ladder shaft you can just look up to the ladder above or down to the one a floor below you and spam F. Fastest way to move up or down floors.
@@Yukimaru0 For sure, this is the only way I use ladders XD. It's faster than flying too.
In the same vein as your kitbashing approach, a thing I like to do regularly is just design parts of a ship without a final ship in mind. Just try variants on crew quarters, a cafeteria, a hangar, a bridge, a corridor, an airlock, an engine nacelle, each in isolation just seeing what I can do within different sizes and shapes. That experience has been invaluable to draw upon so many times when it came to building specific ships. In theory, I could've saved those modules as blueprints and kitbashed them together, but in practice I simply remember all the little tricks. And perhaps more importantly, you develop a sense of how much space a given function needs. Having that instinct saves so much grief.
As you said, developing a sense of space is extremely useful when designing a ship. It's something a lot of newer builders don't realize they lack, I think, and it leads to difficulty making things work.
It's one of the reasons I recommend most people build functional blocks first then the hull around it. Instead of falling into the trap of making a cool looking hull, then not being able to fit anything inside it, or ending up with tons of dead space. You can do hull-first, but you really need a solid understanding of what you want inside it and how much room it will take. Generally it's a more difficult build, if you want it to function well too.
@@ShiftyshadowTV Exactly: hull-first results in bad interiors every time. Exterior form should mostly follow from interior function.
With experience and iteration, we have plenty of latitude in arranging the interior, so we can end up with roughly the exterior shape we want. I strongly recommend writing a checklist of necessary blocks and features. Segmenting the ship with bulkheads and doors is a good idea. This is also a good moment to blueprint the design and set up a repair projection, in case hull construction goes awry.
Adding and shaping the hull is certainly a skill, but there are so many techniques that even a beginner can do an okay job. They'll improve and develop their own style with time. The inevitable interior gaps are a good place for extra batteries, timer blocks, etc.
Then it's a matter of carefully naming and grouping everything, tidying up the control panel, automating what you can (airlocks, startup and shutdown sequences, etc), setting up interfaces and button panels for effortless usability, and taking the ship out for a shakedown cruise or two. Honestly this takes at least as long as the initial build to do it right.
Sorry for the Tolstoy. I got carried away!
@@mattp1337 Haha, all good. Sounds like we have very similar ship building ideologies.
I always have a checklist, and reference it often to make sure I don't forget something crucial early in the build. Often times (especially for small grid) I draw up a conveyor and room layout on graph paper too. The larger the ship the more detailed the blueprint, because it's harder to remember everything and stay on track.
@@ShiftyshadowTV Trying out ideas on paper is often a good step, It does bias toward 2D thinking, but for most ship designs, that is fine.
In warhammer, converting a model to be from the Ork faction is often called “looting”, maybe we should call Turing vanilla ships in space engineers into pirate ships “Plundering”
Haha, I like it.
@@ShiftyshadowTV I’ll put up pictures on discord one of these days
One more thing. “Plundering” your own ships can also be surprisingly fun.
I definitely like to modify/retrofit workshop ships when im not feeling inspired, however my favorite thing to do is to turn them into full modular ships (you know with connectors and merge blocks). Thanks for the reminder on the economy ones, I tend to forget about them but I already have some ideas! Should probably also make a hangar for this too.
Edit: I just realized who you are, I've used your ship Luna in a few playthroughs. Great ship
Definitely, modular projects are fun too. I've done a few myself. Glad your getting some use out of Luna!
Did exactly this with the B-60 Bulk Freighter. Switched out the hydrogen thrusters for Ion, and added breaking thrusters too. Among other things, the end result was a ship that could travel across Space Engineers as efficiently as possible with multiple means to recharge batteries (Solar Panels, Nuclear Reactors, Wind turbines, and Hydrogen Engines). Added 2 refiners and a crafter (fully upgraded with mods, focusing on q balance of efficiency and speed/yield) into the item transfer network (which did end up up shrinking the 2 side rooms into a single cafe area and bed for 1.
Added pistons to both side connectors to allow much easier docking, allowing you to dock then pull the ship in as needed.
Reorganized the thrusters and removed the no longer used Hydrogen piping to create vehicle bay below the rear landing bay, allowing a ramp and land vehicle be deployed on planets.
Added gun turrets to create a full around defense, mainly for asteroid defense.
Added o2 generators, more batteries, an additional 2 Jump Drives.
Overall it made the ship nearly a complete 1 stop shop mobile base.
I didn't like dealing with Hydrogen because I didn't like dealing with an explosive tank, and also didn't like the extra resource hassle of finding Ice, especially when I couldn't find any ice for the longest time. Plus having options to switch off the reactor and recharge planetside just felt better long term for exploring.
Had my small scale Mining ship I used to grind the cash in Survival to buy the B-60 and the poor ion fighters I constantly bought and salvaged to get the thruster components before I was able to find a good amount of Platnium parked on the rear landing pad, ready to go whenever.
How do you get on and off a planet without hydrogen? (I know there are plenty of ways, just curious which you're using.)
I love ladders, I put them as the main access-route to any & all areas of my base where I don't actually need to go.
Hahaha.
7:00- I always finish the ship and then go 'oh, F--- GYROS!".
It happens to all of us at some point. Haha.
One of my favorite thing to do was make blueprints of all the random encounter derelicts and try to rebuild them in creative. Having the ship torn open/apart like they are when found in survival is a great opportunity to see inside the inner workings and get ideas for improving things on my own designs. Then, i'd rebuild the ships again making my own changes to them.
One of my favorite ships to tinker with was the "corvette" random encounter since it was based off a very old design and had been redone several times before finally being added as a random encounter meaning the insides are a jumbled mess leaving a ton of opportunity to change things and test ideas. I probably have 10 iterations of that one ship alone.
Nice, I also always grab a blueprint of the random encounters. I've only reworked a few of them though.
i love ladders! they immerse me more, and i dont mind them
What a cool video! I love the modifications you made.
Thanks, it was a fun project.
Okay, I somehow never thought of just.. retrofitting stuff that already exists. For some reason, I was always of the mindset that I have to come up with my own stuff.
I will endeavour to retrofit. This sounds sensible.
Good luck and have fun!
With economy its pretty quick and easy to get a the small hauler, they are only like 5 million and thats doable with just a few loads of cobalt ore (few k), magnesium or refined magnesium (sometimes as little as 120 refined magnesium)
that said, ripping out the large engines gives you enough room to do what ever, add a refinery, drill, add more thrusters of course.... but really you can do what ever you want and its often pretty quick.
that said... the fun challange, start with a space survival pod. then keep it, add on to it, build it up, and keep as much of it as you can (this gets funny when you add on pistons and merge blocks, cut part of the ship away, extend it out with the piston, then build and reconnect with the merge block. Usually you can keep AT LEAST the cargo, batteries, h2, and engine... though i often like to swap the ion thrusters for the sci-fi ones.
People complained endlessly when they got rid of ladders (they were buggy at the time), then there was much rejoicing when they re-added them. And now you only ever seem to see them being used for aesthetics rather than something practical unless it's on a station or base or something static. They're genuinely useful when you have limited hydrogen for your jet pack or you're doing a no jetpack play through of some kind.
Yeah, I add them to builds in case I run out of jetpack fuel, or don't have one, but I never climb them if I do.
Same, I use them to keep things efficient for space, and in case im low on hydrogen for my jetpack.
Ladders is something that I put in places where they look good, but where I won't be going often. Ladders can also be used as structural pieces and that's probably the best use for them.
A cool feature they could add is the ability for players to buy and sell ships or blueprints to each other on an in-game exchange for space credits
That would be really cool. Load blueprints into a data pad or something.
Amazing job!
Will you consider making a pirate NPC mod with your "New Age Pirates" fleet for MES? The Mothership would make a great boss encounter.
Yes, I'm hoping to do so. I have not ever made that type of mod before, but I think I'll be able to figure it out. *fingers crossed*
I love NAPs too, think I'm gonna take one right now.
Excellent editing on the ships and the video! I enjoyed this alot 👊
Thanks, both were interesting projects.
@@ShiftyshadowTV I can imagine! By editing is mild with moments of brilliance and frustration lol. Best of luck to you and keep up the good work 👍
I think I have an unhealthy addiction to ladders in my ships... I just love the cramped industrial crawlspaces and ventilation shafts. They make me feel things in my soooul
They're nice looking, and great for adding access to tight spaces. I'm just not patient enough to climb them, unless I have no jetpack.
One of the first things I "designed" was to put a drill on a really long conveyer tube(15 at least). I call it the mosquito, or probuscuss. I had to then make, the "suckulator", and "dumper outer". A sorter, connecter combo with stones white listed on the sorter, and trash all on the connector.
I first put this design on the little yellow ship. The Duck.
Haha, I like it. I do something similar on my large grid utility ships to this day. Only instead of conveyors I use 2-3 pistons, so the proboscis can be retracted. Same setup for tossing rocks.
@@ShiftyshadowTV Noice;)
I'm the one guy who likes ladders. I like the atmosphere of climbing up in the calm, sort of anticipation knowing I'm about to go do something crazy, or the frantic climbing when I'm desperately trying to get to where I need to be (but only if I know its not actually urgent lol.)
I’ll take your ladders I find they’re more space efficient if you use them correctly 😅
19:16 I don’t think you can use that landing pad anymore especially since the antenna gives you about 1 1/2 blocks to work with… but either way loving the ship so far!! 😍
Excellent! You can have them all! Haha, yeah. Maybe one of my small fighters could sneak in there.
I agree that ladders have their place. I use them occasionally. If you could climb them 100% faster and the dismount at the top was smooth I'd love them.
@@ShiftyshadowTV 100% faster? Boy I’d love that! 😆
@@chrisbacon3071 That's the dream.
Hi Shifty. This is a great video. I have done lots of reworking the economy since i started playing. I've played so much now that I recognized and called out each each ship section in your kit bashed mothership even with your modernizing them. I know each of those ships well and I agree they make great projects. Some of them are made by Aragath and some are StreamBG. Really enjoyed this look forward to more.
Awesome, thanks for the heads up on the creators, I'll look into getting the other ships out. I've done quite a few retrofits of the economy ships myself, but I can't say I could name them all. Most of them maybe.
Never heard of this game but referred by the algorithm b/c I love Satisfactory. Reminds me a bit of Starfield’s ship crafting which I loved. Might check this one out! Great vid! Cheers!
I don't know how similar it is to Satisfactory or Starfield, as I've never played them, but Space Engineers is fun if you like designing things, making up your own challenges, and experimenting with mods. The Steam workshop is filled with a decade of great blueprints to use, mods to explore, and NPCs to fight.
As with any multiplayer game, it's significantly more fun with friends. I recommend joining a friendly server or playing with someone who knows the game already. It will make learning the basics way easier and jumpstart your enjoyment.
If you decide to give it a go, you're welcome to stop by my discord. It's fairly laid back and we run a server which is primarily PvE. (Discord link in video description.)
I do actually like ladders in certain places. Use them a lot in engineering and on the outside of ship for high gravity planets to save on hydrogen.
Despite what I say, I do build with ladders often. I like the way they look, I just hate the way they feel to use. If they were faster, and the dismount was smooth, I'd love them.
I have over 2000 hours on SE and this still helped me improve
The more you play the more you realize that there's always room for improvement. That's part of what makes a great game. :)
Great video!
I've done exactly your suggestion a few times! When I'm at a loss for an original starting concept, I like to sort workshop blueprints by date and go to the oldest ones from circa 2015. More than a few are invalid now due to time-sensitive exploits and scripts, or fundamental game changes. But it's still cool to revisit someone's original ideas from nearly a decade ago. Some designs really age well. Others tried hard (too hard) to do more than was really practical with the limited block sets available at their time. Some of the workaround or kludges people used to use can still apply for greebling today.
And personally, I also like to set certain specs to (re)design to -- maybe the accounting department demands that we cut costs (PCUs) or mass by 10%+ without compromising the ship's functions and/or aesthetics. Maybe an older design had fatal flaws in air tightness, or isn't 1g / atmospheric flight capable (back when planets didn't exist in the SE universe) -- and your local spaceflight agency has introduced scope creep into the mission, requiring a rebuild to bring up to spec. :D
Or for new concepts from scratch, I"m not the most artistic guy, so I again like to pick roles and specs to build toward. It also helps to develop a program of features for the ship, like how architects start by creating a program for what a new project is required to do. I've had a lot of fun building within the aforementioned PCU or mass constraints. Or as one very specific example, I build and retrofit racing ships to various performance requirements. This gets a lot deeper when using the Relative Speed Mod to raise top speed up to a modest 300 m/s, and Draygo Korvan's aerodynamics mod, which creates air resistance and lifting surface effects using only existing vanilla armor blocks if so desired. A very particular 3rd place for me goes to a hydrogen fuel mass mod, so that I have to take O2 and H2 mass into account when a ship's tanks are both full and near empty.
Yeah, even looking through my old builds there are some great opportunities for retrofitting. I've been playing since the first months SE was out on Steam and most of my builds from the early years are purely Ion Thrusters. It was the way. Now I'd update them to mixed systems: mainly hydrogen with a few ion and upwards atmospheric.
Adding specs to shoot for is a great idea when you're retrofitting. It gives you a clear direction to work towards, which I think is a trouble point for a lot of people new to building. I usually pick a less strict theme just to get my wheels turning. If it turns out different, no big deal. A lot of time inspiration strikes me halfway through a build.
The LLC-3 is one of my favorite ships to redesign, in my newest design I managed to squeeze in a refinery an upgraded assembler w speed upgrades and a few new reactors. It's exterior is also retrofitted with assault turrets and rocket launcher turrets. It was a fun redesign, maybe I'll try kit bashing, see what I can make.
Sounds cool. You should definitely try it, even just slapping two ships together. The result is always unique and fun.
This video gave me the inspiration to do a game where I cannot build my own ships. I have to buy and retrofit the economy ships.
Sounds like a fun playthrough, good luck!
nice. I started a new game where i only use the starter ship in space. I had to rebuild the entire thing so it wouldnt despawn if something happened. It now has more thrusters, weapons, refiners, a hangar bay for ships ect. was fun changing it to fit needs
Sounds like a fun playthrough.
The trick I've always used is to just start on a new ship every time you get a little bored of your current ship. This way, you have hundreds of blueprints of half built ships you have to sort though every time, and barely any finished ships to show for the thousands of hours you've played the game.
Hahaha, sounds about right. I only complete things that I plan to use in survival at some point.
I really enjoy this. The idea of retrofitting ships is so... idk why I´ve never done it... I mean, I shy back from retrofitting my OWN ships XD this may have given me some new steam
It's definitely worth giving a try. I find it very relaxing.
Ladders actually act as a seat if you have to jump. Saved me a few times in the ship tunnels! Also great vid, Subed.
Cool, I actually did not know that.
I like climbing ladders in Space Engineers
It makes it feel more realistic I think and looks cool in engine rooms and the like,
but...
I only (most of the time) employ them, where I don't go too often, because their slow speed is a bit of a hassle.
They definitely look cool, and I use them myself fairly often. They need to be twice as fast though, and the dismount at the top feels terrible.
Retro fit the red and blue capital ship and see what you can come up with. At some point in one of my save, i retrofitted the red capital ship into a land moving mining platform.
Dang, that a pretty extreme change. Haha, sounds cool though.
I love "mutation builds" in truth for me, no 2 economy ships are the same. i buy them then modify them for what i'm currently doing in my play. the hauler being one of my fav's and sometimes becoming ice miners, others pure h2 ships with some guns, in others pure atmospheric.
Though as yo know my fav mutations in the starting rescue ship. that thing gets turned into everything from mining ships, cargo ships its had atmosphic and h2 thrusters added to it...
Its even been turned into a Luxury ship complete with jump drive.
I'm that guy! Always looking for ways to save hydrogen, while engaging in activities requiring vertical displacement.
Haha, here you go.
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Enjoy! XD
I generally slap a gravity generator on my miners so they can poop out the stone. And with negative Gs it shoots it away from my ship.
I love retrofitting existing builds, it's much easier for me than making my own from scratch... There's one I've been really wanting to rebuild at a 2:1 scale, but I haven't been able to get myself to play.
It's definitely something a lot of people enjoy. No worries, it's a game and should be fun, play it when you feel inspired to do so.
I don't dislike ladders, but I wouldn't say I like them. In Splitsies "Scrapyard" scenario there's a few POIs that spawn that the ladders are rather rewarding... When you see ladders in it you know there's something good coming. Especially if you play it as intended where your jetpack is disabled.
Hmmm, that's cool. It's nice to get a reward for climbing them and I would definitely use them if I had no jetpack. I add them to a lot of builds specifically for that case, but I wish they were more satisfying to use in all scenarios.
I love ladders, They're so cool :)
They certainly look cool, and they give options to players who don't use jetpacks. I wish the were more satisfying to use though. Make them faster and get rid of the clunky slow top dismount and I'd love them.
@@ShiftyshadowTV I can't blame that. Personally I always liked the clunky nature of ladders so I've always designed most of my interiors with them XD
Kitbashing is what I'm good at. I am horrible at building "pretty" ships. I definitely have a style, but it's more about function. I actually have an entire space station that is 3 or 4 different NPC bases just mashed together. I added a few pieces, but you can tell what I added. You'd think with 4k hours in game I would have improved in that area, but nope. Great video, by the way.
Thanks! A KitBashed space station sounds pretty cool. Not everyone ends up good at building from scratch, we all have our strengths and weaknesses and that's just fine. As long as you're having fun you're doing it right.
I personally like function over form builds, most of mine start that way. After a lot of practice I've figured out a style which I can apply after designing my ships which will make them look decent. XD Most of my grids are functional bricks + decoration.
I have both an F22 and F35 that came from somebody's F22 build, thing had like 60 small reactors and nothing plumbed in. I found out after I printed in survival. (Couple years ago). I cut it up and rebuilt it. Had to build a telehandler as well to move parts and also batteries without losing power cells.
Concerning ladders, they were removed from the game early on and a huge number of players asked (begged really) keen to re-add them (which they did in 2018 or 2019, can't remember which). Then, there are servers (server admins) and players that turn off/disable the use of the jet pack, so you'd be in bad shape without ladders.
I've done a few playthroughs without jetpacks myself. I definitely use ladders and actually think they're a great block. What I don't like is how slow they are and how clumsy the top dismount is. Fix those two things and they would be in my top 5 favorite block types.
I think the reason I give them grief is because they're so close to being so much better.
@@ShiftyshadowTV I hear you (I see you - avatar).
Ladderman greatly disapproves of your tastes. 😹
I think ladders are cool specially for tight or industrial spaces, the 1st ship you showed had a ladder, it beats just the empty space to fall off to get in the cockpit. 👍
Yeah, I like the way they look and the utility they bring, I just don't like how it feels to use them. If they were faster and had a smooth dismount they would be one of my favorite blocks. For now I only use them for looks, I fly whenever I get to them (if possible).
One of my mates I play SE with loves building on planets and he loves ladders puts them on all of his ships. xD
They're nice when you need a way up and you have no jetpack, but I can't make myself use them if I do. They look cool though.
grav on top is probably to "add detail" to the exterior, or so is my guess.... I prefere to hide those as well, but I can see people wanting more variety, specially back then when there was a lot less option for it
True. The ship was probably designed a long time ago.
What I would love to be added to the game is CAD like tool to design ships.
Hmmm, that would be interesting. Not sure how compatible it would be with the block system. Maybe you could have a solver approximate your design using the available block shapes. Or restrict angles in your CAD program to ensure compatibility.
Someone could probably write a program that takes a 3D model and roughly converts it to a blueprint shell. It would probably still take a lot of polishing afterwards.
This is all assuming your not taking about just building with the same blocks, but in a CAD style interface.
@@ShiftyshadowTV That would be great yes and save a lot on time when drafting a desing.
But what I have in mind is something more in the like of Lego Digital Designer. A dedicated tool where you can rotate the model on itself (instead of having to move around it) and have all available blocks in a sidebar. Also, being able to paste/merge two grids into each other with precision, with the option to choose wich of the two is kept where they intersect. This way, we could easily divide a project into smaller sections and merge them all at the end. Another cool feature would be the ability to paint blocks that wouln't be accessible with your character and to have a fill function such in Paint, to quickly be able to change color scheme. And, most wanted of all, CTRL-Z.
@@matf8812 Ah, that would be nice. I believe there is a mod for CTRL-Z. Might be worth adding to a design world if you have one. Haven't tried it myself.
i dabbled in kit bashing before i knew what it was and im not good at it but i enjoy it
If you're having fun, you're doing it right. :)
First of all - great narration and video sequence. Second - butchering existing ships really helps understanding how things work to improve the practicality of your own builds, and overall design to some extent too, but.. at the same time I caught myself on not progressing with ship design while modifying another captured LCC3 Freighter for the 40th time. Like I made my "Perfect B-60 Bulk Freighter" on full hydrogen thrust, still using highly modified Cursor as main fighter, even merged three LCC3 ships together for fun once. But still every time I'm trying to build my own large grid ship from scrap it's either overcomplicated, ugly, not functional, too heavy, too niche, etc. Pick at least 3 for every ship, while "ugly" is by default. There's something more with SE that makes it so hard to come up with a truly original, functional and beautiful design. Probably main reason I still play this game tho :)
Thanks! Yeah, there's more to it for sure. I think this is a good thing to try out (especially if you're new or looking for an inspiring project), but at some point you need to transition to working on your own builds from scratch. There's really no substitute for the real thing. I've been thinking of making a tutorial series for building from scratch, but it's really hard to decide where to start. Everyone learns differently and at their own pace.
"Gravity Generator just slapped on top" .... Dude doesnt know R2-D2 when he sees him lol
They do give a similar vibe.
Most of the economy ships are from the Devs themself and are fair game. Aragath made the B-60, H-01, Ambassador, others are from Xocliv, iirc. Really no one cares if these get reposted. It is true tho to workshop specific ships to ask.
Also, I'm your ladder guy. Why? Immersion. You want mostly to conserve as much weight and as much space as possible, thinking from a fuel/energy and resource point. I get they are tedious to walk, but I build space ships, not yachts :)
edit: typo.
I personally like to start at the cockpit but you have to have an idea of what you want to build
If I'm doing a more decorative build I often start at the cockpit or bridge as well. You're going to spend a lot of time there, might as well make sure it's going to be nice.
@@ShiftyshadowTV it also lets get a good idea of the size and shape for smaller ships
I like ladders, I just wish they worked a bit smoother with magnet boots.
Same for me really. If they were more satisfying to use they'd be one of my favorite block types.
we need another economy update to bring all the ships up to date
Even leaving the old ones as is, and adding up-to-date new ones would be cool.
I need a full blown tutorial on how to make a ship or rover look good is efficient and functions in creative and survival
That's a lot to break down, but I've been planning to do something like it for a while.
Every time I sit down to record a video like that I'm a bit overwhelmed. There's just so much to consider and everyone plays the game differently. There's no single solution to everything, just different styles.
I could break down how I do it (with a disclaimer that it's not the only way), but even that might end up being an hour long (after lots of editing).
"Have fun! Better and become builder"
"Have Fun! BETTER and become a BUILDER"
Almost makes sense.
Hi! What are the names of the blocks that look like half-constructed light armor plates? You use them on the pirated Ambassador Explorer for the entrance, and in a few interior places to cover up conveyor hatches so you can still reach them. You're pointing directly at them at 19:30
I think they're called catwalk blocks. I usually use the DLC "grated catwalks".
I will gladly take your ladders.
There are too many people that like ladders, hahaha, I'm all out.
I just got done watching this and wanted to ask something. Would you be interested in doing a video about improving, critiquing or advising about some of my ship designs? I know thats a weird question, but I'm a relatively novice ps5 player and I want to see some things I may have either overlooked or messed up in my designs. I gladly give full permission to modify them to your liking to show improvements or tips about how to better build in the future.
I do build reviews on my community channel. If you want something looked at, you can join my discord and post a link to your workshop item in the "review_my_build" channel. Alternatively you can try to catch me streaming on Twitch.
Discord:
discord.gg/fP6Ug3qPK9
Community Channel
youtube.com/@more_shifty
Twitch
twitch.tv/shiftyshadowtv
I like ladders because I’m stingy using my suit thrusters planetside in survival mode. I hate wasting hydrogen. 🤷♂️ I only have like 350hrs in the game tho so I’m not over ladders haha.
Also dammit, I didn’t realize you did build competitions! I’ll have to join the next one. Badass kitbash!
Yup, they're pretty laid back. Mostly just a prompt to give people inspiration and something to work on.
@@ShiftyshadowTVI’m pumped for the next one! I love the kitbashed mothership, I’m definitely going to mess around with that vessel & that concept.
2:03 "all the floor in here is salad"
wut
Buahaha, that was great.
i got question I've catch some trade faction ships from vanilla ships, sprt ship like the military minelayer and escort tried to rebuild them but have no clue were start on.
I find that it helps to pick a role for your new version. Will it be used for combat, cargo hauling, mining, long distance travel, none, or all of those? (The options are unlimited.) From there you can figure out what blocks it has that will help it achieve those goals and what blocks it still needs.
Maybe you just want to make it a comfortable home, strip all the functional bits, attach it to an asteroid, and turn it into an apartment.
Really love your content! I love the fact that you dont cut the video every 2 seconds and have obnoxious music playing over the top of it all. Do you think you could do a tutorial or something on how to actually kitbash? Im not really sure what the best way to do it is with the SE building mechanics.
Thanks! It depends on the video, some of them I do cut more often. I haven't gotten into adding music much though, I just talk a lot, haha.
There should be some good tutorials out there on setting up a creative world and using the creative tools (mainly cut and paste). Maybe I'll make one eventually, but it's low on my list, sorry.
You can place and delete blocks in lines or planes (look up hotkeys for your devices in the game menu).
Use this to chop up old ships.
Then use copy/paste (can be looked up too) to put them together however you like. Note that the block you are aiming at when you copy will be the block centered on your cursor when you paste. Use this to make positioning easier.
@@ShiftyshadowTV Thanks so much for the info! I have over 2000 hours in the game and still know nothing... I think you're a really good commentator and you explain your points well. If you're ever making kitbashes again, consider recording the process, or even streaming it? You've definitely gained a new sub!
@@ludbud57 Thanks, hopefully I can find time to stream regularly again. I've enjoyed it a lot in the past.
Give me ALL your ladders!
Please take them!
I play with no jetpack. So yeah, ladders. Everywhere.
Understandable.
How did you join two ships together? Merge blocks? The tour was nice but it would've been nice to see the process.
I built the golem ship in creative using copy and paste. Same hotkeys as you'd expect if you're on pc.
All the vanilla stuff is built by Aragath
Cool, thanks!
Hot take but I like ladders
can you get the blueprints for the economy ships?
I'm the guy. I like ladders. My main ship has a huge one for when it's in planetary gravity.
Nice, do you ever actually climb that ladder, or do you just fly up and down? I tend to set mine up so that I can look at the right angle and spam F, jumping on and off the ladder to travel upward, more like an elevator.
@@ShiftyshadowTV it's the only way to travel my ship in gravity. the only external entrance is at the bottom and the ship is tower shaped.
in space, you can walk along it normally though
@@zamba136 Cool. I wish ladders were faster and had a smooth dismount. They'd be one of my favorite blocks.
how can I get all the base game economy ships added to my blueprints?
Hopefuly I'll find the originals, but for now here are copies I made from in game:
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2999588965
Thanks ^-^
To be fair a lot of the Keen ships leave a lot to be desired.
Unfortunately a lot of the early builders no longer play or the account no longer exists so it might be hard to get permission for some ships
For some reason I've always REALLY struggled with ship building. Bases, sure. But ships not so much. Retro fitting other peoples designs at least lets me pretend I can build a ship 😅
It's nice not to worry if the ship is going to work, or look decent. A lot of people like it.
hey shifty, i allways make my ships and then i dont have space for an interior. any tips?
Get some paper and sketch out rough plans (super rough, just shape and maybe room layout), that will give you an idea of where you want things and how big your ship needs to be before you start building. Then build from the inside out.
Start with any large rooms and/or functional blocks. Don't fully detail rooms yet, just get their rough size and shape figured out. Make sure to place all large blocks, conveyor things, and double check so you don't forget anything (like gyros, jump drives, etc.). Large blocks (or blocks you need many of) are hard to cram in at the end if you forget them early.
Once you have the rooms roughed in, take a step back and see if anything stand out as not fitting. Keep in mind your goal for it's final look, but don't force it. Once all the functional stuff is placed and you're happy with the room sizes, start working on sculpting the exterior around it. At this point it should still be easy to change room shapes and rearrange things as you like.
After a first pass across the entire exterior I then go in and start working on finishing the interiors of the rooms. Making sure they blend with the exterior hull wherever I want windows and such, adding decoration, lights, and everything else.
After all that I usually do a final pass across the exterior, paint things, and call it a day.
I made a huge boat, but it was 386489937000000 lbs and on alien planet so i couldnt get it in the air. It took 3 weeks.
i like climbing ladders.... 😂
Nice to meet you. Haha. The ladder lovers are coming out of the woodwork since this one. I'm gonna have to start a fan club.
Im actually very good at designing bases that cater to the environ its based in. Suspended base on Pertam? Check. Hidden asteroid base? Done. Underground/Side of mountain? Easy.
Build a ship? Square box. 🤦♂️
Hahaha. Too much freedom, give yourself some constraints.
I like climb ladders.
To each their own, I'd rather climb a ladder in real life than in the game.
@@ShiftyshadowTV I'd rather climb a ladders in the game, than in Real life, mainly because game protagonist isn't so fat like me.
Haha, understandable. I'm built like a ladder, so it's my favored terrain.
I turn them onto pirate ships for fun
The economy ones. It’s pretty fun.
Always a good time.
Hi
Hello there. o7
Oh no, the rookie mistake of no airvent in the bedroom.
16:39 The vent is right behind the corner bar for the captain's bedroom. Wait, what bedroom (ship) are you talking about? I'm pretty good about making my ships survival ready, but some of the small NPCs refits definitely don't have air vents in all rooms.
It's me, I'm the ladder girl, give me all of your ladders
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I can't even build un armoured working ships so I got no chance
Believe in me who believes in you.
Are these on mod io? Would love to use them.
Which ones? The ones versions I made are not currently on mod.io. I'm sure you could find the original versions there though.
@@ShiftyshadowTV Well having just finished the video the mothership.
@tinyzinc7344 I'll upload it there today.
edit: Or as soon as I stop getting "mod.io: Error accessing service." when I try to do so.
@@ShiftyshadowTV Thank you and good luck.
@@ShiftyshadowTVWould it be fine if I posted it?
I like ladders! The utility and looks, everything except the unusually bad implementation in SE :
I'm with you on that. If they didn't feel terrible to use I'd love them.
Guy who likes ladders here
Hahaha, I'm running out of ladders.
wait you can buy ships?
Yeah, some of the NPC stations sell ships. You'll need to complete a few missions for them to get credits for it though. Easiest thing is to sell them some refined ore.
@@ShiftyshadowTV oh ok
Ive been trying to tell newbs all the time years now. Start leaving to build. Practice. So much more what this game is about is building (engineering) ships. If your not good practice. , the game is greater as an engineer. Learn despite you sucking at first.
Screw ladders. Hit like for that comment alone.