We're All Wrong About Laufey
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2024
- Everybody's thinking about this whole "Laufey jazz" situation in the wrong way. Let's change that conversation...
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#RealTalk
Jazz is alive and we young jazz musicians in Pat’s, Adam neely’s and so many other communities on the internet rn are proof of that too!
No it's not. Nobody listens to jazz. Just ask anyone you know, there is nobody that listens to it
@@Alexlinnk just blatantly untrue
@@Avstinato It's not popular, it's not a music that is apelling to the public as it once was. You might have some friends that listen to it. It's not representative to the public.
You show the numbers jazz is low
@@AlexlinnkI don't normally respond to comments like this, but I think you should take a moment to be honest with your verbiage and not so hyperbolic. Jazz is literally more popular now than it was 30 years ago. It's more popular now than it was 40 years ago. The combination of education + social media has put the music back into young people's hands in ways we could not have imagined even when I was in school. Jazz is being utilized in commercial media, movies, even pop songs where they take "jazz-sounding" elements and include them. I improvised a solo on The Chainsmokers' "Don't Let Me Down" with Daya live on GMA in 2016. I cracked notes and everything. The door is open for this music to reach more people right now and it just needs to be handled carefully to make sure it has the longest lasting impact throughout the generations.
@@AlexlinnkAlso just because something isn't trending doesn't mean it's dead. "Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not real." You need to consider how much experience you actually have with the jazz community as a whole vs what your idea of it is.
If jazz is dead because it's not popular, how'd you get here? Why are you on my video? Why am I paying rent in another country from my jazz work alone and no day job? These are the real questions that will guide you to the truth! 🙌🏾
Honestly I don't think of all this in terms of a genre needing saving. She's just making cool music, and it happens to be made up of elements of what we call jazz and pop.
Whatever she or anyone else is doing, if it sounds cool, I'm here for it.
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💯 My kidults and have rarely listened to Western pop for years, preferring jazz, vgm and J-pop but the youngest made a Spotify list of 50s crooners during high school to sing along to while doing homework - instinctively wanting melody and harmony - the music of his grandparents! Laufey was recently recommended to me by my other son. It seems to me that even younger ears might start to want something which is not auto -tuned and/or mumble rap (give me 90s rap any day) overproduced tiktok bgm sounding, unmusical 'pop' (not all of it is bad, there are some gems but by comparison we used to have Steely Dan on the radio) We don't have to pigeon-hole the music, it just has to be musical.
Yup
It’s really that simple 😂 No need for people to fight over what genre is being played or what genre is thriving and need’s saving.
I would agree that it's not the musicians but the idiots in media who like lazy faux deep sayings that's creating all this.
I’ve always seen laufey as jazz INSPIRED pop
EXACTLYYY
It's called ''traditional pop''. No idea why anyone is confused by this. It's literally a well-known and established genre of music.
@@kevinvcj1022 I think it differs song to song, for example lovesick is a total pop song as to from the start is a bossa nova pop song which is not seen at ALL in traditional pop
@@iceborg05yeah I don't think all laufey songs sound the same, Magnolia is very different from from the start and such
@@iceborg05 Actually Basia was a very popular vocalist whose music had a bit of a bossa nova flavor.
Damn straight! Jazz didn’t need saving. It was POP that needed saving! Respect man!!
Taylor Swift sold out concerts worldwide, pop didnt needed saving, do you know what pop means? It means current popular music, how can pop need saving when its just music that is considered popular, so Jazz can be pop too and Laufey made it popular again.
@@sophonblock76From a musical and creative aspect obviously. Pop commercially will never need saving cause it’s pop.
From a creative pov I can see why people say it needs more character and versatility though. @@sophonblock76
@@AstroSully Thats the point, if pop is popular music, then creatively it appeases the masses, so pop don't even need to be saved on a creative level neither.
In its state right now personally? I would heavily disagree. But to each their own. @@sophonblock76
Ladies and gentlemen, we've found it. We've found the correct take.
Honestly when I discovered Laufey when she put out her first album I was just really happy to hear how she blends genres and how much influence she took. And I agree with you, let's just make her music about the music and help reach even further.
"Jazz don't need no saving!"
Love it!
Her music would do more for jazz if it were labeled as pop (while being influenced by the SOUND of jazz) than what she's doing right now, calling it jazz and saying 'jazz needs saving'.
When she says 'jazz needs saving', its taking listeners AWAY from the real, current jazz, and making people think Laufey is the ONLY one making jazz (because its 'dying' and needs 'saving'), but if she markets herself as jazz influenced pop, people will like that sound and go and seek out ACTUAL JAZZ and BRING listeners to it.
partick being incredibly smart and reasonable as always 🔥🔥🔥
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I'm not defending pop, but the main issue is people who don't normally seek jazz out would consider her jazz, while the people who are jazz purists would sneer at her and everyone who gets into jazz because of her. Look at how people get mad about even Kamasi, Snarky Puppy, DOMi and JD Beck, etc.
Heck, I watch Smalls Live and there are cats in there who insist vocal jazz is for frauds, and you had people getting mad at Diana Krall. I'm not saying jazz shouldn't be gatekept, it's just that there's a bunch of people who'd get violently hostile to Laufey, even if she was jazzier.
@@supermansdaddy7019I’ll say jazz shouldn’t be gatekept
@@timpickering3750 Poor choice of words on my part, especially since there are tons of jazz "purists" who hate anything vaguely new. I don't think it shouldn't be gatekept, either, but I do think it's important to analyze what makes jazz... jazz.
When the flying fuck does she say any of that
completely agreed
if the sound of jazz has to be CHANGED in order to appeal to the mainstream audience then jazz shouldn't appeal to the mainstream audience
the majority of pop has been extremely monotone and the fact that this "mid-century pop" sound is making a comeback should be celebrated instead of just being labeled "mainstream jazz"
1000%
It’s an emulation of mid the 50’s emulation of actual Jazz.
The Chet Bakers and Dave Brubeck of the time.
Now look back at jazz and it’s context during that period as far as the Black experience here in America. I’m not surprised at the “saving of Jazz” headlines. History just repeating itself.
@@blackchewy8435 no because chet baker and dave brubeck actually improvise and do solos
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You are correct , they did improvise.
I've been praying that someone with a platform would say something like this. This is such a good take.
"save pop" is exactly the right take on this thing. love it!
We need to keep speaking up and letting Laufey know that she’s welcome to sit in with the cats.
I understand the pushback against her from the jazz community in terms of the culture and history of the music, but whatever we do we need to support her music. It sounds amazing, and whatever you call it, we ought be allowed to enjoy it.
@@samuelbrown9665Preach brother preach. I love Jazz and her music touches the soul!
Trust me, no music genre will die. Look at classical music, there bunch of professionals still playing or composing it😅 as same as jazz
You say that but Classical music has more listeners than Jazz
@@Pastas666 still being some “old stuff” in the gen z definition?
Nail on the head. Let’s get some horn solos back in pop while we’re at it.
I've been saying (Western) pop has needed saving for at least 20 years 😬 and I thought DOMi and JD Beck might do it with the Anderson .Paak collab.....but I think Laufey is a better starting point because her music is more accessible to those who aren't into jazz. Also maybe since pop is dying, it was a better bet for Laufey to associate with jazz 😬
Best take on this whole mess
yeah idk when this happened but laufey doesn’t deserve hate for this it’s kinda out of her control. why be mean? let her be, let us, and then let’s all hang out and play music
Highly agree! The goal is to put whatever buzz words get out there is what will push profits sadly. Jazz truly doesn't need to be saved and I hate when people think it's "gatekeeping jazz" when you even say it like that. Jazz is a genre that really stands on its own and the way big studios want to make it all about revenue is irritating. If you like jazz, you like it! You'll find it! You'll know where to go! I don't understand why music needs to conform so much to trends and that's what ruins it. She is a talented artist and it's great to hear pop like that, but it's so embarrassing to make her the face of jazz right now.
Well said!
The video ended at 0:49 you are 100% right no further explanation needed
ACTUAL FACTS AND TRUTH ‼️
Best take there is on it and you did it in less than 5 minutes🤯
Such a refreshing take to hear this. Thank you.
I love Adam Neely's video on the subject, but honestly, you right,
THIS should be the current trajectory of discussion, not whether or not she counts as jazz
Never would have thought about it that way-but you are absolutely right. Jazz is just fine, just like dozens of other musical forms around the world (Fado? Hi Life? Polka???). It is indeed pop that is in a sad state of affairs, and this young woman needs to claim pop and help raise its level!
You said everything I thought the moment I heard all this nonsense. I been listening to your music for years man. Thank you for your voice. After To Pimp A Butterfly, people think Jazz needs everyone’s help-Jazz been out here helping everybody else.
Flip the script brother,yessir
Even though I absolutely adore Laufeys music, its not Jazz.Its Pop with many jazz influences and inspirations.
I love how you were saying you didn't want this to be clipped, that you didn't want all the attention from the discourse, then the next day I find you clipped it yourself :p
This is the best take I’ve heard on the subject thus far. Thank you!!!
We jazz musicians have been making music for 100 years. We don't need any pop musicians to tell us we need to be saved. And...her success, will have no effect on the rest of the jazz world!
@3:00 and so that Jazz can get in more people’s ears again! More demand, more gigs, if Jazz had a popular resurgence like that it would be payoff for all the good work people have still BEEN doing.
I think there are a lot of jazz inspired artists we could be propping up more in the pop space. Charlie Puth has the jazz chops for it, Jamie Cullum is really fun and has the pop chops.
Something I've just realized is that whenever a black pop artist tries to move in a jazz direction they get put into r&b and sort of relegated away
But Charlie Puth almost never shows any jazz influence in his music as far as I can tell. It just seems like uber mainstream pop with terrible lyrics. He seems to have the skill for it, but doesn’t use it, even though he said he wanted to mix jazz with pop in his newest album. I highly recommend checking out artists who incorporate jazz influence in their pop music way more effectively, like Lee Jin Ah, Kan Sano, Tendre, Sheena Ringo
I think Puth did that one Betty Boop and ragtime-inspired track, but he didn't do anything like it again.
💯 My favourite Charlie Puth video was when he played an acoustic piano version of Girlfriend at home. The chords reminded me of On Broadway and even though he had some auto tune you could tell that he really can sing. He really should 'take the risk' to incorporate more jazz elements having already become popular. Look at cartoon music kids love which is far more complex than it needs to be - kids love it so why should pop not follow?
"Whenever a black pop artist tries to move in a jazz direction they get put into R&B". Well, R&B is literally a child of Jazz (with the other parents being Blues and Gospel), so this doesn't seem like an incorrect categorization? Not to mention that there's plenty of collaboration between R&B singers and jazz instrumentalists, and there always has been. If there's any issue here, it's that R&B is considered to be "relegated away" rather than being a major genre right alongside Rock.
Real talk, I'm surprised a Laufey & Cody Fry collab hasn't happened yet
Her music is very good in my opinion. That's all.
Yes! It’s pop that needs saving. Silksonic brought back the 70s vibes, and maybe Laufey is bringing back 60s jazz inflected pop vibes. Though rediscovery new directions can be found for pop, which is in a pretty bad way.
Laufey is more 50s than 60s
I listened to a couple more songs of hers. Actually think it’s more 40s!
@@lukeserrano62 30s through 50s yes
Plus big ups to Robert Glasper and Thunder Cat
Kris Bowers, too.
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Sweet and true, she's like a pop bossa crooning lady?! She's awesome
so real. the video "is laufey really jazz?" is also amazing
This is the best, least pretentious jazz nerd take! Thank you, sir!
Oh for sure, devils advocate though, Norah Jones has one of the best selling albums of all time and Lady Gaga made a jazz album with Tony Bennett just a few years back. I think jazz infiltrates pop in bursts but not in a strong enough force to really stick.
That's not even talking about things like Zoot Suit Riot, Electro Swing, lofi hip-hop which wears its jazz tropes and influences on its shoulders.
And what about Kamasi Washington and Thindercats' popularity spike around Too Pimp a Butterfly's release?
Picture of Laufey and Samara Joy- nuff said. Would love to hear Samara singing Laufey,
This is the exact perfect take on this.
Hi Pat, I think it would be helpful for pop music to have more artists bringing richness on harmony, lyrics and offer listeners more authentic voices without the need to use Autotune. So, she could contribute to save pop music by offering the high standard she is already providing
Best videos on UA-cam. Consistent real talk. Go save pop, jazz doesn’t need the saving.
"You wanna save something, save Pop." 😂 SO many quotables
I want to hear @PatrickBartleyMusic help to save pop by making an album of Laufey tunes.
I agree 100%, but the major record labels won't admit for a second that pop music is dying. Until there comes major change in the way the labels market their music, we're gonna keep fighting this same battle
Thank you for spitting such a well rounded perspective. You really fucking get it man.
I agree. Jazz doesn’t need saving. Jazz is still strong. I don’t know how she became the “new face” of jazz. Just because her isn’t music is generic manufactured pop, she’s considered jazz. Ridiculous.
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Even in Jazz there are loads of different type of Jazz. And Laufey is just one of them. Technically Laufey is a jazz singer. If you don't consider Laufey a Jazz singer, then Norah Jones is technically not a Jazz singer aswell.
Maybe there's an irony here - (Western) pop is so awful these days, Laufey refused to become the new face of pop. The new face of jazz is way cooler!
@@cooldebt Pop is just popularized music, despite the genre. So Jazz can be pop aswell. The fact that for the past 20 years no Jazz has broken through in the pop scene is the very reason Jazz has been dead.
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Mind blown with this take... great perspective.
Best take I’ve seen on this topic! This needs to replace the current narrative!
Audiences have been starved for decades now... starved of chords, melodies, instruments played by actual people, and lyrics that express more tender feelings. We didn't realize that there was a potential audience for these things so we continued producing "love" songs like Ed Sheeran's "I'm in Love With Your Body", catchy yes, but uh... lacking in depth... raunchy Cardi B tunes, etc. The pendulum was due to swing back to a more sensitive, more beautiful concept of life/love. It's not just Laufey's melody/harmony/rhythm we should be paying attention to here. She has created a brand that is unique in 2023. It isn't unique in the history of music, but it stands out like a neon sign in a dark alley in today's cultural landscape.
this could be the after youve gone shirt
I hit that like button so fast! Finally someone said it. Jazz does not need saving. Leave Jazz alone! LOL
This is the most intelligent discussion on this topic so far
Brilliant use of the Reverse Uno Card my Brotha!!! 🔥💯
i come from a very remote town in turkey, where no mention of jazz could ever be found in any direction. i've gotten into jazz in high school thanks to internet communities and youtube and it literally shaped how i lived my college years. i don't think this is something that needs help, or to be saved.
That hat looks like my beyer dynamics 🔥 🔥
Same
Reporting from the future: I think Patrick is 100% on this.
I recently went to Laufey's Radio City shows -- both sold out, mostly filled with younger folks. Her covers are among her most popular songs to perform. It is just wild to be in a room where thousands of kids in their teens and 20s know the words to standards like "I Wish You Love" and "It Could Happen to You." On the second night, the crowd went crazy when she announced Jon Baptiste as a special guest and they performed "Misty" together. Misty -- a song I thought was kind of corny when I was learning jazz when I was younger -- created great envy among the first night crowd who found out. Laufey isn't just smuggling Jazz into her songs, she's bringing it directly to a new generation. The covers are there in part so that there is context for the "new" sound she's including in her own music.
As far as I know, the "savior" nonsense was never something she promulgated. Back then, her surprise popularity was the story, not Laufey herself. Now that she has gotten a lot more notoriety (and a Grammy) she has more opportunity to speak for herself. I find that she's being savvy and respectful with how she is adapting jazz (and classical) musical vocabulary and what it means to spread it.
This man is enlightened.
As usual you’re spot on Pat. She’s proven that millions of listeners’ ears are open to these sounds. Pigeon-holing her into the “jazz” category is a terrible mistake.
The smartest take I’ve seen on this whole discussion so far.
Jazz doesn't need to be saved but it's inevitable that it's changing.
Bring mid century pop back again, crooners, jazz influence, bossanova, synth (i know synth has been having a moment but still), blues influence, soul
jazz is dead in my country tho, i felt more free singing jazz when laufey got popular. but i get u
I love the way you think, Pat. And I agree with what you said in your stream: she needs to be held acountable for something. Not saying she's the problem, but I don't buy for a second this''gatekeeping'' bullshit, this naive "I simply love music from the good old days" (like Adam said: "and when was that?"). This is a marketing strategy, and she's benifiting from it.
And by the way, I remember when you said "we should gatekeep jazz to keep some corny ass mf's out", and I think they do that in pop music too, to some extent. I wonder if this Laufey craze would happen if she was being marketed as simply "pop', considerating the regular occurance of arguments that try to establish who the GOAT is many of subgenres of pop nowadays.
I mean, I'm asking honestly with all my heart here: would she make the cut?
Cheers, a brazilian admirer
Very nice argument. I think what you are saying is "save jazz" though. Saying it like "saving" is stupid, but saying it like "popularizing" it (aka making it pop) is accurate. What the pompous reporters are trying to say is that this is the new jazz, or more accurately a new type of jazz, and that's cool, genres evolve constantly, this had been brewing for a while.
It is true though, that jazz clearly has more credence than pop, I think this is the best retort I've heard so far to that stupid "save the jazz" statement
Actually this is the best take on this conversation
Brilliant take. Laufey is saving pop
Dude, well said! 100% agree
Hit the nail on the head here Pat.
I would consider Laufey's music to be really really great pop music, with heavy jazz influences. And everything about her music is fucking incredible. She's a great artist who deserves to get love for what she's doing for music!!
I don't see how people can be angry at her for just being a great musician. She's only doing good for jazz
its like how taylor swft in her earlier years was considered the saviour of western music yet when listen to it, it sounds pop with little western influences
Yes Yes Yes! This is the take I was looking for!
You've got a great point.
Laufey has some jazz music. Mostly covers. But for me shes traditional pop/midcentury pop
jazz has been pop, and pop has been jazz in alternating forms and fashions for the last 80+ years. if I ever put out a jazz record, i'll be sure to label it as "straight ahead pop."
ima quote this man in real life bc this is some incredible huge takes
This is what I'm hoping. I hear her making pop with pretty harmony and melody and I think, "oh shit, can I actually make a living doing the thing I love?"
She sounds more bossa nova or jazz than pop
Jazz is like a statue, pop is like a rock. They’re both made up of the same thing, one just needs a chisel. Best way I think I could have interpreted it
This is a really good take on the situation
The best take I've ever heard about Laufey.
genius take honestly, well done
laufey is actually saving punk
Lovin the increase in post W!
Jazz is a niche market. Always has been and always will be. Lauvey turned on my teenage guitar students to jazz and to that to me, as a both a guitar teacher and jazz guitar player, is a very good thing.
I love this idea
need "Save Pop" on a t-shirt
wow mic drop moment!
YES. THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE.
Surely Jon Batiste is the musician of our age? Classical, pop, jazz,soul,film, national anthem? Bringing it to the people. Yes, indeed
"Pop music offensive" 🤣🤣
Norah Jones is a beautiful example, i would like to see both of them together
yeah i immediately thought of her
And now Norah Jones and Laufey have cooperated with one Christmas song cover and one original Christmas song. Wonderful stuff.
yes indeed!@@margretoddny
Wynton Marsalis in Ethan Iverson's interview part 2: "I started saying at the beginning - I like the name of it ("jazz"). I like the music. I don’t have any problems with it. But it’s got to have a meaning. Everything can’t be _it_, if only because you can’t teach it to other people.
That’s a very pragmatic way to look at it. If I take my kid out here and say, “Everything that you do is basketball,” I can’t teach him how to play. You apply that to any field. You’re going to have a problem teaching people, if it don’t have a meaning. It’s great for you if you can realize something that intensely broad. But you’re going to have trouble with your next generation. Because to learn everything is hard."
YES
Yep, she gave me respect for pop music.
Pop must be saved…I love playing good pop songs and putting my twist on it
Hello?!! HELLO!!!???!!!
Um who?? Jazz doesn't need saving, it needs to sound like jazz again.
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One day a pop artist gotta bring loud guitar on his pop song and media/people gotta stamp him as a rock saviour 😂
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@@TrillBill OMG I love grandpa Bill Whiters
@@geetraldinha 💯
Love that vision
I agree completely, amazing take