Poor Rumple both of his parents chose power over him. I guess it runs in the family. So in the end she became the biggest threat to Rumple by changing his destiny. Instead of growing up a hero he grew up as a coward which ultimately lead to him becoming the dark one. He never had a chance
Yes! He didn't just not become a hero but he did become the exact opposite, a coward! So by default it was "Be the next Dark One or you die sooner some way or another". So she condemned him to a dark path. Doesn't mean that he couldn't have found another way but mainly that was his predisposition.
He is not a coward. Look how he faced Merida, how he sacrificed himself defeating Pan, how he went to the Duke's castle to find a way to protect Bae. He was never a coward.
LagiNaLangAko23 err nooo. She was the great evil and if she serve red her own fate, rumple would have still being a hero and wouldn’t have to fight her. Instead of sacrificing her power so her son can be brave and a good guy she chose to destroy his instead because she wanted to keep her power
Yeah but I don't agree with what blue did to her that would of made it worse I don't agree with any curses though mother's will do anything to protect their son and sometimes it can seem irrational
Tiger Lily and blue made the great evil the black fairy was in pain crying because of her son in danger there is no logic when it comes to mothers and their son but I will say at least Tiger Lily was trying to help
Thomas Merlino i think they both sides are in wrong. They both could have cut their destiny and live in peace, but she chose power. She was indeed evil. Cutting his destiny off led him to being a complete opposite of savior... a coward... a villain. Cutting both of their destinies was totally a way out
Thomas Merlino and also i dont think THEY made it. It was Fiona herself. She was so scared that her son would die that she checked every born child that winter.
It’s crazy to see how similar Rumple is to his parents. All three were normal people with nothing really extraordinary about themselves, but somehow become powerful wielders of magic. They were too scared to lose that power and chose it over their loved ones. That being said, the three were very patient and manipulative. It took them centuries to fulfill their plans, but they still almost achieved it. In the end though, Rumple was brave enough to do what his parents couldn’t, chose love
So let me get this straight: Rumple was the Savior but because his mother screwed up, he became the Dark One and Emma was destined as the Savior to stop him. It was a twist I really wasn't expecting but kind of suspected from last season...
this makes me wonder if what happened to Emma was meant to happen to Rumple, like he was meant to become the dark one but resist the lure of darkness like Emma did which makes what Merlin said make sense (someday perhaps someone will be able to hold the dark one's powers and use it for good) and if you're watching Season 7 you'd know Rumple seems like a redeemed man
Despite her cutting Rumple from his heroic destiny, he still ended up being the hero at the end. He sacrificed his life to save Hook. That's a true hero.
In a way everyone’s destiny kind of happened he became the saviour as well as the dark one, it just wasn’t his mother that he had to face instead himself.
So correct me if I'm wrong but, Fiona options were A:to sever her power so she'd no longer be the cause of her son's death as he was the savior but still let her son die. B: sever rumple's destiny so he wouldn't be the savior, creating a vacuum for a new one, keep her power and remain the great evil so she could protect herself and her son. C: sever both her and rumple's destinies and create a vacuum for a new great evil and savior. Or D: sever neither destiny and be forced to kill her own son or die, because of some prophecy. It seemed like a lose-lose-lose-lose situation for her.
@@meh3017 No, severing her destiny would have made it so SHE was no longer the Great Evil. Instead, someone or something else would become the Great Evil. It's why she felt she needed to keep her powers. Option C is what I would think most parents and rational people would do. Let someone else deal with it and live a happy normal life with your child.
@@sevagbalian8786 Uhhh, you have no evidence of that. No one ever said that there has to be a great evil or that defeating one great evil would force someone else to become the great evil. She severed rumple's destiny to become a savior and another one didn't come until centuries later with Emma, meaning severing rumple's destiny didn't create another savior.
@@meh3017 you literally just said that Rumple not being the Savior created another savior in Emma. You contradicted yourself. Destinies don't have to transfer instantly, they can be delayed. No clue why you're so pressed lmfao
@Samael T She literally chose her powers over her son, even while knowing that she was the great evil that was destined to kill him. There are lots of villains that I have sympathy for, but not Fiona.
@@wolferup I get where she is coming from though, it makes sense...by severing his destiny he no longer has to 'die' by her hands and she thinks he can just have a normal life. She gets to keep her powers to protect him from any other threat. It is totally logical.
@@bluecheese3896 Fiona was insanely selfish and put herself before her son. She could have cut away her own fate, thus no longer being the Great Evil, thus keeping her son eternally safe from her AND he would also get to keep his happy fate as the admired and heroic saviour, but she took it all away from him and condemed him to the life of a Coward and ultimately the Dark One. And for what? POWER. She chose Power over her son, that is not love. She chose herself when selfishly cutting his fate away from him.
@@bluecheese3896 The truth is that Fiona is one of those overprotective mothers who keep their children locked up for fear they getting hurt, preventing them from growing up, socializing and having experiences. If she had cut herself instead of her son, he wouldn't have needed to be protected because he would have been the one protecting himself. But Fiona instead wanted her son to be weak and dependent on her.
"Will spend everyday trying to find my way back to you!" Then after a few hundred years when black fairy first meets Rumple and she realised he's her son she's literally like meh, how did I care that much, "you can keep wondering Rumplestiltskin" still leaving him disappointed again
Matthew Milian Makes sense. She's the Great Evil and she just got rid of the Savior by changing his fate. Without a savior, she's a danger to everyone and deserved to be banished.
This is going off the assumption that the realm was dark when Fiona was banished there. It could have just been a realm that simply blocked Fiona from truly escaping under her own power. Heck, for all we know, the dark fairy dust in that realm wasn't originally dark, but infused with Fiona's dark magic before she came to terms with her power and accepted who she was, which would then prevent her from infusing more crystals as she explains to Zelena. Just my two cents, take it or leave it.
Seriously though, how many times are the good guys going to let Blue off the hook for her hand in shit like this? First she caused a dwarf's NAME to be changed just because she was judgmental about a dwarf and a fairy being together, then it was Tinker Bell, and now we find out she REALLY doesn't give a shit who has to pay for the good of all as we now know she was more than willing to see Rumple die to save everyone.
Carlo Colvin I think Blue is the only character I hate. She's just as manipulative as Cora to me. All that "greater good" shit is what really gets on my nerves
Honestly, I blame Blue for all this. All of this "vague future telling" made Fiona obsessed and she became her own worst enemy. In fact, Blue closed a time paradox. By knowing a great evil was after Rumple, she initiated a chain of events that put him in danger. I know it's a hot take but, Blue in my opinion was responsible for a lot of the things that went wrong. If she had never came to inform Fiona that Rumple was a "savior" to defeat a "great evil" then the great evil which eventually became Fiona, never would have been created. Which makes me wonder... Was Blue's future knowledge about someone else, or was it Fiona the whole time?
I’m no she’s not to blame for ANY OF THIS, Fiona is. What was Blue supposed to do, take her baby from her and make up a false story. She didn’t tell her everything but Fiona figured it out herself, all she told was that he was the Saviour and Tiger Lily had to protect him
I always got the impression the blue fairy was a not a good person. She was caniving and manipulative towards everyone. She constantly told half truths while hiding behind her position of high authority amongst the other fairies. She changed everyone else's destined based on what she thought was right. I feel rumple may have been the only person to see the real her. If I was in Stoneybrook I would not trust her.
I think a good description of her would be Chaotic Neutral. She's for the letter of rules over the spirit and in general somewhat of a tyrant with her power and position. The fact that she is never directly called out on it is the biggest fuck up in writing on this show.
You know the whole "evil made this winter, destined to die against each other." describes Pan more than The Black Fairy. Because he actually died then.
Wait when Fiona severed Rumpel's destiny of becoming The Savior and Rumple ended up becoming not only The Dark One but The Beast to so could it be that Fiona is also the enchantress from the original Beauty and the Beast tale?
So basically she has to sacrifice her own child in order to be good, this is why I hate this show. They basically put all the villains in impossible situations that they can’t get out of and all the heroes are put into situations that are so easy. Charming and snow did the exact same thing to maleficent’s daughter and they are considered heroes, UNFAIR!!!!!!!!!
Snow and Charming knew Emma will die in season 6 yet they didn't do what the Black Fairy did, they never had it easy they made a lot of hard decisions, the thing with Lily and Mal was to show they're not perfect and they made mistakes but in the end they learned and didn't repeat their mistake again in S6
Orignally fairies were neither good or evil just powerful forces of nature not to be messed with. From their perspective everything that happened was probably necessary to maintain the balance of existence or something.
yeah but all Fiona had to was give up her power and let her son be the hero he was destined to be. But she chose to have power over doing what's best. As for the charmings I know what they did was wrong but they tried to make up for their mistakes. Even heroes mess up.
The Blue Fairy was literally the main villain in OUAT and you cannot convince me other wise. Lets talk about the Regina and Tinkerbell situation. Regina was suffering from a broken heart due to the betrayal from Snow White and Tinkerbell was helping by taking some pixie dust to help find Regina’s soulmate. Regina being who she was at the time chickened out (which is understandable) they found out that Robin Hood was her soulmate (a.k.a. The man with the lion tattoo) but the Blue Fairy banished Tink before she could even help Regina to find the confidence to talk to Robin. If Tink managed that, then Regina would most likely have healed her broken heart and forgiven Snow White and moved on with Robin and she most likely would NEVER had become the Evil Queen 😭 but Blue literally prevented all that from happening and she probably knew too. and you can’t convince me to think that she didn’t know because she can figure out who’s gonna be the next Savior but she didn’t know of the great Evil Queen that would come out of Regina due to a broken heart Tinkerbell was gonna help fix????
And on top of that, let’s not forget that because of her sweet little Dream turned out to be Grumpy. And also, all she had to do to prevent Rumple from becoming the dark was by LITERALLY keeping her mouth shut. She did not have to tell Fiona (Rumples mother) about Rumples destiny and in turn, Fiona would not become obsessed with her child’s destiny and she would not have cut off Rumples destiny to become the Savior, and he wouldn’t have become the Dark One and cause so much pain death and suffering. He would’ve died a hero and a Savior. And who’s to tell that he wouldn’t die old as the Savior? He probably would’ve lived a long fulfilled life and maybe die because of one last heroic adventure (at least that’s how I see it 🤷♀️) but with all of this evidence piling up you can’t convince me that Blue was not public enemy number one 😭
The Blue Fairy sorta ruined rumple's life. She's also the one who gave Baelfire the magic bean to go to a place without magic that led to Rumple losing his son
@valvihk3649 as much as I hate the new descendants movie I do love the line "bad guys don't think that they're bad guys. They see themselves as the good guys in their story. "
I empathise Fiona, actually. She wanted to keep her son safe with her powers so she wants her powers and severe his son's fate of becoming the Saviour to defeat her, and in the end got herself banished by Blue Fairy(Mother Superior) to another realm. Anyone else who actually understands why Fiona did this?
@@thomasmerlino7011 Well she saw it as the only way out Now that I think about it, she would never be able to cast it at the time (without dark fairy dust) because she would need to crush the heart of the thing she loved most: her son.
She preferred the powers because if she preferred to lose them her son would be the savior, the only difference would be that someone else would kill him so it is not so selfish:
@@user-kj8ic4rw4x no the prophecy is that her and only her would have to fight him. no one else. if she gave up her magic he would’ve went on to be the savior. instead he had a terrible childhood. so it was selfish
"To a land without magic" At this point I'm suspecting that all the people in the other realms are only aware of a land without magic but they don't know its history or why it became a land without magic (the murder of Gothel's family in season 7).
@@jaycemasters4619 That’s true if you mean the complete opposite It was guaranteed that everything would have to be connected The real twist is how they do it, and they do it just right every single time (except season 7, that season was still awesome but it was also sloppy)
@@jaycemasters4619 Yeah I noticed by season 4 it dropped off considerably and got worse and worse. Writing was the biggest let down for me because a lot of the half season plots were really good and interesting.
Blue, the secrets she must be keeping in order to protect, serve and promote 'Magic'. Jiminy suffered consequences as a result of his failure to escape his own parents yet Blue didn't rescue Geppetto's parents. Instead, Jiminy guilt and shame is taken advantage of and is recuited and turned into a guardian cricket. Magic isn't everything; Magic is the only thing - once, always and forever. Right, Blue?
@@mycrowsoffed why would Blue rescue Ghepetto's parents? It was *partly* Jiminy's fault that Ghepetto's parents turned out like that.. and Jiminy wanted to be turned a talking cricket..so why are you blaming Blue for his wish?
Never realized just how much of a religious undertone fairytales had and in turn how much this show had in just this scene alone... "He's destined to die so that other children may live, that is the fate of the savior" gives me an ick feeling.
These types of stories have been around for thousands of years if anything, religion adopted those ideas from stories centuries before.. All the stories that you see or read have already been told, the only difference is the names, new concepts like technology, or whatever the case may be. Just because you are against religion doesnt mean its bad story telling.
Tinker bell should’ve made a appearance in this season because she knew more about Fiona than anyone else and seeing a fight between this two would’ve been great
To be honest Blue and tiger Lilly are to blame. I know Fionas method wasn’t a good one but she was going to extreme lengths to protect her son. She was worried for him and didn’t want him to die, I wouldn’t want my kid to die that way either. So Fiona didn’t do the right thing but she was doing that off of her mother instincts. What’s done was done, why did blue punish her. She was only trying to protect him.
Good and evil are made not born one but what lies in destiny can never be changed The who are good go through as much suffering as the evil the level of tolerance is what tips off the scale in the same manner so do the joys they get from people they meet Fiona wasn't wrong for wanting to protect her son but the cost was too high and she also forgot that everyone is destined even immortals like the dark one have loopholes hence what was she protecting,she was meant to let destiny take it course Tiger lily brought this by showing Fiona the book of prophecies
"Why did Blue punish her" because she cut away Rumple's fate of being the Saviour, and before this she was planning to erase all children/babies from existance lol. Why on EARTH do people like you side with Fiona over Blue? Mind boggling. She destroyed her son's fate by cutting his instead of her own fate because she loved her powers more than him. I'm glad Blue banished her.
@@Valoelify I can see your point about Fiona. But I am looking from more of a motherly (parent) viewpoint. What Fiona did, was incredibly wrong, but she wasn’t thinking rationally and did what she thought was best without thinking of the safety of other children. I am not saying what she did was right, and she is still a villain, but she wanted to save her child, and her strategies were not right, but villain or not, she wanted to save her son.
Nah mother's do anything to protect their son sometimes logic goes out the window look how much they were upsetting her you could tell she cared for her son
I now feel bad for Fiona because all she wanted was her son. All the villains in this show do something evil, not just for the power, but for someone they love. They let their emotions get the better of them
But the reason her son was in danger in the first place was her own fault. She become the great evil destined to kill her sons by her very own actions.
The truth is that Fiona is one of those overprotective mothers who keep their children locked up for fear they getting hurt, preventing them from growing up, socializing and having experiences. If she had cut herself instead of her son, he wouldn't have needed to be protected because he would have been the one protecting himself. But Fiona instead wanted her son to be weak and dependent on her.
So, anyone else want to point out that once again, the Blue Fairy was the trigger for things going tits up? If she had never told Fiona about Rumple being a Savior there would be no Black Fairy, no Pan, and Rumple would never have become the Dark One.
You know, I don’t get why Fiona needed to sever anything after becoming the great evil. She had supreme power over whether she would have to fight her son or not. She could literally just do her thing and as long as she didn’t hurt her son, it would turn out alright.
The black fairy, choose power, but she's not entirely a villain, she chooses it for security, not really to do harm, or at least that's the way i see it
Even in the end the severed destiny still happens, she only severed his destiny as a savior but never really could sever the destiny that her son would still fight her and destroy her. He may have not been a savior to do battle with his mother, but he still came out a hero to save everyone.
If these fairies spared Fiona from pain of idea of losing their son or either tried to reason with her , no ugly event of this show would have happened . I feel sad for Fiona and hate Tiger lily and blue for not taking care of Rumple unlike a real fairy godmother . Blue 's anti redemption approach ruined both Regina and Black fairy . Also S7 Regina casted the curse for protecting her son just like Fiona wanted and instead , Fiona was forced to live millions of years and become a villain while Regina was saved so , here Fiona was not the villain , Blue was. I wish someone called out Blue for it and made her regret everything shady she did .
Yep, rumple was meant to be The Savior, and fight in the final battle against his mother. But she chose her power, and ruined Rumple’s destiny, as a result, he became power obsessed (probably because he was meant to have it in the first place) and him being The Dark One. Basically the same thing Snow and Charming did to Emma, they took the potential for darkness out of her when she was a baby. In Rumple’s case she took the potential for light.
Ok if theres one thing i’ve learned from this show its: NEVER SAY A PROPHECY NEVER WRITE A PROPHECY AND NEVER BE A PROPHECY cos literally everyone becomes evil that way or does some effed up action: Regina tries to murder Emma Rumple tries to murder Henry (for like a bit) Zelena tries murdering Dorothy Fiona tries murdering Tiger Lily Wow a lot of attempted murder happens
If she did, Peter Pan wouldn’t have existed, Rumple wouldn’t have known how to spin wool, Rumple might’ve not been protective of his family as he is technically, Rumple would’ve never met belle, Regina wouldn’t have been born, Emma wouldn’t have been born, David would’ve never lost his brother or father, Hook would’ve never lost his hand or his brother to night shade, however the king who has sent them on their journey would’ve easily won that war, the ogre wars would’ve taken even more lives, the list continues. Everyone who Peter Pan had encountered, all the children the dark fairy kidnapped, and every deal Rumple made would’ve never happened. Thus many people would never have been born, saved, cured, and fought.
00:55 favourite moment 00:59 tiger lily shocked face 01:08 tiger lily pain face 01:21 tiger lily another shocked face 01:47 tiger lily realize the truth 02:03 tiger lily heart returned
This scene was so depressing. Rumple finding out he was the savior he was supposed to be good and his own mother turned him evil and destroyed his life
Blue could have stunned Fiona and used shears on her or take away her wi gs , but no Shady Blue wants to cause trouble which lead to perhaps every event on this show . She is Umbridge of once upon a time.
It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. If she never knew the prophecy she would never do all that stuff to save her sons life, never become the reason of his destiny and never destroyed it. Because of her knowing it the prophecy became true and she had to cut it.
I still don't understand why Fiona couldn't have just cut both hers and her son's destinies so neither one had to worry about the final battle. She could've lived a normal life like how she had planned to do in the beginning with her husband. She was stupid. And I laughed when she died by Rumple's hand. He killed both his parents.
@@soixsantes I agree. He had made the next step past temptation by killing his mother and becoming a hero. That's why i was so happy. He was probably the most complex character in the story and I found his journey the most interesting.
I really thought they were setting Tiger Lily up to be the main good fairy in Season 7, just like Blue was in Season 1. But she only showed up once in season 7, and that was in a flashback. There was so much potential for the character that was wasted, but then again that’s how the show runners did things. On a side note, Rumple’s mother didn’t really change his destiny. He did eventually die in battle against a great evil - it just happened to be in battle against the wish realm version of his Dark Lord self instead of his mother
Also, it was Rumple’s mother’s own fault Rumple would have to face a “great evil.” Truth is she could have given up her powers and not tried to kill Tiger Lily. Then she wouldn’t become the great evil and Rumple could have gone on being the savior. Then he wouldn’t have become the Dark One and he wouldn’t have lost his son. She basically screwed his entire life up with her decision
I think the real issue was that Fiona did not bother to cut off her own destiny. She cut off her child's destiny to fight the great evil and die in the process. But that did not change the fact that she was to killed by her child according to her destiny.
Wait... The blue fairy looked familiar to me... Isn't she Keagan Connor Tracy? The one who starred on Final Destination and Descendants (both 1 and 2)? She's actually my favorite actress. 😄
Yeah, the blue fairy knew the whole that he was meant to be a savoir. She could have saved him and fulfilled his destiny. Cause in the end, deep down, he is a savoir. It explains a lot about Rumple and why he was a powerful dark one
Bruh. She didn't even need to go all evil and shit. Rumple could have still been the savior and she could have just chose not to kill him once she found out she was "the great evil".
Always hated Blue Fairy. Saw her as an inadvertent villian with some of her choices and ridiculous deals so one sided it made the actual villians seem fare.
If Fiona cut herself from her fate she would be powerless but Rumple fate being the saviour will be the same, she may love power but she also don't want to be powerless when knowing other evil will still come for her son. If you can't forgive her for this then you shouldn't forgive Rumple too because he do exactly the same with Baelfire and Belle, Rumple maybe good at the end but the difference is he had people who loves him enough to always give him a chance no matter what he did. For me It's no one fault here, it's just a fate
Rumple gave her a chance, and she turned Belle into a coward who's afraid to leave her house. Furthermore, Fiona's desire is completely selfish because even if it is true that by taking away her powers she would not have been able to protect her son, at the same time, if she had cut herself off instead of him, Rumple would not have needed to be protected because he would have been the one to protect himself alone. So in this case Fiona behaved like one of those overprotective mothers who lock their children in a glass bell and make them incapable of care of themself and that don't want they grow up and become indipendent.
I guess the Blue Fairy was just waiting to banish Fiona until it was too late. Was her banish spell on cooldown or something? Seriously, Blue Fairy, what the hell took you so long?
@@TheRealValGalstyan Exactly, besides when she has decided of is surrender facing at gideon, This reminded me of the end of Harry potter when he has also decided of is surrender at voldemort to die
Poor Rumple both of his parents chose power over him. I guess it runs in the family. So in the end she became the biggest threat to Rumple by changing his destiny. Instead of growing up a hero he grew up as a coward which ultimately lead to him becoming the dark one. He never had a chance
shonte lagrone That is why there's always a reason why someone becomes evil.
Don't forget how his fairy godmother abandoned him
Yes! He didn't just not become a hero but he did become the exact opposite, a coward! So by default it was "Be the next Dark One or you die sooner some way or another". So she condemned him to a dark path. Doesn't mean that he couldn't have found another way but mainly that was his predisposition.
He is not a coward. Look how he faced Merida, how he sacrificed himself defeating Pan, how he went to the Duke's castle to find a way to protect Bae. He was never a coward.
LagiNaLangAko23 err nooo. She was the great evil and if she serve red her own fate, rumple would have still being a hero and wouldn’t have to fight her. Instead of sacrificing her power so her son can be brave and a good guy she chose to destroy his instead because she wanted to keep her power
You know if Blue Fairy had zapped Fiona a few seconds earlier Rumple would not have gone down the road he did.
Blue wanted to give fiona a chance to change.
@@contessa8817 And it's convenient to the plot
True, but Emma would have been the Dark One then.
And yet for the sake of plot, she didn't
@@rhaegostheskydragon1760 she still became the darkone
Tiger Lily Was Right!
Evil Is Not Born It’s Made.
Regina said that all along.
Yeah but I don't agree with what blue did to her that would of made it worse I don't agree with any curses though mother's will do anything to protect their son and sometimes it can seem irrational
Tiger Lily and blue made the great evil the black fairy was in pain crying because of her son in danger there is no logic when it comes to mothers and their son but I will say at least Tiger Lily was trying to help
Thomas Merlino i think they both sides are in wrong. They both could have cut their destiny and live in peace, but she chose power. She was indeed evil. Cutting his destiny off led him to being a complete opposite of savior... a coward... a villain. Cutting both of their destinies was totally a way out
Thomas Merlino and also i dont think THEY made it. It was Fiona herself. She was so scared that her son would die that she checked every born child that winter.
It’s crazy to see how similar Rumple is to his parents. All three were normal people with nothing really extraordinary about themselves, but somehow become powerful wielders of magic. They were too scared to lose that power and chose it over their loved ones. That being said, the three were very patient and manipulative. It took them centuries to fulfill their plans, but they still almost achieved it. In the end though, Rumple was brave enough to do what his parents couldn’t, chose love
exactly you are right, and for reminder, the real reason for which rumple wanted to become the dark one was for protect her first child baelfire
Except Rumple is the inverse of his parents as he was born special.
The only difference is that the parents' choice was a choice, while Rumple's was an impulse.
So let me get this straight: Rumple was the Savior but because his mother screwed up, he became the Dark One and Emma was destined as the Savior to stop him. It was a twist I really wasn't expecting but kind of suspected from last season...
Kayla Gaines he became the dark one because he wanted to. And maybe he liked power because he was destined to have in the first place
no, rumple isn't the great evil, the black fairy is
Joe the Right Triangle but the thing is in the show prophecies don't always come true, so what if he was meant to be the dark one anyway?
i dont thing so i thing he was suposed to be the saviour of that time period
this makes me wonder if what happened to Emma was meant to happen to Rumple, like he was meant to become the dark one but resist the lure of darkness like Emma did which makes what Merlin said make sense (someday perhaps someone will be able to hold the dark one's powers and use it for good) and if you're watching Season 7 you'd know Rumple seems like a redeemed man
Despite her cutting Rumple from his heroic destiny, he still ended up being the hero at the end. He sacrificed his life to save Hook. That's a true hero.
you are right, he is "the savior"
and he was already a hero when he has killed peter pan and the black fairy
In a way everyone’s destiny kind of happened he became the saviour as well as the dark one, it just wasn’t his mother that he had to face instead himself.
@@DgardsGaming exactly, the worst enemy of rumple is himself
@@DgardsGaming and belle has been the light of rumple
That look Blue had when Fiona said she needed her power. She knew immediately what she was gonna have to do
Kind of nice that in the alternate 'villians get the happy ending' world rumple was the savior he should have been
Am i the only one who would like to see a scene with Rumple, Peter Pan and the Black Fairy? I mean, it would be awesome
idk l
Yes
That be one hell of a family reunion
Unfortunately Peter Pan doesn't exist anymore even in the underworld
Ikr
Yes I was thinking the same thing! I was kinda disappointed that they never had rumples parents mention each other when he seen them again separately
Gold's story just is a long line of heartbreak. That's a lot of weight for one character to bare.
you are right, the story of rumple is dark and sad
rumple was destined to become a great hero, but he will become the lord of darkness
*coughs* Gabriel Belmont vibes *cough*
It's just generational trauma. Mess.
Lol . So Rumple didnt get to be the saviour and ended up being the dark one 😂 How ironic
Sky Dome yeah, rumple and Emma went through the same process. But Emma was given her “best chance” while rumple was given his worst one.
I like Rumple better as the dark one honestly tho,
Basically their parents choose instead of giving them their choice in life to control it and all innocent be damned
So correct me if I'm wrong but, Fiona options were A:to sever her power so she'd no longer be the cause of her son's death as he was the savior but still let her son die. B: sever rumple's destiny so he wouldn't be the savior, creating a vacuum for a new one, keep her power and remain the great evil so she could protect herself and her son. C: sever both her and rumple's destinies and create a vacuum for a new great evil and savior. Or D: sever neither destiny and be forced to kill her own son or die, because of some prophecy. It seemed like a lose-lose-lose-lose situation for her.
Well serving both destiny's would be a win win Situation
Severing her own destiny would have saved her son, because there would no longer be a great evil prophesized to destroy him
@@meh3017 No, severing her destiny would have made it so SHE was no longer the Great Evil. Instead, someone or something else would become the Great Evil. It's why she felt she needed to keep her powers. Option C is what I would think most parents and rational people would do. Let someone else deal with it and live a happy normal life with your child.
@@sevagbalian8786 Uhhh, you have no evidence of that. No one ever said that there has to be a great evil or that defeating one great evil would force someone else to become the great evil. She severed rumple's destiny to become a savior and another one didn't come until centuries later with Emma, meaning severing rumple's destiny didn't create another savior.
@@meh3017 you literally just said that Rumple not being the Savior created another savior in Emma. You contradicted yourself. Destinies don't have to transfer instantly, they can be delayed.
No clue why you're so pressed lmfao
This is the Fiona I feel sorry for. The Black Fairy not so much.
@Samael T She literally chose her powers over her son, even while knowing that she was the great evil that was destined to kill him. There are lots of villains that I have sympathy for, but not Fiona.
@@wolferup I get where she is coming from though, it makes sense...by severing his destiny he no longer has to 'die' by her hands and she thinks he can just have a normal life. She gets to keep her powers to protect him from any other threat. It is totally logical.
@@bluecheese3896 Fiona was insanely selfish and put herself before her son. She could have cut away her own fate, thus no longer being the Great Evil, thus keeping her son eternally safe from her AND he would also get to keep his happy fate as the admired and heroic saviour, but she took it all away from him and condemed him to the life of a Coward and ultimately the Dark One. And for what? POWER. She chose Power over her son, that is not love. She chose herself when selfishly cutting his fate away from him.
@@bluecheese3896 The truth is that Fiona is one of those overprotective mothers who keep their children locked up for fear they getting hurt, preventing them from growing up, socializing and having experiences. If she had cut herself instead of her son, he wouldn't have needed to be protected because he would have been the one protecting himself. But Fiona instead wanted her son to be weak and dependent on her.
The writers had so much fun with these characters.
"Will spend everyday trying to find my way back to you!" Then after a few hundred years when black fairy first meets Rumple and she realised he's her son she's literally like meh, how did I care that much, "you can keep wondering Rumplestiltskin" still leaving him disappointed again
This proves the saying "Too much of a good thing can turn into a bad thing" to be true.
Blue's first thought was to banish her to a dark realm lol.
Matthew Milian Makes sense. She's the Great Evil and she just got rid of the Savior by changing his fate. Without a savior, she's a danger to everyone and deserved to be banished.
Matthew Milian eh, never liked her anyway
0deadx21 but a realm where she can force children to mine black fairy dust for her
This is going off the assumption that the realm was dark when Fiona was banished there. It could have just been a realm that simply blocked Fiona from truly escaping under her own power. Heck, for all we know, the dark fairy dust in that realm wasn't originally dark, but infused with Fiona's dark magic before she came to terms with her power and accepted who she was, which would then prevent her from infusing more crystals as she explains to Zelena.
Just my two cents, take it or leave it.
That was totally unnecessary
Wait... Maleficent's daughter also had a crescent moon tatoo......
* mindblow *
Girl that was a star😂
Seriously though, how many times are the good guys going to let Blue off the hook for her hand in shit like this? First she caused a dwarf's NAME to be changed just because she was judgmental about a dwarf and a fairy being together, then it was Tinker Bell, and now we find out she REALLY doesn't give a shit who has to pay for the good of all as we now know she was more than willing to see Rumple die to save everyone.
Death isn't even death on this show. All the good guys go to heaven where they get to live forever. In other words, it's pure fantasy.
Carlo Colvin
I think Blue is the only character I hate. She's just as manipulative as Cora to me. All that "greater good" shit is what really gets on my nerves
Carlo Colvin She also lied about how many people the tree could transport so Pinocchio could pass through.
TheCjma88 Geppetto threatened to not make the enchanted wardrobe if Pinocchio could not be one of the two to go through to The Land without Magic.
@@violetrose674 She reminds me of a young dumbledore. He also believed he did everythinf he did for the greater good ( with grindelwald)
Honestly, I blame Blue for all this. All of this "vague future telling" made Fiona obsessed and she became her own worst enemy. In fact, Blue closed a time paradox. By knowing a great evil was after Rumple, she initiated a chain of events that put him in danger. I know it's a hot take but, Blue in my opinion was responsible for a lot of the things that went wrong. If she had never came to inform Fiona that Rumple was a "savior" to defeat a "great evil" then the great evil which eventually became Fiona, never would have been created.
Which makes me wonder... Was Blue's future knowledge about someone else, or was it Fiona the whole time?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
I’m no she’s not to blame for ANY OF THIS, Fiona is. What was Blue supposed to do, take her baby from her and make up a false story. She didn’t tell her everything but Fiona figured it out herself, all she told was that he was the Saviour and Tiger Lily had to protect him
@@jamestolbert1856 Yeah. It's certainly not Blue's fault that Fiona worried too much about the future and didn't enjoy the present.
@@lpallad1 ok yes she shouldn’t told her but Fiona’s the one kept reading on to the prophecy
I always got the impression the blue fairy was a not a good person.
She was caniving and manipulative towards everyone. She constantly told half truths while hiding behind her position of high authority amongst the other fairies.
She changed everyone else's destined based on what she thought was right. I feel rumple may have been the only person to see the real her.
If I was in Stoneybrook I would not trust her.
I think a good description of her would be Chaotic Neutral.
She's for the letter of rules over the spirit and in general somewhat of a tyrant with her power and position.
The fact that she is never directly called out on it is the biggest fuck up in writing on this show.
My sister and I legit hate her. Rumple is right to hate her, and we say that all the time when we rewatch the show.
Imagine if Blue orchestrated this entire story for revenge or some other motive I can’t think of she would be the true villain
She's awful. I hate her too.
Having a great evil night be good for business for Blue I mean who do the hero’s go to and what gives the fairies their magic?
You know the whole "evil made this winter, destined to die against each other." describes Pan more than The Black Fairy. Because he actually died then.
Wait when Fiona severed Rumpel's destiny of becoming The Savior and Rumple ended up becoming not only The Dark One but The Beast to so could it be that Fiona is also the enchantress from the original Beauty and the Beast tale?
she's just an allusion to the enchantress
So basically she has to sacrifice her own child in order to be good, this is why I hate this show. They basically put all the villains in impossible situations that they can’t get out of and all the heroes are put into situations that are so easy. Charming and snow did the exact same thing to maleficent’s daughter and they are considered heroes, UNFAIR!!!!!!!!!
you got it wrong. she had to sacrifice her powers, both her and rumble could live.But she loved her powers too much to sacrifice them
Snow and Charming knew Emma will die in season 6 yet they didn't do what the Black Fairy did, they never had it easy they made a lot of hard decisions, the thing with Lily and Mal was to show they're not perfect and they made mistakes but in the end they learned and didn't repeat their mistake again in S6
Orignally fairies were neither good or evil just powerful forces of nature not to be messed with. From their perspective everything that happened was probably necessary to maintain the balance of existence or something.
yeah but all Fiona had to was give up her power and let her son be the hero he was destined to be. But she chose to have power over doing what's best. As for the charmings I know what they did was wrong but they tried to make up for their mistakes. Even heroes mess up.
She chose to keep her power to protect him from the evils he would face as a savior. His destiny wasn't reduced to fighting Fiona
The Blue Fairy was literally the main villain in OUAT and you cannot convince me other wise. Lets talk about the Regina and Tinkerbell situation. Regina was suffering from a broken heart due to the betrayal from Snow White and Tinkerbell was helping by taking some pixie dust to help find Regina’s soulmate. Regina being who she was at the time chickened out (which is understandable) they found out that Robin Hood was her soulmate (a.k.a. The man with the lion tattoo) but the Blue Fairy banished Tink before she could even help Regina to find the confidence to talk to Robin. If Tink managed that, then Regina would most likely have healed her broken heart and forgiven Snow White and moved on with Robin and she most likely would NEVER had become the Evil Queen 😭 but Blue literally prevented all that from happening and she probably knew too. and you can’t convince me to think that she didn’t know because she can figure out who’s gonna be the next Savior but she didn’t know of the great Evil Queen that would come out of Regina due to a broken heart Tinkerbell was gonna help fix????
And on top of that, let’s not forget that because of her sweet little Dream turned out to be Grumpy. And also, all she had to do to prevent Rumple from becoming the dark was by LITERALLY keeping her mouth shut. She did not have to tell Fiona (Rumples mother) about Rumples destiny and in turn, Fiona would not become obsessed with her child’s destiny and she would not have cut off Rumples destiny to become the Savior, and he wouldn’t have become the Dark One and cause so much pain death and suffering. He would’ve died a hero and a Savior. And who’s to tell that he wouldn’t die old as the Savior? He probably would’ve lived a long fulfilled life and maybe die because of one last heroic adventure (at least that’s how I see it 🤷♀️) but with all of this evidence piling up you can’t convince me that Blue was not public enemy number one 😭
The good are actually the evil who thinks they are righteous
The Blue Fairy sorta ruined rumple's life. She's also the one who gave Baelfire the magic bean to go to a place without magic that led to Rumple losing his son
@valvihk3649 as much as I hate the new descendants movie I do love the line "bad guys don't think that they're bad guys. They see themselves as the good guys in their story. "
Blue fairy continues to piss me off
I empathise Fiona, actually. She wanted to keep her son safe with her powers so she wants her powers and severe his son's fate of becoming the Saviour to defeat her, and in the end got herself banished by Blue Fairy(Mother Superior) to another realm.
Anyone else who actually understands why Fiona did this?
Yes except just not the dark curse I don't like any curses lol
@@thomasmerlino7011 Well she saw it as the only way out
Now that I think about it, she would never be able to cast it at the time (without dark fairy dust) because she would need to crush the heart of the thing she loved most: her son.
@@jetleewj6242 yeah you're right logic goes out the window when mums are protecting their sons
i sort of understand it but like she would be ripping every chid from their own parents
she was a selfish hag! HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT?
What a selfish woman, she took away Gold destiny to become a Savior, and choose her power over his own son, How Despicable.
I think she isn’t that selfish
I kinda understand Fiona, knowing her son would die, that’s pretty awful knowing your son dies before you’re son dies
Like coldely banishing a problem fixes everything that makes the darkness worse you can't just throw your problems away
@@Akira-vg9qx but she’s literally the reason he dies because she chose power over him. so she is selfish
She preferred the powers because if she preferred to lose them her son would be the savior, the only difference would be that someone else would kill him so it is not so selfish:
@@user-kj8ic4rw4x no the prophecy is that her and only her would have to fight him. no one else. if she gave up her magic he would’ve went on to be the savior. instead he had a terrible childhood. so it was selfish
"To a land without magic"
At this point I'm suspecting that all the people in the other realms are only aware of a land without magic but they don't know its history or why it became a land without magic (the murder of Gothel's family in season 7).
No one cares about a show that draggged. Got boring and predictable by season 3
@@jaycemasters4619
That’s true if you mean the complete opposite
It was guaranteed that everything would have to be connected
The real twist is how they do it, and they do it just right every single time (except season 7, that season was still awesome but it was also sloppy)
@@jaycemasters4619 Yeah I noticed by season 4 it dropped off considerably and got worse and worse. Writing was the biggest let down for me because a lot of the half season plots were really good and interesting.
Look who's just there looking on as if she couldn't possibly have had any hand in this: the Blue Fairy.
Blue, the secrets she must be keeping in order to protect, serve and promote 'Magic'. Jiminy suffered consequences as a result of his failure to escape his own parents yet Blue didn't rescue Geppetto's parents. Instead, Jiminy guilt and shame is taken advantage of and is recuited and turned into a guardian cricket. Magic isn't everything; Magic is the only thing - once, always and forever. Right, Blue?
@@mycrowsoffed why would Blue rescue Ghepetto's parents? It was *partly* Jiminy's fault that Ghepetto's parents turned out like that.. and Jiminy wanted to be turned a talking cricket..so why are you blaming Blue for his wish?
Now i belive everytime blue fairy was talking to rumple she wasnt so mean to HIm perse she was just to The Dark One
That works for me too - I like that.
And I'm over here thinking this was Fiona from Shrek...
Leydi Morales I’m thinking about it too
Lmao same 😂
Leydi Morales
That’s dreamworks this is Disney
More like Fiona Goode from AHS
@@arnoldross439 Oh damn she was fuckin psychotic.
Never realized just how much of a religious undertone fairytales had and in turn how much this show had in just this scene alone...
"He's destined to die so that other children may live, that is the fate of the savior" gives me an ick feeling.
These types of stories have been around for thousands of years if anything, religion adopted those ideas from stories centuries before.. All the stories that you see or read have already been told, the only difference is the names, new concepts like technology, or whatever the case may be. Just because you are against religion doesnt mean its bad story telling.
Motherhood can make people crazy.
true, Fiona is so obsessed at protecting her son than it destroys her
Tinker bell should’ve made a appearance in this season because she knew more about Fiona than anyone else and seeing a fight between this two would’ve been great
Too bad Rose McIver was busy with iZombie during this time, if I recall correctly.
To be honest Blue and tiger Lilly are to blame. I know Fionas method wasn’t a good one but she was going to extreme lengths to protect her son. She was worried for him and didn’t want him to die, I wouldn’t want my kid to die that way either. So Fiona didn’t do the right thing but she was doing that off of her mother instincts. What’s done was done, why did blue punish her. She was only trying to protect him.
yes, in trying to save his son, fiona has become The Black Fairy and has tipped in the darkness
Good and evil are made not born one but what lies in destiny can never be changed
The who are good go through as much suffering as the evil the level of tolerance is what tips off the scale in the same manner so do the joys they get from people they meet
Fiona wasn't wrong for wanting to protect her son but the cost was too high and she also forgot that everyone is destined even immortals like the dark one have loopholes hence what was she protecting,she was meant to let destiny take it course
Tiger lily brought this by showing Fiona the book of prophecies
"Why did Blue punish her" because she cut away Rumple's fate of being the Saviour, and before this she was planning to erase all children/babies from existance lol. Why on EARTH do people like you side with Fiona over Blue? Mind boggling. She destroyed her son's fate by cutting his instead of her own fate because she loved her powers more than him. I'm glad Blue banished her.
@@Valoelify I can see your point about Fiona. But I am looking from more of a motherly (parent) viewpoint. What Fiona did, was incredibly wrong, but she wasn’t thinking rationally and did what she thought was best without thinking of the safety of other children. I am not saying what she did was right, and she is still a villain, but she wanted to save her child, and her strategies were not right, but villain or not, she wanted to save her son.
@@kailisworld-2026 no. She had a choice. A mother would sacrifice her own self for her child. She did not.
When both of your parents choose power over you, no wonder Rumple went down the road he went so easily.
you are right, the parents of rumple are of monsters
Emma was really looking stressed in the last seasons :/
Selfishness blended abd masked with love. Dangerous beyond repair
Nah mother's do anything to protect their son sometimes logic goes out the window look how much they were upsetting her you could tell she cared for her son
I now feel bad for Fiona because all she wanted was her son. All the villains in this show do something evil, not just for the power, but for someone they love. They let their emotions get the better of them
yes, and besides it's genetic, fiona has become villain for his son and years later, him too has become villain for his son
but however, when fiona became the black fairy she has really got villain, but when rumple is became the dark one, he stayed nice for bealfire
But the reason her son was in danger in the first place was her own fault. She become the great evil destined to kill her sons by her very own actions.
The truth is that Fiona is one of those overprotective mothers who keep their children locked up for fear they getting hurt, preventing them from growing up, socializing and having experiences. If she had cut herself instead of her son, he wouldn't have needed to be protected because he would have been the one protecting himself. But Fiona instead wanted her son to be weak and dependent on her.
My fav show
And this is where it all began the creation of the evil that set once upon a time in place
2:01 Fiona is like: oh shit.busted
Lol why is Blue always sticking her nose in things!?!?
I gave up on this show before this point. It just got ridiculous.
Season 5
It seems like the more characters they tried to cram in the more ridiculous it became!
I loved all the seasons except for the last one. They rushed it because the show was being canceled and it left a lot of loose ends.
What? How, why? This show brought me to my knees.. one of the best shows ever to exist.
The only reason I kept watching it was for Emma and Killian.
i mean technically rumple is the savior. He did basically beat everyone single one of the big bads in the series
So, anyone else want to point out that once again, the Blue Fairy was the trigger for things going tits up? If she had never told Fiona about Rumple being a Savior there would be no Black Fairy, no Pan, and Rumple would never have become the Dark One.
I can't believe pans wife is Fiona the dark fairy
You know, I don’t get why Fiona needed to sever anything after becoming the great evil.
She had supreme power over whether she would have to fight her son or not. She could literally just do her thing and as long as she didn’t hurt her son, it would turn out alright.
People be grabbing hearts like candy
I'm sorry but I saw this on my channel and the black fairy is played by HG Wells from warehouse 13 I love it
Talk about a comment on helicopter parenting.
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The black fairy, choose power, but she's not entirely a villain, she chooses it for security, not really to do harm, or at least that's the way i see it
yes, initially, she wanted to do the black magic to try to protect her son, but unfortunately, she has destroyed herself
Even in the end the severed destiny still happens, she only severed his destiny as a savior but never really could sever the destiny that her son would still fight her and destroy her. He may have not been a savior to do battle with his mother, but he still came out a hero to save everyone.
Doesn't that still make him the saviour in the situation.
@@miche6563 In a way it still does since he was the one to save everyone from the greatest evil.
One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it. Or in this case, her.
If these fairies spared Fiona from pain of idea of losing their son or either tried to reason with her , no ugly event of this show would have happened . I feel sad for Fiona and hate Tiger lily and blue for not taking care of Rumple unlike a real fairy godmother . Blue 's anti redemption approach ruined both Regina and Black fairy . Also S7 Regina casted the curse for protecting her son just like Fiona wanted and instead , Fiona was forced to live millions of years and become a villain while Regina was saved so , here Fiona was not the villain , Blue was. I wish someone called out Blue for it and made her regret everything shady she did .
Might be just miscommunication (maybe did not teach them assertive communication in fairy school lol) , but otherwise I totally agree!
just watching this made me think that i need to watch this season again because Rumple was supposed to be the savior
Fiona and Cora could compete with each other for the worst mother ever price.
So rumple was actually supposed to be good? Not the dark one?
Yep, rumple was meant to be The Savior, and fight in the final battle against his mother.
But she chose her power, and ruined Rumple’s destiny, as a result, he became power obsessed (probably because he was meant to have it in the first place) and him being The Dark One.
Basically the same thing Snow and Charming did to Emma, they took the potential for darkness out of her when she was a baby.
In Rumple’s case she took the potential for light.
I don't think she was wrong she did not want her son to die she was trying to protect him she should have just explained it to him
Am I the only one who wanted to see Blue really fight the Black Fairy?
yeah, a fight magic between them would have been amazing
I thought Blue couldn't be shadier than she was in 3*3 ,then I saw this
Ok if theres one thing i’ve learned from this show its:
NEVER SAY A PROPHECY NEVER WRITE A PROPHECY AND NEVER BE A PROPHECY
cos literally everyone becomes evil that way or does some effed up action:
Regina tries to murder Emma
Rumple tries to murder Henry (for like a bit)
Zelena tries murdering Dorothy
Fiona tries murdering Tiger Lily
Wow a lot of attempted murder happens
Poor Rumple. Imagine what his life would've been had Fiona chose to give up her fate instead of his?
I think he would have lived in a real family happy and united and that he would truly become a savior
@@soixsantes begs the question, would Baelfire still be born? And would he still have met Belle? Kind of messes with your head doesn't it?
@@sunnicorran9244 you are right but I simply answered at the question than you have asked
If she did, Peter Pan wouldn’t have existed, Rumple wouldn’t have known how to spin wool, Rumple might’ve not been protective of his family as he is technically, Rumple would’ve never met belle, Regina wouldn’t have been born, Emma wouldn’t have been born, David would’ve never lost his brother or father, Hook would’ve never lost his hand or his brother to night shade, however the king who has sent them on their journey would’ve easily won that war, the ogre wars would’ve taken even more lives, the list continues. Everyone who Peter Pan had encountered, all the children the dark fairy kidnapped, and every deal Rumple made would’ve never happened. Thus many people would never have been born, saved, cured, and fought.
@@animebrat76 point taken.
With his haircut, Robert Carlisle looks like Joe Pesci.
Well look at that, like mother like son.
It’s like she circumcised his power lol
00:55 favourite moment
00:59 tiger lily shocked face
01:08 tiger lily pain face
01:21 tiger lily another shocked face
01:47 tiger lily realize the truth
02:03 tiger lily heart returned
This scene was so depressing. Rumple finding out he was the savior he was supposed to be good and his own mother turned him evil and destroyed his life
Exactly, poor rumple, his mother is a monster
Who just loves this and watches it in 2021
Blue could have stunned Fiona and used shears on her or take away her wi gs , but no Shady Blue wants to cause trouble which lead to perhaps every event on this show . She is Umbridge of once upon a time.
Umbridge?
No.
More like God in the bible judging humanity fucking up even as he let it happen that way to begin with.
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None of that matters in the end because rumple still ended up destroying her fate found another way
the prophecy has been fulfilled, the savior at destroyed the black fairy
isnt the bluefairy from descendants 1 and 2 she is Belle right??
so destiny is inevitable unless you have a pair of scissors apparently lol XD
They gotta be magical scissors though
@@oncerand_directioner fucking magical to cut fate like that. that's god level.
Even though Fiona was the Evil she was looking for, what Blue did to her was Way more of a bitchy move than severing the baby from his destiny
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moi aussi j'adore la serie, elle est génial
@@soixsantes oui super 😘
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It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. If she never knew the prophecy she would never do all that stuff to save her sons life, never become the reason of his destiny and never destroyed it. Because of her knowing it the prophecy became true and she had to cut it.
I still don't understand why Fiona couldn't have just cut both hers and her son's destinies so neither one had to worry about the final battle. She could've lived a normal life like how she had planned to do in the beginning with her husband. She was stupid. And I laughed when she died by Rumple's hand. He killed both his parents.
for me, when rumple killed them both, he is became a hero
@@soixsantes I agree. He had made the next step past temptation by killing his mother and becoming a hero. That's why i was so happy. He was probably the most complex character in the story and I found his journey the most interesting.
@@annaduenwald9649 exactly, the story of rumple was very interesting and mysterious to discover, and he has had a life very dark and sad
I really thought they were setting Tiger Lily up to be the main good fairy in Season 7, just like Blue was in Season 1. But she only showed up once in season 7, and that was in a flashback. There was so much potential for the character that was wasted, but then again that’s how the show runners did things. On a side note, Rumple’s mother didn’t really change his destiny. He did eventually die in battle against a great evil - it just happened to be in battle against the wish realm version of his Dark Lord self instead of his mother
Also, it was Rumple’s mother’s own fault Rumple would have to face a “great evil.” Truth is she could have given up her powers and not tried to kill Tiger Lily. Then she wouldn’t become the great evil and Rumple could have gone on being the savior. Then he wouldn’t have become the Dark One and he wouldn’t have lost his son. She basically screwed his entire life up with her decision
@@curtyeomans8446 exactly, rumple was destined at become a savior but he is became the dark one
I think the real issue was that Fiona did not bother to cut off her own destiny. She cut off her child's destiny to fight the great evil and die in the process. But that did not change the fact that she was to killed by her child according to her destiny.
I love this show sm
Those are the ✂️ that the fates used
Wait... The blue fairy looked familiar to me... Isn't she Keagan Connor Tracy? The one who starred on Final Destination and Descendants (both 1 and 2)? She's actually my favorite actress. 😄
Yes it is.
Yeah, the blue fairy knew the whole that he was meant to be a savoir. She could have saved him and fulfilled his destiny. Cause in the end, deep down, he is a savoir. It explains a lot about Rumple and why he was a powerful dark one
Bruh. She didn't even need to go all evil and shit. Rumple could have still been the savior and she could have just chose not to kill him once she found out she was "the great evil".
No she didn't but blue pushed her to
Now we all know why Rumple was such a wreck. His parents basically screwed him over. That scarred him for life.
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Always hated Blue Fairy. Saw her as an inadvertent villian with some of her choices and ridiculous deals so one sided it made the actual villians seem fare.
I just realize that the blue fairy is from Descendants
she plays the role of "belle" in "descendant
the mother of "ben"
If Fiona cut herself from her fate she would be powerless but Rumple fate being the saviour will be the same, she may love power but she also don't want to be powerless when knowing other evil will still come for her son. If you can't forgive her for this then you shouldn't forgive Rumple too because he do exactly the same with Baelfire and Belle, Rumple maybe good at the end but the difference is he had people who loves him enough to always give him a chance no matter what he did. For me It's no one fault here, it's just a fate
just to say at about of belle and baelfire, they are what than rumple loves the most in his life
Rumple gave her a chance, and she turned Belle into a coward who's afraid to leave her house. Furthermore, Fiona's desire is completely selfish because even if it is true that by taking away her powers she would not have been able to protect her son, at the same time, if she had cut herself off instead of him, Rumple would not have needed to be protected because he would have been the one to protect himself alone. So in this case Fiona behaved like one of those overprotective mothers who lock their children in a glass bell and make them incapable of care of themself and that don't want they grow up and become indipendent.
I guess the Blue Fairy was just waiting to banish Fiona until it was too late. Was her banish spell on cooldown or something? Seriously, Blue Fairy, what the hell took you so long?
1:57. Why she so casual about death
Tigerlilly you made the evil
Should have let her go
Exactly mums do anything to protect their son
Well Tiger Lily was right though they did destroy each other 😳
Did anyone knowdest that the blue fairy is the actor of belle in Descendants
I’m gonna say it if no one else has already… THE BLACK FAIRY WAS A KAREN!!!
Wow!.... Rumple, I can see how you developed a complex. lol. :P
First Savior is Rumple.
Second Savior is Aladdin.
And finally third savior is Emma.
for me the real savior of the series is "emma swan" and forever
she is beautiful, strong, courageous and she is not afraid of anything
@@soixsantes her fear was Gideon and the darkness itself and final battle. She resolved all of her fears after she faced them. Faced Gideon.
@@TheRealValGalstyan Exactly, besides when she has decided of is surrender facing at gideon, This reminded me of the end of Harry potter when he has also decided of is surrender at voldemort to die
@@TheRealValGalstyan and gideon was a poor slave of the black fairy
So wait....Tiger Lily is a fairy now? I thought she was an Indian Princess? And Rumple was the Savior? I need to re-watch this season. lol
Why the hell did Blue fairy waited for the Black Fairy to change Rumple's destiny before sending her far away... Such inconsistencies.