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Wood stoves - An Architect's Buying Guide ( what you need to know )
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
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In this video I present a comprehensive buying guide - a primer on what you need to know before buying a wood stove.
Topics include:
Material selection - Steel vs. Cast Iron
Cost
Stove Output (BTU vs. Size)
Firebox size
Efficiency
Catalytic vs. Non-Catalytic
Flue (Interior and Exterior)
Hearth Protection
Wood Storage
Ash pan
Aesthetics
Maintenance
Acquiring, stacking and moving wood will become a part of your life. I personally embrace these as part of my choice to live in a cold climate, and I feel like the added effort is good for both myself and the environment - but it’s certainly not for everyone.
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Unbelievable video, answered all of my 1,000 questions.
As an Architect, I'm giving you 5 stars for an excellent video.
This is the best overview video I've found on wood stoves. Appreciate the inclusion of catalytic vs non in the discussion. And the photos show beautiful architecture and settings. Thanks for this!
You're quite welcome +Steve Wages...glad it was helpful...
Thank you for this. I'm watching this five years after you published it, I believe it will give me a good grounding as I begin to explore this for my new home.
Having grown up with wood heating I really craved it when living in a house that didn't have one, you really cant beat the radiant heat produced by wood heaters that warms your body like no other heat source. I recently purchased a small wood heater and though its correct for the space being heated I certainly notice the disadvantage in the maximum size of wood that can be put in the heater at once and especially having to place the logs horizontally which safety wise is not ideal as if not careful the logs have a tendency to want to roll out the front but is necessary as the depth of the heater is simply to small to place them any other way. If I bought one again I would go with the medium to large size that I grey up with. It is however very efficient.
Super informative, everything you ever wanted to know about heating with wood, thank you!
I split and stack cords upon cords of wood each year for my folks. that's their primary heating fuel for the radiant floor heating system in dad's shop.
we've got trees either dieing or someone cutting down a tree line somewhere not too far away.
as for the ashes, they keep insects out of and off of mom's garden plants and maintain a better pH level.
there's benefits to everything if you're willing to look.
Living in Michigan, I can't possibly imagine being without my Wood stove. I have a "QuadraFire". Cost was approx $3600 installed. I'm in Rural MI so have to use Propane. Where in years prior I used to have to fill my 500Gallon tank 2.5 times annually( between $2500-$3200 per winter), the woodburner has reduced that cost 1/2. Now I fill my tank 1.5 times annually or even just once.
This is not a recommendation. Living in Michigan and heating 85% of the time with a high efficient free standing stove with a double wall SS chimney and burning well cured Ash I swept my chimney every 4 years over a 20 yr period. I would remove no more than about a third of a cup of fine black particulate from the sweep of the 15' chimney. I'm sure the type of wood and stove efficiency matters. excellent vid and a thumbs up for sure
Great Video Eric! Enjoyable, easy to listen to and extremely informative.
In fact I can't believe that in almost 6 years no one has done a video as informative as this one, easy nice plain and simple but with all the details and information needed.
I now definitely have a much better understanding of what to look for and I know how to compare different options.
Eric if you have time to answer, what would be the difference between a wider vs taller fire box?
Thanks a lot for sharing this knowledge
Cheers
Great overview of aesthetically pleasing and commercially available options. If I was installing another stove, it would be a rocket mass heater, if I could get it passed by local codes. Often a little odd looking, current models are capable of burning wood with greater efficiency than gas furnaces. Unfortunately still stuck mostly in a kind of hippy or off grid market. And mostly a DIY project, though that is changing.
Permies is the best source for information, and their DVD series in particular. Such stoves leave virtually no ash, absolutely leave no creosote, retain heat for long periods after the burn, and burn very little wood.
Not to be confused with rocket stoves, that are often welded out of steel in the "West", RMHs use refractory materials that can handle the small "chimney fire" conditions that exist when they are running efficiently.
GREAT video my friend! Thank you !
Thanks for posting this vid, very informative.
thanks for doing a video on modern wood stoves. I own a Morso like the one at 7:05 of the video. I like that you talk about wood length on the vid. My stove can only take a 10 inch long piece of wood. I process my own wood but if something happened and I couldnt do it any longer I would not be able to buy a cord of wood because the 16 inch length is the standard for a cord of wood. Something to think about.
indeed...so many imported stoves that I love the design of, but some take - as you say - 10 or 11" (matchsticks)!
Thank you for very good information. One thing I've heard over and over about the EPA rated non-catalytic wood stoves that burn the gases using vented pipes inside the top area, is that the wood MUST be well seasoned preferably hardwood and very dry for them to work well. This is probably true of the catalytic stoves as well, but I've been more studying the former type. The idea of less particulate matter and smoke out into the atmosphere is very appealing, as well as using less wood through efficient burning. Thanks for the info.
Interesting that I heard the catalytic were more particular about not having well seasoned dry wood.
Thank you for the video. Information I never thought of, I will now.
If you want to heat a home seriously with wood, there is NO better stove than the Progress Hybrid Wood Stove made by the Woodstock Soapstone company. I have their Fireview model, have been using it 9 years and it is the only source of heat in my home - we have nothing else. For as good as it is the new Progress model is even better. There is no other stove that so completely burns EVERYTHING and puts out such heat. (and it is a good, constant even heat, not the blast you get from steel and cast iron stoves). The EPA test chart shows just how badly this stove beats all others. There is nothing close to it. The only drawback, if it is one, is that it is very heavy, because a large part of it is made from soapstone. However this is where all the benefit comes from, as well as the beauty. IMHO they are also the best looking stoves made.
Wish there was a link to the stoves shown and where to buy
Great video, very informative for a designer. Thank you thank you thank you.
Great job with this! 🎉
Thanks for your video and you tech help. I learnt a few things today watching your video
In my opinion, most wood burning stoves today are designed more so someone can “see the fire,” than they are as a means of supplying efficient heat to a home. If all you want to do is to see the fire, a better choice is to have a fake fireplace. Designers have produced some attractive designs. On the other hand, if supplementary Winter heat is your goal, you need thermal mass. For that nothing beats a masonry heater. I prefer a European style masonry heater for supplementary Winter heat. Unfortunately, these are heavy so it is best to design the house for their support from the get go. If you must use a wood stove, do it this way. Build a thermal battery under the house. Run some water-filled pex from the thermal battery to a radiant floor. If you designed the house to incorporate passive solar heat and have solar gain from South facing windows, run the radiant floor N-S for maximum efficiency. Install a small but efficient wood burning stove in a central location. Coil a water pipe around the exhaust stack of the stove. Imbed both pipes in masonry so as to form a thermal mass or surround them with an insulated pipe, it’s up to you. Circulate the water through the thermal mass under your house. Burn your stove hot for a clean and complete burn. Virtually no heat will be lost up the stack. You can add valves so that you can preheat your hot water if you like. If you include a parallel air pipe in the masonry chimney, you can circulate warm air through the under slab thermal mass as well. Just blow the accumulated heat from the attic/ceiling (heated even more by the stack gases and thermal mass of the chimney) into and through a duct passing through the thermal battery. Use a manifold and the the air handler fan to blow the hot air throughout the house. The Beauty of this design is that all sources of heat, heat from the stove, heat from the windows, heat from appliances, and heat from your body are all used to charge the thermal battery. There you go.
Awesome video. Great resource.
Nothing beats the feel or look of a wood burning heater...Count the number of times you have to cut/ handle/store wood...bet you can't get it less than six. Outdoor wood storage with door into home for indoor storage.
What a great video. Thank you muchly! I learned a lot.
Very helpful, thank you.
Thanks had new stove Ecco design in uk fitted last week wish l had it years ago l highly everyone who can to have one fitted there so classy and make your home so comfortable thanks
This is great information. Thank you.
Thanks so much! Great information!
I live near Seattle. We have burn bans from time to time, based on air quality, due to temperature inversion layers, in which there is warm air above cold air, or due to a lack of wind.
It don't have to be a steel stove, you can use limestone(for looks) or soapstone.
Soapstone stores the heath and slowly release the heath, giving a much longer effect of your wood.
And it looks fricken sexy, kinda like a grey marble.
It's more functions in a stove today to, like heating up water before sending it to the hot water tank.
Than warm water it's used for floor heating, before being reheated in the stove again.
They are quite normal in Norway, I remember looking at different options back when I was planning to do a self build.
7:00 Catalytic vs non.
I believe creosote condenses at 300 degrees, and lower. So temps higher than than will help keep the inside of your pipe cleaner.
Carpenter Family The point about a cleanburn stove is that when properly operated any creosote is burned before it enters then flue, there is nothing to condense. A highly efficient modern stove has remarkably low flue temperatures, as most of the heat is directed into the room. In order to help them draw properly in light of the low flue gas temperatures it is often worthwhile or even essential to line existing masonry chimneys.
Good video but feels like you miss out on a lot of the ideas with air flow circulation systems connected with the fire place. For example, even in many of the old Swedish "kakelugnar" there is a hot air exchanger to a system that brings in cold air from the outside and circulates it around the house in a separate heating pipe that coils the building. So the oven is not necessarily heating the space close to the fire but acts like a central heating system.
God bless you for sharing this detailed knowledge
Thank you for this great video.
Id like more info on sourcing cutting edge contemporary fixtures, lighting, and surface textures
can you make a video that tackles deeper thoughts about sustainability?
He mentioned learning about heating values and your application. For example, in New Mexico, we have invasive species like Salt Cedar, which you file for a permit, and cut to your hearts content since it'll be back next year. Other places in New Mexico have issues where people cut good trees like Juniper or Pinon rather than taking only dead wood. If you have enough room, consider growing bamboo on your own property. You grow it in staggered crops and dry it outside for a given period of time. When you do it for a year or two, you get the hang of it. Some species like hemp or switchgrass grow rapidly, but make a lot of ash when you burn them. It's not a big deal, but you do need to plan where to put your ash, like your garden. Salty species like salt cedar give you ash that you can kill weeds with. Other species like pecan are almost ash-free, but never make charcoal. Some woods make nice big coals that burn all night. Also, get a stove with an outside air kit. It's awesome. Sustainability is thought to be less of an issue in some aspects because 70% of the population will die at the end of the fossil era if no replacement is found.
Thank you, great information.. I wanted to get the Kimberly Wood Stove, for my Skoolie, but at first I thought it to be pricey. ... But after seeing your video I think I may have to play "Lotto", more along with some Overtime at work....
My bus has no additional insulation and inside dimension are:
7',6"W X 35'L X 6',5" H, I'm hoping a medium sized wood stove will do the job
Please, let me know if I'm wrong,...
Thank you, again
Good stuff, but it would be nice to go into details of the burn technology of different types of stove.
Dear Derick You must of gotten this information out of a book and some of it is misinformed One point you said cast iron cannot be welded this is not the case as a welder of thirty years I can tell you that in deed it can be welded and Iron stoves can be repaired.
Hi Marc, what type welding process and rod composition do you use to weld cast iron? I’m curious because I do lots of renovation work involving cast iron and every time I send the coupons to the lab they always come back high in silica, sulphur and carbon which makes it brittle and problematic to weld to. I typically have to drill to install a bolted collar with A36 steel that I can then connect steel to.
brazing is the process most used to repair cast iron.... need to CLEAN the cast very well, V grind the cracks, and use the proper rod and flux. preheat the cast iron, and after brazing, cool the cast as slow as possible. IE wrapping in welding blankets... a non welding way to repair thick cast is to drill and tap along the crack run in a mild steel bolts, clip off the head and peen them... then repeat this process between the previous bolts.
You have a great voice.
Is it a stove if it can't be used for cooking?
Excellent informative video!
Regarding your first photo, with a small stove in a "sunroom". Using a radiative stove near a wall of normal glass double pane glazing will lose lots of energy through the windows as infrared thermal emissions.
A convective stove, with a blower would help, Much less of the heat is emitted as IR, and goes to directly heating the air in the room. Convective stoves also generally get more heat in to your house. and have lower temperature smoke. Another strategy would be to use "heat mirror", or glazing with low emissivity coatings.
All insulated glazing these days has low-e coatings...
Can you please send me links of where I can buy these modern stoves, please
THANKSGIVING
very thorough lecture ?Do you have a website or company.
What do you think of Jøtul F-371
Jøtul-481 or Jøtul F-163. Could you please explain the differences and how high maintenance are they? We are looking at F-371, but we don't quite understand what F-481 difference is. www.jotul.no/produkter/vedovner
There is a learning curve on operating a catalytic combustor. Once mastered, you'll never want another conventional. I do believe you mentioned conventional stoves are almost as efficient as catalytic? I found that conventional stoves, in real world comparison, are inefficient and just a lot more work.
I want to purchase a old cast iron stove like I grew up with are these safe ? I don’t care for the newer ones it would only be used for a short time each winter
some great looking stoves. where do you go to see items like this and purchase in USA?
Live in Mid-Atlantic area.
I too found this very interesting and helpful. That said, I'm looking into a Jotul or similar "fake" wood stove i.e. gas-burning, for a variety of reasons, the main being that it will (if all works out) be a rental space in my basement and too much to deal with if it's a real wood stove. It will be more for aesthetics, although my understanding is these types of gas stoves do heat up a room fairly well as well. I know this isn't whatsoever what your video was about (!) but if you can give any tips on gas stoves of similar beauty, I'd be most grateful! :) I want to know if/how the rules change for the flues re. going through a floor, and/or outside wall, and whether the flue (chimney?) has to go all the way up above the house with the 3' clearance etc. if it's gas. Do you happen to know? Also curious if a corner unit needs as much re. a fire-retardant wall as in the case of the wood stoves. Probably so, I dunno. Thanks so much!
Each district may have specific regulations for clearances from internal structures. These include the separation between the flue and joists and nogs within the wall.
Good video. Do you know some book that is about building stoves? Thanks.
i like ash, beats oak no contest. seasons in 6 months, ash borer makes sure there plenty of free wood
Do you have any more info of the house at 9:20? Thanks!
Can anyone identify the stove that appears starting at 10:37?
Noah Brick looks like a hase stove, very expensive but worth it
the image from14:42 where can i find that house ?
Do not. It's a bird trap. A lot of birds will fly to the glass, cause they can't see it.
Ummm. What's a "foot"?
bout 12 ins
At the first you mention that burning wood is good renewable resource. .no it is not...renewable....unless hardwood trees have been planted way in advance...to accomadate the cutting, and selling of the wood ...most people who go into the wooded forest do not own, this property. .and cut down dead or already fallen trees...those that cut live trees...for firewood, most likely do not replant that type of tree...it takes many years for hardwoods to mature to worthy sizeable firewood...so for you to say it is a renewable resource is inaccurate. ..you must have acres upon acres upon acres of hardwoods maturing to make it renewable...if not the forest will disappear. ..
No wood stoves that most of us actually use for heating. Too cute. Too aesthetic and $$$. Ask real wood heaters what we actually use.
another con not for a house full of cats that jump everywhere
How stupid do u think cats are?
Leave it to an architect to choose form over function. Not a one of them cast iron which retains heat much longer than any steel stove. End User "It's not efficient!" Architect "I know but it looks cool that's what counts"
Love me some YT comments...you clearly didn't have the sound on... 2:08 - 3:39
Really do any of these fail? After 9/11 I can not see others using something like this.
Sucks