I’m doing the Harley tuner with the torque cam because it won’t void my warranty. Once my warranty expires I’ll go to a different cam and power vision tuner. I’ve had built motors in the past but now I do long distance touring (10-12k mile trips). Reliability has to be my number one priority. The more crazy and big you build a motor the more you risk reliability problems.
2022 RGS here, s&s 2in1, harley torque cam powervision tuner. Bike absolutely rips legend revo arc for suspension. My bike is a whole new monster. I'm happy with the harley torque cam.
Couldn’t agree with you more. The 114 stock feels choked after 4.5K rpm and underpowered to me.I have a 22 RKS did stage 2 after 1000miles also SE Torque cam but my reasoning was to keep the extended warranty. This this is a hot rod! Absolutely love it now.
I don’t know why so many people have a problem with screaming eagle parts… there is nothing wrong with getting an upgrade that is a safe upgrade… when you go pushing your engine as hard as it can go you are shortening it’s lifespan.. increasing the maintenance. Screaming eagle gives you added performance to make your engine nice and lively. All the power you need to have fun. Without having to constantly chase your tail upgrading other parts to handle all the extra power… at that point maybe you should have bought a supersports bike instead of a cruiser but that is just my opinion. Ive owned sports bikes all my life and just got my first harley… i want my harley to last so when i start doing upgrades i’m going to be very happy to go with screaming eagle…
I've got a 2023 Road Glide Special, and the first thing I did was put in a Screaming Eagle Stage 2. I couldn't be happier. The extra pull in any gear is awesome and the sound is definitely an ear grabber. I do like tunnels and over passes.
I support your choice as its the same as mine. One of my bikes is a 2021 Street Glide and i just picked up the SE8 447 Cam, SE tappets (lifters) along with S&S Tappet cuffs (those plastic stock ones are shit), SE adjustable pushrods, SE Cam plate, SE oil pump. Just waiting to get the bike in before spring so i can see how it sounds and feels. I already have the full stage one that i was pretty impressed with, i went with Cobra True dual head pipe with Cobra neighbour hater slip ons, have the SE Ventilator air cleaner and the SE tuner and with the stage one she really came alive, i heard good things about the SE8 447 cam as it puts the power where i like it. Just finished 14" Meathook handlebars and added the Legend rear shocks and mustang seat with removable passenger seat, the bike should feel awesome in the spring
Did stage 2 with torque cam before I took delivery of my 19 RKS... I know there are better options out there numbers wise... but that bike RIPS and souns like a proper Harley to me... I support your choice for sure! Only problem is I need a stickier rear tire or 1st gear is almost useless 🤣
I had the cam , and stage one done before I picked up the bike. The Harley tuner is limited by the EPA. I used Rinehart pipes as I liked the sound the best. It’s my second bike with the m8 and I learned what I like My next thing to tackle is the sound system.
You’ve done a great job building your bike. I really like the colors combined with the chrome and black. The Harley cam is a good addition. Nice work !
I instructed my dealer do Stage 2 and exhaust upgrades day one on my new bike (2023 Street Glide 107). I went with the SE oval Ventilator K&N air cleaner, SE-447 torque cam. SE tuner, Bassani catless head pipe. Rinehart DBX 4.5 exhaust. Then I realized I had never ridden my bike in stock form, not even a test ride prior to the Stage-2 so I can't say how much it helped! I gave serious thought to after market engine upgrades but I had the thought life is too short to go even a day without added go. I negotiated new Chrome forks in the new bike deal and while the dealer was installing that it was so easy to call him saying go ahead and do the stage 2 and the DBX45's! That Cam / Rinehart sound on my 1st day of new Harley ownership was a great choice even if I upgrade go wild with a build in a few years! The only other thing I wonder about now during the nest 2 years of being in warranty could I use the SE wide band 02 , Smart Tune Pro system as I plan to ride the coast to the high hills and but I can't get a feel from the dealer or anyone if it will play nice with those free flowing Rineharts and the catless header pipe?
I put the Harley torque cam on my Street Glide ST - I like it fine - I don't have dyno numbers on it or anything, but it sounds great and has plenty of power for me.
I got a stage 3 122k screaming eagle kit on order for my 2022 road glide st I was having second thoughts was just not so sure.. any thoughts on that set up.. I don't was a high lift cam and kill the motor.. a lot of 2 up
I put an aftermarket cam RS468 in my 2018 Ultra Classic. It definitely performs, but it has some driveability issues under low load conditions below 2k RPM. Fuel Moto says it’s the nature of the cam and don’t run it below 2300 rpm, but I have an entrance to work that is 15 mph for almost a mile. It stumbles the whole way. If I do it again it will be the SE447 cam.
I've got the Road Glide ST with the stage 2 screaming eagle, Khrome werks exhaust, and Krause bar setup. I couldn't be happier! Once the warranty is done, I might switch to a different cam, but for now this thing rips. All the power you need. Great video!!
I think the screaming eagle kit is a good upgrade. It's definitely a noticeable difference. Myself personally I would never buy it. Most riders that I have met that purchase the screaming eagle kits, mainly want to keep their warranty. The other issue I have with screaming eagle is the fact you pay all of that money and you still have a governor on your bike. Moonshine HD does a great job of showing their builds and they also warranty their work even if it's not under HD. I just can't see myself spending that much money and still be governed. At the end of the day it's every riders choice how they want to build their bike. To some a screaming eagle kit is enough power. Riders like myself I want full performance for what I paid for. That's the great part about youtube. You can view some credible creators that can show you the differences and also save you some money. Stay safe👍
With my stage 1 my Road Glide is nolonger smooth as it was stock when I purchased it. Now, it's a rougher ride, aggressive with more power. It's louder and now it seems like a different bike. Now I'm in the middle of a Stage 2. Can't wait.
I have a 2019 FXLR M8 107 with the extended warrantee and the following Dealer installed parts: Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner Screamin' Eagle Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module Screamin’ Eagle Ventilator Air Cleaner Kit Screamin' Eagle Extreme-Flow 55MM Intake Manifold Screamin’ Eagle Street Cannon Slip-On Mufflers Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage II - Torque Kit Dyno @ 500 miles: 661 Weight 97 HP 104 Torque relatively flat across the RPM range
Reliability is big bro I know guy with stock Harley from 85 100k miles no issues whatsoever he swears by stock motors I also know people with m8 stock 107 100k miles and they also swear by stock for reliability. That being said it’s up to you and what your happy with.
I traded in a 2021 Kawasaki vaquero for my Road Glide with no regrets. However, since I've been working on my Road Glide I have witnessed what people are saying about Harley having inferior parts. It's true! The Kawasaki had very superior parts and if you know Japanese Manufacturer, they don't play that. They don't take short cuts. Enough there. So I choose S&S 465 Cam. A Sharkroad 2-1 full Exhaust. And a full high flow airfilter. My personal choice. I haven't finished my Stage 2 yet. Before I did the Stage 2, my bike changed in power and character once I installed the Sharkroad. No more smoothness. Rough, aggressive, powerful. Maybe when I do the tuning that the ride will change.
The screamin eagle cams do under perform compared to aftermarket cams. Its your choice what cam you put in your bike but I would highly recommend an aftermarket tuner because they make the bike run to its best ability which helps with the longevity of the motor. The screamin eagle tuner can cause engine problems. If you spend all that money on a good exhaust, cam , lifters, installation and dyno tune then you should have it tuned to its best ability.
@@cheby56 Obviously you have zero experience with engine performance upgrades on your Harley. It is a proven fact that powervisison, tts mastertune, direct link, thundermax and other aftermarket tuners have a much wider tuning capability than the SE tuner. Also the SE tuner doesn't have the ability to tune bikes with RDRS
Have the torque cam with se street cannons stock headpipe and noticed when I put the decat on I lost a little bottom it dipped. When I put the header back on with the street cannons no low end no dip. I probably could change that with a better tuner but I am good for what it is. It takes right off. 2020 road king
Same reason why my 131 is all SE. lol With that said, I'm going to buy a extra ecm and run a TTS tuner. When I take it into the shop, I will switch ecms.
@@palmettolowlife1996 they will suspect because of the date codes. The mustang - Camaro boys thought they could swap out ECUs long long ago, doesn't work. Pls the mileage will differ another tip off.
I have the same bike with power cam and screaming eagle auto tuner all the works of screaming eagle under that cam cover the only exemption is tappets sleeve that are a must are s&s and for being my first Harley-Davidson touring the bike is a hoot to ride.
I work off a 114 M8 Road King. I've never felt like it's under powered though. It's just heavy and not a sport bike or the lighter soft tail frame. The suspension is definitely subpar from a professional standpoint. Stage 2 is definitely cool to have. Ricor Intiminators are definitely a cheap way to dramatically improve the front end. That and different springs (RaceTech, FOX, etc). Rear frame stablizer helps too. Harley should do that from the factory imho. Rear suspension is not the worst thing ever but it definitely needs to have adjustable damping. I don't have replacement shocks but I would spend money on something with adjustable preload and damping.
Thx. I’ve been on the fence for a few months. Really was leaning towards the rs468 but my esp was my concern. I have the street turner also and didn’t want it to go to waste. Been on the phone the last few weeks getting more info because it’s time and you just helped with my final decision. Ride safe!!!
Love the bike 🏍 I have the same exact one. It's at harley i can't wait to pick it up I got a stage 2 installed chrome forks led lights waiting on my chrome rims so happy for you man
I think you made a good choice and swayed me back from the aftermarket lol. You go after market then its cam chests-intakes-dyno tuned-2 into 1-clutch and on and on. I like how my bike runs know. Don't want to change that. Just a little more thump and power. I have the poor man's RG with 107 so being smaller motor probably have a little more thump thump to idle. I tend to believe I live in upper RPMs but people still say go with torque cam over the power. Anymore detail as why you chose the torque cam?
@@ESGC760 with SE torque cam, upgrade to a K&N air filter zHi/flow breather, and Rinehart slip-on. I got 114 tq 94Hp. Yep it’s great at the time I didn’t want to put my warranty in question. Now you could go with a Woods cam or a couple others. The numbers will be even better. I ride two up 50% of the time and really has had a difference.😎
Thanks for the info, I really wanna get off the stoc & into stage 1& 2...I too don't wanna question my hd warranty...plus hd dealerships charge a grip 🤑
@@ESGC760 if you get it done at a HD dealer you should be ok. I would ask them, my dealer treats me well of course I hang out drinking free coffee & eating the free popcorn🤣😂😎…. Sorry for the delay but have been under a tornado warning for the last 1.5 hours 😳
I did this cam in my 2019 SG and did it to keep the factory warranty. I rode it that way for the majority of a year. When the 2 year factory warranty expired I was able to have a Powervision tune under my extended warranty! It is a night and day improvement over the screamin eagle tune and runs awesome! So that is something to look forward to!
That tune didn’t void your extended warranty? I’m getting the torque cam but since reading your I’m going to ask about voiding my extended warranty with a different tuner . Although I did read somewhere Harley can’t void warranty’s if using different tuners.
@@Ben-un3gk Nope, the extended ESP that I got through the dealership doesn't care about that. I can even put in an S&S or other cams going forward. They just want the dealer to do the work from what my service manager at my dealership stated.
Yep I was told a similiar thing today by my dealer. He said my esp would pay for the Harley repairs but if it’s an aftermarket part that failed I would have to cover the difference. So if I had an aftermarket wheel and had a claim on it they would pay the money for the Harley stock wheel and I would cover the difference. Same with the engine but it gets a little more messy as to what caused the damage.
I'm new to HD bought my 1st new Harley RG a few years ago. At 9K miles the rocker arm bolts backed out causing engine damage. When I got it repaired, I decided to go with the SE Torque Cam. I am pretty happy with it so far. But I hear a lot of people trash the SE performance parts, they say HD make crap parts. I always thought if HD make crap parts wouldn't that make their bikes crap as well? My thoughts on a few years of HD ownership, they make a high-quality bike, but the reliability is questionable.
😊You’re fine bro! I have a Street Glide Special (2017) with an SE Torque cam and I love mine! I’m also running an SE tuner, but I’m not real happy with it because I’ve been spoiled with a Thundermax tuner on an earlier 2014 FLHXS! So I’ll probably switch out! I know they’re expensive but they’re worth it! Mine has the old oil pump, so I’ll definitely be switching that out! I’m still trying to decide between the SE Custom Kit , or Fueling kit! Ride safe bro!
Biggest issue I have with 21 and up is we can not use the pro tuner hence the can map isn’t the best … at WOT it leans out … maybe in the future HD will correct it … Go fast don’t die DV
I have a 21 Streetglide and just had dealer install pro tuner w/o2 sensors. They just released an updated map for it. I also have the SE 447 cam for same reasons. Warranty
Awesome man I just subscribed. I was thinking of adding this cam to my new road glide. I agree with you choosing that and my last Harley had all screaming eagle stuff and I loved it, had so much fun on it. I hope you do too on yours!
HD did not get the oil pump issues worked out till late 2019, early 2020. The Screamin Eagle cam is an upgrade from stock, hence why they have a Screamin Eagle oil pump and cam plate, they are an upgrade from stock. Understand that you feel cam plate and oil pump are adequate, I hope that you put a upgrade cam bearing in.
You made a very good choice for riding on the road. Power and torque is right where you would want it. As you mentioned, you would achieve optimum performance by changing out the SE tuner. Unfortunately, HD is required to keep its tuner EPA compliant, as well as its cams.
My local dealer tries talking me into the torque cam all the time. They try saying that the m8 engine doesn't like aftermarket parts and if you put s&s or feuling or anything but a Harley / screaming eagle cam in it then you'll have nothing but problems 😂
Beautiful bike man, it looks and sounds awesome with that cam! I'm trying to decide now on a cam for my bike and most people tell me to go with the aftermarket. Looking at your video it seems like your bike does run well with your cam choice!😁👍
Just focus on where you use your power, generally i shift between 4000-4500 RPM so for me a torque cam is best, if you are someone who like to shift up around the 5000+ RPM than you want the power cam (HP Cam) Most riders shift in the 3500 - 4500 Range but everyone rides different wrong cam and you will hate it so its important to know where you shift
The louvered baffles from khrome werks will gain you more performance and better sound, it will also get rid of any tourqe dips you will have. Also for the same money that you will spend on a torque cam you can do after market and gain 10 - tp 15 more hp and 20 to 30 more torque. The reason its dying in 5000 rpm is because of the injectors. Stock injectors run out of juice at higher rpms.
I did stage 2 horsepower cam this time to see the difference n build a better road bike on the highway, at 80 im cruising at 3000 rpm and 3200 at 90mph, but downside is from a stop pulling out feels like im in second gear when im in 1st
That bike still sounds tame to me lol. To see what that cam would do one just needs to research the cam and compare dyno charts. You will see SE cams and tune sux, there is no questions about that. That's not an opinion that's a fact. If you wanted the SE cam just say so but don't try to make it to be what it's not. SE cam is definitely better than stock but still neutered.
Thank you for Great Video MK , and agree with you on choice and warranty issue and would do same with different tuner later,it Sounds great. Do you or anyone else know if a 2017 CVO SG with M8 114 , SE Air cleaner , SE Exhaust have any SE internal parts or is it basically stock motor ? Also any SE factory tune ? Considering purchase and Any help would be greatly appreciated
Nice bike! I'm getting ready to upgrade my cam as well. I'm debating the 447 or 462 cam for my 107. I want a combo of the torque and power as well but I have a passenger Up 90% of the time. And what is the name or model of that front wheel, I love it!
It is not often that I burn a full tank in one day. I fill up after every ride so the bike is ready for the next ride and 4 gallons is my max. Glad you are happy with your cam. Mine is still stage 0. If I ever need to rebuild I will probably go all aftermarket.
I like the color contrast of the bike. Also thinking you should mention whether you are a compensated endorser of the product you are reviewing We all don't need to give Harley performance parts a chance.. to save time and money, many of us get on the Net, and look for reviews and experiences and make judgements based on the knowledge we can gain, and I'm wondering if you were dissatisfied with the Stage 1 due to using Harley Tuner? So many people chime in with dissatisfaction with Screaming Eagle Performance upgrades after they have experienced other brands..and you see alot of used SE cams for sale on Ebay and such.. just saying.. Update, I added the Se-447 (with full cam bearing, S&S oil pump, cam plate, cuff, Wood lifters) and Power Vision PV-2b tuner, just completed on my 2020 Road King. I did the work myself for the experience, and currently the weather sux for a test ride..Im saving my Wood 22XE cam for my Street Glide upgrade.
I would appreciate some ride videos on how to handle such a big bike. I sat on one at the dealership and I was terrified. Any tips would make a good video.
Jerry Paladino’s Ride Like a Pro and Motojitsu are probably the best channels you can view for handling big bikes. Oh! And Robert Simmons Paying It Forward.
if you sit on the bike turn the wheel the opposite way the Bike is leaning, It will feel 200 pounds lighter taking off the kickstand. that's 1 And when your moving it feels like a sportster you can not feel the weight of the bike. that's 2....... only time you will really feel the weight is when your pulling in back. but if you look out where you park you will never feel all that weight; handling Personally I got the road king specail not cause its almost 100 pounds lighter but all that weight is on the front and I can ride a RKS like I rode my Lowrider s. there the same frame as the SGS And the RGS the only deffrence in the ferron so your paying 8 thousand more for the tunes what it comes down to. windshiled works awsome I feel no wind at all. and you can take it off on those hot days in the summer. I guess it comes down to personal preference on what you like. but I really like ripping thew the turns without having the extra weight in the front.you put a se 447 cam in it all the extra weight slows it down for sure.
hello I am going to do a cam in my 2022 road king special I was thinking a 468 redshift but I need to say I want to keep this bike I want it reliable I always shift around 3000 to 4500 or little less 4000 I don't like beating on the bike. I was thinking about the SE 447 question dose that SE Cam cut out at 4100 rpm in any gear say 3 rd or 4th if you could give me some feed back be great thanks. I was thinking se throttle body maybe bigger injectors if I go with the SE 447 thanks.... I have the Harley stage 1 se tuner already was going to switch it up with the 468 and dyno power vision tune.
Harley just released the Auto tuner for the newer bikes. Me having a 2022 117 bike. Really would like to know what cam I can put in it. The CVO has the same motor. What do you recommend?
Meh part of reason for cam is to get the lope back and Harley cams sound stock you have to tell someone it’s got a cam lol listen to the 475 cam whole different beast of a sound
I just bought a 2022 FLHST, and I opted for a stage 2 torque kit from Harley. I wanted to keep my warranty. If you don't want a warranty, why buy a new bike? You can buy a used bike 10 or 20 thousand less. You could put every upgrade on the motor for that much with aftermarket parts. I didn't want a used bike with no warranty. So I don't understand every ahole out there that's like you should get all aftermarket parts and get that extra 5 to 10 more hp and tq and void your warranty or your stupid. Really? I'm stupid because I chose to wait 2 years before I void my warranty. What if Harley made my block with a small crack in it. If my engine blows tomorrow, I get a new one. Oh, and I get it with the aftermarket parts I bought. I'm just saying.
I’m doing the Harley tuner with the torque cam because it won’t void my warranty. Once my warranty expires I’ll go to a different cam and power vision tuner. I’ve had built motors in the past but now I do long distance touring (10-12k mile trips). Reliability has to be my number one priority. The more crazy and big you build a motor the more you risk reliability problems.
Awesome...after watchin your vid,I have am having harley put 447 cam in mine,thanks man....keep up the great vids
2022 RGS here, s&s 2in1, harley torque cam powervision tuner. Bike absolutely rips legend revo arc for suspension. My bike is a whole new monster. I'm happy with the harley torque cam.
Couldn’t agree with you more. The 114 stock feels choked after 4.5K rpm and underpowered to me.I have a 22 RKS did stage 2 after 1000miles also SE Torque cam but my reasoning was to keep the extended warranty. This this is a hot rod! Absolutely love it now.
Which cam did you get. I'm n having the same warranty issue. Plus i love to put miles on. I need something smooth and reliable
Looking for a cam now and appreciate your video. First time to the channel, nice stuff
I don’t know why so many people have a problem with screaming eagle parts… there is nothing wrong with getting an upgrade that is a safe upgrade… when you go pushing your engine as hard as it can go you are shortening it’s lifespan.. increasing the maintenance. Screaming eagle gives you added performance to make your engine nice and lively. All the power you need to have fun. Without having to constantly chase your tail upgrading other parts to handle all the extra power… at that point maybe you should have bought a supersports bike instead of a cruiser but that is just my opinion. Ive owned sports bikes all my life and just got my first harley… i want my harley to last so when i start doing upgrades i’m going to be very happy to go with screaming eagle…
I've got a 2023 Road Glide Special, and the first thing I did was put in a Screaming Eagle Stage 2. I couldn't be happier. The extra pull in any gear is awesome and the sound is definitely an ear grabber. I do like tunnels and over passes.
SE 447 , updated oil pump, lifters, pushrods, upgraded cam bearing, SE 55mm intake, S&S Stealth air cleaner, Rinehart mufflers, external breather on a 107 FXLR.
I support your choice as its the same as mine. One of my bikes is a 2021 Street Glide and i just picked up the SE8 447 Cam, SE tappets (lifters) along with S&S Tappet cuffs (those plastic stock ones are shit), SE adjustable pushrods, SE Cam plate, SE oil pump. Just waiting to get the bike in before spring so i can see how it sounds and feels. I already have the full stage one that i was pretty impressed with, i went with Cobra True dual head pipe with Cobra neighbour hater slip ons, have the SE Ventilator air cleaner and the SE tuner and with the stage one she really came alive, i heard good things about the SE8 447 cam as it puts the power where i like it.
Just finished 14" Meathook handlebars and added the Legend rear shocks and mustang seat with removable passenger seat, the bike should feel awesome in the spring
Did stage 2 with torque cam before I took delivery of my 19 RKS... I know there are better options out there numbers wise... but that bike RIPS and souns like a proper Harley to me... I support your choice for sure! Only problem is I need a stickier rear tire or 1st gear is almost useless 🤣
😂😅😅 well that’s a good thing
Gonna love that CAM did a HD Torque CAM on my 21 Heritage 114.......different bike NOW!
Heck yea man
I had the cam , and stage one done before I picked up the bike. The Harley tuner is limited by the EPA. I used Rinehart pipes as I liked the sound the best. It’s my second bike with the m8 and I learned what I like
My next thing to tackle is the sound system.
You’ve done a great job building your bike. I really like the colors combined with the chrome and black. The Harley cam is a good addition. Nice work !
Thank you sir I appreciate it
Nothing wrong with screamin eagle parts, 99% of people won't use the power anyways it just becomes a bragging rite.
I did the Stage 2 to my 21 Streetglide. Full exhaust, Bassani into Rinehart DBX 4.5s. Rest was all HD parts. Sound was good, ride is, uh, dayum!
I instructed my dealer do Stage 2 and exhaust upgrades day one on my new bike (2023 Street Glide 107). I went with the SE oval Ventilator K&N air cleaner, SE-447 torque cam. SE tuner, Bassani catless head pipe. Rinehart DBX 4.5 exhaust. Then I realized I had never ridden my bike in stock form, not even a test ride prior to the Stage-2 so I can't say how much it helped!
I gave serious thought to after market engine upgrades but I had the thought life is too short to go even a day without added go. I negotiated new Chrome forks in the new bike deal and while the dealer was installing that it was so easy to call him saying go ahead and do the stage 2 and the DBX45's! That Cam / Rinehart sound on my 1st day of new Harley ownership was a great choice even if I upgrade go wild with a build in a few years!
The only other thing I wonder about now during the nest 2 years of being in warranty could I use the SE wide band 02 , Smart Tune Pro system as I plan to ride the coast to the high hills and but I can't get a feel from the dealer or anyone if it will play nice with those free flowing Rineharts and the catless header pipe?
I put the Harley torque cam on my Street Glide ST - I like it fine - I don't have dyno numbers on it or anything, but it sounds great and has plenty of power for me.
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I got a stage 3 122k screaming eagle kit on order for my 2022 road glide st I was having second thoughts was just not so sure.. any thoughts on that set up.. I don't was a high lift cam and kill the motor.. a lot of 2 up
I put an aftermarket cam RS468 in my 2018 Ultra Classic. It definitely performs, but it has some driveability issues under low load conditions below 2k RPM. Fuel Moto says it’s the nature of the cam and don’t run it below 2300 rpm, but I have an entrance to work that is 15 mph for almost a mile. It stumbles the whole way. If I do it again it will be the SE447 cam.
I've got the Road Glide ST with the stage 2 screaming eagle, Khrome werks exhaust, and Krause bar setup.
I couldn't be happier! Once the warranty is done, I might switch to a different cam, but for now this thing rips. All the power you need. Great video!!
Swap tuner out might not need a new cam.
what stage 2 cam you have I thought they only had a power cam for the st
I think the screaming eagle kit is a good upgrade. It's definitely a noticeable difference. Myself personally I would never buy it. Most riders that I have met that purchase the screaming eagle kits, mainly want to keep their warranty. The other issue I have with screaming eagle is the fact you pay all of that money and you still have a governor on your bike. Moonshine HD does a great job of showing their builds and they also warranty their work even if it's not under HD. I just can't see myself spending that much money and still be governed. At the end of the day it's every riders choice how they want to build their bike. To some a screaming eagle kit is enough power. Riders like myself I want full performance for what I paid for. That's the great part about youtube. You can view some credible creators that can show you the differences and also save you some money. Stay safe👍
With my stage 1 my Road Glide is nolonger smooth as it was stock when I purchased it. Now, it's a rougher ride, aggressive with more power. It's louder and now it seems like a different bike. Now I'm in the middle of a Stage 2. Can't wait.
87,000 kms.on my 2018 FLTRU with a (power cam) since 12,000kms. Love it. Do mostly long rides. Harley Screaming Eagle suits me fine.
I have a 2019 FXLR M8 107 with the extended warrantee and the following Dealer installed parts:
Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner
Screamin' Eagle Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module
Screamin’ Eagle Ventilator Air Cleaner Kit
Screamin' Eagle Extreme-Flow 55MM Intake Manifold
Screamin’ Eagle Street Cannon Slip-On Mufflers
Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage II - Torque Kit
Dyno @ 500 miles:
661 Weight
97 HP
104 Torque relatively flat across the RPM range
SE parts are just enough to notice a difference and not be in trouble with the EPA.
👌🏽that’s a good way to put it
I like your reasoning on purchasing. I agree with it. I’m on 2020 107 and I am looking at stage 3. Ty for your video.
Reliability is big bro I know guy with stock Harley from 85 100k miles no issues whatsoever he swears by stock motors I also know people with m8 stock 107 100k miles and they also swear by stock for reliability. That being said it’s up to you and what your happy with.
🫣 wow
I traded in a 2021 Kawasaki vaquero for my Road Glide with no regrets. However, since I've been working on my Road Glide I have witnessed what people are saying about Harley having inferior parts. It's true! The Kawasaki had very superior parts and if you know Japanese Manufacturer, they don't play that. They don't take short cuts. Enough there. So I choose S&S 465 Cam. A Sharkroad 2-1 full Exhaust. And a full high flow airfilter. My personal choice. I haven't finished my Stage 2 yet. Before I did the Stage 2, my bike changed in power and character once I installed the Sharkroad. No more smoothness. Rough, aggressive, powerful. Maybe when I do the tuning that the ride will change.
Star 3030 cam, Fuel Moto head pipe, and Power Vision tuner FTW!!!!
I've been waiting for a review of the torque cam before I put it in my new 117 Low Rider st. Thanks for the review it's very helpful.
Thanks man
Just get a woods
The screamin eagle cams do under perform compared to aftermarket cams. Its your choice what cam you put in your bike but I would highly recommend an aftermarket tuner because they make the bike run to its best ability which helps with the longevity of the motor. The screamin eagle tuner can cause engine problems. If you spend all that money on a good exhaust, cam , lifters, installation and dyno tune then you should have it tuned to its best ability.
He’s been simping for the motor company for awhile now. I can’t blame him, it’s working bc they are responding.
What problems is the SE Tuner causing? Or are you just repeating what you heard?
@@cheby56 Obviously you have zero experience with engine performance upgrades on your Harley. It is a proven fact that powervisison, tts mastertune, direct link, thundermax and other aftermarket tuners have a much wider tuning capability than the SE tuner. Also the SE tuner doesn't have the ability to tune bikes with RDRS
@@BobBob-fp5fn bullshit! I just put a stage 2 and SE tuner in my 2022 RG Limited with RDRS last week.
@@cheby56 Does your traction control work?
Have the torque cam with se street cannons stock headpipe and noticed when I put the decat on I lost a little bottom it dipped. When I put the header back on with the street cannons no low end no dip. I probably could change that with a better tuner but I am good for what it is. It takes right off. 2020 road king
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Same reason why my 131 is all SE. lol With that said, I'm going to buy a extra ecm and run a TTS tuner. When I take it into the shop, I will switch ecms.
So I’ve herd 👀 my buddy pnut have me that idea 💡 lol
once the dealer connects with they're software, they can tell you've had a different tuner on it.
@@topshelf6623 not if it’s a completely different ECM
@@palmettolowlife1996 they will suspect because of the date codes. The mustang - Camaro boys thought they could swap out ECUs long long ago, doesn't work. Pls the mileage will differ another tip off.
@@hitmeandallin makes sense thanks!
yep you nailed it i had a S&S 510 removed and installed SE447 love it , in 19 softail 107 turns out i don't spend all day at 6k rpm
The S&S 510 cam kicks in at 3000 rpm up to 5000 rpm , 509 cam is a better choice, from idle to 4000 rpm.
I have the same bike with power cam and screaming eagle auto tuner all the works of screaming eagle under that cam cover the only exemption is tappets sleeve that are a must are s&s and for being my first Harley-Davidson touring the bike is a hoot to ride.
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MK thanks for your time & effort to give your opinion & knowledge about HD parts. & talk bikesRide safe & have a bless 2023...I'm a new rider
I hit sub button… put same SE PARTS in my 2017 ultra.. loving it ..
Yea hank you for your support 👊🏽
I work off a 114 M8 Road King. I've never felt like it's under powered though. It's just heavy and not a sport bike or the lighter soft tail frame. The suspension is definitely subpar from a professional standpoint. Stage 2 is definitely cool to have. Ricor Intiminators are definitely a cheap way to dramatically improve the front end. That and different springs (RaceTech, FOX, etc). Rear frame stablizer helps too. Harley should do that from the factory imho. Rear suspension is not the worst thing ever but it definitely needs to have adjustable damping. I don't have replacement shocks but I would spend money on something with adjustable preload and damping.
117 is very underpowered honestly. I had a scout that felt way faster.
Thx. I’ve been on the fence for a few months. Really was leaning towards the rs468 but my esp was my concern. I have the street turner also and didn’t want it to go to waste. Been on the phone the last few weeks getting more info because it’s time and you just helped with my final decision. Ride safe!!!
Love the sound!!!!
Love the bike 🏍 I have the same exact one. It's at harley i can't wait to pick it up I got a stage 2 installed chrome forks led lights waiting on my chrome rims so happy for you man
With the open pipes you have that helps increase the power !! And torque with that cam
I think you made a good choice and swayed me back from the aftermarket lol. You go after market then its cam chests-intakes-dyno tuned-2 into 1-clutch and on and on. I like how my bike runs know. Don't want to change that. Just a little more thump and power. I have the poor man's RG with 107 so being smaller motor probably have a little more thump thump to idle. I tend to believe I live in upper RPMs but people still say go with torque cam over the power. Anymore detail as why you chose the torque cam?
Exactly my point man 👍🏽
I love the Stage 2 on my Sport Glide. As you said I could care less about the Dyno numbers, I just wanted some Tq and the SE cams gave me that😎
I have a 2021 sport glide.still stoc. How does stage 2 feel with se?
@@ESGC760 with SE torque cam, upgrade to a K&N air filter zHi/flow breather, and Rinehart slip-on. I got 114 tq 94Hp. Yep it’s great at the time I didn’t want to put my warranty in question. Now you could go with a Woods cam or a couple others. The numbers will be even better. I ride two up 50% of the time and really has had a difference.😎
Thanks for the info, I really wanna get off the stoc & into stage 1& 2...I too don't wanna question my hd warranty...plus hd dealerships charge a grip 🤑
@@ESGC760 if you get it done at a HD dealer you should be ok. I would ask them, my dealer treats me well of course I hang out drinking free coffee & eating the free popcorn🤣😂😎…. Sorry for the delay but have been under a tornado warning for the last 1.5 hours 😳
I did this cam in my 2019 SG and did it to keep the factory warranty. I rode it that way for the majority of a year. When the 2 year factory warranty expired I was
able to have a Powervision tune under my extended warranty! It is a night and day improvement over the screamin eagle tune and runs awesome! So that is something
to look forward to!
That tune didn’t void your extended warranty? I’m getting the torque cam but since reading your I’m going to ask about voiding my extended warranty with a different tuner . Although I did read somewhere Harley can’t void warranty’s if using different tuners.
@@Ben-un3gk Nope, the extended ESP that I got through the dealership doesn't care about that. I can even put in an S&S or other cams going forward. They just want the dealer to do the work from what my service manager at my dealership stated.
Yep I was told a similiar thing today by my dealer. He said my esp would pay for the Harley repairs but if it’s an aftermarket part that failed I would have to cover the difference. So if I had an aftermarket wheel and had a claim on it they would pay the money for the Harley stock wheel and I would cover the difference. Same with the engine but it gets a little more messy as to what caused the damage.
The sound is Joy! This is true 🤙
Yes sir 👊🏽
I'm new to HD bought my 1st new Harley RG a few years ago. At 9K miles the rocker arm bolts backed out causing engine damage. When I got it repaired, I decided to go with the SE Torque Cam. I am pretty happy with it so far. But I hear a lot of people trash the SE performance parts, they say HD make crap parts. I always thought if HD make crap parts wouldn't that make their bikes crap as well? My thoughts on a few years of HD ownership, they make a high-quality bike, but the reliability is questionable.
😊You’re fine bro! I have a Street Glide Special (2017) with an SE Torque cam and I love mine! I’m also running an SE tuner, but I’m not real happy with it because I’ve been spoiled with a Thundermax tuner on an earlier 2014 FLHXS! So I’ll probably switch out! I know they’re expensive but they’re worth it! Mine has the old oil pump, so I’ll definitely be switching that out! I’m still trying to decide between the SE Custom Kit , or Fueling kit! Ride safe bro!
You just need the wide band o2 . Autotune?
Biggest issue I have with 21 and up is we can not use the pro tuner hence the can map isn’t the best … at WOT it leans out … maybe in the future HD will correct it … Go fast don’t die DV
Yea we were trying to play with it on the dyno but it wouldn’t budge for anything. Only path to go with after that is using a different tuner
@@Marvelkid87 yuuup
I have a 21 Streetglide and just had dealer install pro tuner w/o2 sensors. They just released an updated map for it. I also have the SE 447 cam for same reasons. Warranty
@@seansgs7347 how do you like the pro tuner? I saw on their website it is now compatible for 21 and up recently and was considering to purchase
Awesome man I just subscribed. I was thinking of adding this cam to my new road glide. I agree with you choosing that and my last Harley had all screaming eagle stuff and I loved it, had so much fun on it. I hope you do too on yours!
Thanks man 👊🏽
HD did not get the oil pump issues worked out till late 2019, early 2020. The Screamin Eagle cam is an upgrade from stock, hence why they have a Screamin Eagle oil pump and cam plate, they are an upgrade from stock. Understand that you feel cam plate and oil pump are adequate, I hope that you put a upgrade cam bearing in.
Is a vented oil dipstick or breather recommended or necessary for dumping issues as well ?
You made a very good choice for riding on the road. Power and torque is right where you would want it. As you mentioned, you would achieve optimum performance by changing out the SE tuner. Unfortunately, HD is required to keep its tuner EPA compliant, as well as its cams.
Yea man the bike runs great I’m super happy with the outcome 👌🏽
I love it,,, thinking this is exactly what my 21 FLHX needs!
I have a RG 107
447 cam
94hp 113tq
About to do the 124 with CR480 cam or 483 maybe ..
but yes I can’t really complain the 447 cam is great
Hey mk,i told you that you would love that screaming eagal stage 2 with the torque cam.
The only reason to use an SE cam is warranty. Otherwise, nearly all other tier one brands perform better across the board.
My local dealer tries talking me into the torque cam all the time. They try saying that the m8 engine doesn't like aftermarket parts and if you put s&s or feuling or anything but a Harley / screaming eagle cam in it then you'll have nothing but problems 😂
I started saying "YAAEERRRRP!!!! WAT APP" lol. it is catchy
😅😂😂😂 yerrrrr!
Beautiful bike man, it looks and sounds awesome with that cam! I'm trying to decide now on a cam for my bike and most people tell me to go with the aftermarket. Looking at your video it seems like your bike does run well with your cam choice!😁👍
Just focus on where you use your power, generally i shift between 4000-4500 RPM so for me a torque cam is best, if you are someone who like to shift up around the 5000+ RPM than you want the power cam (HP Cam)
Most riders shift in the 3500 - 4500 Range but everyone rides different
wrong cam and you will hate it so its important to know where you shift
The louvered baffles from khrome werks will gain you more performance and better sound, it will also get rid of any tourqe dips you will have. Also for the same money that you will spend on a torque cam you can do after market and gain 10 - tp 15 more hp and 20 to 30 more torque. The reason its dying in 5000 rpm is because of the injectors. Stock injectors run out of juice at higher rpms.
Thanks for the tips man 👊🏽
I did stage 2 horsepower cam this time to see the difference n build a better road bike on the highway, at 80 im cruising at 3000 rpm and 3200 at 90mph, but downside is from a stop pulling out feels like im in second gear when im in 1st
Great video!! Enjoy & ride safe bro!! 👊🏼😎
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That bike still sounds tame to me lol. To see what that cam would do one just needs to research the cam and compare dyno charts. You will see SE cams and tune sux, there is no questions about that. That's not an opinion that's a fact. If you wanted the SE cam just say so but don't try to make it to be what it's not. SE cam is definitely better than stock but still neutered.
Great video, I was curious how a Harley torque cam would produce.
Thank you sir
nice turbo jets on top of the rear fender
Thank you for Great Video MK , and agree with you on choice and warranty issue and would do same with different tuner later,it Sounds great.
Do you or anyone else know if a 2017 CVO SG with M8 114 , SE Air cleaner , SE Exhaust have any SE internal parts or is it basically stock motor ? Also any SE factory tune ? Considering purchase and Any help would be greatly appreciated
Do you remember which baffle/insert you were running ? ( I know you have a new bike now )
Great video, awesome job bro.
Thanks bro 😎👌🏽 how have things been on your end with the job ?
Things have been great with job. Long hours but I love the schedule, plus I ride in every day.
Nice bike! I'm getting ready to upgrade my cam as well. I'm debating the 447 or 462 cam for my 107. I want a combo of the torque and power as well but I have a passenger Up 90% of the time. And what is the name or model of that front wheel, I love it!
It is not often that I burn a full tank in one day. I fill up after every ride so the bike is ready for the next ride and 4 gallons is my max.
Glad you are happy with your cam. Mine is still stage 0. If I ever need to rebuild I will probably go all aftermarket.
I'm about to pull the trigger on se447.i have a 2013 road glide special, I can't wait how much did your mileage change?
I like the color contrast of the bike. Also thinking you should mention whether you are a compensated endorser of the product you are reviewing We all don't need to give Harley performance parts a chance.. to save time and money, many of us get on the Net, and look for reviews and experiences and make judgements based on the knowledge we can gain, and I'm wondering if you were dissatisfied with the Stage 1 due to using Harley Tuner? So many people chime in with dissatisfaction with Screaming Eagle Performance upgrades after they have experienced other brands..and you see alot of used SE cams for sale on Ebay and such.. just saying.. Update, I added the Se-447 (with full cam bearing, S&S oil pump, cam plate, cuff, Wood lifters) and Power Vision PV-2b tuner, just completed on my 2020 Road King. I did the work myself for the experience, and currently the weather sux for a test ride..Im saving my Wood 22XE cam for my Street Glide upgrade.
I would appreciate some ride videos on how to handle such a big bike. I sat on one at the dealership and I was terrified. Any tips would make a good video.
Jerry Paladino’s Ride Like a Pro and Motojitsu are probably the best channels you can view for handling big bikes. Oh! And Robert Simmons Paying It Forward.
if you sit on the bike turn the wheel the opposite way the Bike is leaning, It will feel 200 pounds lighter taking off the kickstand. that's 1 And when your moving it feels like a sportster you can not feel the weight of the bike. that's 2....... only time you will really feel the weight is when your pulling in back. but if you look out where you park you will never feel all that weight; handling Personally I got the road king specail not cause its almost 100 pounds lighter but all that weight is on the front and I can ride a RKS like I rode my Lowrider s. there the same frame as the SGS And the RGS the only deffrence in the ferron so your paying 8 thousand more for the tunes what it comes down to. windshiled works awsome I feel no wind at all. and you can take it off on those hot days in the summer. I guess it comes down to personal preference on what you like. but I really like ripping thew the turns without having the extra weight in the front.you put a se 447 cam in it all the extra weight slows it down for sure.
hello I am going to do a cam in my 2022 road king special I was thinking a 468 redshift but I need to say I want to keep this bike I want it reliable I always shift around 3000 to 4500 or little less 4000 I don't like beating on the bike. I was thinking about the SE 447 question dose that SE Cam cut out at 4100 rpm in any gear say 3 rd or 4th if you could give me some feed back be great thanks. I was thinking se throttle body maybe bigger injectors if I go with the SE 447 thanks.... I have the Harley stage 1 se tuner already was going to switch it up with the 468 and dyno power vision tune.
Is the cam the only thing you changed out? Did you do the lifters or cam bearing?
Just a torque cam and I also switched out to the s&s tappet cuffs. The ones Harley has in aren’t the sturdiest.
Were you running stock headers on this video???
Great video ! I learned alot !! Thanks !!!
So did you change the cam plate and oil pump and lifter guide and lifter rods?
Harley just released the Auto tuner for the newer bikes. Me having a 2022 117 bike. Really would like to know what cam I can put in it. The CVO has the same motor. What do you recommend?
Meh part of reason for cam is to get the lope back and Harley cams sound stock you have to tell someone it’s got a cam lol listen to the 475 cam whole different beast of a sound
I’ll admit the 475 has an amazing lope sound. But this bike doesn’t sound stock…
sounds sweet
Thanks man
How many miles was on it before you had the cam installed?
what are your thoughts on the 131 swap from the 114?
131 is dope
@@Marvelkid87 oh i be knowing lol
Bike Is Looking Very Sweet....Sounds Great...
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Gorgeous bike
why did you take the 447 cam out..
I think it all comes to just voiding ur warranty if u have 3to5year if u don’t have a warranty go aftermarket that’s my opinion
Sounds good! 🔥⚡️
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Are these stock headers with slip ons ?
Who manufactures Screamin Eagle cams?
Zipper 468 or 472 all days on a m8
I just bought a 2022 FLHST, and I opted for a stage 2 torque kit from Harley. I wanted to keep my warranty. If you don't want a warranty, why buy a new bike? You can buy a used bike 10 or 20 thousand less. You could put every upgrade on the motor for that much with aftermarket parts. I didn't want a used bike with no warranty. So I don't understand every ahole out there that's like you should get all aftermarket parts and get that extra 5 to 10 more hp and tq and void your warranty or your stupid. Really? I'm stupid because I chose to wait 2 years before I void my warranty. What if Harley made my block with a small crack in it. If my engine blows tomorrow, I get a new one. Oh, and I get it with the aftermarket parts I bought. I'm just saying.
Dude, those wheels just sound angry, you coming up behind me, I'm getting outta your way. Love the tune from those pipes, what are you running?
😂😂😂😂😂 these are khrome werks 👍🏽 great pipes 4 1/5
@@Marvelkid87 thanks man, sweet tunes on them, got em on my hit list.
What fuel tuner did u use ???
What baffles are you rocking
Nice dirt bike bars
Is your warranty still
Intact?
A: warranty
are you doing a stage 3 ?
Great drivability low down SEcams,aftermarket not so much ,aggressive lope cam cadence going to kill the driveline/comp over time!
this is why I went with se 447 I cant afford to have my motor last 25 to 30,000 miles
S&S 475 for this Homie He'll yeah
You need Tab 50 cal’s bruh