'If Drs Don't Take Risks, They Can't Save Lives'; Ex-Prez IMA On New Criminal Bills | Daily Mirror
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- In this edition of Daily Mirror, anchor Sneha Koshy discusses the growing discontent among medical professionals against the newly proposed BNS (Bhartiya Nyaya Sanhita) Bill, which they argue unfairly criminalizes medical practice. They claim the law puts undue pressure on healthcare providers, increasing their risk of legal action and hindering their ability to offer effective care.
A panel of experts has joined Sneha Koshy to discuss this in detail. Ex-President IMA Rajeev Jayadevan explains what are the objectional points of BNS. He says “If doctors don't take risks, they can't save lives, and it is true..” Watch the full video to know more and follow Mirror Now for the latest updates.
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No accountability for politicians / elected representatives/ judges / lawyers / PWD engineers or contractors ./ Pharma companies....Wow !! Time to pack your bags & leave
Ofcourse it is the TIME to leave
Ha Ha..
Doctors have always been a soft target & have been used as a punching bag bu both govt & pubic just to vent out their anger or simply just for an act of show.
Its high time doctors MUST PROTEST this nationwide. Otherwise such a law is bound to be misused & every dr will be forced to live in perpetual anxiety.
Just imagine a scenario where
An accident victim because of rash driving is brought in a serious condition.
He will obviously die
How can the DOCTOR be responsible.
The person who gave licence
The absence of street lights
The potholes inthe road
The government is responsible for his death and not the doctor alone
U mean to say doctor is responsible at least in part?
How can we blame the poor doctor
@@senthilradha9104 The doctor should then get insist for indemnity bond from the patient and his relatives on a stamp paper of 200 Rs duly notorised before a notary public. He should apply to a court of law to exempt him from any criminal.liability if the patient dies during or prior to commencement of treatment
@@sadanandgote5544you cannot save everyone
@@sadanandgote5544In the process of documenting, if a patient dies, will the doctor be held accountable for being busy with paperwork?
And what about voilence against doctors?
What about corrupt politicians and bureaucrats, why no tough laws against them?
Seeing difficult days ahead for doctors
You guys are confusing the issue. Don’t overlap things and make it into a kichidi. The talk about medical malpractice is different from knee jerk reactions or others rushing docs to get answers, or hurting doctors. The issues are linked but they are totally seperated legally. So STOP confusing the issue.
@@pruthvimeka3259 i believe u don't belong from the medical fraternity hence it seems a knee jerk reaction to you..
Go and compare how much malpractice is happening and how much violence against doctors happen.. Less than 1% of doctors might be doing malpractice but take off sometime and go to a government hospital in rural setup.. Spend a day there with the doctors..
U will see that violence is not only present at a physical level but also at a mental level from within and outside the system..
This was a more burning issue and i was disappointed hence have all right to express my view..
@@pruthvimeka3259are U a Doctor? If not then don't speak please.
@@kalpnarani355 am a doctor. still have my steth. so I know the issue.
@@pruthvimeka3259 ok
What about politicians, no accountability or transparency.All old farts in parliament no youth in parliament!
No issues. Most Doctors will not take risks, especially in smaller hospitals. Corporate hospitals will have field day in bills.
You mean days in jail?
Only when the law makers have a doctor in their family they will understand. explaining to non medicos is useless.thry will nevr knw until they enter the field
Absolutely Right
What about lawyers who help a criminal get away with even a murder ? Are they not criminals?
Lawyers actually have two sides one is defense and other one is prosecution. The duty of prosecution is to make sure that whoever does the crime is actually punished by law. The duty of defense is to ensure that the person whoever you are defending is protected. Also if the criminal is not being punished means the lawyer has very good argumentative skill. Also in law there is something called appeal even if you fail in lower courts you can file in higher court and go to supreme court as well. This is not possible in case of doctors. Will you be able to retrieve a lost life? So please educate yourself before commenting
@@aishwaryasankaran2354 That means it is better to be lawyer and a doctor.. Let the patient fend for himself
@@aishwaryasankaran2354
Feeling shame for those LAWERS, who protected accused criminals of NIRBHAYA CASE in INDIA.. 😢
@@sadanandgote5544 No it means just like how doctor has duty to save lives in the same way lawyer has every right to protect clients . This is the principles of justice and many lawyers are unfortunately bound by this. To escape liability there is only one way is to document everything we do.
@@aishwaryasankaran2354 Who is responsible if precious time is lost while the doctor insists for documentation before start of treatment? What if patient dies in the mean time?..Make no mistake, lawyer, judges have infinite time. They are least bothered about time. And you hold doctor responsible for every death? Doctors are also humans. They can also commit mistakes, errors of judgement. And they have to take quick decisions. Judges, lawyers differ decision making.
We have the most overworked, underpaid health workers. Who already have the highest suicide rate and unnecessary bonds to pay , this all to keep our country with least %GDP invested in Heath care and even almost no one health Innsurance . Now govt has started to compensate that less GDP with our money (as if thr govt officials where not extorting bribes from hospitals already) now they have criminalised us too .
Now more referrals to other departments will happen. In the end patients will pay more.
Not only money, he will lose precious time and in the process may die because of such non-sense
@@sadanandgote5544thanks to maulana Modi whom you'll vote
Yes , if govt doesn't care for us , then why should we take risks for patients.
And doing every investigation written in the book😂
This makes more safety to take by doctors not to take risk for patient…. Will definitely reffered the patient to higher center….severe patient may die during transport or by paying bills….
Yes a doctor cannot save lives until he takes risk as required. The new BNS might be misused. Also Doctors come under CPA.
The medical profession cannot be branded as a ‘business’ or ‘trade,’ just as the patient cannot be reduced to a ‘client’ or ‘consumer.’
@@AdityaVerma-sd7ns yes doctors, architects, Engineers,etc come under CPA, but not lawyers ..Court made law
If medical profession is not a business then why is money even spent on ad for every hospital especially fertility centres
@@aishwaryasankaran2354 Advertisement is necessary so that people come to know what service is being provided.
@@sadanandgote5544 You could have also done by word of mouth right? Why do you need advertisement? Seeing your advertisement only people come and pay bills. Do people negotiate for the bills except when you are running very small hospital..
In case of lawyers we are not allowed to advertise we get clients only by word of mouth. If you do not have good network you cannot practice. Many people negotiate with lawyers for the fees even corporate companies. This is the reality of legal profession.
Society will never do this with doctor in fact they are viewed as Gods and there is nothing wrong in consider doctors as God's. Because doctors have worked hard during pandemic.
But on the other hand lawyers are viewed as money grabbers and equal to criminals.
@@sadanandgote5544 Why should people even know? Word of mouth is enough right? You are doing it because you need money and gain profits. The same cost will be recovered from patients it's not like you are going to give free of charge.
Just imagine politicians were also accountable to such laws!!! 😂
Shame..This will discourage good doctors to take up surgical and emergency fields..ppl with lower ranks will take up risky fields of medicine and surgery,most doctors would refuse to treat risky patients..health system will further worsen..
Patients are going to suffer🙁
No both side will suffer. Doctor will stop trying to improve and will only refer refer refer every difficult case and patient will lose services
Wat about corrupt politicians
Long gone are times when a hospital was run by doctors.
if anyone has ever enterd a hospital nowadays, they'd know the reality of who actually runs the place, and in reality doc's have the minimum say in stuff happening there.
firstly, if they are talking about bringing "strict regulations" for patient safety (which is absolute bull btw, they dont unerstand the consequences of this change of law) it should be talked about someone who has been in the field or atleast knows about it
[on another note why is there no stricer regulations for doctor safety against patient violence, are'nt we humans of this country too? that deseve safe work place? ]
and secondly why are doctors only talking the fall for others mistakes too.
again hospital and patient management is a team work run by the perfect synchrony of multiple staffs like doctors, nurses, technicians, physician assistants, helpers, hospital administration etc.
in my opnion of having 6 years of experience in this field of "nobel profession", everyone should be held responsible for their shortcomings in their respective jobs. anyone in the team, not just doctors.
its human nature to feel like " anyway its going to be someone elses headache in the court, so why bother".... stricter laws focusing on allll and everyone in the field is more fair.
i'm sure most of you are aware of the recent trial that went against a nurse in the US about giving wrong drug to the patient, resulting in the unfortunate demise... the respective staff was held for trial in court and got their punishment, not the doctor.
www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098867553/nurse-sentenced-probation
"When you criminalize what health care workers do, it changes the whole ballgame."
cant even imagine that situation in india, if that had happened im pretty sure EVERYTHING is the doc's fault.
time to really think about all this in a different and more realistic view by qualified people.
And wat abt those ,who beaten the doctor for no reason 😢
As a doctor. I don't take any risks 🤣. Laws like this is the reason why we take 1 look at a patient and tell them to go to medical colleges. Why should I take un necessary responsibility , hire a lawyer and take leave to go to court, when I can just refer the patient to a medical College . Defensive medicine is the only safe way to practice in India.
I belive Indian people as well as professionals tend to be righteous by assertion rather than actually being so by self honesty.
What about ayush doctors
They can do special courses and can compete with surgeons 😂
These laws are made in such a way that it appear Great in front of public, but indirectly acting against the will of Commons. When these kind of laws comes into practice the Doctors in small hospitals won't take any risk and will refer the patients in critical conditions to either govt medical colleges or big corporate multi speciality hospitals. Everyone knows the conditions in government hospitals, so the public will be FORCED to go to Big Corporate Hospital business centres like apollo,aster,narayana,sagar,birla,reliance ..... So are these laws really in favor of public interest ?? Think 😊
As a doctor I will deny to treat high risk patients.
All this has see change now. By freedom it is hardly possible to be righteous rather, fear should be the ruling factor to make people act as well as think in righteous manner
Every law against dr, every thing against dr. …well who is doing wrong will be punsished for sure but why is it sooo simple to punish a dr and on the same hand it’s so difficult to raise a voice against the people who are being violent with Dr¿
Doctors have always been a soft target & have been used as a punching bag bu both govt & pubic just to vent out their anger or simply just for an act of show.
Its high time doctors MUST PROTEST this nationwide. Otherwise such a law is bound to be misused & every dr will be forced to live in perpetual anxiety.
Better for doctors to practice defensive medicine in india and treat only low risk patients let nature takes its course for high risk patients
Don't take risk cases
Doctors should learn something atleast now... limit number of patients intake to optimize care... less patients... more time to spend with each patients... since doctors who face highest occupational hazards, no need to work overtime or extra hours... Once the bell ring, pack your bag and go home... have a good sleep... work stress exhaustion can make to you take wrong decisions... doctors can charge for breaking bad news to patients and grief participation.... and charge highest compensation and insurance claim from patients... since patients have right to choose... and doctors have right to make patients not to choose you...😂
Taking in less patients , means we'll have to charge 4 to 5 times more per patient to run a clinic. Clinics need to pay Rent, Electricity bills , Salary of nurses, pharmacist, lab technician, cleaning staff and Security. You think that is possible if we take few patients??? The government is not providing us with free land and free building, we have to pay taxes and bills. Then why would we limit our patient intake??
@@alegontaxon749 Yes doctors should start studying law and themselves become lawyers
Doctors must not take decisions out of protocol... if there is no option in the protocol, that is it for patients... 😂
Looks BJP wants to save & secure the chair by giving justice to the innocents..
@@sudharsans6236 I think u feel You living in God's world? 90% surgeries are unnecessary even the bills are Hyper inflated..!!!! You feel u living in heaven or what? 😂😅🤭🤣
Which unnecessary surgery done on you. Just watching video and having knowledge of whatsApp university will not make you more educated. Having zero knowledge about medical field and study and just people are barking here and there.more than 90% doctors are still doing thier work honestly. Where were you people when violence happens against doctors. Then what you want free treatment at 2 rs? . Our parents pay for hepty of costly books and all the expenses.do we dont have the right to earn satisfyingly after studying for 15 years.? @@eternalsoul3439
@@eternalsoul3439if you feel bills are hyperinflated go to government hospital and dont cry.corporate hospital ke bill bharne ke paise nhi hai to mat jaya karo as simple as that. Free me hospital nhi banta. Who will pay for staffs salary. All are qualified medical professional. Not daily wage worker like you that they will agree on 200 rs per day.
@@naksh28 Why you crying 😭 so much if you can't tolerate the new bills which are necessary for Kaliyug you can fly to Pluto which is very nearby...!! 😁
@@eternalsoul3439 Of course...and then u will bring your dying patient there to put a blame on someone else
Lol...i dont take risk at all . I refer all the patients who are at risk. Why to get beaten by relatives and why to get jailed when u can always refer .
Thats why so much referrals are happening now a days.
Medicine is a fucking job in rss india
Jokers at top
In Kerala, medical negligence is happening now a days but none of those doctors were punished. A doctor forgot to take the scissors from the stomach of a lady, she lives with that scissors for more than a year, at last it has been found after MRI scan. Another doctor had done surgery in mouth instead of hand, and he also didn't received any punishment, also he tried to escape by saying that the kid has also an issue in mouth, where is their ethics? Medical college Vandanam Medical College in Kerala is known for medical negligence among pregnant ladies. So many pregnant ladies lost their babies because of this medical College. Once a patient has been found slept with maggots and the government suspended the superintendent of that medical College, that time all the doctors leave their jobs and gone for strike then on the next day, suspension has been cancelled. This is the situation, government has given so many previllages to doctors, but they're misusing this previllages.
And What privileges we are talking about? Is it 24×7 hrs working ,High salaries, Leaves ?
In Kerala, the state government has made some ammendments to give previlages to doctors. As per that ammendment, a doctor can file a complaint even if the patient questioned them against the service. So many doctors were misused this previlage. A lady doctor of one of the medical college from Kerala filed a complaint against the bystanders, she said that she's been beaten by them. But in the next day, she withdraw that complaint because the police checked the cctv visuals and found it was a fake case. Some arguments occured between the doctor and the bystander, it's regarding the poor service provided by the doctors. This was one case, like this so many incidents were happened. Doctors statement were enough inorder to remand a patient. One of the MLA, KB Ganesh Kumar (Now he's the minister of transportation in Kerala) from the ruling party also mentioned about the misuse of these previlages by the doctors
The fact that you are telling scissors in abdomen were found during MRI proves it’s a cooked up story MRI magnets are so powerful the scissors would have ruptured all internal organs in the abdomen and it will be pulled out by magnets in MRI the patient could have been dead of the story were real and no patient would have survived for 1 year with no symptoms with a foreign body in their abdomen and if scissors were found why would any surgeon will not remove and levave it in situ so you are saying literally every doctor in kerela was negligent and did not remove that scissors
RIP physics RIP medicine and RIP your fake stories
Stop spreading misinformation if patient had scissors in abdomen and taken to MRI the magnets in MRI will pull the scissors out and damage all the abdominal organs and will also damage the MRI machine the fact that scissors found in abdomen in your story by MRI says it’s a fake story and don’t dare to delete this comment too like you did to my previous comment people like you should be severely punished by law for spreading such misinformation
Just don’t spread hatred bcoz of your personal agenda might be you are one of those students who was not able to crack NEET and you hate doctor community or one of those blind believers who trust every story shared on WhatsApp and UA-cam without verifying it
You will only understand if you had medical emergency and no doctor willing to treat you bcoz of fear they might get arrested if you succumb to illness
@@hit2129dont speak rubbish i am a doctor from kerala we know what we are going through and patients character and not even ready to give money as we have to do free service and coming to hit us and harass us. Dont speak nonsense