Akebono Big Brake Upgrade: The hidden side that nobody talks about| Infiniti/ Nissan
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2021
- We go into a little detail regarding this rather common modification - BBK.Is it any good? Are there any downsides to upgrading to the sport brake system?
In this video we delve into all the uncomfortable truths that rarely get talked about.
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Nicely detailed and layed out. One thing missing is our cars are used for drifting. Stock vs Sport upgrade
100% worth it. Looks and functions are perfect. With most other cars a bbk is twice the price. Now with that said, yea the hidden cost is new tires and wheels/spacers. But at the end of the day I don't regret getting the akebono's at all.
The crazy thing about these is that most of the BBK systems cost about the same as base model systems if you were replacing stuff and buying brand new from the dealer. Just add a little labor to convert.
I was able to do this whole upgrade for about $3800!
@@EdBwoy I've been noticing this as well, I found that you can purchase remanufactured calipers for a fraction of the price. Also, from what I've heard for 370Zs, if you have the OEM 18" wheels, the Australian 370Z was available with the Akebonos with the 18" wheel, and the 19" was an additional option. I've been considering it.
Coupled with balanced review this was clear and concise. Well done.
Excellent arguments! Keep up the good work brother! 💪
First loved the video breakdown always up front. The video comparison with FX 50 and you opened driver door and there may have been some leaves or mud on the floor board. You said this is my work vehicle “mind your business “ 😂 Your accent and everything had me weak. Keep doing what you’re doing Brother. I recently purchased thanks to your videos the last year made 2017 QX 70 Limited Edition. Bought it online up north in Midlothian Illinois sight unseen “no judgement “ 😂 had it shipped to Va Beach, arrived missing back wiper, called dealer salesperson and he sent me one👍IBA light would come on so no cruise control no FCW bought 4 year warranty you would think they would cover a braking safety feature that was engaging and disengaging over a broken speed sensor that was installed improperly within centric hub. At least that’s what Infiniti dealership told me. Not a cheap fix but cheaper than front laser sensor. Anyway bringing old girl back to life love the safety features now that they work. I drive about 300 miles each week so considering the big rotor big caliber upgrade. Have you done a video or know of a blind spot warning mirror detection replacements where turn signal detection is in the mirror and on backside of mirror? Will the QX 50 mirror work? Also no remote start, any suggestions?
There is a lot of info on internet that diameter of brake disk only influence overheating not the brake performance. And they have a lot of scientific proofs.
My Infiniti came with bbk but I just bought some z1 2 piece rotors and it shaved 30 pounds all around on rotors and the look of them is a plus
Wow, great video, very well presented and thought out. I've looked at some other videos about bigger brakes and figured for my own car it would be a waste of time as the stock brakes are fine. It's an Infinity G37X, but it's also going on 11 years old, so new braided brake lines would be worth doing if I replace the old lines anyway. Usually hen it needs brakes I do look at aftermarket rotors and pads to see if there's better available as it's worth some improvement. A good time to flush the brake system is when you're doing a brake job anyway but people rarely think of that. And interesting observation on the rear calipers sticking on Nissans, I'll get a look at mine sometime, and maybe lube the sliders just to make sure they're ok.
Awesome review, thanks!
I did this upgrade on my 07 M35x. I didn't need it since I ever had an issue with my calipers or pads. I did the install myself so I'm not sure of how much the total cost would've been. I do love the look of the bigger calipers. Since I was replacing the calipers I also upgraded to steel braided brake lines as well. I did notice a better brake response right off the bat. Technically didn't need to do this but I love the look and feel of the bigger calipers.
Where did u get the parts
@@nicholasross7542 watch this video. I asked the same questions and found the parts for my car. In the comments you'll find the car parts from rockauto.com
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Awesome, if you like it we love it! As I wanted to emphasize, as long as the mod fulfils your personal intentions, it's all good.
Regarding the base rear calipers seizing up... I've had a few leased Altimas, so they were relatively low mileage, probably not enough to kill the calipers. But one thing that did stand out to me was I consistently wore out the rear pads a) before the fronts b) seemingly prematurely for the given mileage. This was with a fairly aggressive driving style, which led me to suspect the rears are somewhat inadequate in terms of heat dissipation, perhaps resulting in more pad consumption. Perhaps overheating could explain the rear calipers seizing prematurely too. As a side note, I have an FX with what I assume are the same or similar calipers, and although the brakes are pretty capable of stopping the car, the mechanical foot-on-pedal force required is pretty high. Akebono seems like a good all around solution.
Regarding the Altimas, that is a very interesting observation. Back in the day, some people went with this rule of thumb in brake pad replacement - 3 front pads before you need the rears. The front brakes had approx 3x the power of the rear.
That assumption worked well enough for the most part. Most modern vehicles with anti-lock brakes use the ABS controller for another function called EBD (Electronic Brake force Distribution). What EBD does is to equalize the braking force between the front and the rear, and basically what that means is that if your car is more heavily loaded it might require more help braking, and especially so in the rear...so the system adds more braking force to the rear.
In principal, that is the kind of stuff that can wear your rear brakes down faster than the prescribed 3 to 1 ratio. Add to that the fact that the rear pads are smaller, and you can see how you can go through many of them.
Modern braking systems are interesting to study. Depending on your typical route driven, and your driving style, you could end up wearing down the pads on a single corner faster than the others.
That is because of a mechanism that Infiniti uses to help you enter a turn and not have understeer. That is a setting you can turn off. That's why our rear pads wear out fasters
Awesome video, I'm thinking of just doing the powerstop sport upgrade, just the rotors and pads for my Q50.
Question, are all brake pads the same size? Like are they all interchangeable? Akebono rotors with base calipers? Or Akebono brake pads with base rotors and calipers?
I’m glad I saw this before upgrading the brakes on my g35. I think I’ll stick with stock and just upgrade the rotors to drilled or slotted or both.
When it comes to brakes, good pads are king! Try that even before changing the rotors to see what it feels like.
Thanks nice videos
I would be interested in the stopping distance from 100 km/h before and after the upgrade. I drive an QX70 3.7 and can definitely feel the fading after a couple of aggressive overtakes on a land road (Landstraße) when you need to brake from 120-140 or more down to 60 km/h.
Unfortunately I am not in a position to run such a test at this time.
However, if your main concern is safe and consistent braking performance at high speeds on a highway, then this could be a beneficial upgrade for you.
Great info!!!
Thank you!
Very informative, I was waiting for this follow up video. Your editing has improved from the, "let me try to do this while holding the phone" days lol! This wasn't an upgrade I was rushing too, my brakes keep getting replaced for free...I may just hold off. I wouldn't want to make the car slower for cosmetic reasons.
😂😂😂 man, I almost fell out of my seat laughing at that one.
It's true though. I am nowhere near a pro, but I can see the progress in the quality of my videos.
Thank you for sticking around all the way from the shaky camera phone days. I appreciate the support.
Now, do you mind sharing how you get free brake replacement? I know some deals that offer free parts, but hit you over the head when it comes to labor.
I suppose you have a newish car with a generous service contract from a dealership?
2018 Q60 Red Sport. Upgraded to carbon ceramic 405mm all around, carbon ceramic pads, Italian carbon fiber braided brake lines. For my case I'd say 100%. I'm not encountering less mpg. Actually increased mpg. Handling is better because there's less weight on the suspension. But this is the most extreme case. Definitely worth upgrading your brakes.
Son your car must stop faster then your can even process
Wow, that sounds impressive. What brake system did you use (sounds aftermarket)?
What exactly is carbon ceramic? Proper carbon fiber ones would cost you half of the Q60s worth... You mean "carbon" coated ceramic rotors and pads? That's basically a PR stunt... In any case, unless you improved the tires too, all that new hardware is basically useless. Stock brakes surpass the tires friction capacity anyways. There's no real provable increase in performance. At least in stopping power. Only advantage is heat tolerance.
@a n Nah, it's real carbon ceramic rotors. No black coating. Custom rotors 405mm all around, custom calipers, custom carbon fiber brake lines, custom carbon ceramic brake pads from 'Endless'. Setup is 15k+. You think I'd spend all that money on brakes and not have the best wheels and tires? Toyo R888Rs 385 X 30 20 - 405 × 35 20 on custom 3 piece AG Luxury Wheels with a carbon lip and custom painted face with custom titanium black hardware. 40k for the brakes, wheels, and tires. Of course, the brakes work. It's like throwing a ship anchor out your window when you brake. It's 3/4th of the MSRP value, but it's the cost of being 1 of 1. Be happy to shoot you some pics if you'd like evidence.
When installing the new calipers, would I need the shorter banjo bolts for the rear?
I replaced my stock rotors and pads and they became warped again within 5K miles. Im upgrading
I've had really good luck with both standard and BBK braking systems.
If you can, please come back and update us after you switch and put some miles on the replacements.
In my 2014 QX60, my brakes don’t last a year. I’ve tried so many types of rotors and pads especially with 140k miles on the car.
@@chrisshore9000have you tried r1concepts? Ive had stock nissan rotors on my G37 coupe with the nissan brake pads and they would always warp after 10k miles after I switched to R1 they’ve been pretty good no warping at all
Wow thanks for this video! I can say that from watching this, I have decided to keep my regular calipers and will just get Akebono pads with good rotors.
There you go! I made this video to educate, and provide the info with no bias. Some people will watch the video and immediately go get a BBK upgrade. Others will realize it's not worth it for them.
I know a lot of people that have been underwhelmed after doing the upgrade, so I figured it would be best to lay the info out there for the individual to decide for themselves.
Oh, and yes! Installing better brake pads is a very effective way to improve the performance.
I have a video discussing them...well, the script is still in draft, but the intention is there.
Take a look at the EBC red stuff. Really nice sticky pads.
Dude I’ve got a question and it would mean a lot for you to answer a couple questions I’ve got. I have a 2006 m35s, I wanna do the big brake upgrade. I’ve got the 19inch Infiniti rims too. I’ve got the calipers and I’ve got the rotors and I just wanted to know is there anything I need to instal that onto my car. I was going to get the g37 brake lines too but I wanted to know is there anything else required too this upgrade. Idc about the cost just wanna know the parts required too instal them onto my m35.
I’m still doing research but I plan to buy 2008-2015 G37 Akebonos for my 04 G Coupe, I know I will have to cut the shield, do
I just go to my local auto parts store and ask for G37 08 rotors? I’m unsure of the size, also
I assume I will have to ask for G37 08 pads and I’m good right? I’ll get braided lines too.
Also looking into a brake master cylinder brace. Maybe a G37/37 one will work.
Not something we've heard many M owners doing, but if you do it, give us a review.
Brakes are always based on an compromise, How much brakes do you actually need, vs. bigger brakes will make the cars other perfomance properties worse. Rotor mass are more about braking capacity than brake force. That's also the reason you see huge brakes on track cars and tiny brakes on drag cars. Serious drag cars are doing hard stops from 200+MPH with rotors smaller than used on motorcycles. They can do it because the brakes got long cooling time between each use, so it doesn't matter such an stop make the super tiny rotor glowing red. Hardcore race pads will still brake hard with glowing hot rotors.
My car has advic 320 front and nisin 310 rear. The other day I was driving pretty fast cause the road was clear and a truck decided to jump infront of me. That's when I felt that my brakes were not good enough so I'm looking at this brake set cause a friend of mine has these for sale. Looks like I might be grabbing them. I'm not a racer but having better brakes at times of emergencies would definitely help 😊
Did you end up upgrading? Do you feel a dramatic difference in day-to-day driving?
Improve tires... All brakes nowadays have enough power to entirely block the wheels. The only reason they dont is because of the ABS. What you need to stop faster is more friction with the road and you gain that with better tires.
I think a lot of these people are not breaking in their new brake pads good enough. Look up brake pad bedding procedure . U need to do multiple hard stops from various speeds to glaze the new rotor with the brake pad material . DO NOT COME TO A STOP WHEN DOING THIS. If you stop even once to early you’ll create a hot spot on your rotor, throwing the balance off and it’ll warp inevitably. I’ve replaced my pads and rotors twice without bedding them in correctly and they didn’t last long. My third set I did a proper bed in procedure and damn are my brakes powerful now, they grab and bit way more, have less brake fade after multiple highway brakes/stops and it’s been almost 35,000km/ 1-1/2 years which is longer than any of my old brakes so far. They still look new !
My car was a 2008 EX35
When you are into modding your cars, worrying about warranties are a moot point, at least for me. I put this kit on my Maxima but I use two piece rotors with light weight rims so I suffer none of the negatives you are dealing with my friend. I now have better fuel economy, better handling! Enkei RPF 1 wheels, 2 piece Mitsubishi Evo X rotors.
I got a 2015 Qx50 rwd ! would some fresh rotors & new calipers fit my model on stock 19s ?
Great content! Did you assess the weight difference with the wheels and tires? I understand going up in size with OEM wheels will typically net in an increase, but I was just curious if you measured it in your case.
For the record, I am in your camp more and more. I am an OEM+ guy in most cases, but I also have a 1991 300ZX that is all original and the akenobo upgrade has always been on the "maybe one day" list but you may have just swayed me off the fence to stay with the stock setup.
Thank you! And yes, I actually posted an analysis of different weight setups, seeing what the penalty was on each component.
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For the QX60 bbk, is it off the fx50 2010. Or how do I find them?
I have a g37s and 370z sport tech. Both have these brakes. Very happy with performance and life of consumables. I've driven g37s and q50s with stardard set up. I could definitely feel the car struggling to bring the car down to a stop during agressive street driving. It's not like it was a safety issue. But I felt like they couldn't keep up with the performance and weight of the vehicle when being hussled. Haven't had the problem with the sport brake setup. I'm doing a brake job now for all 4 rotors pads and hardware with standard oem like (centric rotors, akebono pads) cost me 500.00 in parts and shipping. Got everything from rockauto. Rockauto had cheaper versions, but I wanted oem style and quality. Of course this is the cost for cars that came with this setup. Good info in vid regarding conversions. Nissan did a good job with these things for street driving. Track driving is a different story. Excellent vid bro
UA-cam notifications can be funky sometimes, I never saw this.
But hey, better late than never! I hope the brake job went well. One month review?
What calipers you have?
@@alexiocatan5602
Factory infiniti calipers (4pots up front, 2 out back)
@@EdBwoy no probs. Actually haven't done the job yet. However plan to do within next 2 weeks. I'll update aft
Ok, finally put them on today. Noticable difference. Not sure if its because of new parts or because they are different from the ones that were installed. The centric rotors look indistinguishable from OEM. They may in fact be the same. The akebono proact ceramic pads are very nice. You don't have to bed them. And my wife says the braking feels more immediate. I would say they have 20 percent more bite. If I were to do again, I would go with OEM hardware kits. The Beckley Arnold ones werent the exact size for the fronts. The back kit pins were either the wrong ones in the box or just wrong design as they were an inch longer than the OEM pins. Overall happy so far. One more thing, the pads still had 40 percent life, after 50k miles of spirited driving (pads were a different version of akebono). But I think that testifies to the overall good design of this system. If it weren't for the shudder, we could have kept going. Sorry for long post
Braided lines comes with the banjo bolt
A must do upgrade on any infiniti/nissan. Put them on my maxima for around $700 for powerstop reman akebonos/rotors/pads and they’re amazing. The factory brakes on the maxima suck and these feel significantly more powerful.
Need this on mine too
I put these on my 2K Maxima, for rotors I went with 2 piece Mitsubishi Evo X GSR , works great!
Thanks for all the great content for Infiniti owners! 2018 Q70L Akebono brakes screech when starting out - after all pads replaced. How to fix?
Thanks for the kind words.
Here are the different options I pursue whenever I encounter such issues (in order of increasing complexity):
1. Make sure the brake pads are bedded in properly. www.zeckhausen.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=6446_6443
2. Grease the brake pad - caliper contact points if that wasn't done.
Ref: forums.nicoclub.com/akebono-upgrade-on-the-cheap-t623726.html#p6821106
3. Replace the pads with new pads from a reputable manufacturer. I know this one doesn't exactly apply to you.
4. Grinding/machining the brake pads. Usually, if done properly, the bedding process makes this unnecessary.
Ref: forums.nicoclub.com/squealing-brakes-t618872.html
Although I usually like to ask for this info as well:
1. Who did the work, you or a shop?
2. What kind of brake pads did you use?
3. How old are the rotors?
@@EdBwoy I did the work, Napa Akebono OE Premium Pads/ front and rear. Unsure how old the rotors are
@@EdBwoy Will bedding in the brakes after 3 weeks of wear, make any difference?
@@donaldpells5286 it has made a difference for me. It's one of the first things I do when I buy a new car.
Does anybody know the part number for brake pads used with calipers
Some cross drilled rotors would be nice
Ok so I have a 2014 Q50 Premium and I noticed the calipers are made by Akebono, so do I have sport calipers or do they make the non sport calipers as well?
It depends. Do your front brake calipers look like the ones in the thumbnail image? If yes, then you do have sport calipers.
Calling these *"Akebono Brakes"* is actually a misnomer, because Akebono as a brake manufacturer has been making all kinds of brake components, including the non-sport brake calipers.
Before the Nissan community got to know Akebono for their large aluminum calipers, they were known for making quality brake pads (I think rotors as well) for example in the BMW community.
I also had a 2002 Infiniti QX4 with Akebono brake pads, so they aren't exactly new to Nissan either.
What changed over time is that Akebono replaced Brembo as the manufacturer of Nissan sport model brakes on their most popular consumer cars. As a result, what was previously known as *Brembo sport brake option* became the *Akebono sport brake option* which was later popularized as the *Akebono Big Brake Kit* and is now commonly shortened to *Akebono Brakes*
So, although it isn't technically correct, the Nissan community only considers your brakes to be *"Proper" Akebono Brakes* if they are the big brakes offered by Akebono, as pictured.
Hey Ed quick question, what’s the difference between oem lug nuts and aftermarket is there a advantages and disadvantages of using aftermarket lug nuts with the caps as to using OEM? My g37 lug nuts are stripped but OEM lug nuts cost way more than aftermarket thanks
The big difference is quality control. OEM lug nuts are not usually made by the car companies themselves, but they are approved for use on their vehicles.
Aftermarket lug nuts come in very many different varieties, so if you have a link to which ones you are looking at, we might be able to get reviews. I usually like lug nuts made by Gorilla Locks.
Otherwise, you can get improved OEM ones by searching for part number 40224-4HH0A (they don't have caps). Sometimes you find cheap factory take-offs on ebay
Factory lug nuts have a softer outer layer that can become warped and difficult to fit into the correct socket with repeated tire maintenance.
Hey...I have a 2003 fx45 what’s different with the jdm engine.. planing on doing a engine swap
For an FX45, a lot *should* be similar. Of course, you'll need to replace the oil pan in the JDM engine with an AWD pan.
Then switch over your accessories as well.
You need to buy DBA 5000 and DBA 4000 front and rears it takes 15 -20 lbs off per axel . Also buy 19in wheels OZ Konig or Rays will shave 5-8 lb per axel more ..
I got a 06 m45 is there I particular rotor I need to get when doing this will just be the g37 or if I get q50 will they work
Get the G37 sport akebonos. That way the rear rotors will work with your parking brake shoes
@@EdBwoy ok thanks
I have a QX60, can I fit the sport calipers on my SUV taking into consideration the clearance between the wheel and the caliper?
Yes, the sport calipers can fit on the vehicle itself, but I am not certain whether your stock wheels will fit over them.
You might need to use wheel spacers.
I saw in one of the Facebook groups that someone had installed the Akebono brakes (front and rear) but he was using aftermarket wheels.
I asked him if he ever tested the original factory wheels for fitment but I never got a response for that.
@@EdBwoy Thank you for the info; really appreciate it.
@@EdBwoy Thank you for the info; really appreciate it.
I have a 2011 g37 sedan and want to make a brake upgrade any suggestions that won’t run me more than 2k
You can find the parts on Rockauto for a relatively low cost. The calipers might be unpainted, but you can go ahead and customize as you please
Use lighter big rotors such as a 2 piece system with steel and aluminum alloys.
I own a qx70 what infinity car will have break calipers that would fit let’s say I went told local in yard to get the calipers what infinity car calipers should I ask for that would fit my 2014 qx70 thanks
Most Infiniti sport models use the same Akebono calipers. The front rotors are also the same, with the only difference being the rear rotors on some of them.
Usually the brakes don't stay long in many junkyards, so check places like eBay as well
@@EdBwoy he have you ever had a rattle coming from your exhaust like around the y pipe on your qx70? I’m getting like an sound from that area I guess their prone to going bad sometimes
@@EdBwoy hey by the way watching your videos helped me make my purchase very informative the qx70 is definitely a good car to own very solid and fast the and handling is awesome I just got it and I’m happy so far it drives like a car almost not that top heave feeling from most suvs
Have anyone been able to put akebono 2 piece rotors on a infiniti m56 with sports calipers in the rear? I was unable to clear the emergency brake.
You might have gotten the wrong rotors. The M56, FX50, Q50 etc have different rear rotors than the G37. The hats are larger
Post a link
forums.nicoclub.com/z1-2-piece-rotors-and-new-wheels-pics-t626266.html
@@EdBwoy thanks alot. I have to return these to Z1 Motorsports. They said the front for the g37 will fit our m56, so I'm good there. I just have to swap the rear with the q50 q60 2017+. My question now is why don't Z1 motorsports know this?
@@ddavis9542 good question on the last part. I have no idea why, but Z1 doesn't seem to market much to the Infiniti Ms.
The only way some of us figured things out, was by looking at the OEM part numbers and taking our chances.
Do you mention to them what application you were buying the brakes for?
@@EdBwoy I did tell them it was for M56 with akebono sports calipers and he told me the g37 rotors would fit and I would just need to work with the emergency brake. They have no clue what works on the m56.
The rear caliper seizes because INFINITI/Nissan designed their vehicles to always be active on the rear brakes while driving. They do it to keep the car more straight. LSD and performance brakes fixes that issue.
My akebono upgrade was worth it on my 350z
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My q50 now makes significantly more power and trying to slow it down after using this newfound power is not good. Both my front rotors are warped from slowing down one pull to 150mph.
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