Well,...oh yeah! Mine didn't. So there! (How about the invisible unicorn? My group thought that the evidence for that one was sketchy. After all, it's not mentioned in the Bible or the Koran. Or is it? I'd better check....)
@@stevenholmes78 Not a threat, a warning; God doesn't want you to find out what it's like, because He knows.. and besides, Hell doesn't just stop existing because some folks don't believe in it
Howard is in a class all his own. I find it hilarious that he seems to have given up being obliterated in FE "debates" and has moved to places like AXP to promote his ridiculous claims.
Yes, like pro-life instead of anti-abortion or intelligent design instead of creationism. They have to change the labels to escape the negativity and rejection they themselves produce by taking these unreasonable, unintelligent and, oftentimes, cringe, stances.
Flat earthers accusing people of "ignoring evidence" is hilarious. My man, you're ignoring literal photos from space showing the earth is not flat. Not to mention literally every single experiment that proves the earth isn't flat.
It’s Cee Gee Eye!(said in the Welsh accent of The Creaky Blinder)😆🤣 I know it’s completely absurd, but that’s their ridiculous argument for ignoring photos of our earth.
Don't have to, Howard lives in Benidorm, Spain. Maybe it is his isolation esp. without british tourists in winter that drove him into insanity. When I remember it correct, he is also in heart-shaped pebbles on the beach being true petrified hearts, and mountain ranges being petrified dragons etc. I do not know what went wrong with these people, they lost trust in ANYthing established and therefore believe ANY conspiracy.
@@thedave1771 Considering the litany of warnings I've gotten about violating the community guidelines, I'm going to assert with confidence and authority: *THAT IS BEING NICE*
The Greeks 2200 years ago not only knew that the earth was a globe but actually came up with a pretty good estimate of its circumference. Eratosthenes performed a simple experiment using shadows and geometry. That someone in the 21st century can actually think that the earth is flat boggles the mind.
Is odd how theists Despise to even Acknowledge there were civilizations all over the World that were Growing & Knowledge was spreading. Yes there were wars as well butt DAFUQ happened to civilizations when judaism, islam & christianity started Spreading???
Every Flat Earther: So you just believe whatever you’re told?!? Were you there?!? Why can’t I feel myself spin?! You don’t think people can lie (except me)?! Why haven’t I heard about it?! You know I’m always right you just work for NASA.
@@nealjroberts4050 they absolutely do lol. I've been told dozens of times I'm ignoring "evidence of god" that doesn't exist. They use the bible as evidence when the believability of the Bible is entirely faith based. It's not every theist, but it's a bafflingly large portion of them
@chris424cm, The "Scientific Method" was invented by Young Earth Creationists like Newton, Kepler and Copernicus who expected to find Order and Design in Nature because they believed in the Designer. The real issue isn't that Athiests aren't "Ignoring evidence for God", but that they don't even know what that "Evidence" would even look like. How would you know that $1 million dollars US exists if you've never seen it with your eyes in person? How do you know what caused the formation of SpacetimeandMatter, and the "Great Expansion" when you didn't personally witness it? I suspect that if Jesus Himself personally appeared in your bedroom tonight, slapped you in the head with His fleshy palm and said "I AM God", you'd be like Ebenezer Scrooge and chalk it up to hallucination from undigested dinner from that night.
As an art major, the 7 colors bs is killing me. Just open up the color picker in any basic image editor and you'll find hundreds of colors that fall very messily under some commonly used categories which blend seamlessly into each other to the point that it becomes impossible to tell definitively where one stops and the next starts. But if you stopped education at age 5, there's only ROYGBV.
I would not say this is much of an exception, since the claim itself has no merit to begin with. I know plenty of British individuals who are quite smart, but I know many more who are just plain stupid. By the way, this is not exclusive to the British people either. Most individuals in most cultures are stupid.
In common with the vast majority of my fellow Norwegians, I’m an atheist. I’m not inclined to ignore evidence. I’ve simply never seen or heard a single shred of evidence that might support the existence of a “god”.
1:20 "I wonder if it's because you guys are scared of final judgement..." if we were scared of final judgement, we wouldn't be atheists. We would be kissing god's arse every minute.
Well no, we'd just ask forgiveness whenever it suits us and go right back and start the whole process all over again. You know, like theists do. That's why the entire "atheists just want to SIN" bit makes absolutely no sense. If that was all, we'd just do what they do.
As soon as Howard went into the non-globe discussion of the earth I knew this was a lost cause. But it was good to show how ludicrous these type of arguments are.
i had this on in the background and had my attention taken for a little bit and as soon as i heard what he was offering a cash prize for on spanish tv i was like “ohhhhhh so he just isn’t okay PERIOD” and i hate to say it but when he was mentioning how no one takes him seriously i was like “well mate neither do i”
Exactly, easy to do when he has vauge conditions and he's the only judge. Of course I doubt that very many people ever thought that he would ever pay up. Flat-earthers are notorious for issuing challenges they never had the intention and/or the means to reward a winner for. This one is already known to be either lying or delusional among the flat-earth debunkers.
I was here for this call live and honestly, it was embarrassing to listen to as an Englishman. Our education system is better than this. He must have been taught real things, and then his broken brain just went "NOPE - LET'S GET RID OF THAT".
Fortunately for us, he isn't representative of English education. It really would be fascinating to get his life story though, to see where and when it was that he veered into Flat Earth ideology, 'cause I really don't know how it is that people end up there. I know for some it comes from familial pressure - for example our English compatriot and atheist UA-camr Emma Thorne has discussed her upbringing under the influence of her conspiracy theorist father and done videos about the sorts of things she believed before being convinced otherwise. And I also know that once a person has embraced one conspiracy theory, they tend to have to embrace others either to justify the initial belief or because the alternative cannot be justified when holding that initial belief; for instance, most Flat Earthers are going to be Moon Landing Hoaxers too because otherwise they would have to accept that the Earth has been seen from space. And then they need to believe in a global government conspiracy, and then they need to determine a motive, and so it isn't difficult to see the path that they take from "I can see the Isle of Man from Blackpool" to "the sciences are a satanic global conspiracy". I suspect that though most roads lead to the same mass-conspiracy conclusion, the origins of each conspiracy theorist are different. And I don't think it's difficult to see the urge to believe something fantastical - we do it all of the time when we watch movies. The flaw is in... well, it was exactly what this caller demonstrated repeatedly: confirmation bias; they accept one erroneous belief, then another and another, and they wind up with what they believe is this complex model of the world that's harder to shake than the original idea because it's chock-full of ad hoc rationalisation. Folding Ideas did a great video on this - it's called "In Search of a Flat Earth". It starts by exploring the Flat Earth belief, but in the later part of the video also explores the other conspiracy theories embraced by that community and how they weave together into this self-justifying monolithic belief. ...but I'm waffling. It just truly would be fascinating to know where and when these beliefs started for people, because I'm not surprised at how they end up where they do, but knowing what started them down that path would be interesting.
it goes both ways. its based on how you perceive the world. for a flat earther they give you evidence and you reject it and vise versa. they both think they already have the truth. that goes same thing to atheism and theism. all of the people have their own criteria of what makes an evidence and their logic and reason is what it comes down to.
@@conspiracy1914 No it doesn't go both ways! The truth is the truth, and there is only one reality we all live in, you cannot have your own! Some people perceive the world to be flat and that "THEY" are trying to kill us all, and faking us out with "Science", and yet not one of them can show any evidence for it, just like no one has ever shown any viable evidence for their god! You are missing one major component: TRUE JUSTIFIED BELIEF people can believe whatever they f they want to and all too often do, and you are right in saying "all of the people have their own criteria of what makes an evidence and their logic and reason is what it comes down to", but it cannot make them right just because, and the ones who are right are right and the ones who are wrong are wrong! Bad standards of evidence are bad and lead to false conclusions! It's worse though with some, like Howard here, because he does have all of the great evidence at his fingertips, but he is rejecting it outright because it doesn't comport with his preferred fantasy! Anyone who understands why he is wrong and that the earth is a sphere, has true justified belief they are right, Howard's belief is not justified, nor even justifiable! The difference is how people come to truth which dictates who will ultimately have it, and "Both think they have the truth" is a terrible way of saying it, because only one side has good reason to reject the other side, and so it is not an even playing field. IOW: You don't hold a gun to your head because you think it's not loaded, but when You have more than sufficient evidence it really isn't, and even then it's a bad idea, as some moron may try the same based on shit evidence after seeing you do it! Howard has been doing this for years now, and belongs in a mental institution, it's that bad!
It appears that Howard doesn't understand the meaning of some of the words he uses, such as 'empirical' and 'evidence'. Howard tells us that people laugh at him. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have asked himself why that happens.
A globe skeptic, not an oblique spheroid, not flat, whatever that looks like, I wonder what shape he’d prefer? Maybe it isn’t fixed and the Earth’s geometry is still evolving?
@@johnellis1567 Nah, he *does* think it's "flat", he just took the word "flat" when Forrest/Armin said it to mean "two dimensional" and then ranted about how he doesn't think it's two dimensional. He thinks it's a short cylinder, which everyone else in the world except this clown knows is what people mean by "flat Earth". He's just an absolute moron in every way.
Exactly! To paraphrase Occam's Razor, the goal should be to reach conclusions that rely on as few _assumptions_ as possible. His entire position is a stack of assumptions.
To the caller, explain: 1. Tides 2. Timezones 3. Why you can’t see the north star south of the equator 4. How we predict and track hurricanes if the satellite photos are fake. 5. Why artillery needs to adjust for the Coriolis effect. 6. Seasons 7. The phases of the moon. 8. Why ships disappear bottom first over the horizon. 9. How a sextant could possibly work on a flat earth. 10. Why all the stars appear to rotate around the north star north of the equator, but they all rotate the opposite direction around the southern bald spot south of the equator. 11. Why can you calculate the time it takes a Foucault pendulum to complete a circle knowing only your latitude? 12. Even high school students have duplicated the Cavendish experiment, how is that possible on a flat earth? If mass attracts mass, “down” must be toward the center of the earth. That would be exciting on a flat earth. 13. solar eclipses. 14. Lunar eclipses. 15. Why is the angle of the North Star/Southern bald spot related to your latitude? This list is in no particular order, made off the cuff and typed on a tiny device. So kindly focus on the concepts and not the typos.
You would need to explain all these points and a lot more just to equal the globe theory and then you would need to predict something the globe model can't for the flat earth to beat it. Flat earthers don't grasp the amount of evidence and predictions we can muster for the globe.
@@HIIIBEARI did not pay attention to the name, but his voice made me suspicious. He has a chin beard like Iron Horse (formely known as FEAJ).Obviously, when their brains explodes their skull was so fact-hardened that the blast went all downwards and now nerve strands are dangling from their chins. And all that is left in their head is a vacuum, an empty flat plane with a firmament bone dome over it.
"Oh no, I'm not saying all scientists lie" Except that the globe has to be true for every aeronautical science, especially space related stuff. He HAS to believe that there's the biggest conspiracy ever.
It also has to be accounted for in ALL telecommunications applications, so he would need to technically provide proofs and implementation guidelines for telecoms WITHOUT the earth's curvature accounted for
Science points directly to God. That said, I've been proving God for 50 yrs. To be as brief as possible. We are DYING/losing information/decaying in disorder over time toward our heat death end/going from bad to worse; thus, nothing in this world can produce new information/new anatomy/evolution/gain of complexity; thus, existence requires a NON-DYING CAUSE (God) to produce your initial information, before it started to dissipate. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you're debunked.
Not to mention why point-to-point radio communication across land always has a range limit, even when involving radio towers and/or mountain-peak stations. On a flat Earth, this should be impossible: there should be perfect line-of-sight radio communication from any point on the Earth to any other, unobstructed point. In reality, the curvature of our spherical Earth always puts an ultimate limit on how far radio signals can be transmitted & received before the planetary mass of the Earth itself blocks them (unless we rely on ham radio techniques such as exploiting the sunspot cycle).
@@zenkim6709 Yeah, but I heard roundabout unscientific attempts at explaining that with something like absurdly powerful atmospheric deviation of waves, light and radio. It would be the same explaination as to why the Sun goes down the horizon maintaining the same size instead of going far away while staying on top of the flat Earth. Its light just gets pushed down to the ground after a certain distance, and radio waves would be affected by that too. You can't ride a radio wave like you ride an aircraft, so radio scientists could be honestly mistaken, while everyone that ever reached the outer parts of the atmosphere and beyond HAS to be lying to give validity to this crazy conspiracy theory. Either that, or he never even thought this thoroughly about this XD
Did you notice: 1. That the earth is travelling at 66,620 mph, but to get to "666", it has to be given in _"hundred_ mph" - which isn't a way that mph is EVER given. 2. In order to get the 666, he NECESSARILY requires that the earth is orbiting the sun... But that's not how he later described the sun working in his Flerfer "model".
Yeah, that's weird. I didn't pick up on that. That's a contradiction so extreme that it's hard to imagine the most delusional person tolerating it. When he was talking about accounting for the shadow angles when Eratosthenes was measuring the circumference of the earth, he was a using the supposition that the sun was close to the earth.
@@donnievance1942 exactly. And yet, earlier, the earth was wizzing around the sun at a speed that somehow meant we were worshipping Helios. Ummm... wot?
@@donnievance1942 admittedly, he was correct about that very specific experiment by Eratosthenes - either a round earth with the sun very far away, or a flat earth with a nearby sun could explain the observation. What Flerfers CAN'T do is explain the rest of the observations! Try to get one to produce a flat map that accurately shows the distance between cities that are in a general East-West alignment, for cities in the equator and at high and low latitudes. 🤯 🤣🤣
For point 2, I think what he said is that the 666 thing was just an internal critique. He doesn't actually believe that's the real value of anything, but he does think (somewhat incorrectly as the hosts explained) that's the number given by round-earthers. He just wanted to show that in that model 6 could also be considered a special number... for some reason?? I'm seriously confused about what he was trying to say, holistically. He used the omnipresence of the number 7 as an argument for god and everything, and the rebuttal was "that's just selection bias, 7 isn't any more special than 6 for example" and... it sounded like he was agreeing?? Like "yea you're right, for example in your model we see 6 a lot here and there"... but then that just proves that 7 isn't special? and his argument was wrong?? Or was it supposed to be a hypocrisy thing, like "O-oh w-well in YOUR model you ALSO have a special number, and it's six, heh!" Except that's insane. But tbf Howard IS insane, so that might be within expectation.
@@ilonachan It's almost as if his consciousness is being fed information from a hundred different sources located deep within his Id. This of course is not a problem as his Id has assured him with a feeling so sublime that he intuitively knows that they are all irrefutable truths no matter what, even if they contradict each other.
As an English person, I'm deeply embarrassed that this bloke is a fellow countryman. We're working hard at weeding out these people, and it is slowly working.
The thing is, you could prove that earth if flat, 6,000 years old, and that evolution doesn't happen. You've still done basically NOTHING to prove that your highly specific version of God exists or that anybody should be living their lives according to your highly specific interpretation of some old book.
I've been proving God for 50 yrs. To be as brief as possible. We are DYING/losing information/decaying in disorder over time toward our heat death end/going from bad to worse; thus, nothing in this world can produce new information/new anatomy/evolution/gain of complexity; thus, existence requires a NON-DYING CAUSE (God) to produce your initial information, before it started to dissipate. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you're debunked.
@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh Yeah I Can prove no GOD is active in stopping or preventing evil. Meanwhile your GOD allows you to make foolish posts in blind FAITH.
Brandolini's Law states "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it." Thank you, Armin and Forrest, for expending this inordinate amount of energy.
"The whole of Spain saw it" Dude, who are you? For you it was the biggest moment of your life, for the local tv station it was another crazy brit, we have too many.
Seems to me he doesn’t like “flat earth” even as a colloquial term, as if it implies he believes in some kind of 2D world. Seems that “globe sceptic” is how he identifies. Equally nonsensical.
@@NeutralMjolkHotel Gotta say it's a whole new "level" of insanity if these nutters honestly think "flat earthers" and "globe skeptics" are different things. They both use the same arguments, almost as if they're reading off the same list. But yeah, it's more likely they decided on identifying as something different, since the old identifier brings so much mockery with it, like how when anti-vaxxers tried to re-identify...
I’m of mixed minds. On one hand it’s a powerful demonstration of their character. On the other I question the value of legitimizing this drivel with civility and the veneer of debate. I don’t want to live in a world where everything is up for debate in the market place of ideas. There needs to be a certain baseline of things we just aren’t open to discussion on. Ethnostates, eugenics, and flat earth are all ideas that have had their time and need to be given the old Yeller treatment. I just don’t see any value in polite engagement with people on this sort of topic when the proponents of these ideas are invariably bad faith and dishonest or entirely incapable of a rational discussion.
@@munchkingod6 One of those things is not like the others. One of those things just doesn't belong. Can you tell which thing is not like the others, before I finish my song?
@@TheBrothergreen I mean obviously they’re not on their face morally equivalent. But they are equally stupid, and the people who support those ideas today use the same tactics and are of comparable caliber. And there IS a substantial connection. Flat Earth isn’t harmless. It’s a gateway to conspiratorial thinking and often to white nationalism and other violent repulsive ideologies. In order to espouse flat earth you must adopt a worldview that is primed for anti-rational thinking. You must reject intellectualism and the entire body of modern science. There’s a reason we see so many people go Flat Earth to Antivax to QAnon to Nazi. The worldviews are deeply resonant.
You have to understand that for Howard, a discussion like this is gold. Pure gold. At least as far as his FLERF community goes. They are going to dissect everything you said and exploit any perceived weakness they find. They will use this as fuel to further their prominence on wtvr platform they work from. The whole idea is that it makes them feel special that "they" understand and the rest of the world does not. I don't think Howard really gives a crap about god, that was just his way into your show.
He doesn’t “care” about anything other than his desperate need for constant attention. He couldn’t give us the evidence he claimed we were ignoring and instead said we have to believe whatever he says because he’s the only honest person in the world.
@@DefendUrPolicyDontScapegoatLie "he’s the only honest person in the world." Him and other flat earthers. At least the ones he agrees with. They have so many versions of this crap that FLERFERs themselves don't agree on what a "flat earth" is or means. At least we have consensus.
@@ngcastronerd4791 I remember when the ice wall was the thing they said contains the oceans. Then later they said “no one EVER said an ice wall surrounds the planet”. They can’t decide which map has the right position of continents.
There's a guy who literally thinks that a seven day week is the definitive proof of God. But then this guy believes that rocks are petrified hearts. So... tomato, tomahto?
"You can only see 7 celestial bodies with the naked eye." *Thousands of stars, and the Milky Way itself, raise their hands.* "Nobody has shown curvature" *MAGE II has entered the conversation*
@@Magnusfication Is the place where the discoveries were made actually relevant? You asked for the other person's point, but you clearly lack a point yourself.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 grim first has to demonstrate that the place of birth is relevant to whether or not the OP should feel pride. Me stating that he lived in Greece when he made his discoveries and asking what his point was with the birth comment was exactly my point.
@@Magnusfication If Erasthotenes was born in Libya, then he was not Greek. Therefore, it is unclear on what basis the O.P. being Greek relates to pride for Erasthotenes' discovery.
"I had my challenge up for three years, and only two people tried submitting evidence! And one of them used Photoshopped images!" A: How did you determine those images were Photoshopped? B: What did the other one submit? This is the issue with all the conspiracy theorists who CLAIM to put their money where their mouth is. If you ever want to actually SEE that money, you need to break their worldview, not just clear their challenge. Because anything that clears their challenge, they will find some way to declare invalid. That's why so few people bother attempting these challenges, because they know that even when they succeed, they won't get the credit, and the challenger will continue to believe their crazy theories. It's not worth trying. Anyone who is seriously open to learning how they're wrong doesn't bet large sums of money on being right. Not unless the wager is rigged in their favor.
I once had a discussion with someone that I would say is about as well informed and together as this caller. When I brought up the need for empirical evidence, they argued that what the British crown mandated didn't affect reality. I realized he thought empirical meant imperial. So well informed these types....
Howard claims to do scientific experiments. His 'cold Moonlight' experiment is hilarious. His 10K euro challenge is invalid because he himself is the judge of what is or isn't acceptable as evidence. He's never come across a conspiracy theory he won't subscribe to.
I would take him up on his challenge if he would pre-pay my travel expenses, post a bond covering the payout, sign a contractual agreement specifying the actual observational predictions that define the criteria for success or failure, and agree to the cooperative choosing of a panel to judge the results who would have the legal power to release the money. You would need a bay of an appropriate size, with a sea cliff on the target side, a good telescope with appropriate power and resolution, and some kind of arrangement for lowering a large, white target (maybe 5 meters X 5 meters) down the cliff face until it appeared to touch the water as observed from the opposite shore, coordinated by a cell phone connection, of course. It would be an easy 10,000 pounds, especially since he says he would allow only half the measurement predicted by earth's curvature. Meeting all these requirements would cost him a lot more than 10,000 pounds of course, so it would never happen.
From the day the first boat was put in the water, sailed out to sea and returned to shore, people have known the earth is round. What's the first thing you see when scanning the horizon for a sailboat? *The tip of the mast!* (okay, and floating beer cans) Howard, dear, you need to get out on the water more. Take a sixer, sunblock, and binoculars. Go out to where you cannot see land, enjoy the water and the silence, feed the fish, throw fries to the seagulls, and when that gets boring head back to shore. On your way in, use the binocs and search the horizon. What's the first thing you see? It's either going to be the top of the marina flagpole or the "penthouse" suite in a luxury beachfront highrise. I'm sorry, Howard, but the curvature of the earth does not lie.
Pirates used this fact to scout out islands. Position the ship so it's hidden by the horizon and then use a spyglass from the crow's nest. They could see the island and any fortifications but anyone on the island would have a hard time seeing them.
And MC Toon has a $10k prize for any Flat Earther how can find a location using celestial navigation ONLY using "flat earth" maths. Been open for other a year now with no takers. All these Flerth challenges by people like Howard and Dave Weiss are bullshit challenges.
I seem to remember Sleeping Warrior betting £1,000 there should be a lunar eclipse once every month if the Earth was a globe. Of course, he never paid up.
The divisions are not as arbitrary as you think. They are based on the absorption characteristics of the several pigments that characterize the different color reception cell types in the retina. When you look at a rainbow, you see distinct bands, even though the actual change in light frequency is a continuous transition across the width of the rainbow. This is a perceptual artifact arising from the nature of eye.
@@donnievance1942 not arbitrary, I know, but still human-made. Similar to "notes" distinguishing amidst the frequency range that could be divided any number of ways, it seems we've set it based on what sounds good to the human ear. And the rainbow is labeled based on the human eye's receptors. I love this stuff. Nature, reality, is analog and fuzzy, but we like to categorize in distinct units. And it's useful to do so. But then some go and think those discrete definitions are real, or divinely set.
They're seven because Newton considered seven a mystical number when doing his prism experiments. Before that rainbows were usually represented as 3 colours!
I thought he was wrong until he pointed out that a rainbow has seven colors and there are seven notes. That was a deal breaker! I’m sure both those ideas are rock solid and not subjective human opinions. Oh, shit Forrest just brought that up…. Nevermind…
I flew from Auckland to Wellington (New Zealadn on a perfect summers day yesterday (11th jan 2024) and took some wonderful pics of the blue ocean, and the very observable curve of the horizon.
Nitpick: It's medium. The singular form of media is medium. The news media are a collective pile of this medium and that. Not to imply "Middle" but "a general way/means of". Film is a medium of storytelling. A newspaper is a medium of delivering current events. Currency is a medium of exchange. Like I said, it's a nitpick, but now you know. A pleasant evening to you. :)
One of the first questions in Physical Chemistry at Harvey Mudd when I was there was: Given the Ideal Gas Law, prove the sky is blue. Hint: It isn't made of water.
" I don't think they are lying! I don't think anyone is lying!!! it's not a conspiracy!!!" Goes on to explain what he thinks they are doing which includes a describe of lying and of a conspiracy
Im glad Arim asked the thing I always wonder when someone is so far into a delusion- why they think there are millions conducting the greatest conspiracy in history? His answer was similarly crazy but at least we know 😉.....Fact he was well aware, that on multiple occasions “ everyone was laughing at me...,” was in itself very amusing 😂.
Concerning the musical notes, frequencies were assigned letters by people rather than something discovered in nature. I once had a discussion where told a religious guy that a day was one rotation of the earth and he told me that the way we have days is that it is 24 hours. They think that concepts take precedence over reality.
It’s a bit frustrating. People have a conclusion and then look for evidence to support that conclusion, regardless of the actual evidence they come across
The scientific field of Flora is a very broad field. After a couple generalized courses you should consider specializing in a particular field within the field, ex mycology the study of fungi. 💁♂️
Just use that $10,000.00 to go on vacation across the equator and look at the night sky, where the stars will be different and rotating in the opposite direction and the face of the moon will be flipped upside down, which wouldn't happen on a disk but would be completely expected on a spheroid.
Or go on a trip westwards . California is west of New York, China is west of California, India is west of China, Egypt is west of India, Spain is west of Egypt, New York is West of Spain. Perfectly mundane on a globe, completely impossible on a disk.
@@lnsflare1 Wrong. On their flat earth model with the north pole at the center, going west is following a huge circle around the pole which they allow could be undertaken by following a compass bearing, giving the same observational result as what you're suggesting. The only way to prove your point would be to follow a series of straight-line sightings, checked with back sights, using a theodolite, which would be impossible crossing the ocean, because there would be nothing to take a sight on.
There is no way that he would ever pay out. This is typical behaviour of some flat-earther/science deniers, they offer a challenge with a substantial reward for providing evidence of x, y, or z, and then refuse to accept any evidence as valid because it conflicts with whatever they have already decided is the truth.
The red bull video is using a very wide angle lens, so it's not possible to use it to say anything about the curvature. However, there are MANY videos, including amateur videos from high altitude balloons, that specifically use rectilinear lenses with no distortion which definitively show that there's a curve. If the flat earthers had any know-how, they could easily repeat these experiments. But for some reason, they don't...🤔
The red bull video doesn't prove anything because of the lenses used. Curvature as well as horizon falling below "eye level" can be easily shown with simple experiments performed with home-made items and climbing a small mountain, preferrably next to the sea.
@@mathiasrryba Perhaps using a homemade quadrant to sight level and observe that the distant horizon appears to fall below level? What these bozo flerfers don't grasp is that if the earth was flat, there would be no distinct horizon at all when the sea was observed from any height. The sea would just fade out at greater and greater distances until it was lost in the increasing atmospheric interference. At the level line there would be a transition zone where it was impossible to separate the sea from the sky.
I am from England and can confirm the earth is not round, I can see a hindu temple in the distance which is clearly in India, the ISS is actually a pac man character it goes across then appears instantly at the other side. Being of Norse descent I know there are the the 9 realms in the branches of ygddrasil so science has made a very expensive series of mistakes and needs to start again!
that could happen on a flat disc, too. The Sun flies half a circle above the disc, then half a circle under it. But yes, we use the globe model to predict sunsets whenever wherever we want to, and it always works. I cannot even hope for 1 viable prediction from flat Earthers.
Actually, what was the most annoying aspect of this phone call is that he called with a religious implication about his pseudoscience, and no matter how many times you told him “We don’t care if you think the Earth is flat because it in no way proves God” he still kept going on and on about how the earth was flat. As much as you wanted to steer him away from using the shape of the earth as some sort of evidence for God, he kept just going back to the shape of the Earth. Absolutely bizarre!
Howard: I am a strict adherant of the scientific method Howard 30 minutes later: The scientific method is asking people on Facebook what they think Hollywood wishes they could write a plot twist this good
"All the people on my flat earth facebook group agreed with me about the evidence!"
Powerful testimony.
Well,...oh yeah! Mine didn't. So there! (How about the invisible unicorn? My group thought that the evidence for that one was sketchy. After all, it's not mentioned in the Bible or the Koran. Or is it? I'd better check....)
"no one posted evidence"
so, no one participated in the charade, therefore no evidence exists
@@bobtimster62 Of course it is mentioned in the bible, its just written in invisible ink
Well, do the Eratosthenes experiment with a proper watch, there at your place in England and show us the result..
"All the people in my cult, say it's 'not a cult'. Checkmate!"
"Are you scared of final judgment..."
He started with threats of eternal damnation and wonders why no one takes him seriously.
It's like being afraid of fighting Darth Vader
But that's.. what it is; if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear anyway, essentially! ☺️
Why would an all-powerful god need to threaten people with the fear of hell?
@@stevenholmes78 Not a threat, a warning; God doesn't want you to find out what it's like, because He knows.. and besides, Hell doesn't just stop existing because some folks don't believe in it
@reecemin-cher3601 LOL, Keep on believing
“Globe skeptic” is an interesting way of saying Flat Earther
Even "Globe-Skeptics" think flat-earthers are crazy. 😂😂😂
Howard is in a class all his own. I find it hilarious that he seems to have given up being obliterated in FE "debates" and has moved to places like AXP to promote his ridiculous claims.
It’s an interesting way of saying a fucking idiot.
Yeah, I have no sympathy for them and call them as they are.
It's also an interesting way to tell us he's an idiot.
Yes, like pro-life instead of anti-abortion or intelligent design instead of creationism. They have to change the labels to escape the negativity and rejection they themselves produce by taking these unreasonable, unintelligent and, oftentimes, cringe, stances.
Flat earthers accusing people of "ignoring evidence" is hilarious. My man, you're ignoring literal photos from space showing the earth is not flat. Not to mention literally every single experiment that proves the earth isn't flat.
But but but I think I see too far
CGI... lol.. I don't actually believe that but that's their argument 🤷
It’s Cee Gee Eye!(said in the Welsh accent of The Creaky Blinder)😆🤣
I know it’s completely absurd, but that’s their ridiculous argument for ignoring photos of our earth.
Not only that, but they are ignoring their OWN EXPEREMENTS that proved the Earth is a globe.
But the photos of Earth are 2D. 2D is flat!
As a Brit can I apologise for Howard’s idiocy. I don’t know what happened to him, maybe he was dropped on his head as a baby 🤷♀️.
why on earth would you take responsibility for an idiot. ive got idiots here i dont claim them bastards haha
Don't have to, Howard lives in Benidorm, Spain. Maybe it is his isolation esp. without british tourists in winter that drove him into insanity.
When I remember it correct, he is also in heart-shaped pebbles on the beach being true petrified hearts, and mountain ranges being petrified dragons etc.
I do not know what went wrong with these people, they lost trust in ANYthing established and therefore believe ANY conspiracy.
@@feedingravens oh yeah i remember that haha, hilarious. ya i dont know went wrong either its funny tho and sad
We gave the world donald trump....I think we still owe you
Religion happened to Howard. Thats why he cannot think past magic.
NOTE FOR THE CALLER: Stringing together an incoherent string of sciencey sounding words is *NOT THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD*
Be nice, it’s as close as they’ll ever get without a decision to turn their life a different direction.
He's also saying there are seven musical notes and seven colors in the rainbow which are easily disproved assertions and he bases his beliefs on them.
@@thedave1771 Considering the litany of warnings I've gotten about violating the community guidelines, I'm going to assert with confidence and authority: *THAT IS BEING NICE*
@@TheSnoeedog oh I know, I agree. Just saying, this might be the best they’ll ever do. They’ve already peaked.
@@thedave1771 LOL...
The Greeks 2200 years ago not only knew that the earth was a globe but actually came up with a pretty good estimate of its circumference. Eratosthenes performed a simple experiment using shadows and geometry. That someone in the 21st century can actually think that the earth is flat boggles the mind.
You should try actually watching the call 18:12
@@pizzagogo6151 I admit I lost interest when the guy started talking about flat earth so I didn't get that far.
Is odd how theists Despise to even Acknowledge there were civilizations all over the World that were Growing & Knowledge was spreading. Yes there were wars as well butt DAFUQ happened to civilizations when judaism, islam & christianity started Spreading???
@@pizzagogo6151 Sometimes we do running commentary on the things that rub us the wrong way. :P
Every Flat Earther:
So you just believe whatever you’re told?!? Were you there?!? Why can’t I feel myself spin?! You don’t think people can lie (except me)?! Why haven’t I heard about it?! You know I’m always right you just work for NASA.
One of the MANY problems with theists is they equivocate faith with evidence.
......and theists are full of shit.😊
No we don't.
@@nealjroberts4050you do EVERY TIME
@@nealjroberts4050 they absolutely do lol. I've been told dozens of times I'm ignoring "evidence of god" that doesn't exist. They use the bible as evidence when the believability of the Bible is entirely faith based. It's not every theist, but it's a bafflingly large portion of them
@@nealjroberts4050 then explain the evidence the caller presented.
"im not trying to be rude to you" - person who started off by threatening ETERNAL TORTURE
The best part was when Armin said "Thanks for showing us you don't understand the scientific method." That was great.
@chris424cm, The "Scientific Method" was invented by Young Earth Creationists like Newton, Kepler and Copernicus who expected to find Order and Design in Nature because they believed in the Designer.
The real issue isn't that Athiests aren't "Ignoring evidence for God", but that they don't even know what that "Evidence" would even look like.
How would you know that $1 million dollars US exists if you've never seen it with your eyes in person?
How do you know what caused the formation of SpacetimeandMatter, and the "Great Expansion" when you didn't personally witness it?
I suspect that if Jesus Himself personally appeared in your bedroom tonight, slapped you in the head with His fleshy palm and said "I AM God", you'd be like Ebenezer Scrooge and chalk it up to hallucination from undigested dinner from that night.
If Howard just opened with "I'm a flat earther idiot so this is going to be a waste of time" that would have been nice.
😂 That would’ve been the polite thing to do.
That would've required a level of self-awareness that he doesn't seem capable of. :-|
That's setting the bar a little high re: both honesty and insight
He opened saying he’s a theist, and he’s calling on here. Tell me, without telling me…
It’s such a top-down approach. “This is truth, I will find evidence to support it.” Very unscientific.
As a music major, the 7 music notes bs is killing me 😂
I hear ya
Play him some micro tonal stuff and blow his mind.
Play him some Gamelan music (pelog or slendro???)
As an art major, the 7 colors bs is killing me. Just open up the color picker in any basic image editor and you'll find hundreds of colors that fall very messily under some commonly used categories which blend seamlessly into each other to the point that it becomes impossible to tell definitively where one stops and the next starts.
But if you stopped education at age 5, there's only ROYGBV.
Wait a minute I don't know jck shit about music, but, (doe ray mi fa so la ti do) is eight notes?
Someone told me that the British accent can make anyone sound smart… I found the exception to this 💀
We're very good at PR 😂😂😂😂😂
Depends which British accent.
There's 4 different countries and hundreds of different accents
@@skindred1888 Nobody cares.
@@AdamTaylor-g5p Your claim is factually incorrect.
I would not say this is much of an exception, since the claim itself has no merit to begin with. I know plenty of British individuals who are quite smart, but I know many more who are just plain stupid.
By the way, this is not exclusive to the British people either. Most individuals in most cultures are stupid.
In common with the vast majority of my fellow Norwegians, I’m an atheist. I’m not inclined to ignore evidence. I’ve simply never seen or heard a single shred of evidence that might support the existence of a “god”.
1:20 "I wonder if it's because you guys are scared of final judgement..." if we were scared of final judgement, we wouldn't be atheists. We would be kissing god's arse every minute.
i wouldnt. if god was real i would flip him off and burn in hell knowing iam morally superior to him.
i fell out my chair when he said that. bahaha
You’re just scared that Santa will give you coal. That’s why you deny his gift giving glory.
Well no, we'd just ask forgiveness whenever it suits us and go right back and start the whole process all over again. You know, like theists do. That's why the entire "atheists just want to SIN" bit makes absolutely no sense. If that was all, we'd just do what they do.
@@solomonverrico Good point. Let the sin begin!
As soon as Howard went into the non-globe discussion of the earth I knew this was a lost cause. But it was good to show how ludicrous these type of arguments are.
i had this on in the background and had my attention taken for a little bit and as soon as i heard what he was offering a cash prize for on spanish tv i was like “ohhhhhh so he just isn’t okay PERIOD” and i hate to say it but when he was mentioning how no one takes him seriously i was like “well mate neither do i”
Again and Again 🐂💩 keep them coming.
Exactly
What's worse is that I recognized the voice the moment he opened his mouth and knew it was going to be face-palm inducing from then on.
“I use the scientific method”. Then proceeds to make a series of assumptions that aren’t supported by evidence.
You know its gonna be good when in the same sentence someone says they use the scientific method and then refer to their senses as "god given"
THANK YOU!!!!
@@OmniphonProductionsAMEN!!😅
@@chartranddave😂Love the irony! LOL
I bet Howard never paid off on his challenge because he rejected every claim by saying “nuh-uh.”
Yep
Exactly, easy to do when he has vauge conditions and he's the only judge.
Of course I doubt that very many people ever thought that he would ever pay up. Flat-earthers are notorious for issuing challenges they never had the intention and/or the means to reward a winner for. This one is already known to be either lying or delusional among the flat-earth debunkers.
Like Kent Hovind.
So many people want to "argue" or "debate" things, when what they really need is a proper lecture about them.
and put down the buybull. The buybull and christianity is the prime driver behind flat earth bullsh*t.
I was here for this call live and honestly, it was embarrassing to listen to as an Englishman. Our education system is better than this. He must have been taught real things, and then his broken brain just went "NOPE - LET'S GET RID OF THAT".
There are a variety of factors which could have affected his thought process. This is not exclusive to his brain going broke.
He's a religious flat earther that thinks he's smarter than everyone else, probably a narcissist too by the sound of it, most of them are.
@@Jeff-sr6fxyeah religion.
As a welshman firstly i thought tf he's not welsh then i thought poor england some village has lost their idiot. Lol
Fortunately for us, he isn't representative of English education. It really would be fascinating to get his life story though, to see where and when it was that he veered into Flat Earth ideology, 'cause I really don't know how it is that people end up there.
I know for some it comes from familial pressure - for example our English compatriot and atheist UA-camr Emma Thorne has discussed her upbringing under the influence of her conspiracy theorist father and done videos about the sorts of things she believed before being convinced otherwise. And I also know that once a person has embraced one conspiracy theory, they tend to have to embrace others either to justify the initial belief or because the alternative cannot be justified when holding that initial belief; for instance, most Flat Earthers are going to be Moon Landing Hoaxers too because otherwise they would have to accept that the Earth has been seen from space. And then they need to believe in a global government conspiracy, and then they need to determine a motive, and so it isn't difficult to see the path that they take from "I can see the Isle of Man from Blackpool" to "the sciences are a satanic global conspiracy".
I suspect that though most roads lead to the same mass-conspiracy conclusion, the origins of each conspiracy theorist are different. And I don't think it's difficult to see the urge to believe something fantastical - we do it all of the time when we watch movies. The flaw is in... well, it was exactly what this caller demonstrated repeatedly: confirmation bias; they accept one erroneous belief, then another and another, and they wind up with what they believe is this complex model of the world that's harder to shake than the original idea because it's chock-full of ad hoc rationalisation.
Folding Ideas did a great video on this - it's called "In Search of a Flat Earth". It starts by exploring the Flat Earth belief, but in the later part of the video also explores the other conspiracy theories embraced by that community and how they weave together into this self-justifying monolithic belief.
...but I'm waffling. It just truly would be fascinating to know where and when these beliefs started for people, because I'm not surprised at how they end up where they do, but knowing what started them down that path would be interesting.
"No one was able to show me evidence" They showed you plenty of evidence, you just refused to accept it!
it goes both ways. its based on how you perceive the world. for a flat earther they give you evidence and you reject it and vise versa. they both think they already have the truth. that goes same thing to atheism and theism. all of the people have their own criteria of what makes an evidence and their logic and reason is what it comes down to.
@@conspiracy1914 No it doesn't go both ways! The truth is the truth, and there is only one reality we all live in, you cannot have your own! Some people perceive the world to be flat and that "THEY" are trying to kill us all, and faking us out with "Science", and yet not one of them can show any evidence for it, just like no one has ever shown any viable evidence for their god!
You are missing one major component: TRUE JUSTIFIED BELIEF people can believe whatever they f they want to and all too often do, and you are right in saying "all of the people have their own criteria of what makes an evidence and their logic and reason is what it comes down to", but it cannot make them right just because, and the ones who are right are right and the ones who are wrong are wrong! Bad standards of evidence are bad and lead to false conclusions! It's worse though with some, like Howard here, because he does have all of the great evidence at his fingertips, but he is rejecting it outright because it doesn't comport with his preferred fantasy! Anyone who understands why he is wrong and that the earth is a sphere, has true justified belief they are right, Howard's belief is not justified, nor even justifiable!
The difference is how people come to truth which dictates who will ultimately have it, and "Both think they have the truth" is a terrible way of saying it, because only one side has good reason to reject the other side, and so it is not an even playing field. IOW: You don't hold a gun to your head because you think it's not loaded, but when You have more than sufficient evidence it really isn't, and even then it's a bad idea, as some moron may try the same based on shit evidence after seeing you do it!
Howard has been doing this for years now, and belongs in a mental institution, it's that bad!
@@conspiracy1914i didnt hear a single piece of evidence from Coward... i mean howard
@@jasmijnariel its a debate. also didnt listen to it fully.
@@conspiracy1914 a debate where he said "i have evidence, wich i discovered by doing science myself"
And we are still waiting for that one
Dude mentions the red bull skydive. You can literally see the earth curving.
"The higher we go the further we can see."
YES. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS ON A GLOBE. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS ON A FLAT PLANE.
It appears that Howard doesn't understand the meaning of some of the words he uses, such as 'empirical' and 'evidence'.
Howard tells us that people laugh at him. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have asked himself why that happens.
He also doesn't understand "scientific theory", and probably even "science" XD
He thinks his random observations are "doing science" and wild the conclusions from those are reasonable. smh
As you well know I'm a theist. _I_ laugh at him.
@@Not_Nyx864 Exactly. Unfortunately, many theists have the same issue.
@@nealjroberts4050 Why do you laugh at him?
"Yeah, I use the scientific method"
(Proceeds to spout the most consecutive and conspiratorial assertions I've ever heard)
wild that the earth is flat but all other planets are round
I am literally confused by this guy's arguments and equally astounded by your patience with him...
Jumped from god, to flat earth, to conspiracy, to large generalisations and everything in between. That guy was impossible to follow
"I am not a flat earther. I am a globe skeptic."
A globe skeptic, not an oblique spheroid, not flat, whatever that looks like, I wonder what shape he’d prefer? Maybe it isn’t fixed and the Earth’s geometry is still evolving?
@@johnellis1567 Nah, he *does* think it's "flat", he just took the word "flat" when Forrest/Armin said it to mean "two dimensional" and then ranted about how he doesn't think it's two dimensional. He thinks it's a short cylinder, which everyone else in the world except this clown knows is what people mean by "flat Earth". He's just an absolute moron in every way.
Howard keeps saying "IF" this and "IF" that. That is not evidence. Simply his assumptions.
Always with the "ifs".
I'm from the uk some village must be so happy they lost their idiot.
Exactly! To paraphrase Occam's Razor, the goal should be to reach conclusions that rely on as few _assumptions_ as possible. His entire position is a stack of assumptions.
To the caller, explain:
1. Tides
2. Timezones
3. Why you can’t see the north star south of the equator
4. How we predict and track hurricanes if the satellite photos are fake.
5. Why artillery needs to adjust for the Coriolis effect.
6. Seasons
7. The phases of the moon.
8. Why ships disappear bottom first over the horizon.
9. How a sextant could possibly work on a flat earth.
10. Why all the stars appear to rotate around the north
star north of the equator, but they all rotate the opposite direction around the southern bald spot south of the equator.
11. Why can you calculate the time it takes a Foucault pendulum to complete a circle knowing only your latitude?
12. Even high school students have duplicated the Cavendish experiment, how is that possible on a flat earth? If mass attracts mass, “down” must be toward the center of the earth. That would be exciting on a flat earth.
13. solar eclipses.
14. Lunar eclipses.
15. Why is the angle of the North Star/Southern bald spot related to your latitude?
This list is in no particular order, made off the cuff and typed on a tiny device. So kindly focus on the concepts and not the typos.
That's easy. You believe all of that propaganda.
You would need to explain all these points and a lot more just to equal the globe theory and then you would need to predict something the globe model can't for the flat earth to beat it. Flat earthers don't grasp the amount of evidence and predictions we can muster for the globe.
Dude wasn't using the Scientific Method... he was using the American Idol Method!!!😂😂😂😂
Nice to hear Howard is branching out to other places to continue his nonsense since McToon, FTFE and countless others have smashed him apart 😂
Soon as I heard the name, I rolled my eyes cuz I had a feeling I knew who it was going to be lol
Oh my that howard?! Flat rear turd? 😂
Immediately knew it once he got to the script
@@HIIIBEARI did not pay attention to the name, but his voice made me suspicious.
He has a chin beard like Iron Horse (formely known as FEAJ).Obviously, when their brains explodes their skull was so fact-hardened that the blast went all downwards and now nerve strands are dangling from their chins.
And all that is left in their head is a vacuum, an empty flat plane with a firmament bone dome over it.
Sci man dan rips this guy apart every time I've seen.😅
"Oh no, I'm not saying all scientists lie"
Except that the globe has to be true for every aeronautical science, especially space related stuff. He HAS to believe that there's the biggest conspiracy ever.
It also has to be accounted for in ALL telecommunications applications, so he would need to technically provide proofs and implementation guidelines for telecoms WITHOUT the earth's curvature accounted for
Science points directly to God. That said, I've been proving God for 50 yrs. To be as brief as possible. We are DYING/losing information/decaying in disorder over time toward our heat death end/going from bad to worse; thus, nothing in this world can produce new information/new anatomy/evolution/gain of complexity; thus, existence requires a NON-DYING CAUSE (God) to produce your initial information, before it started to dissipate.
Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you're debunked.
Not to mention why point-to-point radio communication across land always has a range limit, even when involving radio towers and/or mountain-peak stations.
On a flat Earth, this should be impossible: there should be perfect line-of-sight radio communication from any point on the Earth to any other, unobstructed point.
In reality, the curvature of our spherical Earth always puts an ultimate limit on how far radio signals can be transmitted & received before the planetary mass of the Earth itself blocks them (unless we rely on ham radio techniques such as exploiting the sunspot cycle).
@@zenkim6709 Yeah, but I heard roundabout unscientific attempts at explaining that with something like absurdly powerful atmospheric deviation of waves, light and radio. It would be the same explaination as to why the Sun goes down the horizon maintaining the same size instead of going far away while staying on top of the flat Earth. Its light just gets pushed down to the ground after a certain distance, and radio waves would be affected by that too.
You can't ride a radio wave like you ride an aircraft, so radio scientists could be honestly mistaken, while everyone that ever reached the outer parts of the atmosphere and beyond HAS to be lying to give validity to this crazy conspiracy theory.
Either that, or he never even thought this thoroughly about this XD
Its so funny that this conversation is supposed to be a serious discussion and not some kind of skit 😂
Did you notice:
1. That the earth is travelling at 66,620 mph, but to get to "666", it has to be given in _"hundred_ mph" - which isn't a way that mph is EVER given.
2. In order to get the 666, he NECESSARILY requires that the earth is orbiting the sun... But that's not how he later described the sun working in his Flerfer "model".
Yeah, that's weird. I didn't pick up on that. That's a contradiction so extreme that it's hard to imagine the most delusional person tolerating it. When he was talking about accounting for the shadow angles when Eratosthenes was measuring the circumference of the earth, he was a using the supposition that the sun was close to the earth.
@@donnievance1942 exactly. And yet, earlier, the earth was wizzing around the sun at a speed that somehow meant we were worshipping Helios. Ummm... wot?
@@donnievance1942 admittedly, he was correct about that very specific experiment by Eratosthenes - either a round earth with the sun very far away, or a flat earth with a nearby sun could explain the observation. What Flerfers CAN'T do is explain the rest of the observations!
Try to get one to produce a flat map that accurately shows the distance between cities that are in a general East-West alignment, for cities in the equator and at high and low latitudes. 🤯
🤣🤣
For point 2, I think what he said is that the 666 thing was just an internal critique. He doesn't actually believe that's the real value of anything, but he does think (somewhat incorrectly as the hosts explained) that's the number given by round-earthers. He just wanted to show that in that model 6 could also be considered a special number... for some reason?? I'm seriously confused about what he was trying to say, holistically. He used the omnipresence of the number 7 as an argument for god and everything, and the rebuttal was "that's just selection bias, 7 isn't any more special than 6 for example" and... it sounded like he was agreeing?? Like "yea you're right, for example in your model we see 6 a lot here and there"... but then that just proves that 7 isn't special? and his argument was wrong?? Or was it supposed to be a hypocrisy thing, like "O-oh w-well in YOUR model you ALSO have a special number, and it's six, heh!" Except that's insane. But tbf Howard IS insane, so that might be within expectation.
@@ilonachan It's almost as if his consciousness is being fed information from a hundred different sources located deep within his Id.
This of course is not a problem as his Id has assured him with a feeling so sublime that he intuitively knows that they are all irrefutable truths no matter what, even if they contradict each other.
As an English person, I'm deeply embarrassed that this bloke is a fellow countryman.
We're working hard at weeding out these people, and it is slowly working.
I must admit I don’t think I’ve ever met a nutter like Howard and I too live in England . But they walk amongst us , apparently . He is insane .
Sounds like Blackpool might be a factor, which fits everything I've heard of Blackpool.
I can only imagine it's why he's living in Spain. Nobody back home wants him around...
@solomonverrico it's more like his sister is his mother type deal.
Wouldn't be surprised if he had 6 fingers on each hand and a tail.
He did say that he was living in Spain so maybe already kicked out
The thing is, you could prove that earth if flat, 6,000 years old, and that evolution doesn't happen. You've still done basically NOTHING to prove that your highly specific version of God exists or that anybody should be living their lives according to your highly specific interpretation of some old book.
Exactly I don’t get why god believers think this.
Weird how He can't prove his GOD or his Flat Earth but he keeps the faith.
I've been proving God for 50 yrs. To be as brief as possible. We are DYING/losing information/decaying in disorder over time toward our heat death end/going from bad to worse; thus, nothing in this world can produce new information/new anatomy/evolution/gain of complexity; thus, existence requires a NON-DYING CAUSE (God) to produce your initial information, before it started to dissipate.
Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you're debunked.
@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh Yeah I Can prove no GOD is active in stopping or preventing evil.
Meanwhile your GOD allows you to make foolish posts in blind FAITH.
I actually remember this guys facebook posts way back. He was indeed ridiculed for his ideas and he went semi viral.
what was the post even? seriously. He never even said what the people are supposed to disproove.
Brandolini's Law states "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it."
Thank you, Armin and Forrest, for expending this inordinate amount of energy.
"The whole of Spain saw it"
Dude, who are you? For you it was the biggest moment of your life, for the local tv station it was another crazy brit, we have too many.
'Miracle of Fatima' . An incident in Spain in the early part of the last century.
Damn man you hit him with THE bison quote
@@1414141x and? It's still just *a claim* that however many people supposedly saw it, saw it.
@@1414141xWell it was a small town in Portugal actually but this is an American show😂
Forrest, your ability to just say they are full of shit. To not loose your mind on the stupidity. You guys are good.
@@het53 Nope, it still works.
Dont worry, at least you didnt commit the stupidity of using trying to pull an ad hominem with the gramatical error.
bro if your biggest problem is someones elses grammar i envy you also hows is mine grammar lookings
@@het53
LOW, VERY LOW.
@@het53ad hom me thinks😂😂😂
@@het53 this coming from the guy who thinks that because atheists believe some things, then it follows that "atheism is a belief".
Howard is a flat earther who is too cowardly to admit to being a flat earther.
Yup im seen this loon try and debate to
Seems to me he doesn’t like “flat earth” even as a colloquial term, as if it implies he believes in some kind of 2D world. Seems that “globe sceptic” is how he identifies. Equally nonsensical.
@NeutralMjolkHotel he just doesn't want to admit it now cuz he has been him ridiculed and humiliated time and time again over that
@@NeutralMjolkHotel Gotta say it's a whole new "level" of insanity if these nutters honestly think "flat earthers" and "globe skeptics" are different things. They both use the same arguments, almost as if they're reading off the same list.
But yeah, it's more likely they decided on identifying as something different, since the old identifier brings so much mockery with it, like how when anti-vaxxers tried to re-identify...
Its amazing how Armin and Forrest are patiently agreeing to discuss with this person calling and making absolutely ridiculous claims.
I'll be honest. I could not do it.
Hopefully this caller is not in a position of authority over young people and does not breed any progeny!
I’m of mixed minds. On one hand it’s a powerful demonstration of their character. On the other I question the value of legitimizing this drivel with civility and the veneer of debate.
I don’t want to live in a world where everything is up for debate in the market place of ideas. There needs to be a certain baseline of things we just aren’t open to discussion on. Ethnostates, eugenics, and flat earth are all ideas that have had their time and need to be given the old Yeller treatment. I just don’t see any value in polite engagement with people on this sort of topic when the proponents of these ideas are invariably bad faith and dishonest or entirely incapable of a rational discussion.
@@munchkingod6
One of those things is not like the others. One of those things just doesn't belong. Can you tell which thing is not like the others, before I finish my song?
@@TheBrothergreen I mean obviously they’re not on their face morally equivalent. But they are equally stupid, and the people who support those ideas today use the same tactics and are of comparable caliber. And there IS a substantial connection.
Flat Earth isn’t harmless. It’s a gateway to conspiratorial thinking and often to white nationalism and other violent repulsive ideologies. In order to espouse flat earth you must adopt a worldview that is primed for anti-rational thinking. You must reject intellectualism and the entire body of modern science.
There’s a reason we see so many people go Flat Earth to Antivax to QAnon to Nazi. The worldviews are deeply resonant.
“Reality is not defined by the white keys on a piano.” Fire.
You have to understand that for Howard, a discussion like this is gold. Pure gold. At least as far as his FLERF community goes. They are going to dissect everything you said and exploit any perceived weakness they find. They will use this as fuel to further their prominence on wtvr platform they work from.
The whole idea is that it makes them feel special that "they" understand and the rest of the world does not.
I don't think Howard really gives a crap about god, that was just his way into your show.
He doesn’t “care” about anything other than his desperate need for constant attention. He couldn’t give us the evidence he claimed we were ignoring and instead said we have to believe whatever he says because he’s the only honest person in the world.
@@DefendUrPolicyDontScapegoatLie "he’s the only honest person in the world."
Him and other flat earthers. At least the ones he agrees with. They have so many versions of this crap that FLERFERs themselves don't agree on what a "flat earth" is or means.
At least we have consensus.
@@ngcastronerd4791 I remember when the ice wall was the thing they said contains the oceans. Then later they said “no one EVER said an ice wall surrounds the planet”. They can’t decide which map has the right position of continents.
One of the most unhinged guys to ever apear on this show yet
There's a guy who literally thinks that a seven day week is the definitive proof of God. But then this guy believes that rocks are petrified hearts. So... tomato, tomahto?
@@queuecee Well, "One of the most" allows for multiple examples of such "unhinged guys". ;-)
"You can only see 7 celestial bodies with the naked eye."
*Thousands of stars, and the Milky Way itself, raise their hands.*
"Nobody has shown curvature"
*MAGE II has entered the conversation*
As a greek myself, i feel very proud of Eratosthenes ' genius ❤
Hate to break your bubble, but he was born in Libya
@@GrimOakheart and made his discoveries in Greece. Whats ur point
@@Magnusfication Is the place where the discoveries were made actually relevant? You asked for the other person's point, but you clearly lack a point yourself.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 grim first has to demonstrate that the place of birth is relevant to whether or not the OP should feel pride. Me stating that he lived in Greece when he made his discoveries and asking what his point was with the birth comment was exactly my point.
@@Magnusfication If Erasthotenes was born in Libya, then he was not Greek. Therefore, it is unclear on what basis the O.P. being Greek relates to pride for Erasthotenes' discovery.
"I had my challenge up for three years, and only two people tried submitting evidence! And one of them used Photoshopped images!"
A: How did you determine those images were Photoshopped?
B: What did the other one submit?
This is the issue with all the conspiracy theorists who CLAIM to put their money where their mouth is. If you ever want to actually SEE that money, you need to break their worldview, not just clear their challenge. Because anything that clears their challenge, they will find some way to declare invalid. That's why so few people bother attempting these challenges, because they know that even when they succeed, they won't get the credit, and the challenger will continue to believe their crazy theories. It's not worth trying. Anyone who is seriously open to learning how they're wrong doesn't bet large sums of money on being right. Not unless the wager is rigged in their favor.
I once had a discussion with someone that I would say is about as well informed and together as this caller. When I brought up the need for empirical evidence, they argued that what the British crown mandated didn't affect reality. I realized he thought empirical meant imperial. So well informed these types....
As a LOTR fan I love Forrest's comparisons.
Yes, but Baradur belong to the dwarves, Mordor belongs to Sauron. Big mistake.
Howard claims to do scientific experiments. His 'cold Moonlight' experiment is hilarious.
His 10K euro challenge is invalid because he himself is the judge of what is or isn't acceptable as evidence.
He's never come across a conspiracy theory he won't subscribe to.
I would take him up on his challenge if he would pre-pay my travel expenses, post a bond covering the payout, sign a contractual agreement specifying the actual observational predictions that define the criteria for success or failure, and agree to the cooperative choosing of a panel to judge the results who would have the legal power to release the money. You would need a bay of an appropriate size, with a sea cliff on the target side, a good telescope with appropriate power and resolution, and some kind of arrangement for lowering a large, white target (maybe 5 meters X 5 meters) down the cliff face until it appeared to touch the water as observed from the opposite shore, coordinated by a cell phone connection, of course. It would be an easy 10,000 pounds, especially since he says he would allow only half the measurement predicted by earth's curvature. Meeting all these requirements would cost him a lot more than 10,000 pounds of course, so it would never happen.
Feel like Howards science experiments involve a lot of Sudafed
There’s not seven music notes, there aren’t seven colours, there aren’t seven planets. It’s absurd how wrong this guy is on everything.
Forrest and Armin. You guys rock. I love that you so patient great show it's so good to see positive energy it would so easy to rip these guys apart
From the day the first boat was put in the water, sailed out to sea and returned to shore, people have known the earth is round. What's the first thing you see when scanning the horizon for a sailboat?
*The tip of the mast!* (okay, and floating beer cans)
Howard, dear, you need to get out on the water more. Take a sixer, sunblock, and binoculars. Go out to where you cannot see land, enjoy the water and the silence, feed the fish, throw fries to the seagulls, and when that gets boring head back to shore.
On your way in, use the binocs and search the horizon. What's the first thing you see? It's either going to be the top of the marina flagpole or the "penthouse" suite in a luxury beachfront highrise.
I'm sorry, Howard, but the curvature of the earth does not lie.
Pirates used this fact to scout out islands. Position the ship so it's hidden by the horizon and then use a spyglass from the crow's nest. They could see the island and any fortifications but anyone on the island would have a hard time seeing them.
@@cameroncimmerius1203 correct and they loved it, because they knew religious zealots thought they fell off the edge baha
_"But, but, but... DIFFRACTION!"_
Anyone who spent a lifetime sailing the oceans is not uncertain of the shape of the earth.
@@dragonhealer7588 or anyone who had been to a beach...
SciManDan is still waiting for one of these flat earthers to give him the money they offered in exchange for evidence for the heliocentric model.
And MC Toon has a $10k prize for any Flat Earther how can find a location using celestial navigation ONLY using "flat earth" maths. Been open for other a year now with no takers.
All these Flerth challenges by people like Howard and Dave Weiss are bullshit challenges.
I seem to remember Sleeping Warrior betting £1,000 there should be a lunar eclipse once every month if the Earth was a globe. Of course, he never paid up.
@@HellbellyUK You can't win an argument against religious conviction.
SciManDan is one of the laziest flat earth debunkers ever.
@@G3NK5T42how much effort do you expect people to put into disproving something that takes very little effort to disprove?
We need people like Howard, how else can I feel good that I'm not crazy?
There are infinite colors in a rainbow, we just drew seven lines and called each space a color.
IMAGINE the mnemonic required to remember infinite colors. Roy G Biv is spinning in his disco grave.
@@RozzieBass nah man had to be 7 lines or the colours would leak out
The divisions are not as arbitrary as you think. They are based on the absorption characteristics of the several pigments that characterize the different color reception cell types in the retina. When you look at a rainbow, you see distinct bands, even though the actual change in light frequency is a continuous transition across the width of the rainbow. This is a perceptual artifact arising from the nature of eye.
@@donnievance1942 not arbitrary, I know, but still human-made. Similar to "notes" distinguishing amidst the frequency range that could be divided any number of ways, it seems we've set it based on what sounds good to the human ear. And the rainbow is labeled based on the human eye's receptors. I love this stuff. Nature, reality, is analog and fuzzy, but we like to categorize in distinct units. And it's useful to do so. But then some go and think those discrete definitions are real, or divinely set.
They're seven because Newton considered seven a mystical number when doing his prism experiments.
Before that rainbows were usually represented as 3 colours!
I can see a lighthouse from my window, therefore God. Solid.
This is the heart-shaped stone guy, and I recognized him the moment he started talking.
I thought he was wrong until he pointed out that a rainbow has seven colors and there are seven notes. That was a deal breaker!
I’m sure both those ideas are rock solid and not subjective human opinions.
Oh, shit Forrest just brought that up…. Nevermind…
Everytime I eat Skittles, I feel God's presence... or maybe it's just a sugar rush.
There are only six colors in the rainbow. Newton insisted on seven for numerological reasons.
@@diogeneslamp8004There's countless colors in a rainbow, since it's a spectrum whose delineations are mostly arbitrary.
@@diogeneslamp8004a rainbow has infinite colors
@@lnsflare1
That’s fair.
It’s so easy to put up money that you have no intention of paying out.
I was half-expecting someone to say "7. Minute. Abs."😂
7up. Proof of God. Who knew?
I flew from Auckland to Wellington (New Zealadn on a perfect summers day yesterday (11th jan 2024) and took some wonderful pics of the blue ocean, and the very observable curve of the horizon.
I believe in science: Then proceeds to say one crazy thing after another.
Never stopped jumping from bullshit to even more bullshit
Howard has never observed a boat disappear below the horizon?
For someone who "put his 🤑" How much do we have to pay to get him to give us evidence of God?
Dear Spain, please keep Howard. Kind regards, England xx
😂😂😂
In fact... we still have the warranty, can you have it back please? 🤣🤣
This guys literal argument....his ACTUAL fucking argument is.
"I can see ibiza....therefore God".
Howard just wants a media to preach on, he didn't bother listening.
Nitpick: It's medium. The singular form of media is medium. The news media are a collective pile of this medium and that. Not to imply "Middle" but "a general way/means of". Film is a medium of storytelling. A newspaper is a medium of delivering current events. Currency is a medium of exchange.
Like I said, it's a nitpick, but now you know. A pleasant evening to you. :)
One of the first questions in Physical Chemistry at Harvey Mudd when I was there was:
Given the Ideal Gas Law, prove the sky is blue.
Hint: It isn't made of water.
I mean, he was on Spanish Television, that's gotta count for something, there are scientists in Spain who watch TV.
" I don't think they are lying! I don't think anyone is lying!!! it's not a conspiracy!!!"
Goes on to explain what he thinks they are doing which includes a describe of lying and of a conspiracy
At the 14 minute point, Forrest looks like he's wondering why he has to debunk a flat Earth nutter. Haha
A basic search of any tourist site will say you can only see the isle of man from the north promenade in Blackpool because it's elevated. 😅
Quoting the late Bob Knodel: 'A fifteen degrees per hour drift'. A flat earther proved the earth is round.
Im glad Arim asked the thing I always wonder when someone is so far into a delusion- why they think there are millions conducting the greatest conspiracy in history? His answer was similarly crazy but at least we know 😉.....Fact he was well aware, that on multiple occasions “ everyone was laughing at me...,” was in itself very amusing 😂.
27:20 "you can find 6s all over the globe" 😂😂😂😂
You got me there 😂😂😂😂
Seven dwarfs in Snow White and seven rings of power for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone. Mind Blown!
Concerning the musical notes, frequencies were assigned letters by people rather than something discovered in nature. I once had a discussion where told a religious guy that a day was one rotation of the earth and he told me that the way we have days is that it is 24 hours. They think that concepts take precedence over reality.
And seven minute abs!
Dear me. I truly admire your patience guys.
It’s a bit frustrating. People have a conclusion and then look for evidence to support that conclusion, regardless of the actual evidence they come across
Forrest has inspired me to go back to college to study biology…Plant Science to be specific…
good luck with your studies
that is amazing!
The scientific field of Flora is a very broad field. After a couple generalized courses you should consider specializing in a particular field within the field, ex mycology the study of fungi. 💁♂️
Just use that $10,000.00 to go on vacation across the equator and look at the night sky, where the stars will be different and rotating in the opposite direction and the face of the moon will be flipped upside down, which wouldn't happen on a disk but would be completely expected on a spheroid.
Or go on a trip westwards . California is west of New York, China is west of California, India is west of China, Egypt is west of India, Spain is west of Egypt, New York is West of Spain. Perfectly mundane on a globe, completely impossible on a disk.
@@lnsflare1 Wrong. On their flat earth model with the north pole at the center, going west is following a huge circle around the pole which they allow could be undertaken by following a compass bearing, giving the same observational result as what you're suggesting. The only way to prove your point would be to follow a series of straight-line sightings, checked with back sights, using a theodolite, which would be impossible crossing the ocean, because there would be nothing to take a sight on.
You're right, however, about the moon and star observations.
Howard was on Modern day debate against Gutsick Gibbon and Reason 2 Doubt talking about heart shaped stones being actual fossilized hearts.
It's incredible that he's offered so much money for arguements that have been put out for years for free...
There is no way that he would ever pay out. This is typical behaviour of some flat-earther/science deniers, they offer a challenge with a substantial reward for providing evidence of x, y, or z, and then refuse to accept any evidence as valid because it conflicts with whatever they have already decided is the truth.
Maybe he thinks “empirical evidence” is the writings of an Age of Empires fanfic novel.
Wow. WOW! Reasonable sounding voice comes on and bluntly states insane things. I've heard everything
If Howard stood on the left coast in England and had a telescope, could he see someone on US's east coast waving at him?
On the left coast? I assume you mean the west.
@@digbycrankshaft7572 lolol. No. It's a US expression.....the left coast. (Have used it for decades)
The Red Bull skydiver video shows quite clearly that the earth is round. The horizon he spoke of is clearly curved.
The red bull video is using a very wide angle lens, so it's not possible to use it to say anything about the curvature. However, there are MANY videos, including amateur videos from high altitude balloons, that specifically use rectilinear lenses with no distortion which definitively show that there's a curve. If the flat earthers had any know-how, they could easily repeat these experiments.
But for some reason, they don't...🤔
FE will claim the photo is edited/faked or a trick of the devil.
The red bull video doesn't prove anything because of the lenses used. Curvature as well as horizon falling below "eye level" can be easily shown with simple experiments performed with home-made items and climbing a small mountain, preferrably next to the sea.
@@mathiasrryba Perhaps using a homemade quadrant to sight level and observe that the distant horizon appears to fall below level? What these bozo flerfers don't grasp is that if the earth was flat, there would be no distinct horizon at all when the sea was observed from any height. The sea would just fade out at greater and greater distances until it was lost in the increasing atmospheric interference. At the level line there would be a transition zone where it was impossible to separate the sea from the sky.
I am from England and can confirm the earth is not round, I can see a hindu temple in the distance which is clearly in India, the ISS is actually a pac man character it goes across then appears instantly at the other side. Being of Norse descent I know there are the the 9 realms in the branches of ygddrasil so science has made a very expensive series of mistakes and needs to start again!
- What is your eveidence for a spherical Earth?
- Sunset
that could happen on a flat disc, too. The Sun flies half a circle above the disc, then half a circle under it. But yes, we use the globe model to predict sunsets whenever wherever we want to, and it always works.
I cannot even hope for 1 viable prediction from flat Earthers.
Every sunset in one part of the globe is a sunrise in another part.
He learned the language of science to pretend that he is doing science.
Actually, what was the most annoying aspect of this phone call is that he called with a religious implication about his pseudoscience, and no matter how many times you told him “We don’t care if you think the Earth is flat because it in no way proves God” he still kept going on and on about how the earth was flat. As much as you wanted to steer him away from using the shape of the earth as some sort of evidence for God, he kept just going back to the shape of the Earth. Absolutely bizarre!
On the plus side, it’s certainly not difficult to understand why everyone laughs at him.
The dunning Kruger effect is strong with this one.
For “not a flat earther” he sure disagrees that the planet is a globe.
Half the fun in this episode is watching Forrest's baffled face every time the caller is talking.
Howard: I am a strict adherant of the scientific method
Howard 30 minutes later: The scientific method is asking people on Facebook what they think
Hollywood wishes they could write a plot twist this good
This guy should run for office as a Republican.
Don't you think we have enough problems?!?
Why would you need one more conspiracy théorist in the GOP? They are already the majority
Careful, he could win.
@@Montaq_ just saying, he has all the qualifications.
He couldn’t possibly be any worse than what’s been done to this country the last 3 years…