the BIGGEST mistakes in music history - pt 2
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- Everyone experiences the pain of missed chances. But few can say they passed on opportunities, which would’ve led to phenomenal success and potential riches. This is especially true for those working in the cut-throat world of showbiz and particularly music.
Some of the world’s greatest superstars such as Beyonce, Britney and Taylor were all dropped or rejected by record companies as they struggled to break into the industry, in what must surely be some of the biggest mistakes ever made in music.
So what happened between Destiny’s Child and their first record label, to make them want to drop the young group? Why did Britney fail an audition with Sony executives in '97? And why did RCA records have the option to sign a fourteen year old Taylor Swift to a record deal but didn’t take it ? This mini-documentary explores these questions and more.
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Books I used for research in this video
* Becoming Beyonce - J Randy Taraborell amzn.to/3UKS2vG
* Inside the Dream - Steve Dennis amzn.to/3olE0od
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00:00 Introduction
00:58 Dropping Beyonce & Destiny’s Child
03:37 Rejecting Britney
06:23 Letting Taylor go
Don’t forget to check out my last video, which look at more of the biggest mistakes in music history • The biggest mistakes i...
***** Correction - Taylor has won the 'Grammy Album of Year' three times NOT twice as I mentioned in the video. Apologies
@@yeah79165 I definitely will at some point. Love Kylie 😀
@@yeah79165 I really liked 'Kiss me Once' - I think it's such a sold record.
And she did not deserve either!
When one door closes, another one opens. Every time they were told no, I think it became motivation to work even harder. I like learning about artists being rejected early in their careers. This was a great post 👍❤️
Thank you 😀
Britney is a worldwide popular pop star even before smartphone and internet era as well as social media. She is so popular in Asia, Europe and Australia, I believe some in Africa too.
yes I think that's important to mention. She did it before the digital era. People actually had to travel to record stores to get her music.
@@jonnyharvey and we did, many times over 🇦🇺🇦🇺
Britney is the reason why the "relatable pop star" was popular in the 2010s
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Nope..Taylor swift is totally different from Britney..
Dont discredit her Individuality to Britney..
No she was not lol. Britney was not relatable at all in the 00s.
There’s no pop girl that was bigger than Britney Spears. Taylor is the closest but Naw.
@@worldztune852 Lady Gaga? Madonna?
Epic Records passed on me too and now I actually feel like it was the best thing that could’ve happened… Also Michael Caplan just say you messed up bad, no one else could EVER be Britney
Oh I just listened to your music - I really like it, very good recording voice IMHO.
Yes I think his comments were really a case of sour grapes. I'd be bitter too.
People still be acting like Britney could've ever been replaced !!
Britney is irreplaceable. They just say that to make themselves feel better.
Ppl act like britney build herself. Her team is the one that deserves the legend status, she was a puppet
that man saying he doesnt regret not signing britney is the definition of copium. he is like "i'm looking for true talent..." no you are not, you are looking to make money and you realized you missed out on the biggest lottery. is mandy moore the true talent? lol
It must be a bitter pill to swallow - your job is to discover & nurture talent & he let Britney Spears slip through his fingers. I would be livid.
Britney is pop music royalty. A legend. The most influential woman in music, pop culture and entertainment since Madonna. So many women tried to become her and they all failed. That man who rejected her and thinks she's a puppet isn't very well educated. Britneys' most iconic videos, performances and artisty were HER ideas. That's why she's the success she is. He's bitter af. Also why does it cut off weirdly and jumps randomly into Taylor?
Because I made a mistake at that part - I said Taylor won the 'Best Album Grammy' twice (it was three times). UA-cam won't allow me to delete the video & re-upload it so I had to cut out that part (which is now very obvious & I'm kicking myself).
@jonnyharvey Ah ok, makes sense. Ty for explaining :)
This comment has dinner tables, grocery stores and food pantries across the globe extremely empty. It 🗣EATS!!!!
Britney is a legend.
Agreed 😀
Also Katy Perry being dropped by not one, not two, but THREE record labels
oh yes I've read about that.
4:54 and of course...that's Britney magic, she's a sweet genuine regular girl off the stage but then she turns into a monster when the lights are on.
That's why half of the planet fell in love with her.
What a lack of vision.
that's a good point. And a lot of people believe that's the true measure of a star. She comes to life, once she steps on stage & always kills it.
love your content! Tswift has won AOTY 3 times - folklore, 1989, and fearless!
Thanks - will go edit that now
Katy Perry, Kesha and Jennifer Lopez could have been added too, considering how hard they struggled, before exploding in the worldwide music industry.
people do just try to bring you down, no matter what your potential is, unfortunately.
Yes I really like them. Maybe in another video?
@@Honeycomblife that controversial side of her career doesn’t make her a terrible artist overall, especially considering it was more her label’s fault. it doesn’t change the fact she fought a lot, to be accepted and recognized for her work, as a latin woman in a world of sexism and racism.
but yeah, people will always focus on her earliest period in music’s gossip, than her noble battles.
Taylor has won the Grammy for Album of the Year 3 times, for Fearless, 1989 and Folklore.
In three different genres! Country, pop, folk.
@@RossBaby91I love Taylor to DEATH but u mean country-ish pop, pure pop and kind of folk-y pop c'mon gurl
Shit - thanks
@@TheFameDream-nb3ce I guess we can say it’s all pop, maybe 1989 would be synth pop. But they all had three distinctive sounds that stand out and show her versatility. She was marketed as a country singer in the beginning, decided to become a pop singer and took some time into isolation and worked with folk and indie musicians with folklore.
You are amazing thanks for these videos
Thank you 😀
Great Video, loved it.
Thank you 😀🙏
Another great clip. You are very consistent, love your work. Please would you consider doing one about Janet’s self titled album?
Thank you - I'd love to do more videos on Janet. I'm a really big fan. Will definitely be making more Janet videos in the future.
Love how you edit the video with interesting clips :)
Thanks
Understandable. They were young and their talents had not yet developed to where it could be marketable.
That is true. But they should still have been able to spot the potential.
I'm 40 years old and I've been a Britney fan since the beginning. I honestly believe that she never had anything that made her stand out from the average. We know her primarily as a "singer", however there isn't much she can do without post-producing her voice in the studio. The times that she sang live are the exceptions. I'm not saying she has a bad voice, but she just doesn't stand out from the average, and in the '90s almost any teenager with her presence and the Max Martin team behind could achieve what she did. She was just in the right place and time.
Her voice does stand out, she's not the most amazing vocalist like Whitney or Mariah, but her tone is unique and she evokes a lot of emotion into her singing and is very versatile, that's what makes Britney irreplaceable
@@alvarod9288 Well then, it would be great if she in ONE of the many videos she uploads, at least whispers a song with her unique and versatile tone that evokes many emotions, don't you think? But obviously if she doesn't do it, it's because singing isn't currently one of her interests.
@@MarcosFull …so what? she’s doesn’t owe music to anyone and that doesn’t take away the fact that she’s an icon with a unique voice that speaks to a lot of people, she’ll sing whenever she feels like doing it
@@alvarod9288 All that you wrote does not discredit in any way that she does not have any talent that stands out from the average. You will have noticed that her voice is easily imitated, and even the AI copies it perfectly
I have nothing against her, and I am very sorry for the state she is currently in, but being an icon, as you say, is not synonymous with great talent.
As I said before: at the end of the 90s, with her presence and Max Martin behind her, success was assured. She was simply a pretty girl in the right place at the right time.
Agreed
All phenomenal artists in their own right. Love all their music 😍🥰💖
Agreed
Michael Caplan, its okay to admit you f'ed up. Like hes trying to say that Britney's fame was an accident...you were just not so good in searching the next big thing as you thought.
Michael Caplan was the Sony/epic guy you turned down Britney. Steve Dennis is the guy who wrote ‘Inside a Dream’ the biography on Britney
@@jonnyharvey thank you for correcting me. I was just so mad at the audacity that I mixed them up XD
@@xanderx2523 oh it's fine, don't worry.His comments were quite bitchy. I went through his credits/CV -I couldn't find any big acts he's worked with
@@jonnyharvey hahahahahahah really? Being "old fashioned" hasn't worked out. I like your content btw. UA-cam algoritm took me to this vid and now im subscribed and on a binge just finished the Velvet rope overlooked vid and Kylie pop genius vid. "Madonna last great era" here I come XD
Jonny, what’s happened to your bloopers? I always look forward to seeing some at the end of your vids. They’re so cute. Please bring them back. 😊 (Unless you’ve become so skilled at this point you no longer have any.)
Hi Shawn- I stopped including them cause I want people to see the end card & click on another video. I thought people weren’t going to sit through the bloopers to get to the end card (I still have lots of blooper material, I don’t have an autocue so I still make lots of mistakes 😂)
@@jonnyharvey I’d happily sit through them, and have a feeling many of your other viewers would too…but it’s your channel of course. They were just a nice little extra after your always enjoyable music analyses. 😉
Simon Cowell recently revealed his biggest career regret was passing on Kylie Minogue
I read that - and he turned down the Spice Girls & Take That. Three of the biggest British music acts ever - he’s ducking clueless about talent & music. He has zero vision
@@jonnyharveyI mean Kylie is Australian but yeah he’s messed up a few times haha
@@RuuBjAh1 Kylie is a dual citizen with one parent from each country.
@@evandewind4264 oh wow cool I didn’t know that!
@@jonnyharvey Turning down the Spice Girls has gotta sting.
Thank god Taylor didn’t sign to rca, 1989 and rep wouldn’t have been as big as they were
Probably wouldn't have
I’ll have to find part 1, but if not included, part 3 should mention how Simon Cowell separately passed on ground-level opportunities to sign Kylie Minogue and the Spice Girls to his label before their debuts
Do you mean Simon Cowell?
@@jonnyharvey Cowell, yeah
Steve Dennis' comment 'right place right time' is so true. Even Beyonce.... it could have been a different label, a different time, a different publicity run.... and it could all have been different. Talent alone does not guarantee anything.
Those comments about Britney's complexion etc though.... wtf
Yes the comments about Britney's complexion were un-necessary. I mostly agree with you - but I think Beyonce would've ended up a superstar no matter who discovered her. She has superhuman determination & talent.
It’s pretty crazy, that now Britney is the basically the poorest female singer out of everyone in her status level. I do think at this stage, her career is basically over. Unless she gets emotionally better and takes singing lessons to mature and progress from that baby doll voice, I don’t see her coming back.
She's been through so much - she has nothing left to prove at this point.
@@jonnyharvey - True, though I didn’t infer she did, I meant from a standpoint of being on top again or even to provide an income stream.
She’s already a legend, instead Madonna she know that she left a lot of Impact and let it be as it is
They just threw them into the correct hands
That’s true - they ended with the right teams. But still it must rankle for the people who let them go
They were just not ready at the time. Wouldn't say they mistake. So much of this is all about timing.
I do agree with you- they found their right homes in the end. But nonetheless it was still a huge mistake on the part of people who turned them that, that they weren't able to recognise and develop these aspiring performer's talent and then launch them. But as you say they weren't the right people to do it.
So basically, the only biggest mistake in the music industry is turning down certain artists who would then go on to be very big with another record company.
I thought there'll be other mistakes like not hiring the right equipment or signing the wrong people.
No it’s not the only mistake but I think it’s a pretty big one
Kaplans comments are so wrong.... if really any girl at the right time and the right place could've achieved what Britney achieved they would done it by now. Britney is UNIQUE and arguably one of the biggest pop stars EVER
Britney is a bonefide pop phenomenon.❤️❤️❤️❤️
The best and a MEGA POP SUPERSTAR OF 00's
Taylor back in the day, although loaded with potential was practically tone deaf. I am not surprised she was passed on.
Oh I didn’t know that
@@jonnyharvey I am exaggerating a little but there are a lot of off key live performances when she was younger.
Honestly thank the heavens Taylor walked away from BMR bc seeing how the artists that are signed to them are doing they would have screwed her over so bad
I think I heard RCA have a reputation
You should include Shania Twain OK how old are you but you know how Shania Twain’s humble beginnings on how she sent so many demo tapes to freaking Nashville and got dropped so many times till she got a big are you and Olivia Newton-John how they said she wasn’t even good enough for the country scene
Oh I'll have to look into that. I want to read her autobiography soon. How old am I? 22 😂
I hope to see more Lady Gaga & Taylor Swift contents
Yep definitely working on more
Lady Gaga and Katy Perry both had albums scrapped.
I included Gaga in my last big mistakes video ua-cam.com/video/qy6b1SzGpl0/v-deo.html
Yeah they couldn't see Britney's type. She isnt a celine or Whitney (despite her singing that). She is a janet type. Dancing heavy performer. The total being greater than the sum of its parts.
Sounds like there's a lacuna at the start of the Taylor Swift segment. What happened?
yes I made a mistake there & if I delete the video, UA-cam systems wouldn't let me re-upload it with the mistake taken out. So I had to use the UA-cam studio editor instead. It's the first time it's happened to me & I've been making video for 15 months now, I was going to delete the video completely but decided to leave it up.
@@jonnyharvey A good decision, given the options. Thanks for your reply!
I would not call any of these examples mistakes. Things happen for people to learn, grow, change and end up where they're meant to be. Who's to tell if any of these people would have been successful if they weren't redirected.
Yes maybe they wouldn't have been as successful with other record labels, who knows what would've happened? But I think Beyonce would've been successful no matter what, that determination would win through in the end. Era- defining superstars do not come along every day. And when your job is to discover and nurture these talents, I definitely think it is a huge mistake. A&R people are known to lose their jobs over letting future stars go.
Britney at the time was molded in Europe as Billie Piper Copy .
I think she was a lot better than her. There was only a few months between them launching
I don’t think they were mistakes just wasn’t the right fit for either party at the time
I do understand where you're coming from but I do believe that on the side of the record companies they were huge mistakes. Era- defining superstars are not plentiful and to let them slip through your fingers I believe is a huge mistake. Especially when your job is to discover and sign talent. I read an interview recently with Gaga's A&R at Island (who let her go) and he lost his job over Gaga being dropped.
Thats the story they tell to add up drama……. Same old story 🤣🤣🤣🤣😎👻
How do you mean?
@@jonnyharvey Britney story
Chris Brown auditioned for P Diddy but Puffy wasn't impressed. In a way it might have been a blessing because PDiddy is a cut throat music executive,
Yeah I don’t think P Diddy was a great music man. Who exactly did he sign?
@@jonnyharveydanity kane, the failed pop group “Dream” and a bunch of others there’s a bunch of videos about his negligence
Never been a Taylor fan, sorry. And the fact that she's in a list between Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder is CRAZY! She's always been very Mid to me.
She's had phenomenal commercial & critical success.
yikesss
Agreed, just has great marketing
I guess Kaplan was looking for an artist that could really sing (e.g. Christina Aguilera) and Britney was just not that. Still, Britney made record labels a lot of money and they’re known to prioritize money and looks over talent anyway so it’s strange that they passed on her.
Britney made a lot of people very rich; especially at Jive. I think Britney found the right partners with Jive. I doubt Epic had the same understanding of teen pop and might not have paired her with Max Martin.
How was Britney not that? Have u seen videos of her singing at that age? Even when she was 10 years old, she blew everyone away. That's why she went the "baby voice" way, because her voice was too similar to Christina's.
“could really sing”? …Hmph….Her debut single, off the strength of that um “non-singing voice” y’all claim she has, sold 10+ million copies alone and has yet to be topped by any artist after her…Not to mention that her debut album, by the same name, had the Kentwood-Louisiana-nerve to garner 25+ million copies and ALSO…has yet to be topped (no one ever will…Ever.) And please don’t bring digital sales into a physical copies conversation. People had to perform real, actual, full-bodied, traveling, physical labor to get a Britney album. No record label could BUY that then and especially not now. Raw, unmatched, incomparable talent can though… 🤷🏾♂️😏
Don’t know why Britney fans are getting defensive here. Kaplan’s own words were that Britney sang a Whitney Houston song and it was off-key and not good. I’ll take his word over some overly-defensive stans.
@@user-ok9my2ih7e🙄🤦🏾♂️… “….executives from Jive Records returned calls to Rudolph. Senior vice president of A&R Jeff Fenster said about Spears's audition that "it's very rare to hear someone that age who can deliver emotional content and commercial appeal ... For any artist, the motivation-the 'eye of the tiger'-is extremely important. And Britney had that." Spears sang Houston's "I Have Nothing" (1992) for the executives, and was subsequently signed to the label.” - 👈🏾…THAT’s why… because people choose fake news and lies ‘cause it’s more entertaining than the FACTS. And because she gets discredited and shat on SO much when she is who she is for Popular culture at large. I’ll happily be called a “defensive stan” if it means telling the truth. **See: Wikipedia.
Highest grossing tour*
I said highest grossing female tour didn’t I?
@@jonnyharvey yeah, but her tour is predicted to gross 1.4 billion. Even if she does 70% of that, it will be the highest grossing tour by any artist. Appreciate your hardwork though.
@@nileverdeen3797 oh I didn't read that. I read in Billboard it would be the highest grossing tour by a female artist. But thanks for sharing
2:48 Kelly's career was terribly managed. She was over sexualised at that point.
The earlier 2002 image was better.
Kelly Rowland?
@@jonnyharvey
Yeah. Her first album and how she was marketed with a more wholesome image.
I disagree with their charts of the greatest all-time singers chart & feel.. Michael Jackson was the greatest all-time singer bc had the whole package!!♥️🤍💙
Are you a Lana Del Rey fan/listener?
Kind of - I loved her first record but then I listened to an anti-Gaga song she had written & stopped paying attention.
@@jonnyharvey oop 👀🤪
@@jonnyharveyyou need to listen to Ultraviolence and NFR
U forgot Gaga!
Lot of overhyped fluff. Having that many Grammys does not mean you are good, just popular.
A lot of ‘popular’ people don’t have many/any Grammys.
Well having a bunch or records sold doesn’t meant you’re good either so I don’t know what you’re trying to say.
Lmao epic records waiting for one hell of a voice and passed on Britney and then signed a teen Mandy Moore whose was not great vocally at the time 😐
Britney isn't bigger than Beyonce these days.... Just saying.
Yep I know that
They’re right about Britney . It could’ve been any other girl doing what she does if they too were at the right place at the right time
Obviously you're not educated well in the topic. Do your research before talking sh*t and making a fool out of yourself :)
I don’t know if I agree. Britney is a great popstar, dancer & has a great pop sensibility.
britney has one unique voice and her personality is very relatable. pop songs dont require whitney-level vocal but memorable hooks and distinct voice. to this day, people still be mimicing “britney-voice” cuz its very distinct and thats how u make people remember or quickly can identify u when ure song is playing on the radio.
Have you ever see her perform? Her stage presence, unique baby voice, dance moves, charisma? She was destined for this
@@SaintMTi She is a great dancer, maybe the best female dancer (after Janet Jackson of course), you should check out her best dance breaks
Beyoncé is OVERRATED Taylor outsells Music, bums on seats for Tours and the list goes on……….
beyonce is not overrated. she deserves the praise she gets, if not more. She is the goat. You call her overrated but not artists like taylor, harry stayles etc. thats crazy.
@@okeeeey5555 Her music is overrated,but Bey's vocals is just a few steps below the greatest singers like Whitney,Mariah,Patti,etc.She's one of the greatest vocalist alive. Taylor,on the other hand,is rated just fine. Some of her songs (mostly singles) are overrated,and most of her songs are very underrated. While she doesn't get enough credit for her vocal improvement, she's widely praised by many for her great songwriting.
There’s nothing overrated about Beyoncé. She’s extremely underrated as a vocalist yet one of the greatest vocalists to ever live. In a technical sense, her vocal technique is virtually perfect. Some of you have a tendency to label extremely talented artists as “overrated” simply due to the fact that your fav isn’t held in the same regard. Beyoncé’s worked for everything she has and didn’t have a _machine_ behind her to help her achieve all that she’s attained in the last 25 years.
hater…
@@poosea6979 actually, Beyoncé’s singles can be meh. But her music is top tier. It’s why her albums are received so well. There is nothing about the woman that is overrated.
Aside from taylor winning lots awards. Her whole discography is very precious you won’t be able to buy the cheapest cds or merch specially the rare items. I guess RCA records is trying to kill themselves with regret of trying to shelve her
I just don’t understand the appeal