Nintendo Lied About Ultra 64! The Imaginary World of Nintendo 64 in Arcades
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Robert (or FPGAZumSpass) is done with active development of the MiSTer FPGA N64 core, giving us 99% of a fully functioning Nintendo 64 on MiSTer FPGA. Let's talk about what happened now that the MiSTer FPGA N64 core is in Update_All!
and that means a LOT of people asking me if you can play the arcade versions of Cruis'n USA and Killer Instinct...NO...because Nintendo lied to you! Sure the Seta Aleck 64 existed as an arcade board but Midway did NOT use Nintendo 64 hardware in the arcades!
The impossible Nintendo 64 FPGA core just got updated again on MiSTer FPGA! With huge improvements to the MiSTer FPGA N64 core bringing new life to so many best retro games! We now have LOD or level of detail which is another N64 hardware feature added to the MiSTer FPGA N64 core! N64 FPGA fun incoming! and now we have YUV support too so we have a FEATURE COMPLETE N64 FPGA core! and now Bangai-O has been fixed and is playable!
and here comes the big tests! Is MiSTer FPGA as good as real hardware for N64?
and now we have a MiSTer FPGA N64 Turbo core! That runs many games faster and better than a stock Nintendo 64!
The MiSTer N64 FPGA core was just updated and now TLB on N64 in FPGA is complete! A huge milestone for the Nintendo 64 MiSTer FPGA core is here!
It's a huge day for MiSTer FPGA and N64 fans...because every single retail game ever released for the Nintendo 64 now boots on MiSTer FPGA! FPGA gaming is huge for retro gaming fans and today marks the 100% of MiSTer FPGA N64 games booting! Banjo Tooie came in...at least place!
This is in addition to the N64 FPGA cor, bringing Killer Instinct Gold, Mario Golf, Twisted Edge Snowboarding, Super Mario 64 and Turok 2 to MiSTer FPGA for the first time! (ok just ONE part of Super Mario 64)
and now Paper Mario, Castlevania 64, Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness, Bomberman 64, Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon and more!
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On this episode of our MiSTer series we are going to be talking about the recent happenings in the MiSTer FPGA scene in regards to the potential of a Nintendo 64 core for MiSTer FPGA! Nobody saw it coming...and it was long considered an "impossible core" but perhaps Nintendo's first 3D console might be coming to MiSTer soon! Which would be amazing as there are a ton of great games for it and software emulation, while much improved, is still a bit hit or miss. Plus modding a N64 for HDMI out is expensive and VERY difficult!
N64 on MiSTer FPGA would be a huge moment for video game history and preservation too!
The N64 core RSP work seems to be getting buttoned up...so next comes the RDP or Reality Display Processor which is in progress and it now has perspective correction built in! . Which means we can now "play" Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Wave Race 64, even The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask...and some other items! and most of the corrupted graphics have been solved by this point in time! Plus F-Zero and Pokemon Snap now too! and Cubivore! And Animal Crossing...and 007 (no not GoldeEye yet) plus Pokemon Stadium! And Harvest Moon 64, and Extreme G and Glover 64...plus some beta Ocarina of Time!
But after the PS1 core on MiSTer (developed by Robert as well) and the PSX 2X core…nobody should doubt his talents!
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To counter your argument of false advertising by Midway/Nintendo: Those attract mode promos never explicitly stated that Killer Instinct or Cruis'n USA were running on the exact same hardware or identical technology, they only said that these games will soon be *Available in your home. Only on Nintendo Ultra 64.*
So it wasn't actually a lie, but rather a loose technicality.
That’s like me spitting at you but because you didn’t see it I could go “well technically” lol
I always thought this as well. I knew Arcades were more powerful than home consoles back then and I was an 8 year old lol.
You should have compared Killer Instinct Gold on N64 to Killer Instinct 2 on arcade. Not to mention that Killer Instinct 1 was ported to the SNES and not the N64 as everybody was hoping.
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God I still remember that lie to this day, I was one of those who got duped ! This is when we finally saw nintendo's true face, and trust me they haven't changed much 30 years later despite still having a good record. I hated them for that back in the day ! Especially when I saw Killer instinct gold and the fact that we never got the first original game at all, was so disapointing.
It was an odd thing for Nintendo to do for sure
@@VideoGameEsoterica I do not think it was odd. They just tried to keep up with what was new. And they already had KI2 on arcade market in the beginning of 1996. So KI1 was like yesterday paper.
@@kordelas2514 Wrong !!! They literrally announced (promised) Killer instict 1 on their own arcade machine intro, here listen again : 5:27
@@longann7560 Not wrong. KI1 was announced to be released in 1995 for their new console. Because the console was not ready for that year, they released a port of KI1 on SNES. Because of success of KI1, they had a sequel of KI1 developed in 1995 and released in the beginning of 1996 for arcades. They were not sure if the console will be ready for release in 1996 but devs could start developing games for it based on established specs. And because KI2 was their newest KI games in the series, they started porting it for SNES and N64. That is why we did not get KI1 on N64. And because N64 was released in USA in 1996, they did not release KI2 on SNES.
@@kordelas2514 WROOOONG !! in everyway, when you promise something or advertised something you never deliver, ITS WRONG, and its a scam. The tone down SNES version we got was not even close and was a piece of trash compare the its «ULTRA64» original Arcade unit that we we're suppose to get. Bla bla bla bla I don't care if it would have come out 2 years later (in 96 or 97) at least it would have come out but it didn't, So end of story Bro !
It’s crazy when you think about it that we never got the original Killer Instinct on N64, only SNES.
It is kind of odd
Frankly I preferred the SNES port to the arcade
The snes version fixed 1 major thing in VS mode that was completely broken in arcade version VS
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Kinda wished Nintendo kept the Ultra 64 name. I know it had to do with Konami owning the Ultra name.
I preferred it as well
You can buy a custom Ultra 64 gem to customize it
How ironic because Nintendo's stupid policies is why Konami created Ultra Games
And now Konami sucks too haha
For completely different and weaker hardware, N64 Cruisin' was still a faithful port that i enjoyed.
The gameplay was def all there and tons of fun
The N64 was really hamstrung by the incredibly limited texture cache and the the cartridge media, though the weird architecture didn’t help it either.
Personally, I prefer the softer and more processed look of the N64 version. The arcade looks too early-3D raw. Also weirdly enough the framerate somehow seems to be higher or at least more stable on N64.
@kosmosyche that’s fair. Blur is a vibe
Well they never said on ultra64... They said it was coming to ultra64... I'm surprised someone is asking this... I was thinking it was common sense that the cruisn arcades and ki ones was running on pretty much a super scaler... Anyway the N64 had way better 3d capability but a ridiculous memory space. Meanwhile the arcade had hard drives with tons of space but limited 3d capability.
The Cruisin USA port is closer to the arcade than i was expecting. Certainly closer than something like Daytona USA on Saturn. Then again, the Cruisin USA arcade board wasn't at the same level as the Model 2 board.
Daytona had no shot against Model 2 hardware. That was just a full generation ahead
@@VideoGameEsoterica but wasn't the Sega Rally port a decent one? Then after that game, the devs could have come back and make a faithful port. Same with Virtua Fighter 2
Yes those were solid
Yeah. Nintendo pissed me off. I wanted Killer Instinct 1 arcade version on the N64 & they gave it to us on Super NES instead. "Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies..."
@@AlexanderCalderon-kd6mh Nintendo never promised the arcade version of KI1 on N64.
Next you'll be expecting me to believe that the Killer Instinct arcade machine doesn't actually have a SNES inside when you chainsaw it in half.
Two SNES duct taped together
This is a case of terrible marketing causing people to think things that weren't going to be true. Nintendo never said the home hardware would be the same as the arcade hardware. Killer Instinct says "coming to Ultra 64 in 1995", it doesn't say it's the same hardware at home or that it's not a port. It was intended as "hey, buy this home console if you want a version of this for the home" not "the arcade version will be exactly the same as the home version when released".
Nintendo was calling the console Ultra 64 in magazines at the same time so they were creating the confusion
They were confident the N64 hardware will be much more powerful and capable that the hardware Killer Instinct was running on. Sadly, they probably couldn´t device a way to cram the original´s 300Mbytes + of data into an N64 cartridge, or maybe it was to costly at that moment. So for not completly decieve people, they decided to port it to the SNES hardware so you could at least say that you could play Killer Instinct on a Nintendo home console on 1995.
KI actually says "coming to your home in 1995, only on Nintendo Ultra 64".
@BenGmanUk Sure but that changes nothing.
@zerojayzero I know. It's just etched into my memory from the arcade ha.
I think a lot of people knew back then that the Nintendo 64 and the arcade games claiming that they’re using actual hardware of the console did not match up. Well, a lot of people myself included were disappointed. It still didn’t hide the fact that the Nintendo 64 was a fun console.
Oh N64 was a fun of fun. This is just a good story to tell
Regardless of what we got on the N64, I still remember how hyped I was the first time I saw the Ultra 64 intro on a KI arcade cabinet. I've been searching for that high ever since. Bummer that it's not feasible on the Mister.
It was the era of fun and exciting new hardware that we really don’t get any more
Curiously, later there was an arcade system actually based on the Nintendo 64, the Seta Aleck64.
And what an odd system it was
I did first play cruise n' usa on an arcade and I don't even remember that ultra 64 advertisement but that was a real long time ago
It was pretty quick. Blink and you miss it
That would've been a cool name to be honest.
Super Nintendo
Mega Drive
Ultra 64
All we'd need is a Hyper something or other to complete the saga.
Hyper Neo Geo existed!
This sounds almost like if Nintendo was preparing with partners for the Ultra Nintendo 64 but no one at the time really knew what specs it'd have in the end.
Like if they were throwing well functioning prototype hardware at arcades for their games.
Obviously not the case but other than lower details and the woman at the finish line having a different look, Crusin' USA seems fairly true and loyal to the original.
Meaning Midway did a good job porting the game to the actual Nintendo 64.
Yes the port was solid especially for being an early title in the hardware lifecycle
I have memories of similar claims on arcade San Francisco Rush machines.
I don’t remember anything in Rush
@@VideoGameEsoterica I feel like it was San Francisco Rush Alcatraz Edition in the arcade that had a screen somewhere which said San Francisco Rush was coming soon to Nintendo 64. I seem to recall that it created confusion as to whether or not the Alcatrez track was going to be in the N64 game among my friends. Turned out no it did not have that track.
Must be in there then
What music do you have running in the background?
I’d honestly have to go back and check. It’s been a minute
Well they never said on ultra64... They said it was coming to ultra64... I'm surprised someone is asking this... I was thinking it was common sense that the cruisn arcades and ki ones was running on pretty much a super scaler... Anyway the N64 had way better 3d capability but a ridiculous memory space. Meanwhile the arcade had hard drives with tons of space but limited 3d capability.
Many people don’t realize this is what happened
Reminds me of how cut down the hyped Star Wars game was after release
Which one?
I guess it’s like Sega’s “Blast Processing” for Genesis, just a marketing gimmick.
It was a little worse since we arcade go'ers we're all thrilled and dropping quarters into those machines, thinkig we would be getting the real deal on home console, then it didnt happen. What a scam this was !
It’s def beyond that IMO
Exactly. The “Ultra 64” games bore no resemblance hardware wise to what you’d get when you opened your N64 at home
"Blast processing" was technically real the Genesis did have a faster CPU and Sega marketed the hell out of it with totally rad buzzwords...hardly any kids back then would've understood Sega Genesis has a faster CPU than Super Nintendo but tell a kid Genesis has blast processing and Super Nintendo don't? Well little Johnny is sold!
Haha yes blast processing wasn’t AS fake as people think. But it was generally more of a marketing ploy than a feature
While it's true that the ports are not arcade perfect, seeing what modern Homebrew Developers Ihave done with the N64 shows that it is one magical little box.
I would love to see something like MSU1 for N64, becauss that would let you get very close to Arcade perfect on some of the ports particularly in the audio department.
I’d love to see that too
@jamescampbell8482 for sure! Nintendo 64 had some badass hardware inside of it!
While they did lie, common sense would dictate that it was unlikely to see 1:1 ports of contemporary arcade games on commodity home hardware…these boards costed thousands of dollars.
Who knows 🤷🏻♂️ just hype building really
@@VideoGameEsoterica Oh yeah, it was dishonest, also those SGI videos hyping the hardware by showing output from SGI workstations were very dishonest.
@yellowblanka6058 happens with so many consoles
I wonder, what stops the N64 from doing a perfect 1:1 port of Cruis´n USA? At least, on paper the N64 hardware looks much more capable and resourseful than the original arcade hardware.
Most likely time. Had to get Cruis’n ready for launch window plus differences in hardware and a much reduced storage capacity on the cart
Nintendo lied, but never fooled me. I always know that we would never get the same game from the arcade.
They certainly tried
I do not see any lie. Perhaps some people lied to themselves that 10k USD machine will be in their homes for 200 USD only.
I saw that KI intro as saying that KI will come home only on the Nintendo ultra 64 and not that it uses u64 in the arcade
I still feel like Nintendo was trying to send that message
5:28 No, they didn't say it ran on the home hardware, they only said it was "available" on it.
They covered their wording, but it's understandable why the association was made by consumers.
Still a lot of smoke and mirrors
They tried to do what neogeo did during the mid nineties, but make it affordable. Even as a kid I could tell the n64 lied to us. Crusin USA on 64 was gutted and held together with tape and prayers.
SNK gave you the real deal. Still wild that happened
@@VideoGameEsoterica yeah they did. Them games weigh a ton haha
Haha I’ve got them here. They take up so much space
@@VideoGameEsoterica but to know you essentially hold an entire arcade game in your hands was and still is the best aspect of collecting.
It’s definitely a unique vibe
You know that Killer Instinct Gold is based on the sequel, Killer Instinct 2, right? That really is apples and oranges to use your analogy...
Yes. But it’s what I have to compare
Wonder what 3D hardware was used for the V Unit Crusin games? Considering Namco had E&S and Sega had Lockheed Martian they must have licenced another 3D chip for the graphics.
Midway would spin up their own 3D for a while with DSPs and even some FPGA chips that were iterated on as 3D hardware
@@VideoGameEsoterica oh wow, that's wild west
then again, that's the fun of arcades. Whatever works!
I remember playing Cruz n usa in the arcade when it first came it out, then the actual n64 game a few years later it was a major disappointment and I had always wondered why it didn't play or look the same
Now you know. The old bait and switch
What I find silly is that the best home port of the arcade version of killer instinct was on the SNES (which was obviously very cut down) and they never released more faithful ports of KI1 or KI2 anywhere else ever again as far as I know (aside from mame)
Yeah the game just kind of came and went
Emulated versions of KI1 and KI2 were officially released on Xbox One with some extra meta features like on line mode. Plus official release of emulated KI1 on arcade 1up cabinet.
@@kordelas2514 thanks. I wasn’t aware.
it's cool when you compare a home console game to it's big arcade brother
I may do some more side by sides in the future
@@VideoGameEsoterica nice as there a hand of good examples
@phoenixmixgaming4625 well where’s the list? Lol
To be fair they never said there was an Ultra 64 in these cabinets, they just said the games would come to the Nintendo Ultra 64. Also technically Alek 64 was N64 hardware right?
Aleck was yes
I knew that KI1/KI2/Crusin' was completely different hardware game magazines said as much back then. They were just saying that the games would be on the N64 and exclusively on the N64. It never said it was the same hardware. Look at some EGM articles at the time.
I still say there was no world in which Nintendo didn’t want people thinking this is what Ultra 64 was
Im still bitter about the tagline that was used to sell the sega mastersystem in the uk.
" for arcade quality games at home, think Sega"
Hang on was bad enough but when i paid the equivalent of five weeks paper round money for Enduro Racer i was close to tears
And long before the internet when we had access to reviews. Had to buy on hopes alone
I feel like our discussion in the comments section inspired this video
Even I don’t remember where half these video ideas come from 🤣
Ultra 64. We were super hyped too.
Was a great name at least
I don't know how Nintendo didn't get sued or massively penalized by the FTC for this back then.
I mean how many people back then even went after stuff that fringe
@@VideoGameEsoterica There are a lot of ambulance chasing lawyers out there that will sue over anything. They probably needed to reign in costs for what was still novel tech at the time and didn't set out to deceive people but it still seems like low-hanging fruit for someone to go after.
I wish they had kept the name Ultra 64.
It was for sure more fun than just Nintendo 64
I remember all this well, too. And was disappointing with the muddy, foggy 3D we eventually got. Luckily Mario 64 and 4 player split screen Mario Kart soothed the anguish🤪
At least the games were good!
N64 was KILLA
It was def a fun console
Oh yes they lied.
Do you remember the Intro in the Arcade Version of Killer Instinct "Ultra Sixty Four, blahblah"
We were supposed to get that quality.
Instead we got a blurry piece of junk with maybe 10 games worth playing, half of them being first party.
Vaseline for life lol
Er..what? As someone who spent a ton of money on the Killer Instinct arcade machine, Killer Instinct Gold was a disappointment. It was some weird mix of KI & KI2, and I didn't enjoy KI2 that much in the arcade either. I enjoyed KI on the Super Nintendo more then the N64 release. Cruis'n felt a little closer to me and I enjoyed it, all 3 of them actually on console even though they were not exactly like their arcade counterparts.
It was an odd amalgam of the entire franchise for sure
Incorrect. KI Gold was a port of KI2. It did not have any content from KI1.
@@VideoGameEsoterica It was not a mix of KI and KI2. It was just a port of KI2. One great thing about it was that there were no loading screens like in fighting games on PS1 and Saturn. It was painful to wait for stages to load on PS1 in games like MK3 or MK Trilogy. But no issue with KI Gold. And its music was perfect or even better than on arcade because it was in stereo.
Want a hoax in videogames?, THE SNES!, How?, like knowing that the arcade ports that they gave us were TOTAL BARGAINS, for example the FM Towns port of Super Street Fighter 2, which is 256x224, max 256 colors, and feels like the real SSF2 port for Snes and maybe Genesis also. Like Gizada said, the guy who created the Killer Instinct upgrade MSU1 patch, CPS2 gameplay and looks are easy for Snes, and by taking a look at the Snes development manuals you can confirm that. FUN FACT!, the Sne can display up to almost 2050 colors in modes 3 and 4 (BG1), and still have the entire 256 colors for sprites and other backgrounds at its disposal, THE MEMORY?, by the mid 90s this wasn't an issue anymore for these arcade games (like SSF2), even decompression chips were cheaper. Deus benedicat tibi.
That was a fun patch
You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Take a look at SFA2 on SNES if you think that you can have SNES games on CPS2 level. Because it is possible to use some tricks with additional chips in cartridges, it does not mean it was economically feasible.
Nintendo started false advertising when they broadcasting commercials of a Yellowed Backlit Gameboy in the 80's.
I missed that
@@VideoGameEsoterica ua-cam.com/video/i7w81dEs5jQ/v-deo.htmlsi=lVj8pHWRC75tomkh
@@Prime-1111X I do not see any information that it was backlit. It was more about showing games in action properly on TV screen.
@kordelas2514 It's called Advertising Deception. If they was being honest, they would've showed the final product and a fine print at the end. The average consumer wasn't aware of the hardware capabilities. Now with the internet, people are more educated so that trick won't work anymore. It's just like back in 1990 when the Parents was in the news complaining about Nintendo releasing a new system while the NES was still popular, not knowing the SNES had stronger hardware.
@@Prime-1111X I do not see any deception there.
Nice topic there today, sadly never play those n64 games at all because n64 in Indonesia is almost nonexist
What existed back in the day in Indonesia gaming wise? I can’t say I know
@@VideoGameEsoterica Well On 5th gen consoles playstation dominating here, nintendo just get bigger attention here with nintendo wii, snes actually already get attention before but just get overshadowed by sega megadrive because nintendo expensive at the time
PlayStation really just dominated everywhere
@@VideoGameEsoterica It Is, btw do you think nintendo switch could beat ps2 lifetime sales record ?
@RetroRacing looks like it’s getting close to taking the lead
fascinating topic
Glad you enjoyed
i find n64 killer instinct to be quite fugly
if you disable the blurring using something like mister core, you can see how low-rez the characters are
killer instinct 2 in the arcade is actually a pretty slick-looking game still
Because it should be played on CRT TV set. Then it looks great.
It’s one of those “gotta play on CRT” games
@@VideoGameEsoterica
wow, so it needs like 5 layers of blur
Hahaha. Boy, and I thought Atari was bad with it's lie with the Jaguar being true 64-bit VGE. 8^)
Actually some of its architecture was 64bit. It just did not have any 64bit processor in it.
Everyone was making up stories
Everyone was making up stories
You gotta stop just copying and pasting video description text, man. The text is extremely out of date and basically word salad.
It’ll get cleaned up eventually
I assumed it was some hardcore SEO or something. Definitely word salad, but if it helps him get a boost in the algorithm, would be fine by me.
It’s just me having a lot to manage with all these and I do borrow from old posts. But it does help search functions too so double purpose
@@VideoGameEsoterica😂 you’re the man
Nintendo was on something back then lol, I remember the big N saying that the Nintendo 64 would produce "movie quality graphics" because of the SGI workstation, and while I certainly think n64 games could look nice, the "movie quality" was only true if you hadn't been to the movies since the 80s lol.
Yeah they kinda oversold the hell out of it
Sega had the arcade fans, so this was Nintendo’s way of stepping on Sega toes.
Sega did what Nintendont in arcades harder than any other gaming space
When the N64 was available in retail, my PC was running a 3DFX-Voodoo card in VGA and i remember about those poor consoles capabilities and resolution on a simple TV screen while i had a 17" fast monitor. 😁
That was a fun era for computers. I had a Voodoo as well
This is why I passed on so many N64 games. PC was way beyond. I'm just now looking at my N64 backlog and confirming I made the right choice, even though there are some bangers, they don't come close to what we were doing on PC.
@MadsterV why not both lol
@@MadsterV I have a different experience than you. I was happy that I had consoles (N64, PS1, Saturn) and not PC at that time because PC ports of the same game were not as good. Especially artistic aesthetics were like broken on PC in comparison. Especially caused by higher resolution and smoothed out textures.
PC had its own set of games. Really people were playing consoles and pc games simultaneously
5:28 "err, or Super Nintendo..."
Super duper
I put on Killer Instinct just to show people how big of a lie we were told. It's a crime we didn't get the first Killer Instinct on the Nintendo 64
It was an odd decision for sure
It's more of a crime that they did not release Killer Instinct 2 on SNES. Yet they had it developed in 1996.
An odd choice for sure
Just have the arcade version
A few potential situations that could possibly explain it. Companies sometimes develop two sets of hardware, or determine hardware can't be done cheap enough, or so too expensive. Maybe this happened with the Ultra 64, maybe it happened with the Nintendo 64 arcade board, and there was a switch out? If the advertising deal was already signed, maybe the arcade company kept it.
Maybe the silicon graphics chip didn't manufacture as high performance as expected (remember the HD mode, was that 1024 across, then it didn't feature). It was delivering less than expected. A real let down. If you play golden eye, it's not that much graphically, except bump mapping, which a brand of cheap 3D card had, at sometime. It's like they needed to beef it up and put a mini cd in it. Actually!
It could have been some changes after the midway advertising deal was struck, and both companies could have dropped the advertising.
It's a shame, if only they had it with better performance at 1024*768, with a computer version with optical disc, it would have been pretty cool buy. The Amiga and Atari Jaguar failing, there was room for something apart from a PC. :)
It would have been interesting to know what N64 could have been like with optical discs and a much larger texture cache
@@VideoGameEsoterica I suggest looking at the upgraded versions of games with improved textures. It's an improvement.
But, I am more interested in what happened to produce the difference between the n64, what was claimed it would do, and the arcade. There might be some interesting alternative prototypes out there?
That is what the n64 needed. Or even zip drive floppy drive media storage expansion up to 750 MB . Or magnetic optical disc media. @@VideoGameEsoterica
@@maroon9273 They released 64DD. But the point was to have the lowest price for console as possible.
They were hyping us with the "Ultra 64". A super power system that uses same graphics as silicon graphics for movis like jurassic park they said.
Made by SGI def didn’t translate to “like the movies”
Never knew about this at all. Learn something new
That’s what I’m here for :)
I was disappointed when Killer Instinct 1 didn't release on Nintendo 64 or Ultra 64 was a myth. I wasn't a fan of KI Gold.
I think a lot of people were
I'm still waiting for the Ultra 64 port of Killer Instinct, it must be delayed. Nintendo wouldn't disappoint fans.
Also, I still can't believe they ditched the "Ultra" name, such a waste.
SLIGHTLY delayed lol
Nintendo is an old dog.
To avoid thousands of lawsuits they NEVER RELEASED the Nintendo ULTRA 64.
Instead, they realeased another console, called Nintendo 64.
Sad but true.
I dunno if that’s exactly the case 🤷🏻♂️
It's a shame we never got a standalone ultra 64 emulator. Sure the mame emulation is good but mame cannot upscale or do widescreen hacks.
At least we have that
Actually mame do upscaling. Also what game do you want to have in a widescreen mode? How KI1 and KI2 would benefit from it?
@@kordelas2514 Mame has filters that simulate upscaling. No I would not want KI 1 or 2 in wide unless it was non stretched an not glitchy at the edges. But for Cruis'n USA and World.
@@nit3h8wk81 Filters and upscaling methods are two different things. Mame has upscaling options, but it seems you do not understand what upscaling is. If there was no upscaling, then it would render games in its original resolution only. And there is no such thing as simulation of upscaling. KI1 and KI2 gameplay was not designed for widescreen. If someone would get to a code of the game, then they could change it into widescreen. But they would have to keep gameplay mechanic within original display format to not break it. Not many games can benefit from widescreen modifications because they were not designed for this. It usually breaks aesthetics and nothing happens on those sides. Objects are not even rendered there. To me, it seems you are not properly informed about how all this stuff works.
The whole Ultra64 hype before launch was just an embarrassment. I remember how for nearly 2 years this thing was announced in German magazines. N also couldn't point out enough the "Dream Teams" that were working on super exciting titles. Teams that got special treatment from N and such.
It was a huge hype train
@@VideoGameEsoterica I wish to be hyped about consoles and games nowadays like I was in the 90s.
Marketing vs reality.😢
A tale as old as time
Actually there was N64 based arcade hardware it was called Alec64, I belive Seta buy from Nintendo rights to use N64 as base for arcade machines. They release few simple arcade games and few mature theme mahjong games.
I mentioned that in the description
@VideoGameEsoterica funny thing is that n64 is very family friendly and avoids nudity, but alec64 owners got free hands in that matter like nintendo does not care.
Haha this is true
Nintendo had no choice but to downgrade their 64 system it would have cost another $100 to the consumer to make it the way they claimed it would be for that time. I still think it's dishonest but certainly expected of a big giant video game company. That's why it took an extra 2 years for 007 to get finished! Good job on this.
Glad you enjoyed. I wish Nintendo had delivered better hardware
There was no downgrade. And could start a proper development once development kits with a console were ready in 1996. Before that they could only assume what hardware will be and simulate it. So in reality, it did not take long to develop 007.
i always knew this but i dont feel bad for anyone who doesnt like browse system16 alot falling for the Ultra 64 scam, Nintendo lied. i guess the real question is now will anyone of the MiSTer developers work on cores for these boards, or do you think it's just too niche to do all that work for less than a handful of games?
Too niche would be my opinion
I remember seeing the Ultra 64 logo all the time in the arcade back in the day. Killer Instinct proudly and confidently stated that the game was coming home to the Nintendo Ultra 64! It...didn't happen. womp womp
All the more reason to love Saturn
But we know why. That is why SNES got it. And they were not even sure that they will be ready for 1996. So they developed KI2 on SNES as well.
A weird time in gaming
As a kid I never knew any of these games were originally arcade games. They were fun! Back then I had more goodwill towards Nintendo, but now I want to hold their feet to the fire for historical wrongs haha
Nintendo today isn’t exactly making people love them
Yeah I expected it to be the exact same hardware because when you compared the Sega Rally and Daytona USA to U64 based games it was comparatively weak home hardware like.
I kinda wished Nintendo had kept the Ultra name for the console vs just going Nintendo 64
@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah Ultra 64 was a fantastic name showcasing it's power.
But even Nintendo knew they were about to face some problems due to cartridge storage.
I am wondering if Nintendo went with CDs if they could stream the Killer Instinct backgrounds off the disk and include the FMV.
With thr reduced functionality compared to the Ultra 64 Arcades I feel Nintendo 64 is fitting.
But how much difference in power is there?
Plus it just tied into Super Nintendo. Then make GameCube…Supreme Nintendo? Lol
@@WWammyy It would not be possible to have backgrounds play like that off the CDs. On arcade hardware the point of it was to show that background is played like it is real 3D environment while screen is scrolled horizontally.
To be fair the n64 had anti aliasing which was better than pc hw at the same time for a lower price. And compared to the 3d performance of ps1 or Saturn it was far superior. I did not believe the hype but was still impressed what the n64 could do. Especially local mp was excellent. ☮️
Anti aliasing was a nice hardware feature for sure
Cruis'n USA was alright in arcades, but I wasn't a fan of the N64 port at all. Midway did a better job porting over Cruis'n World to N64 than they did Cruis'n USA.
World was def a more fully fleshed out game than USA
@@VideoGameEsoterica That is definitely true, but the port job for World was also pretty solid. You could tell that Midway had a better grasp of how to get more performance out of the N64 hardware by the time they got around to porting that one over. Same with Gauntlet Legends turning out well.
Yes. Diff between launch window and years later
We should DEMAND Capcom to re port SSF2 and all Capcom games to Snes to fix what they gave us, every console must be used at its full capabilities, but there was an agenda to favor the PS1, with arcade perfect ports for the Snes the PS1 wouldn't even lasted that much, pure consumism, 3D games weren't that popular back then, like they wanna make us believe nowadays. Deus benedicat tibi.
Haha demand eh?
Who claims that they were popular? First arcade machines started showing proper 3D games. And PS1 was one of first consoles which could properly handle such games. No agenda there. Just PS1 was cheap and easy to develop for. And games like Doom were popular even if it was not really based on 3D engine. But it was obvious that previous generation of consoles can't handle games like Doom and new 3D arcade games properly. Sony only pushed more for 3D games because it was better than Saturn at it, but weaker at 2D games.
nintendo ports are usually better than the arcade just scaled down to the console specs.
Depends on the game
@@VideoGameEsoterica
yeah.
Wait, lemmie get this straight... so it's using the exact same n64 hardware? Maybe explain it 7 more times and I might get it.
Best I can do is 69 more times
it feels like you said the same thing at least 25 times in this video, I know you need to get over 10 mins in length but this one was a tad bit much for my sensibilities. Usually great content though
I don’t know where this ten minute video idea comes from 🤷🏻♂️ because I don’t need it to be that length
I'm not sure why but a while ago there was a youtube rule that meant 10 min or longer videos made more money, so suddenly everyone did that, often stretching our the thinnest of contents. That was like 2016, things may have changed now
@alkenstein yeah nothing like that any more. Eight minutes is the “you can have a mid video ad” so if I was trying to target some time I’d end the vid at 8:15
Sony claimed PS2 had 5 times the power of Dreamcast. In reality Dreamcast ran most games better.
To make Sony look even worse, Xbox and GameCube had more power than PS2 too. PS2 didn't even have standardized basic features like bilinear filtering.
PS2 has aged the worst of that gen IMO visually
@@VideoGameEsoterica Yes it id. In fact i PS2 never impressed me so i never bought it.
Conker on Xbox 1 still looks great in 2024 with it's free 4K/60 upgrade.
I bought Dreamcast and GameCube instead back then, and then Xbox 360 + PS3 + Wii.
PS3 is the only Sony consoles i ever liked, but not much until 3+ years after launch...
PS2 has tons of good games all the same
@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah, but i wouldn't have time for PS2 anyway as i also played half the time on PC.
Plus, fmv/pre-rendered quality 3d graphics. Overall, the ps2 became the best selling console with critically acclaimed first party games. Also, gta San andreas ps2 port became the best selling port.
So mean
Classic Nintendo
Killer Instinct Gold is still bad because it is just a port of KI2 when everyone wanted/expected KI1 but it also had dumbed down/3D backgrounds and blurry player sprites. Nintendo should have made the N64 4X-CDROM based or Zip Drive based and gave us faithful home ports of the first two games for 49.99 and not just a compromised port of KI2 for 79.99 like they did.
Cartridges were def not a great choice in hindsight
CDROM and Zip Drive is not enough for displaying backgrounds in KI1 and KI2. Also your price expectations are not realistic for those times.
@@kordelas2514 PS1 games sold for 49.99 on CD why couldn't N64 games on CD as well? Shigeryu Miyamoto tax too high? :) also backgrounds are 8 frames manipulated to look like more so N64/Saturn with expanded ram could have done it.
@@VideoGameEsoterica Dude I modded Super Punchout MSU-1 with Rocky 4/SF2/KI1+2 soundtrack it is awesome. I will upload a video soon so check it out.
@@Jolly-Green-Steve Prices of games were set by sellers. Nintendo choose a cartridge format likely to prevent piracy and CD drive licenses fees. And no, backgrounds are just a set of 2D frames from 3D rendered models which are changing based on horizontal scrolling. FMVs are based on player and codec. You can play them in a loop but you can't dynamically move them forward and backward. You clearly have no clue how this technology works.
I never cared about Killer Instinct.. it just seemed like a generic fighter to me. 🤷
It’s not my fav either but others absolutely love it
Dude stretching the FUUUUUUU*K out of a 3 min video.
Then just watch 3 minutes lol
Haha I remember this well. Nintendo sucks.
Nintendo has been pulling shenanigans since NES
There is a lot misinformation around this subject.
This is how it was:
Yes, "Ultra 64 Arcade Board" was not Nintendo 64.
However, this is mostly due that Silicon Graphics didn't have GPU chip ready at the time.
There is Arcade board called Alec, and that board is N64.
Cruis'n USA Arcade board was 32Bit with 50Mhz CPU and additional 10Mhz core for sound. The game itself was 14MB.
Cruis'n World had exact same Arcade board, so these games completedly lacked N64 GPU 3DFX -effects.
Cruis'n USA (8MB) was a bad port on N64, but footage shown here is certainly not actual Arcade pixelated medium resolution -cabinet footage that i played back in the day.
Cruis'n World looks actually better on N64 (12MB) than on Arcade (44MB). Not only does it utilize GPU for accelrated visuals, but also pop -up has been replaced by fade -in that is much nicer to the eyes.
As for Killer Instinct, the Arcade Cabinet Board is 64Bit with 100Mhz CPU.
While it lacks GPU, at least it was aimed to match Nintendo 64 specs, unlike underpowered Cruis'n boards.
At the end of the day, Nintendo 64 certainly has far better looking games than Cruis'n USA Arcade.
Could N64 run the port of actual Arcade -version of first Killer Instinct?
Well, someone would need to build 128MB cartridge for it and rewrite the game.
Sounds like impossible, but KI2 Arcade toke 410MB, still N64 port that was only 12MB got really close.
With a proper compression techniques 64MB port of first Killer Instinct including FMV should be possible.
N64 cruinusa looked too plain compare the arcade. It needed 44 mb rom cart to be arcade perfect.
@maroon9273 Certainly needed bigger cartridge. But Cruisn USA was only 14MB on Arcade. Albeit most of size on Arcade -version actually went into music. There are peoples who actually think "Ultra 64 Arcade -Boards" to be superior than N64. They most definitely were not.
You really need to slow down. It's honestly hard to keep track of what you're saying and you'd probably benefit yourself from not having to breathe in so hard near the mic so much. 😮
You can slow the vid down a touch too. It’s honestly just my cadence
@@VideoGameEsoterica Nah, he's right man. Great video and content, but the information is read out too quickly.
Third ! :D
Accepted and verified
first?
Came in second. Gotta get up early to beat ragesauce
FIRST!
First in my heart
What is up with the weird drawl at the end of words? I can't listen to this.
It’s called how I talk. You don’t have to listen to it 🤷🏻♂️
K BYEEEEEEEEEEEEE 🤷♂
@@VideoGameEsoterica Dude it's too fast and you do like a vocal rasp on the last word before any slight pause.
Just what happens. Allergy season is bad here. Is what it is some days
With the exception of the NES, and slightly less, the SNES, Nintendo just hasn't been able to get it right. The N64 was utter garbage, the Gamecube wasn't much better, Wii was a gimmick and a joke, WiiU was a disaster, and the Switch, regardless of how many units have sold, is a pretty pathetic, little machine. I, honestly, don't understand how Nintendo is still around after making so many blunders.
And, yes, this is on-topic. The issue with Nintendo has always been about them selling inferior hardware to consumers, which, back then, meant: no decent arcade ports due to Nintendo being cheapskates on the hardware. They have always deserved to be in last place, imo.
SNES and N64 are among of my favorite consoles of all times.
I liked GameCube personally
Classics
At least nintendo made it up with the enhancement chips for the snes. I wish n64 had a larger texture cache and used magnetical disc or zipdrive like floppy disk (with 750 mb disk drive). The gamecube had more main ram, used double sided and dual layer dvd mini discs. Wii had hd dvd media. Plus the Wii, wii u, switch had more storage capacity, more ram, faster and powerful hardware.
@@maroon9273 N64 had a magnetic floppy disk drive called 64DD.
I don't think lying worked for them in the end. The N64 ended up looking so terrible. By far the worst of the three big companies that generation.
They did not lie at all. And N64 was great in comparison to other consoles.
Is wasn’t the prettiest but it worked for them
It had its upsides and downsides
Polygons, graphical colors except blurs, 3d world looked much better than the saturn, ps1. The only issue with the n64 was its texture/background blurs, and its annoying fog draw distance.
@maroon9273 the texture cache is just too tiny