I just purchased an antique Bosendorfer Viennese Grand Piano after being completely convinced to do by watching the mesmerizing performance of Professor von Arinim. His playing takes my breath away!
Took my 8 year old son into our local shop and they had a 280vc which they let us both play. Amazing, amazing sound. I told him if he kept playing and got really good...... I still wouldn't buy him one, but someone might have one available for him to play if he became a pro. :D
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but the difference in architectural strategies between Steinway, Mason & Hamlin and Bösendorfer is largely based on the relationship between the soundboard and the rim. The American strategy is to use lots of very hard wood e.g. rock maple in the rim and to make sure that rim is thick so as to keep vibration in the soundboard where it will do the most good in addition the soundboard is thinner with a higher crown than most European pianos except perhaps modern Bechsteins this means that it takes less energy to get the soundboard vibrating. The end result is great power and projection, also in a great American piano including Hamberg Steinway you have a beautiful charming tone at moderate volume but above forte the actual character of the instrument begins to transform taking on an ecstatic quality. Pianists really dig this normally. However the Bösendorfer sounds like the same piano only louder at high volume. However Bösendorfer has compensated by adding resonance in the form of extra bass strings. The beautiful clear bell like tone of a Bösendorfer though perhaps has been eclipsed by Fazioli and perhaps modern Bechsteins maybe Sheguru too but good examples of any of the instruments I've mentioned,,,geez are you kidding? It would be like turning down date with Miss Austria. Do they still do that?
Only the Bösendorfer 225 and 290 (Imperial) comes with extra notes (92 and 97 keys). The rest of the Bösies have normal 88 setup. But the bass strings have more copper coiled over than other brands (depends on the note). As for the rim, they use the same design as before. Kerfed spruce inner rim for resonance and birch added to stabilize the piano case. The design changes between the traditional and VC construction are a series of nuanced, computer calculated modifications in various parts and assembly of the pianos (e.g.: scale design and acoustic assembly).
The pianos that you played for us sound wonderful. I was wondering why so many of the new Bosendorfers I have heard sound extremely harsh. They can sound so elegant when they are voiced correctly.
I own an A.Proksch grand piano nearly built in the early 1900 in Austria with all the strings parallel it is 190 cm long with 85 ivory keys and a nice pyramid mahogany colour its sound is identical to the Bossendorfers you are playing i think that all Austrian pianos are nearly the same quality and sound but i would like to ask about if my piano has a viennese key action or english key action and how do i know Thanks for your time reading my comment
Boesendorfer is owned by Yamaha. Fazoli is a boutique brand and in my opinion the fazoli is better than this piano also the quality of build is much superior
While Yamaha owns Bösendorfer, they don't interfere with its operation (at least, not on the manufacturing side). The new VC design came from Bösendorfer's desire to be able to serve concert hall - needs better. The biggest complaints about the traditional Bösies was that they are not loud enough for big venues and require sound amplification next to an orchestra. On the other hand, Yamaha's high end pianos benefited from the acquisition and gained richer sound profile - a bit closer to Bösendorfer's. So, from Bösie's point of view, the ownership change made no major difference. On the comparison to Fazioli... Fazioli produces amazing pianos with great sound and feel - especially at the action. I do also think, they are top tire wonders. But I would not say that there is a quality difference between them and the Bösies - it is more like differences in design choices based on desired end result. If there would be a clear quality difference, most people would choose the clear winner. But it is not the case. Some find Fazioli more intimate or the scale more smooth, while others favour Bösendorfer's sound because it feels more impressive or bright...
As soon as I win the lottery I'll be there. Love Bosendorfer pianos :)
I just purchased an antique Bosendorfer Viennese Grand Piano after being completely convinced to do by watching the mesmerizing performance of Professor von Arinim. His playing takes my breath away!
Took my 8 year old son into our local shop and they had a 280vc which they let us both play. Amazing, amazing sound. I told him if he kept playing and got really good...... I still wouldn't buy him one, but someone might have one available for him to play if he became a pro. :D
Oh my...I just love the sound of a Bosendefer.❤
Great sound, of course, but I love the way he oh so casually and exquisitely plays those snippets.
...he's been practising!
Well, he’s one of the world’s best pianists!
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but the difference in architectural strategies between Steinway, Mason & Hamlin and Bösendorfer is largely based on the relationship between the soundboard and the rim. The American strategy is to use lots of very hard wood e.g. rock maple in the rim and to make sure that rim is thick so as to keep vibration in the soundboard where it will do the most good in addition the soundboard is thinner with a higher crown than most European pianos except perhaps modern Bechsteins this means that it takes less energy to get the soundboard vibrating. The end result is great power and projection, also in a great American piano including Hamberg Steinway you have a beautiful charming tone at moderate volume but above forte the actual character of the instrument begins to transform taking on an ecstatic quality. Pianists really dig this normally. However the Bösendorfer sounds like the same piano only louder at high volume. However Bösendorfer has compensated by adding resonance in the form of extra bass strings. The beautiful clear bell like tone of a Bösendorfer though perhaps has been eclipsed by Fazioli and perhaps modern Bechsteins maybe Sheguru too but good examples of any of the instruments I've mentioned,,,geez are you kidding? It would be like turning down date with Miss Austria. Do they still do that?
Only the Bösendorfer 225 and 290 (Imperial) comes with extra notes (92 and 97 keys). The rest of the Bösies have normal 88 setup. But the bass strings have more copper coiled over than other brands (depends on the note). As for the rim, they use the same design as before. Kerfed spruce inner rim for resonance and birch added to stabilize the piano case. The design changes between the traditional and VC construction are a series of nuanced, computer calculated modifications in various parts and assembly of the pianos (e.g.: scale design and acoustic assembly).
The pianos that you played for us sound wonderful. I was wondering why so many of the new Bosendorfers I have heard sound extremely harsh. They can sound so elegant when they are voiced correctly.
I own an A.Proksch grand piano nearly built in the early 1900 in Austria with all the strings parallel it is 190 cm long with 85 ivory keys and a nice pyramid mahogany colour its sound is identical to the Bossendorfers you are playing i think that all Austrian pianos are nearly the same quality and sound but i would like to ask about if my piano has a viennese key action or english key action and how do i know Thanks for your time reading my comment
Listen to his voice. Almost as good as the pianos.
can anyone please tell me the name of the song starting 1:04? thanks
That's a Schubert Impromptu???
@@suzearlImpromptu op. 90 n. 4 in A-flat major. :)
Now you have to hear a fazoli 278
the high end Bösendorfer is the 280 Vc or the Imperial? What is the difference in the sound?
imperial model is larger so it has a richer and more powerful sound. Also it has extra bass notes.
Would cost you a life fortune...
I‘m not sure …but I believe it’s possible to finance it with bearable monthly rates 😊
Maybe make them cheaper and you'll sell more!
Boesendorfer is owned by Yamaha. Fazoli is a boutique brand and in my opinion the fazoli is better than this piano also the quality of build is much superior
The CFX sounds more like a Boesendorfer than a Yamaha, and it's one of the best pianos made at the moment.
While Yamaha owns Bösendorfer, they don't interfere with its operation (at least, not on the manufacturing side). The new VC design came from Bösendorfer's desire to be able to serve concert hall - needs better. The biggest complaints about the traditional Bösies was that they are not loud enough for big venues and require sound amplification next to an orchestra.
On the other hand, Yamaha's high end pianos benefited from the acquisition and gained richer sound profile - a bit closer to Bösendorfer's. So, from Bösie's point of view, the ownership change made no major difference.
On the comparison to Fazioli...
Fazioli produces amazing pianos with great sound and feel - especially at the action. I do also think, they are top tire wonders. But I would not say that there is a quality difference between them and the Bösies - it is more like differences in design choices based on desired end result. If there would be a clear quality difference, most people would choose the clear winner. But it is not the case. Some find Fazioli more intimate or the scale more smooth, while others favour Bösendorfer's sound because it feels more impressive or bright...
@@ashy969 L O L, I take my original comment back as I now own a bosendorger VC. Both pianos are amazing different pianos, but I do prefer my Bose now.
What do you want? That they stop producing Bösendorfers ? 😂