Toyota's surprise potential F1 'return' explained

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  • @bukharijabarazman2700
    @bukharijabarazman2700 Місяць тому +1721

    So, we’re about to have an American-owned, UK-based, Italian-engineered F1 team, with a Japanese sponsor headquartered in Germany…
    Exciting times…

    • @McLMP4-22
      @McLMP4-22 Місяць тому +224

      Gene Haas=Mr Worldwide

    • @JustinU98
      @JustinU98 Місяць тому +102

      Its a non-binary car at this point

    • @krajacic21
      @krajacic21 Місяць тому +14

      F1 Global

    • @mrpoopoo888
      @mrpoopoo888 Місяць тому +1

      The allies and axis have aligned.

    • @zjsz4954
      @zjsz4954 Місяць тому +24

      Prestige Worldwide

  • @SamC-bg6vn
    @SamC-bg6vn Місяць тому +1980

    Massive Japanese car manufacturers try not to join, leave and rejoin F1 challenge (impossible level)

    • @patrickcesalestajodywibowo741
      @patrickcesalestajodywibowo741 Місяць тому +40

      Basically love-hate relationship 😅

    • @turbo_brian
      @turbo_brian Місяць тому +79

      Mitsubishi wins. They'll never have enough money for a team ever again. (They competed in f2 in the 70s)

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama Місяць тому +19

      I think this is going to just be a toe in the door for Toyota, at least for the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if they ramp it up over time, but they're not gonna dive in headfirst like they did last time.
      They're going to slip in, learn the culture while operating on the periphery, build some personal/professional connections to people inside F1 that might be useful if they DID jump in, and then decide from there how far to go. And they're going to do it in a way that allows them to easily cut their losses if it doesn't work out.

    • @irfandupovac8628
      @irfandupovac8628 Місяць тому +20

      ​@@turbo_brian Subaru will most likely never join again ( they technically raced under the Coloni name in 1990)

    • @Ken2B
      @Ken2B Місяць тому +7

      Educate me if I'm wrong, but only Honda have gone in and come out again. Subaru made like one f1 engine and that was it. As far as I'm aware Toyota hasn't been in since the noughties.

  • @thehypercovery
    @thehypercovery Місяць тому +621

    I always found it weird that Toyota didn’t join back when the turbo-hybrid era began in 2014 considering how far ahead their hybrid tech was compared to the competition

    • @qasimmir7117
      @qasimmir7117 Місяць тому +112

      Formula Prius.

    • @TinyBearTim
      @TinyBearTim Місяць тому +46

      Money and the systems are different between WEC and F1

    • @MuhammadNiz007
      @MuhammadNiz007 Місяць тому +18

      Those hybrids are not in the same league as Merc PU. Mercedes introduced first electric motor aid all the way back in McLaren mercedes 1998

    • @josehuaman6603
      @josehuaman6603 Місяць тому +34

      They had the experience but returning to F1 as a team is expensive, even for a company like Toyota. And it means to get rid of their 'corporate' style of management that didn't worked for them in the 2000s.

    • @rishinarang9966
      @rishinarang9966 Місяць тому +1

      @@qasimmir7117 LOL

  • @Adam-fj9px
    @Adam-fj9px Місяць тому +421

    With their success in wec and wrc toyota could seriously go all the way in f1

    • @zeberto1986
      @zeberto1986 Місяць тому +63

      People said last time that Toyota where going to do way better than they did. Toyota didnt understand F1 then and needs to seriosuly look at how an F1 team is run before making another crack. Last time suffered too much from interference from the top brass.

    • @deeacosta2734
      @deeacosta2734 Місяць тому +1

      Agree but small steps is probably a good idea.

    • @Adam-fj9px
      @Adam-fj9px Місяць тому +26

      @@zeberto1986 Just hope it's the Toyota branch from Germany that runs the racing teams instead of corporate Toyota from Japan that was interfering with them last time

    • @gourami7
      @gourami7 Місяць тому +1

      They really shit the bed last time in F1...

    • @zatgeye7320
      @zatgeye7320 Місяць тому +7

      @@zeberto1986 true. but gazoo racing has changed loads about toyota.

  • @dalmo001
    @dalmo001 Місяць тому +162

    The irony that Steiner was let go because he kept saying the facilities needed an upgrade and Komatsu woo-ing Gene Haas over, only for half way through the season, Komatsu then to state that the facilities need upgrading...
    Not downplaying what Komatsu has done so far, but just putting it bluntly, was there potentially more at play as to why Steiner was ultimately let go?

    • @Sauceyjames
      @Sauceyjames Місяць тому +8

      Maybe Gene Haas needed a 2nd opinion and wouldn't want it unless it was from another team principal.

    • @dalmo001
      @dalmo001 Місяць тому +31

      @@Sauceyjames Most likely. Perhaps Gene thought a new team principal is the new lick of paint the team needed and Steiner was just growing stale.
      However there is one thing that is for certain, is that Gene doesn't 'know' F1

    • @LazeeAnomalee
      @LazeeAnomalee Місяць тому +31

      I see what you're getting at but there were more issues at Haas than just the facilities which would explain why Gene was hessitent to pour money into the faclities without Steiner at least showing the team would make the most of them. Komatsu has done what Steiner couldn't which is maximise the team/car results as much as possible so when he now approaches Gene and says this is the ceiling of performance they can achieve without new facilities it carries more weight and less risk.
      Steiner's approach of introducing one or two big updates a year was clearly not working under the current rule set as by the time those updates came the team had fallen so far down the pecking order that it made scroing points almost impossible. Komatsu's approach of having a good starting base and introducing incremental updates almost every race weekend ensures they're never falling behind other teams in season development giving them more opportinities of good results.
      Steiner was a well loved character but an inefficient manager as shown by how well Komatsu is doing his first season the team is under his control.

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama Місяць тому +55

      Komatsu did it better. Instead of confronting Gene, he probably took the lead in proposing a solution, worked his best with what he had, and probably took point in these negotiations with Toyota Gazoo using his Japanese language skills to ease negotiations.
      In other words, instead of handing Gene a problem, he did the hard work and handed Gene a solution. One that rather than costing him money might actually lead to extra revenue for the team in the form of a new sponsor. That made it really easy for Gene to go along with what Komatsu wants.
      Management candidates, take note. Guenther is how you don't win. Komatsu is how you always win.
      Haas getting some relative success on the racetrack probably helped. Komatsu can tell Gene, "I can get you P6, but if you want better results I need more tools. And I have some good news on that front. I've been talking with representatives of the Toyoda family and..."

    • @IanLoughead
      @IanLoughead Місяць тому +8

      Perhaps Hass just realized what others have all along, that Steiner talks big but has never had the results to back it up

  • @DerNachtmannX
    @DerNachtmannX Місяць тому +20

    Toyota vs Audi? That would be interesting to see

    • @kohikappu
      @kohikappu Місяць тому +8

      Ah yes, the ol' time WEC rivalry.

  • @alfamaize
    @alfamaize Місяць тому +54

    Two things- first- keep an eye out for a Fiat-Toyota collaboration that is technical. Given Toyota's history, Fiat could be helped a lot from their battery and H2 experience.
    Second- nothing against Gunther, but seeing Haas try to make significant strides like this is a good reason Steiner needed to move aside. Just talking about this instead of that Rich Energy debacle is a very big deal for Haas.

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama Місяць тому +4

      Or the Uralkali deal that had the worst timing imaginable. basically Gunther had some decent ideas but never really executed them very well. Komatsu is a different cat, very "measure twice, cut once" and his cuts have been a lot more precise. He's done a very good job of quietly building out the foundations of the Haas team into something that can be stronger than it is now.

    • @kenliu6117
      @kenliu6117 Місяць тому +3

      @@hagamapama yeah those two deals really set Haas back

    • @harry4454
      @harry4454 Місяць тому +1

      Steiner was clearly a shit principal

  • @arhaangupta2988
    @arhaangupta2988 Місяць тому +17

    Problem with buying everything that's allowed is that they have to build the car around the parts, not the other way as it should be

  • @AndyHack10
    @AndyHack10 Місяць тому +11

    They have a massive factory in cologne with a windtunnel in which most of the currently on average fastest car in F1 was developed in. They're killing it in WEC and WRC and their last year of F1 was actually very promising. A return of Toyota would be quite interesting.

  • @ben_1
    @ben_1 Місяць тому +53

    I see one big "problem" for F1 with so many difrerent engine suppliers: Only one of them can win. And by experience it will be one, maybe two teams for a number of years. All the "new" companies in F1 will have to think long and hard how long they want to keep spending 100s of millions a year, for no direct return.

    • @Drakewyrm
      @Drakewyrm Місяць тому +5

      O even negative return like Renault/Alpine. It's better to not be in F1 than to be the laughing stock if the grid.

    • @user-ie2vn5hb2q
      @user-ie2vn5hb2q Місяць тому +1

      They will probably be earning more then spending

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 Місяць тому +5

      At least the cost cap will keep the spending down? WEC has a similar system, preventing a spending war by outlawing spending until allowed to.

    • @ben_1
      @ben_1 Місяць тому +1

      @@Appletank8 Engine development has it's own cost cap of $130m in 2026. The separate team cost cap is rumoured to be $220m in 2026. Driver and top-staff salaries will be additional millions each year. So it will keep the spending down relative to the 2010s, but it will still be in the 300-400m range.

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 Місяць тому +4

      @@ben_1 Yea F1 is gonna be expensive no matter what, but at least it slows it down somewhat, instead of the risk of somehow setting a billion dollars on fire for 9th place. Now it's only 300mil for 9th place.

  • @ElvisSirinBo
    @ElvisSirinBo Місяць тому +676

    Toyota's Surprise Potential F1 'Return' Explained" explores the rumors and implications of Toyota possibly re-entering the Formula 1 racing arena. Toyota's return to F1 could have a significant impact on the automotive industry and broader economy.

    • @Grey-y6u
      @Grey-y6u Місяць тому +4

      Firstly, rejoining F1 could boost Toyota's brand visibility and prestige, positioning it as a leader in automotive technology and innovation. This move could drive up consumer interest and sales, not just for their sports cars but across their entire lineup. Additionally, the technological advancements developed for F1 could trickle down into consumer vehicles, enhancing performance and safety features.

    • @Victoria-io7qb
      @Victoria-io7qb Місяць тому +2

      From an economic standpoint, Toyota's involvement in F1 could lead to increased investment in research and development, potentially creating new jobs and stimulating economic activity in related sectors like manufacturing, engineering, and marketing. It could also invigorate the F1 industry, attracting more sponsors, audiences, and media attention, which in turn drives economic benefits for host cities and countries.

    • @Dawnjohnston-c3
      @Dawnjohnston-c3 Місяць тому +1

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      @Victoria-io7qb Місяць тому

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    • @Dawnjohnston-c3
      @Dawnjohnston-c3 Місяць тому +1

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  • @yammt3148
    @yammt3148 Місяць тому +85

    I mean... They're killing it in WEC, so why not try again???

    • @paulreilly3904
      @paulreilly3904 Місяць тому +13

      They were killing it in the WEC. They're not bad but a lot of their success comes from being around for a long time. And having no competition at one point. Now though they're hardly killing it.

    • @Drakewyrm
      @Drakewyrm Місяць тому +4

      They were absolutely horrendous with an unlimited budget. They will be even worse in a cost cap era.

    • @Pepe-dq2ib
      @Pepe-dq2ib Місяць тому +19

      ​​@@paulreilly3904 they could've been 1-2 last race if #7 didn't have fuel pump problems. Also the previous race when #8 got punted out of champ and Ferrari only got a slap on the rist penalty.

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 Місяць тому +2

      They got 1 and 4 at Sao Paulo, it's not too bad.

    • @Keckegenkai
      @Keckegenkai Місяць тому +1

      killing it?
      I mean the inferior LMDH currently leads in points to the superior LMHs.

  • @Darnswim66
    @Darnswim66 Місяць тому +56

    My dream for the past 2 years was a partnership between McLaren and Toyota. That went from a 0% chance to a 5% chance. If not, I hope their stint this time will be much more successful than the last one if they decide to come back as a works team.

    • @sabataskull9661
      @sabataskull9661 Місяць тому +2

      Sorry, but it sounds like last Mclaren-Honda, Mclaren-Renault and Mclaren-Peugeot. Not really promising to me.

  • @evanbybee8953
    @evanbybee8953 Місяць тому +15

    NGL, that all black HAAS/Toyota rendering looks sick. I’d be stoked to see ‘yota back on the grid.

  • @43Disciple
    @43Disciple Місяць тому +6

    Andretti is surely punching the sky right now

  • @JScott-lg4jb
    @JScott-lg4jb Місяць тому +19

    “And Haas wins the 2030 World Constructors Championship”

  • @cyo3777
    @cyo3777 Місяць тому +6

    Wasn’t there another company that wanted to get into F1 and they said there was no room? Toyota! Come on down…!!!

  • @ArthurZakaryan23
    @ArthurZakaryan23 Місяць тому +29

    It's kind of a travesty that we don't have Toyota and Honda works teams in F1 anymore. The two biggest and most prominent/successful/biggest Japanese OEMs in the world most definitely need to showcase their technical expertise in the world's most technical motorsports series. Toyota and Honda are the equivalent of Mercedes and BMW on the German side and I'd definitely love to have BMW back battling their arch nemesis countrymates in Stuttgart.

    • @brownfield
      @brownfield Місяць тому +2

      I’m all for bringing both back. Honda and Toyota both belong in F1. Cadillac, erm, well - not quite. Haas is enough ‘Merica.

    • @kohikappu
      @kohikappu Місяць тому +4

      And people keep forgetting the fact that Andretti keep being rejected.

  • @dj2neo
    @dj2neo Місяць тому +12

    Didn't Haas just announce a power unit collaboration with Ferrari until 2028?

    • @DeathBlocks
      @DeathBlocks Місяць тому +2

      I was thinking about this the first time I heard about the potential Toyota connection. I wonder how much involvement/visibility Ferrari would be ok with? If it is just a technical partnership type situation I can see it being ok with them, well otherwise Haas wouldn't even do this so surely it is, but what happens when they start having a bunch of logos on the car or if it becomes Toyota Haas F1 instead of Moneygram?
      Maybe since it is Haas they will be more ok with it. And then when it comes to 2028 they could say ok choose now?

    • @the4fibs832
      @the4fibs832 Місяць тому +1

      @@DeathBlocks Toyota and Ferrari are not market competitors in the consumer space, so I could see it not being a big issue. I expect it would be different if it was a higher end brand like Porsche or Jaguar.

    • @DeathBlocks
      @DeathBlocks Місяць тому

      @@the4fibs832 yeah that is what I am thinking as well.

  • @sleepypixie8828
    @sleepypixie8828 Місяць тому +12

    I'm lowkey sad they're not gonna start making engines and have a works partnership with McLaren

  • @erasmus_locke
    @erasmus_locke Місяць тому +2

    Speaks volumes to Gunther's commitment to the team that all of the old problems he always talked about are still around and now the next team principal is talking about the exact same problems and how to fix them.

  • @shafiqarisha7417
    @shafiqarisha7417 Місяць тому +37

    That livery looks sick tho

  • @agytjax
    @agytjax Місяць тому +11

    I don't agree with you. 3 pole positions and 13 podium finishes is definitely not bad. The two main areas Toyota could have fared better : hired a world class aero engineer and hire front-running drivers. Season after season, they just stuck with mediocre drivers and that reflected in poor championship finishes

    • @kohikappu
      @kohikappu Місяць тому +1

      Mediocre drivers, not bad results, what were you talking about? They spent the most every single season, they overspent most of things, they even tried to copy the dominant Ferrari car during the first time they entered F1 and could have gotten at least 2-3 wins no, even a top team contender with that world-class budget and you, the one who said it is definitely not bad, blamed it on drivers the way they did? Ridiculous, Trulli was a race winner, so as Olivier Panis. And Kamui Kobayashi, Timo Glock, Ralf Schumacher, Mika Salo etc. were nowhere near mediocre drivers.

  • @TattvaRajput24
    @TattvaRajput24 Місяць тому +74

    I busted a fat one at the thumbnail's concept livery

    • @pocholocatoto5246
      @pocholocatoto5246 Місяць тому +8

      facts yo the black gr livery works really nicely

    • @joe718gt4
      @joe718gt4 Місяць тому +7

      Their new livery on their hypercar is really nice

  • @ImreBertalan86
    @ImreBertalan86 Місяць тому +9

    I just wish if Toyota comes back, they bring the livery with them. That was I think, the best livery ever.

    • @salim_abid_
      @salim_abid_ Місяць тому +1

      The Panasonic one??
      Colour scheme works with Haas too

  • @WaelAli-sd8sw
    @WaelAli-sd8sw Місяць тому +18

    The only reason why gene is in F1 is too market Haas automation.

    • @grunchlk
      @grunchlk Місяць тому +2

      So, did you buy a Haas CNC machine yet?

    • @WaelAli-sd8sw
      @WaelAli-sd8sw Місяць тому

      @@grunchlk did you?

    • @grunchlk
      @grunchlk Місяць тому

      @@WaelAli-sd8sw we're not in the market for CNC machines and that's exactly my point. Why market your industrial product to retail and luxury clients?
      Bentley doesn't sell cars at your local farmers market.

    • @WaelAli-sd8sw
      @WaelAli-sd8sw Місяць тому +2

      @@grunchlk you don’t need to be in the manufacturing market. Think economically. F1 has the biggest platform. Hence companies come and go to get brand exposure. When that happens and the partner team is successful, they can go back and sell their service/product at a higher price. Why do you think Alpine is shit? Because it’s being run by idiots who want to bring some value to Alpine cars in order to turn it into the French Ferrari.

    • @grunchlk
      @grunchlk Місяць тому

      @@WaelAli-sd8sw I agree with you there, but those are consumer brands. Industrial procurement or investment works differently. No purchaser cares whether Haas F1 does well, they need a product tailored to their needs, efficient, possibly with affordable financing etc.
      If Haas sold fridges or computers or mobile phones or supercars, I would 100% agree with you. Then again, I could be completely wrong, but that's what I think.

  • @namelessviewer
    @namelessviewer Місяць тому +3

    That black HAAS/GR livery does look hot though...

  • @Kurz_Weber
    @Kurz_Weber Місяць тому +2

    One thing to consider is that TGR has enjoyed a big relationship with DMG Mori (CNC machinery) and so that would be binned for HAAS collaboration.

  • @jordez1
    @jordez1 Місяць тому +3

    We have been waiting for Toyota to be back in a world stage competition. Thank you Mr. Toyo👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @richrodriguez6543
    @richrodriguez6543 Місяць тому +3

    Never-mind all that, give us Andretti / Cadillac

  • @Colonel042
    @Colonel042 Місяць тому +9

    Stewart-Haas is leaving Nascar. That might be why this happening, and possibly could mean more investment in the F1 team, especially considering the rising value

    • @rowen42069
      @rowen42069 Місяць тому

      Haas is still staying in nascar

    • @wraitheful
      @wraitheful Місяць тому

      smart investment

    • @AnomalousOne1401
      @AnomalousOne1401 Місяць тому

      Tony found a woman and went Drag racing. May he live happily ever after! Or close to it, at least?

  • @ChadSimplicio
    @ChadSimplicio Місяць тому +28

    The last segment is why Gene Haas must sell the team either to Andretti or in this case, Toyota.

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama Місяць тому +9

      What Komatsu seems to have done is borderline genius. The only way he was gonna get better facilities for car development was to find them lying around, because Gene was never going to invest the money to build his own. So... he did that. Haas gets better facilities meaning Komatsu looks better, and instead of costing anything it may be a ticket to a big money sponsor for the team. And Toyota gets back into the F1 game.
      He just won the whole pot even though he was only going to the river with a pair of deuces.

  • @openbabel
    @openbabel Місяць тому +3

    Its a possiblty that the LME engine would be converted similar to Audi LME drive train would be possible....Alpine would also be an another partner under consideration.

  • @shu6037
    @shu6037 Місяць тому +89

    was that glock tho

    • @herbertwilliams1608
      @herbertwilliams1608 Місяць тому

      What is your opinion of Ocon?

    • @d.s.2868
      @d.s.2868 Місяць тому +5

      Yeah, the one that created the human error champion “Lulu Pamilton”

    • @konkydong4212
      @konkydong4212 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@herbertwilliams1608 my opinion is simple "10 second time penalty"

    • @johnjohnrice585
      @johnjohnrice585 Місяць тому +4

      We are still checking

    • @johnjohnrice585
      @johnjohnrice585 Місяць тому +8

      @@d.s.2868one more time, without crying this time

  • @rearzone3979
    @rearzone3979 Місяць тому +7

    Toyota needs to join F1 and i wish they have their own works team

  • @ChrisHopkinsBass
    @ChrisHopkinsBass Місяць тому +28

    I always loved the Toyota livery

  • @Eeraz
    @Eeraz Місяць тому +1

    Could get interesting in the Future. I loved their livery’s and would be thrilled to see them Return. With a more Level headed approach and a good base like Haas I think it would be good for the competition to have Toyota back fully in a few years.

  • @MetaPat29
    @MetaPat29 Місяць тому +1

    side comment or detail that has its part in the puzzle. is that the NASCAR Sprint cup - Stewart-HAAS racing team will close it's operations at the end of 2024 after 15 years of operations - Another sign that Gene Haas wants to focus all his efforts on F1? to me, clearly yes.

  • @jontribble9593
    @jontribble9593 Місяць тому +2

    Let’s gooo WEC mentioned

  • @Jean.P.Cartier
    @Jean.P.Cartier Місяць тому +12

    Um didn’t haas extend their technical partnership with Ferrari to 2028? How will it work with Toyota

  • @jamespallister2031
    @jamespallister2031 Місяць тому +1

    If they say trust Gibbs to operate it and not have Nagoya interfere every 10 seconds it might work

  • @cheque612
    @cheque612 Місяць тому +1

    Kalle Rovanperä new F1 driver for Toyota Haas would be spectacular

  • @Maelthras
    @Maelthras Місяць тому +2

    Toyota will eventually buy Haas if this deal even starts, which will make Andretti furious and push the FIA to allow Andretti to join.

    • @johnpudney3550
      @johnpudney3550 Місяць тому

      If it meant that Yoda was on the pace sooner,it's a no brainer

    • @GENERALEVILANGEL
      @GENERALEVILANGEL Місяць тому

      That's exactly what FIA and Liberty Media told Andretti "If you buy a team, welcome. If not, then forget about getting into F1"

  • @justinedavidgonzales9645
    @justinedavidgonzales9645 Місяць тому +1

    Toyota Gazoo Haas Racing has a nice tone to it

  • @shadowwsk3507
    @shadowwsk3507 Місяць тому +1

    Sounds like someone on Toyota is trying to find a justification for keeping the F1 facility to the higher ups so the staff working in it won't get laid off

  • @xGUANdeLUPEx
    @xGUANdeLUPEx Місяць тому +27

    If Honda/Aston dont take Yuki on in 2026, I hope Toyota/Haas will consider him if they join forces.

    • @nicoblunck9803
      @nicoblunck9803 Місяць тому +13

      My guess is Honda‘s gonna bully Aston Martin to drop Lance and then Lawrence is gonna loose interest and Aston Martin will be up for grabs

    • @Destroyervn
      @Destroyervn Місяць тому +3

      ​@@nicoblunck9803sounds too good to be true but I hope you're right

    • @wraitheful
      @wraitheful Місяць тому +3

      I’m not sure Yuki impresses Komatsu…

    • @RoyMatzem
      @RoyMatzem Місяць тому +2

      Honda talked many times that they dont care where Tsunoda drives. They just want him on F1.

    • @twincam20mr
      @twincam20mr Місяць тому +1

      @@wraithefulAnd why would you think that ?

  • @Sohren
    @Sohren Місяць тому +1

    The more car manufactures the better. Also please add two more teams. More room for manufacturers and more room for drivers.

  • @dumpsterstu4474
    @dumpsterstu4474 Місяць тому +2

    Hass is my favorite under dog Toyota has great engine design so it is going to be really interesting!

  • @BluzRok46
    @BluzRok46 Місяць тому +13

    Talk about getting roasted hard in the comments. I get that it's an interesting bit of news but hollee hecc did this get busted real quick

  • @leoarc1061
    @leoarc1061 Місяць тому +1

    Is the Haas chassis still built by Dallara? If it is, it would make sense for it to change, and Toyota build the chassis instead. I think that it would be mutually beneficial. Toyota gets access to F1 technology, Haas gets a discount on its chassis going forward.
    I assume that Toyota has the facilities and personnel to meet such demand without being overstretched.

  • @timzy4395
    @timzy4395 Місяць тому +1

    If they can also get Andretti Cadillac in, then we'd have Mercedes, Ferrari, Ford, Audi, Honda, Toyota (technical side) and Cadillac

  • @makuthreesixty8228
    @makuthreesixty8228 Місяць тому +2

    LOL the start of the video is a jumpscare

  • @paulwood6729
    @paulwood6729 Місяць тому +2

    Potentially 7 powertrain manufacturers ... wow.

    • @salim_abid_
      @salim_abid_ Місяць тому +1

      Mercedes, Ferrari, RedBull powertrains slash Ford, Honda and who else?

    • @MBFC28
      @MBFC28 Місяць тому

      ​@@salim_abid_ Renault and Audi

    • @paulwood6729
      @paulwood6729 Місяць тому +1

      @@salim_abid_ Alpine & Audi make 6, plus potentially Toyota and GM have been barred by the FIA.

  • @abedfo88
    @abedfo88 Місяць тому +3

    Jarno Trulli and Timo Glock back in the paddock ?

  • @agonzo626
    @agonzo626 Місяць тому +1

    Damn that a good looking livery. I could see this deal going even further with gene haas switching to Toyota in nascar too

  • @IceCreamMan1909
    @IceCreamMan1909 Місяць тому +1

    Also, Haas already uses the same color scheme that Toyota does. 😅

  • @hueanao
    @hueanao Місяць тому +1

    Couple weeks ago I had an odd dream of Toyota in F1, and then this happens. That's nice.

  • @theSUBVERSIVE
    @theSUBVERSIVE Місяць тому

    Toyota's corporatism was almost their downfall, since then, Akio Toyoda was able to secretly start projects to show how it should be made and with the results, he was able to fight back against the director's board and investors. From that point on Toyota has changed and has successful projects and cars that got enthusiasts back.

  • @bumblebity2902
    @bumblebity2902 Місяць тому +1

    They a better head start because of the hybrid technology

  • @CrabNicolson
    @CrabNicolson Місяць тому +1

    Haas will still have 1 nascar cup team and and I think 2 xfinity teams next year. I wonder if they'll be racing toyotas.

  • @nunyabizness3001
    @nunyabizness3001 Місяць тому +1

    Liberty media won't allow it cause top 3 teams are scared of competition.

  • @JesusH.Tap-Dancingchrist7328
    @JesusH.Tap-Dancingchrist7328 Місяць тому +1

    2:33 Fat Brown crushing Ryo's hand

  • @scotttalkington323
    @scotttalkington323 Місяць тому

    Honestly, i think they should enter as a engine supplier, less money than a works team. I also would like to see them to team up with mclaren considering how they've been performing this season, and it's a fantasy I've had for the past year.

  • @Ever443
    @Ever443 Місяць тому +1

    Not going to happen with Haas, maybe McLaren. But probably neither.

  • @etcarief
    @etcarief Місяць тому +1

    A loophole for Toyota at cracking what makes Ferrari good at WEC

  • @selder_7
    @selder_7 Місяць тому

    It’s interesting because I thought the mission statement was get as close to Ferrari as possible (taking Bearman being a further commitment to that). This feels like a step in a different direction, on a path that Gene Haas will surely not want to fully walk down

  • @brendastevens1179
    @brendastevens1179 Місяць тому +2

    Haas would be great partnered with Toyota

  • @josehuaman6603
    @josehuaman6603 Місяць тому

    I always thought that Toyota could have returned as motor supplier in the 2020s, but with Mercedes, Honda and Ferrari supplying the majority of the teams it would be difficult for them to provide a powerful and reliable engine that can be a serious competition. It would mean supplying a team from the bottom of the grid that made 0 points. And in 2026 with RB/Ford and Audi supplying their own teams, it's more difficult than ever for Toyota to make a full return.

  • @charlespletzke8311
    @charlespletzke8311 Місяць тому +2

    Toyota Gazoo Racing HAAS F1 Team Ferrari would be nice

  • @blackhornetf
    @blackhornetf Місяць тому

    If Toyota wanted back into F1, they should have joined Redbull Power Trains like Ford did.Then they could have gotten experience with the electric side of Hybrids while slowly designing their own F1 power unit to go into partnership with another team or buy Haas down the track badged as Lexus.

  • @brokeafengineerwannabe2071
    @brokeafengineerwannabe2071 Місяць тому +3

    I didn't expect Komatsu's Japanese lineage to come into play like this. Also, Toyota's massive factory is surely an untouched potential for the past decade. Hope things will get interesting soon.
    Also surely Steiner wouldn't make such a move stick, so the change back then seems worth it.

  • @zjsz4954
    @zjsz4954 Місяць тому +1

    10:53 it’s hard to believe they pack these things up and ship them across the world every other week

  • @Bricefriha
    @Bricefriha Місяць тому

    For branding it would be massive too. Toyota has a huge print on the US automotive market. and more and more americans are interested in F1, which mean that a partnership with Haas (an american team) could actually allow Toyota to sell even more cars in the US

  • @serapeach6252
    @serapeach6252 Місяць тому +19

    if Haas becomes Haas-Toyota I'm gonna be a Haas fan I guess

  • @khairulridhuan8945
    @khairulridhuan8945 Місяць тому +1

    with Ayao as team Principal. why not? i love to see Toyota again in F1

  • @garyrodrigues7433
    @garyrodrigues7433 Місяць тому +1

    I had a feeling that Toyota was interested in getting back into F1

  • @mmww_
    @mmww_ Місяць тому +1

    That livery is a beauty

  • @X-Warrior.1119
    @X-Warrior.1119 13 днів тому +1

    Ironically 'Toyota' gave birth to the famous “BrawnGP”...

  • @dustinabigan2776
    @dustinabigan2776 Місяць тому

    Put simply that partnership could help Haas be more efficient in developing the car with the facilities while better standing on their own two feet. Of all the teams, Haas feels like the last team that does not have some clear major backing. As it is now it may not get more money-wise or would only get it incrementally, but the next best thing from there would be getting access to more advanced facilities and a technical partnership that it can work closely with.

  • @wraitheful
    @wraitheful Місяць тому

    Ferrari’s wind tunnel strangely doesn’t correlate to Haas’ data?!? I’d get out of there too! Toyota as partners sounds ideal. I’d give Komatsu whatever he and his racing friends wanted and wish them and Gene all the success in the world.

  • @chrisorr3919
    @chrisorr3919 Місяць тому +1

    They need to just start as an engine supplier...then buy an exisiting team..

    • @DeathBlocks
      @DeathBlocks Місяць тому

      That is a big investment. Would need some kind of guarantee that you will be purchasing the team.
      Can just get more and more involved in the team then buy or if needed manufacture own engine and buy.

  • @NJTRAF
    @NJTRAF Місяць тому

    It’s a shame they wouldn’t have Toyota engines, given what their engineers achieved via their Lexus brand with the Lexus LFA engine which is just a work of art

  • @mwaffi
    @mwaffi Місяць тому

    5:00 both markers are incorrectly placed with the one in Japan more obviously no where near the actual Toyota headquarters. Sorry for the nitpick, but since they are actually ""placed" somewhere (and not just in the middle of the country), it's a more glaring mistake :).

  • @CT37BN
    @CT37BN Місяць тому

    Buoyed by Honda's reverse decision to continue and partner w/Aston Martin and still be a major player in F1 is what I think Toyota's perspective to get back and partner w/ HAAS.

  • @johnh9200
    @johnh9200 Місяць тому

    Im surprised they didn't jump in at the beginning of the Hybrid era. They are eons ahead of the field with the Technology on the domestic market.
    I think it only benefit F1 & the Motor Vehicle industry in the future.

  • @Mazeboxx
    @Mazeboxx Місяць тому +42

    Toyota will be a sponsor
    Ok

    • @MuhammadNiz007
      @MuhammadNiz007 Місяць тому +2

      Nope they won't be, at the start it seems they will just work in partnership for experience and learning

    • @Mazeboxx
      @Mazeboxx Місяць тому +3

      @@MuhammadNiz007 Yep, they will be. At their maximum. Nobody just "works in partnership for experience and learning", how utterly ridiculous.

    • @DaybreakPT
      @DaybreakPT Місяць тому +1

      ​@@Mazeboxx You absolutely do when your billion dollar investment in F1 crashed and burned because of lack of knowledge in how F1 operates.

    • @bambam82914
      @bambam82914 Місяць тому +1

      @@DaybreakPT You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. First, Toyota is not looking at buying or setting up a team. And they didn't "crash and burn" because "lack of knowledge" whatever that is supposed to mean. You obviously don't know who they had hired.

    • @gerritmccormac
      @gerritmccormac Місяць тому +1

      @@DaybreakPT Why do you upvote your own comment?

  • @johncnorris
    @johncnorris Місяць тому +1

    Could Haas just want to start using Toyota's wind tunnel?

  • @charlespletzke8311
    @charlespletzke8311 Місяць тому +1

    Given that Haas extended their technical partnership with Ferrari until 2028 this seems unlikely to be anything more than title sponsorship (not even technical partnership) until then if they were to partner with toyota

    • @chrismaina1830
      @chrismaina1830 Місяць тому

      Wind tunnel? Manufacturing?
      Suspension parts?
      C'mon brevv

    • @charlespletzke8311
      @charlespletzke8311 Місяць тому

      @@chrismaina1830 which they just announced they’d keep getting from Ferrari until 2028, hence technical partnership not just engines

  • @w1ld51
    @w1ld51 Місяць тому +1

    At least colors won't have to change.

  • @stephenson102
    @stephenson102 Місяць тому

    No sure why you Brits or mainly F1/FIA hate on Gene Haas so much. 9 teams and 18 cars on the grid without him. Even though the financials got tough he didn’t pull out (like a huge manufacturer could or WOULD have done). He doesn’t need a board members approval to spend the money he is on F1 or any kind of racing. Something to think on there..

  • @MarshallLeviathan
    @MarshallLeviathan Місяць тому +2

    “i” “would” “love” “to” “see” “Toyota” “come” “back” “to” “F1”

  • @ZontarDow
    @ZontarDow Місяць тому

    I think the treatment of Andretti and GM has done more to make Toyota reluctant to dive right back into F1 then their previous performance. F1 doesn't want more suppliers and makes no secret of that fact.

  • @z-ro34
    @z-ro34 Місяць тому +1

    My favorite team coming back? Yes please.

  • @heavenswords
    @heavenswords Місяць тому

    wanting to have a Toyata power unit in F1 competing with other!. DREAMING HERE!

  • @Lionlover666
    @Lionlover666 Місяць тому

    Honestly, Gene should seriously consider fully selling Haas F1 to Toyota.
    He's only ever lost money on it and if Toyota wants it let them have it and save his money.

  • @tomgill8289
    @tomgill8289 Місяць тому

    Ed, Mark, Gary, I have some fears about these new 2026 regs that I’d like to put to you. May just be me that sees it this way…..
    So, theoretically if you can drop top-body drag on the straights you can afford to pile top-body downforce on for the corners without the usual penalty on overall lap time. Best of both worlds if you will, but all based on top-body downforce. Monaco wings for the corners, Monza spec for the straights.
    My fear is that this would mean cars that can follow less well than they do now as the downforce split relies more on top-body downforce for ultimate lap time than they do currently. Plus, the leading car will drop the drag before the chasing car and will be accelerating away sooner. If the chasing car has already lost ground in the corner due to turbulent air it would seem that a serious power boost would be needed to catch up, a lot more than is currently planned.
    Red shells may be the only workable solution to this!

  • @Duval-In-The-Wall
    @Duval-In-The-Wall Місяць тому

    Bring back the beautiful red/white design

  • @eliash8903
    @eliash8903 Місяць тому

    Toyota got me into F1 2002. As their only F1 fan I would love to see this happen! RIP Påven! Also sign Trulli and Kobayashi!

  • @T_Mo271
    @T_Mo271 Місяць тому

    It isn't clear at all how this would work. Haas is a customer team. They get most of the car by buying Ferrari parts. No way Ferrari is going to supply parts to a Toyota-backed team. So where does Haas buy their parts unless Toyota is essentially a manufacturer team?

  • @jinzo2678
    @jinzo2678 Місяць тому

    Well, it's not really a stretch that Toyota wants to team up with a team that had NASCAR ties since that's also a series they are in.
    This would look good on Haas since other teams have been pointing at them for supposedly copying Ferrari at times, and it would effectively change their status as a Ferrari copyer.