CRISPIN FAILING UPWARDS | House of the Dragon 2x02 REACTION/COMMENTARY| "Rhaenyra the Cruel"
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The scene with Rhaenyra and Daemon and the one with Otto and Aegon, omg.
I can only quote Oprah: "YOU GET AN EMMY! YOU GET AN EMMY! YOU GET AN EMMY! YOU GET AN EMMY!"
Stupid writing great acting
@@queenxx1690 Nahm the writing is on what is the context
@@daredevil6145 what ?
The parental trauma on the greens kid is so openly visible in this ep. Aemond with mommy issues , Aegon with daddy issues , helaena's feelings bluntly ignored even while shes grieveing the death of her child. Uggghhh.
To be fair, it's understandable of Aegon to not want to deal with anyone while he is greaving. Sure we feel for Heleana and we know that's what she needs, and want. But sometimes you can't be strong for others.
Intelligent, perceptive, insightful, empathetic, clear moral compass, expressive, clever sense of humor.
🏆 Still. *Best* *Reactor* . 🥇
She really is the best reactor, nothing passes them
Crispin failing upwards needs to be a case study!
He was born a commoner and got into the Kingsguard based on his fighting prowess alone. He won a major tournament.
You can dislike Cole, but he has earned his position more than Viserys, Rhaenyra, Aegon, Daemon or Aemond, who only have power because they were born into the right family. They never earned it, they were just given it at birth.
Really don't like this whole "failing upwards" line that people are copying from each other ATM. It's just not true.
@@frankvandorp2059 he earned the right to be the hand of the king? Don't think so. I agree he earned his position to be a member of the kingsguard. He did not earn the title of lord commander because of his valor. He earned it simply because lord commander westerling chose to remove himself from the greens treachery which left the spot open and alicent favoured cole to fill in the spot. He has been failing in all aspects since season 1. Killing Joffrey at the wedding, refusing to train the children equally, killing a small council member and then raising his blade against the lord commander. He was quite literally absent when jahaerys was decapitated.
@@frankvandorp2059 He also was dishonorable many times and probably should be dead for the things he's done lol thats why ppl feel he's failing upwards.
@@frankvandorp2059don’t bother dude, these people are marvel fans “black good, green bad”
@@Birdflaps20 the guy above wrote facts
32:44 Daeron Targaryen: 4th child of Viserys and Alicent. Book readers noticed that in the beginning title sequence last season (in the later episodes)there were 4 blood lines that came from Vyseris and Alicent's line. Daeron was raised in Oldtown instead of King's landing as a squire of Lord Ormund Hightower, Otto's nephew (Ormund was mention in the previous episode and hes the son of Otto's late older brother who we saw twice last season). He's Jace's age.
It's written Viserys*
@@Alejojojo6 Fixed
Nailed it, they are his sons
Is ormund the head of the hightowers?
@CougheePls Yes. Otto mention him in the small council scene in the previous episode. He's the son of (the now late) Hobert Hightower, Otto's elder brother.
The way you're laughing about Otto and then as soon as Criston talks you're pissed 😂
She's jealous; Christon has an excellent tongue game.
Daeron is Alicent and Viserys' youngest child. He is the same age as Jace (he was born between the ep 5 and 6 time skips. The Hightowers sent Daeron to Oldtown to be a ward of Otto's older brother. Interesting fact is Daeron and Jace were raised together as babies (milk brothers), Viserys hoped they would be loyal to each other.
This show really failed at introduction of some characters
@@queenxx1690:
Not really; the fact that Daeron is detached from the happenings in King's Landing at this point is part of it all.
He won't be the same age as Jace in the show I don't reckon. I think he'll be the same age as Luke.
8:42 "That was it? I wanna see more!" Yep, true fan 😅
Note Aegon gave the murderer a quick death. Relatively lenient, all things considered.
this was some joke we should have see him torture him
@@queenxx1690 Americans cheering for torture means that the post-nine-eleven See Eye Aee prøpⱥgⱥndⱥ worked beautifully. "24"
We used to believe, *rightly* , that torture is _ALWAYS_ Evil. Illegal. Unconstitutional.
"1984" was prophecy.
Aegon, Rhaenyra, and Otto owned the hell out of this episode.
Duty was the death of love for Erryk and Arryk.
After the Blood and Cheese incident, rat catchers were banned in the Red Keep and replaced with cats. That's why Arya had so many cats to catch when training with Syrio Forel, her dancing master.
6:34 The actor Rhys Ifans, who plays Otto, said exactly that in the behind the episode video. Otto knows Rhaenerya didn't do this.
I mean, it doesn’t matter. She is still responsible for crimes committed in her name. When Lord Karstark murdered the Lannister boys, Robb didn’t send him off on his own journey with a slap to the wrist. He publicly executed him and released other Lannister prisoners in reparation. That Rhaenyra didn’t even punish Daemon is laughable and makes her an accomplice to his crime.
@@rakdar1714and how did that end up for Robb? Lost his men, and lost his family, lost the war. Why would she kill her husband and best soldier? Lol
@@stephanielomeli6950 then don’t claim she isn’t equally responsible
Matters not lol. Her side did this. That in itself shows weakness that she can’t control her own side. Unfortunate but true.
@@rakdar1714 Robb Stark was a MORON!
i read that some "fans" who hate Cole so much that thye are attacking Fabien Frankel on social media.
Same thing happened with Olivia Cooke, Tom Glynn- Carney before.
Crazy to see that people can't separate fiction from reality.
Same thing happened to Bethany as well who plays Baela. She got death threats.
@@Anakin_skywalkerr_that’s not the same, with Bethany it’s plane and simple bc of racism which is way worse, with Fabien it’s only bc they hate his character and can’t deferentiate real life and fiction lol which is not personal
@@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776I don't think there are black people in the books, tho.
@@wooshbait36 I never said there was
@@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776 So it's not racist people that complain, only anti-woke people.
Alicent turning around and leaving her crying son without a hug was her way of saying "I do not wish to hear of it" 😂
She doesn’t know how to comfort Aegon since she never had parents that could comfort her. Kinda sad
@@alexking988 she can still choose to be different and be a good mother. we all make choices in life
aegon clearly wanted a moment alone. it would solve nothing to interrupt him and inflame his temper. sometimes i would want to be left alone if im crying
@@corsicanlulu she is a good mother and i think you know it. you're just trying to make her look bad
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 a good mother lol? u must be team green lol
You’re the only reactor I’ve seen compare how the two families deal with the loss of a son, and I think that’s a really powerful dichotomy.
I don’t think there’s much of a difference directly without talking personalities. Rhaenyra wanted Aemond, and Aegon wants her - believing the blacks ordered it. Both were ready to go to war as well.
@@LS13. at their cores they both want revenge but there is definitely a difference in how Otto uses it as a publicity opportunity, granted that at Dragonstone that isn’t really an option so would be interesting to see how they would each respond if their locations were swapped.
Brother against brother, when two families are on the brink of war? Poetic
Aegon, "My hand will be a steel fist."
Cole, "Yeah, in your mom. "
😂😂😂
No problem, Aegon is a Targaryen.
You know, because there are no more ratcatchers in the city the rats become a real problem. So Otto ho still was hand in that moment brings to the Red Keep 100 cats, thats why in Game of Thrones Arya was chaising all those cats who where the descendents of that cats.
Wow, that is very interesting ! makes sense
Would be hilarious if they showed a scene where Otto brought 100 cats to the red keep after he found out about the ratcatchers😂
Strange you'd think you were the only one who hated Cole for his actions this episode, I've heard people say he's more hated than Joffrey or Ramsay. It's basically universal.
The Arryk assassination mission was actually a brilliant idea.
24:55 is the biggest turnaround in emotions when Crispin opens his mouth
sofie: first i laughed, and then i serioused
don't worry sofie, most people have been hating criston since season 1 😂
The parallels between Daemon’s departure from Dragonstone and soon Otto’s departure from Kingslanding show the divisions in the Black and Green camps.
Yeah so Daeron is Viserys and Alicent's 4th kid who was raised in Oldtown and has not been mentioned until now :P
no, he was already mentioned in season 1. But very briefly
@@mimmo4762 Where? Which episode? They dont mentioned him. They only said in ep 10 that the greens have 4 dragons, which means they included that of Daeron but that's about it.
@@Alejojojo6 they never said his name, but they talked about a son who lived in Oldtown. And they also counted another dragon. But if you really think I am going to rewatch a whole season only to convince you, you really think too highly of yourself.
Of course, I could remember incorrectly, but if it is so important to you, rewatch it yourself.
@@mimmo4762 I have watched the whole season like 20 times already and in no time they mention a son in Oldtown, I will know and so would the fandom. Just as suspected, If you knew for sure, you would at least know where or when more or less it was mentioned. But since you have no idea, that alone proves you're unsure of it and you thought you hear it when in fact he isnt mentioned.
Kinda strange you are the first person I've seen, saying he was mentioned in season 1... The dragon is the only hint made by Daemon in ep 10, that's all just as I pointed in my previous comment.
Matt smith put the demon in Daemon
32:45 - Lol, I don't blame you for not knowing. Daeron is Alicent's youngest son. He was visible in the opening intro of season 1, but other than that he hadn't been mentioned yet. He's in the book but for some reason they chose to not mention him until this episode.
I would rather be manipulated by Otto Hightower than to have Larys/Criston as my hand.
24:58 that switch was too funny
To be fair to Otto, he wasn’t there during Aegon’s formative years. He was in Oldtown.
Also, being Hand of the King is not a title, but an office. There was a Kingsguard who served as Hand before, namely Ser Ryam Redwyne under King Jaehaerys, who we actually saw in Season 1 back in the beginning. He was the old Kingsguard whose death opened the vacancy filled in by Crispin in Episode 3. In a way it’s ironic that Crispin becomes Hand, like Ryam before him
i've been watching your videos for a very long time and i wanted to say i love your reactions and your accent + you're super pretty!!!
Curiously, being a member of the Kingsguard does not prohibit holding the position of Hand of the King. In the first season, Robert threatens Ned with giving the badge to Jaime if he rejects it.
Thank you for continuing the great ser crispin insult daemon came up with. 🤣🤣🤣 It’s better name then he deserves
It’s more than ok to hate him. Actually you and most are slow to it cause he’s been the worst since his ridiculous offer to flee the country with rhaenyra.
If you want a deep dive into the significance of the brother on brother kinslaying I highly recommend this video from the Disputed Lands channel. It will have more significance for someone who has read the books or is somewhat familiar with the in-world history and lore. But it is a great look for anyone into George Martin’s use of real world mythology including Authurian lore and Celtic mythology for his created world of ASOIAF. And it has some great clues as to the original sin that caused the imbalance of seasons in this world, and how that needs to be resolved in order to heal this created world’s ills.
Otto: "Thinking of oomf Vizzy T...I miss you big dragon :( "
I realized what my problem was when I watched House of the Dragon. At the level of sensations, I cannot join Rhaenyra, because for me she is not real. Such characters in fan fiction are usually called Mary Sue - an ideal image without flaws, who can do absolutely everything, their thoughts are as pure as babies, and their talents outshine the people around them. A perfectly sculpted doll. The only time I really felt it was during the farewell scene with Lucerys. Emma Darcy's performance is phenomenal, but throughout Rhaenyra's entire storyline I see a huge disconnect between how the woman acts and what is actually happening around her. The latter applies to all the characters in the series, but they are closer to me because they are not ideal. In this regard, Game of Thrones makes me nostalgic. There were no ideal characters, each had their own sin, their own weaknesses, but this was the main charm - the feeling that they were all alive, and their conflicts turned out juicy. And in this series, almost all the characters were purposefully dumbed down, and the now trademark “I didn’t mean to, it’s a mistake” was added. There is no conflict, there is Mother Teresa and 33 fools who jump around her, getting drunk, having sex and killing. I'm sorry that this is the only way the writers could show a strong woman - completely nullifying the intelligence of her competitors and adding political subtext from the real world.
This feels extremely wrong to me. Rhaenyra is so far from perfect that I might say her only virtue is a 20/20 hindsight and less selfishness than the average player. Still much more egocentered than Viserys and Rhaenys and even than Alicent, whose sin is hypocrisy.
Rhaenyra in her youth was *really* dislikable. A spoiled child so spoiled she seemed completely disconnected from the reality of her position.
She could have avoided this conflict many times over had she *not* mothered not one but THREE bastard childs.
She never took her succession seriously until very very late in her life. If she had, she would have traveled to meet lords and make friends instead of mocking them and then sending her children to make demands of them.
I guess if you find Rhaenyra to be a paragon of virtue, that's cool and all, but I don't. I think she is good, specially compared to the alternative, and her adult incarnation is great at scolding people and not acting. But she is FAR from flawless and that's great for the story. She is simply NOT as right about the situation as her tone would make you believe.
"Can I openly hate him? Is it a common thing"
One of the recommended videos to the right is "The bar HATES Criston Cole!" from SeanTank Topp's channel.
Yeah, everyone hates Cole lol.
i don't like how they used dog for people to feel bad for Cheese and he also kicked him
Criston CAN be Hand of the King, it's a job, not a title. Plus, other members of the Kingsguard have, Ryam Redwyne, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard who dies in-between episode 1 and 2 in Season 1, replaced by Ser Harrold Westerling as Lord Commander, and whose death leaves the vacancy which Criston Cole fills.
“Crispin”…”middle finger”…I just love the nicknames! Also, Crispin Cole is one of the most hated characters in Westeros! Another great reaction! ❤
Otto misses Viserys all of sudden because he was easy to manipulate.He called out Aegon that he do not think of his father but he done not know him at all he did not care about Aegon so why should Aegon care about him ? He is creator of TG yet he destroys it ? it makes no sense book wise
Oh Sophie.. as sharp as always😄
Don't worry. Everybody hates Cole.
33:58 Just because Cole is the hand doesn't mean he isn't a Kingsguard. Their oaths are for life.
Otto Hightower, mastermind of medieval populism and narrative control... As a political animal, his approach is even more dangerous than Tywin Lannister's. I love Rhys Ifans in that role. By the way, I would like to mention the great job of director Clare Kilner and the photography crew in episode 2, which was so effectively and beautifully shot, so full of visual metaphors that I was astonished.
It was not his brother's threat that drove Deamon to act so recklessly now, at his own peril. It was not a threat, but a done deal. That's a difference. The reinforcements would have come, were already on their way. So Deamon had no other choice. The alternative would have been a considerable loss of honor in Deamon's eyes. He would have been seen as weak, who could only win with the help of his brother. So he goes and either makes himself a legend or dies in honor.
Alicent on that ole Cole Pole.
"I know how it's gonna end up" was funny reaction
Everyone on the greens I find so interesting, even Aegon and his stupid choices. BUT FUCKING CRISTIAN COLE that man sends me into anger
Oh honey it IS a common thing. We all hate Crispy
It's not just you; everyone hates Cole 😅
Fabien Frankel is amazing at making you hate the character!
Also Tom Glynn-Carney (Aegon) & Rhys Ifans (Otto) absolutely chew their scenes together. This episode felt like theater at some points; There are some scenes of dialogue I would absolutely see performed on stage.
I just wished they made Cole a more nuanced character instead of going the Ramsay route and make him as unlikeable as possible.
In the books it's mentioned that he trained young Aemond every day, for years on end, to learn him to fight with one eye. It's suggested he became a sort of surrogate father figure to Aemond.
Imagine how much more interesting Criston's character would be if they had included a scene like that in the show, of Criston being kind and fatherly to a child who just went through a tragedy. We would actually be conflicted about him, instead of just mindlessly jumping on the hate train together.
@@frankvandorp2059
Ramsay was entertaining to watch in his evil doings, he revelled it
However, Cole is pathetic
Having read the book Fire & Blood it was amusing to see non-book readers fall for the handsome, dashing Criston Cole in the beginning of season one, just like Rhaenyra does.
I wonder if the kids head did fall off again at the procession. It's certainly look like it was building up to that and then it cuts to Rhaenyra getting a report that the boys head was severed from the body and that thousands were at the procession. Like at first it kind of tricks you into thinking nothing happened and rhaenyra is just getting a report of the murder but if that were the case why would those two sentences be back to back unless the head was severed again at the procession
There you are, Daeron, you sneaky kid! =)
Yes, Viserys and Alicent had 4 children, not 3. Daeron spent most of his life in Oldtown with the Hightowers and studying at the Citadel. He rides Tessarion, the Blue Queen.
i actually loved the scene where aegon destroys Viserys lego set. Viserys was a weak king and bad parent. He doomed his family. Hope he is burning in hell.
Viserys and Rhaenyra destroyed everything.
That lego set took Viserys 20 years to make. It was cruel XD
You do know these aren't real ppl right??? lmaooo
Viserys spent more time with his legos than he did with his children, can’t blame Aegon for destroying it😂
@@user-xj3gx5tc6vRhaenrya was just born to be the wrong gender. This isn’t her fault that the idiots didn’t want a woman ruling them.
Rahnyra had no problem sending Baela but she had problem sending Jace
“Who the fuck is daeron.” Only if you knew girl.
Heh, that look at 34:23. Pretty obvious where that was headed indeed.
Welcome to the essence of every civil war ever: neighbour against neighbour, father against son, and brother against brother...😥😞
He can hold titles… he already does „Lord Commander“!
The words of the vow just exclude them from holding the title bound to land… so he couldn’t be the lord of Harrenhal for example while serving! But the Lord Commander already serves in the small council, he can also SERVE as Hand of the King at the same time
Ser Ryam Redwyne, the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard that we briefly saw in the very first episode of season 1 also served as the hand to King Jaehaerys for a very very short time just to name another case, Ser Marston Waters, a bastard and Kingsguard to another King Aegon, Ser Barristan Selmy serves Daenerys as Hand and Lord Commander when she leaves Meereen on Drogon
BOOK SPOILER:
Alyn and Addam are Laenor's bastards in the book. But they seem aged up in the show, so they could be Corlys' instead
I believe Daemon, I think those clowns made the decision on their own so the could get paid. "No head no gold".
Bro said A Son for a Son multiple times lol, he may have not worded it by the name but he insinuated it GREATLY. They even said his answer to their question, “a son for a son, he said”- the only “sons” there that matter are Aegons. There is literally no other option.
This man literally questioned Rhaenyras reign this episode and you guys still worship him as a semi decent person. He’s not. Amazing character. Absolutely horrible as a person though.
Mysaria tells Rhaenyra how she gained everything but Rahnyra will never understand because she never worked on anything in her life she gained everything because she is royal and daddy gave her everything she wanted
that's how royal families work. same with aegon. both got handed their roles.
Ive been saying this for the longest daemon and Otto r two side of the same coin. They are upset with their kings and queens because neither listen to them, they both want to be in control, and when they not in control they both over step.
The only difference between them is that they use different tools to attack their enemies. Daemon uses the blade and otto has his tongue.
Anyone else notice the parallel with rhaenyra calling out daemon manipulation in this episode like how Alicent confront Otto with his manipulation in episode 9.
Criston plan actually almost worked if the white worm wasn’t there I feel rhaenyra would be dead. I also feel like the writers just want to make criston n alicent look in a bad light with how they r writing these characters.
Looking forward to ur future videos.
He is Criston
Yeah but daemon purposely called him Crispin to mess with him and its stuck, we all know his name
Technically he still is lord commander and still has oaths he has always ignored while being a hypocrite like Alicent. People can be hand of the king and have other titles. Like hand and lord commander or hand and a maester.
Helaena sees ashes over king's landing. They're doubling down. Kings Landing is definitely gonna burn if Georgr lives long enough to release A Dream of Spring.
I don't think thays what that means its ether foreshadowing for the riot or it actually just doesn't mean anything I highly doubt it has anything to do with season 8 nonsense.
I think in the books King's Landing will burn, but the situation will be completely different. And Helaena may see something else
@@beden653 yea I don't think halaina is seeing some future event that's related to the main story.
Lord commanders have been Hands a few times in Westerosi history, but I think Cole was the first🤔
Crispin? Is this the timeline where Marty McFly goes back and finds his great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather and saves him from being bullied by Biff Baratheon? 😂
Most families are pretty fucked up, but this one really takes the cake!
RIP Ser Erryk, the best of one of the best packs
RIP Ser Arryk, better than Crispin.
i've openly hated him since season one.
Say what you want about Aemond and his weird mommy issues, I'm just glad the woman he went to talks sense to him and doesn't feed his impulses.
Makes sense why he falls for Alys Rivers later when they meet
daeron is coming heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
SoFie, the two deaths were different. Luke's death could be seen as a battle in the skies of two dragons and their riders. Unfortunate but still, Jahaerys' death is a little boy being killed in his bed and his head hacked off. The people cursed Rhaenyra as you saw. Even the members of her own council thought she did it. Otto made the right call.
No they were not different. Luke was hunted like a dog and killed in coldblood, just like Jaeherys, they were both children, one was just way younger.
@@marleymarsssone is 14/15 flying in a dragon trying to take potential Allies from you. The other is 5 sleeping in it’s own bed. If you see no difference here you’re lying
@@Birdflaps20 he was flying as a messenger, which is protected under Westeros laws, which is why Lord Baratheon told him to leave. He was stalked and hunted by a 200 yr old dragon and chomped to pieces….im not saying one is worse, im saying both young princes were killed in cold blood
Yes Rhaenyra is like Viserys that's why she would be shitty Queen like he was King .Aegon look more like Viserys but is nothing like him while she is nothing like Viserys but behaves just like him and she tuned out to be coward just like him that's why Daemon is so disgusted she no longer is interesting to him .
Criston, not Crispin.
She knows
"First time I totally get otto"
Otto has been correct in everything. You only care when he criticizes again
No he isn't correct in everything
.lol😂 u need some medicine for that delusional brain of yours...
No, he's a monster and a bad actor as well.
@wooshbait36 He's a schemer, yes. Monster? No. And the actor is arguably the best on the show so that's nonsense.
He hasn't been correct in everything, he has been correct for his agenda yes but his motivations are wholly self serving
@@wooshbait36 Bad Actor??
wth
and IGN gave this a 7 and acolyte episode 5 a 9 what a disgrace
Ign not important
IGN are bribed shills.
In my opinion, Daemon was sincere when he said that the child was not the focus, a son by a son could literally be about Aegon, especially because when Aemond was not found, the people in charge went after Aegon
The child was their decision. And daemon never wanted the throne, I think it was clear in the first season that daemon's problem was being respected and having trust and consideration
From his brother and now the same thing happens to his wife, so much so that I believe the way he will prove it will be in war. He loves his family, and that should never be questioned, +++
It's a shame the direction on the character is so dirty
@@Danielle-gl4jz exactly I totally agree with u... the director literally said she hates the character of dameon extremely so she portrayed him as a monster... disgusting but we book readers know he's perfect blend of darkness and light and is the favourite character of George r r Martin himself in the whole game of thrones universe.
No, if Daemon had wanted that, he would have said "Aegon" explicitly, not "a son for a son".
And we know this, because he already ordered them explicitly to go after Aemond. If he says "Aemond" explicitly, there is no reason to not also say "Aegon" explicitly. The fact that Daemon said "a son for a son" and not "Aegon" means that Daemon knowingly included Jaehaerys as a potential target.
Hii❤
i think when you go back the only time you hear daemon actually say "a son for a son" is the beginning of ep 1 when he was talking to rhaenys and then he was talking about aemond not the child. you heard blood say "that is not a son". obviously not saying he mightve not said it but its the fact that we actually dont reallty know what he said and its up to interpenetrate. i will say say whats kind of funny is say the assassination was successful and got aemond her reaction would be different of course but would they not still call her a kinslayer? and you are right about one thing, when the truth needs to come out he wont shy away from it because when asked he did immediatly admit yes i did send assassins for aemond as part of that plan he definitaly didnt lie about that although we did dance around if he wanted the child or not. sending assasins aemond was part of the plan yes, the child getting killed could defenitly have been a mistake that shouldnt have happened in the first place.
i think with daemon and the throne conversation is think they are dancing around a topic that shouldve been already talked about in S1. viserys knew him best and right after Aemma died and otto mentioned how daemon would not be fight because of his impulsiveness viserys said himself "daemon has ambitions yes but not for the throne" and when you actually have a scene between him and daemon you already see what he was concerned about and wanted, which was to be trusted enough to be made hand and not otto because daemon believed that he could protect him better than otto. i think for daemons character we know he loved his brother but held resentment for stirpping him as heir and banishing him (whether or not he wanted it or not) because you can still be upset about loosing something if it was rightfully yours even if you cared for it or not.
yeah but killing an adult vs a baby makes the situation be waaaay different. Since well aemond is also a kin slayer by murder of luke and that seems to not have affected anything really, so yeah I think that's why.
@@toria6719 i think it was easy for them to call her a kinslayer but not aemond it makes you think what does the kingdom actually know about lukes death and what happened. they didnt have much or a reaction about his death last ep but only now because the wheels on the other side we only now see regret and shame from aemond because it happened to them now knowing the assassins was specifically there for him
No, it's not up to interpretation. He explicitly named prince Aegon to Blood and Cheese. Then later on, Blood and Cheese mention the phrase "a son for a son", a phrase they only could have gotten from Daemon.
This means this is something Daemon said AFTER that, after they asked what to do if they couldn't find Aemond. And it didn't just refer to prince Aemond, because Daemon already gave them explicit instructions about him.
So this is clearly in reference to any son, not just Aemond.
In the books Alyn and Addam are bastards of Laenor. Which is still possible in the show even though Laenor wasn’t into women
Aegon isn’t a fool though… yes he hasn’t yet learned, but he knows the small folk are important, and he did show power with the rat catchers. You need love and fear just as he said, to rule. That’s the only way to be sure he gets the right one (Halaena being a witness wouldn’t work, and the knight could lie) the twin swap was kind of smart though, if not for the White Worm- it would have worked.
It wouldn’t have stopped the war. Criston was foolish to imply it would.
@@Iamsome61 killing Rhaenyra? It would, eventually, because no one wants to die if there is no cause. Sure there would be some revenge plots but in the end they arent going to continue to have war if there is no heir on their side. That was the whole point. Daemon might get fancy and choose to put himself on the pedestal but he is no ruler, things would fall apart fast
@@LS13. Jace is next in line. And you can bet team Black would rally with Daemon at the head. Killing Rhaenyra would not prevent war. It would ensure its raging.
@@Iamsome61 Jace is a confirmed bastard not a targaryen. I’d said they would rally behind daemon, but with his irrationality we already see his decisions at play, he’s a warrior not a leader.
@@LS13. confirmed bastard to who? Last person to say that lost his head. My point stands. Killing Rhaenyra would not prevent war. As if team black would just go fishing and say, “welp.”
How convenient of you to call out cristin cole and don't have anything to say to daemon who struked down a child except it was only a mistake , that's what called blind towards one
Aegon was merely a "product" of Viserys's classic medieval duty and requires of that time. The eldest son MUST be king. It doesn't matter what he wanted or not. His character is a typical spoiled prince. He's a bad king. As a child, Aemond was bulled (a pig instead of a dragon), so he learned a lesson about being strong and prepared to be bullied. But it’s hard to always be strong and he needed mother’s love and understanding. And this courtesan replaces it for him. Alicent failed in this role for both boys. So, we have this result.
"Aegon was merely a "product" of Viserys's classic medieval duty and requires of that time. The eldest son MUST be king."
On the contrary, Aegon is a product of Viserys NOT treating him that way. Viserys neglected him and never treated him as his heir, and the result is that Aegon is not only completely unprepared to rule, but also clearly has lacked a father figure in his life. In episode 1, Aegon clearly was trying to make up for both of these things, by preparing him to be his heir (although he was obviously way too young yet).
@@frankvandorp2059 yes, true. Vyserys didn care about Aegon as son, person. But before he decided leave throne for Rayneera, firstly Aegon was as heir. Aegon just like neglected toy, leaved for himself.
It’s very sad that the creators decided to move away from the book idea where both sides are terrible, and took Rhaenyra’s side and made her the main character, and removed all her bad deeds from the plot (killing her husband, and so on)
I haven't read the book but isn't it supposed to be unreliable anyways as it's written by a maester? Meanwhile, the show reveals how events actually occurred.
idk where this notion comes from that Rhaenyra kills Laenor in the book. The book doesn't even imply that she did that like at all? Laenor died in a duel. The only divergent theory was that DAEMON paid Laenor's lover to kill him, but none of the sources mention Rhaenyra as a potential culprit.
I think by this point in the story the only bad (?) thing Rhaenyra has done is murder all those Velaryons who called Lucerys a bastard. Which, in the book it's unclear whether her sons with Laenor are bastards or not so like ... her reaction doesnt seem that wild to me lol. And im saying this as someone who isnt even team black
The whole "failing upwards" talking point everyone is now repeating is tiresome. It's just not true.
As bad as Cole might be as a person, he has done more to earn his position than almost any other character. He was born a commoner and got into the Kingsguard based on his fighting prowess alone, he won a major tournament to get there.
Characters like Viserys, Rhaenyra, Aegon, Aemond and Daemon only have power because they were born in the right family and simply had everything handed to them at birth.
It's not that he didn't earn his place in the kingsguard. It's more that he continues to fuck up and break his vows then gets more power and promotions for it. Sleeps with Rhaenyra and kills Joffrey? Becomes Alicent's sworn protector. Kills Lyman Beesbury and threatens Lord Commander Westerling? Becomes the Lord Commander himself. Fails to protect Heleana and her children, sleeps with Alicent, and sends Arryk to his death? Becomes hand of the king. And I actually didn't hate Criston in season 1 despite everything.
@@joeloates1685 The first one wasn't a promotion, he just switched from being the sworn protector of one royal to another.
The other two are promotions, but the first isn't him failing to do something, it's him deliberately showing loyalty to one side and being rewarded for it. It's not "failing upwards" if you're not failing.
Only in this episode did he fail, but get promoted anyway. So it happened once that he got something he didn't earn.
For most other characters, literally everything they got, they never earned.
@frankvandorp2059 I get your point, but realistically, he should've been executed for the first two not switched or promoted. And he's now broken his vows with not one but TWO queens (assuming you consider Rhaenyra a queen).
@@joeloates1685 For the second, he absolutely would be executed if he fell into the hands of Rhaenyra, but why would the greens ever execute him for helping them? Maybe the scene would have been better if they had followed the books more closely, where Cole is actually the leading figure in that meeting giving the orders.
For the first, I agree we didn't get enough explanation for how Cole got away with slaying Joffrey. It made more sense in the books when it happened in a tournament and people were outraged by his brutality, but he couldn't be punished because it was technically legal.
@frankvandorp2059 The Beesbury scene made sense at the time but it was still a huge fuck up that could have had serious consequences for the greens. A lord of a noble house and a long serving small council member dying/disappearing mysteriously the moment Viserys dies? And even so, promoting a man with that kind of unpredictable anger and violence to Lord Commander is still pretty reckless, as Otto has just found out with the Arryk plan.
They’re spreading propaganda… but it’s also not though as it was the blacks who did it. Allicent not consoling Aegon PISSED me off… like WTH????
Female Varys doesn't exist she can't hurt you.
Female Varys : 21:50
32:44 Alicent never much cared for Daeron.
Alicent never much cared for her children. Only the idea of aegon being a king.
@@user_outtacomission Arrested Development
This a great show but not really a fun show, atleast we had tyrion or sam to lighten things up from.time to time
Cole plan was great but people would not admit because they hate Cole it almost worked she survived only because of luck
his plan was stupid. neither cole or aegon took into consideration that his twin could've easily changed his appearance since, or that the twin could be away or even dead. it was by luck that he even managed to enter the building. his twin could've literally been stood by the door when he showed up. cole made that plan simply because he was deflecting his own guilt and wanted someone else to blame and fix his mess. it's nothing to do with hating cole. also, it failed massively. it was never gonna work cause it was a dumbass plan.
@@cherryfreckle it was luck that she survived and twins always look the same since episode they appeared
Alicent ave 3 sons one of the did not see them yet
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Daeron is the only one from team green who would have made a good king!
I could write a full essay about Otto but I’ll keep it short and sweet as saying that. Otto is a hypocrite for saying that Viserys is a belonging and wise king, knowing that he is the one who started all of this, let me remind you that he was prisoning Viserys overtime causing him to die and he says he is loyal but all the things that he has done, was to have his own blood his grandson to rule the seven kingdoms, knowing that there is some who more suited to rule comparing to someone who doesn’t wants to rule.
Is daemon the most evil character after larys in show ?
why for avenging her son? there are no rules in war, a son had already died
@@teamxloadin3128There are rules in war. Sure, people often don’t abide by them, but why else do you think the term “war crimes” exists?
@@lynnraven6101 You're talking about real life, and even then, these are rules of modern times, not of the old. Read history, look at things done in the name of war. If your son died in the hands of the opposition and, in turn, their son dies, would you honestly feel bad? An eye for an eye.
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Because in modern times people invented a new level of gravity to dissuade at least some people from doing horrible things that they have always done since the beginning of human society.
@@teamxloadin3128In Martin's world, there is a taboo against killing relatives or killing while breaking a vow. So there are some rules
Sofie is having an issue understanding the concept of change of the guard and... you know... work shift hours.
Sweetie, people don't work 24/7.
It *literally wasn't* Criston's watch.
It *literally was* Arryn's watch.
Just because you hate someone, it doesn't make everything bad that happens their fault. 😅
doesn't matter it's his fault he not a regular kingsgaurd he is lord commander its his duty to keep watch that everyone's doing their duty or not.
it’s his fault regardless. he didn’t assign the nights watch. he’s in charge of the kings guard so. also this episode made it quite clear he was supposed to be on guard.
Arryk was with the king, Helaena did not have her own sworn protector after she became the queen, and this was Crispin’s fault
I know. It's amazing to me how so many reactors apparently have an intimate knowledge of the Kingsguard's work schedules. If only I had this magical power.
He says he had assigned the night watch to someone else. Do we know if he was telling the truth considering his behaviour since last season? If he did assign and no one was at the door he's doing a SHODDY job of being a lord commander. Still his fault. first of all he should have never been lord commander. He shouldn't even be in the king's guard after what he did last season, killing lord beesbury at the council. Alicent only kept him around cos he was loyal to her (out of spite for rhaenyra).
Why does everyone call him crispin?
Ser Crispin, wasn’t it? My apologies, I couldn’t recall.
Because that's what Daemon mockingly called him in S1 E2 when they met at dragonstone
That name given him by the rogue prince himself.
Ser crispy creme 😂
@@rickywilcox7358 Ser Christmas Coal.
Green actors superior but their characters have depth. Black ones dull and one dimensional