Man I hear your pain. But.... If I buy a fish (with or without proper images or knowledge about their health) I will keep em. I will treat em soo good that they will in return loook sexy as fuck! It works no matter how bad the fish are. If I bring em home. They are here to stay. Kinda sad you are giving up on them cuz they are not up to your quality standards.
Kinda late viewing this, but couldn't believe how many viewers gave it a thumbs down. The Tropheus I have seen are, like a lot of fish, nicer looking though not always as colorful when young. Fighting takes a toll on them. Maybe they were overpriced. Our local store sells 1/2 inch fish for $30 dollars. So maybe they weren't. Also, when large only the dominant male is going to really color nicely. I agree with those that said this lady was very generous in making it up to you. She is to be applauded for her understanding of possibly your very high expectations.
you should have kept them they were nice fish you could have bring them back to health the ugly cichlid given to me and I never gave it back I nursed it now I got a beautiful one in my fish tank I'm glad I never gave it back
I like how you inform people about the situation and what you would have done instead of, like so many people on the internet would do, "bash" on the seller and complain. It actually help people see what they need to look for if they want to buy "used" fish.
I would just make her return a bit of the money because the fish werent' up to quality. The fish would heal as much as they can and color up, and fatten up over time and with good care. I would just see it as good I could save those fishes atleast. But yeah we all want different things, I think you were to hard on the fish though.
Wow so disappointed, you rescued several animals, showed them how great life could be then dumped them because they were not pretty enough, how sad for the fish. My fish are my pets and no less so then my dog. They aren't trophies to be put on a shelf they are pets to be cared for. For a brief moment those fish had what seemed to be one the best people on the planet to care for them and now what? wonder how many of those are even alive now...
Unfortunately I do not have a messiah complex, nor do I have an unlimited amount of money. I would love to see your rescue efforts though because there are a lot of sick and needy fish out there.
I have taken many "rescued" fish from people who would have just flushed them if not for me so you are barking up the wrong tree there my friend and every dog I have ever had was a rescue, I donate regularly to Hope for Paws and a couple of other groups and I help a local rescue so is it ok if I comment about the care of those fish?
You are all missing the point.... You all care more about what these animals look like, they are trophies to you not animals, they are things, no different then a dresser or end table to you. One scratch and its it the trash with ya, I needed a prettier one.
Andrew Browne dont get down on yourself because others got mad you returned the fish lol just tell these people you were glad to get a refund and they should understand. sometimes the quality is not what we want that simple I myself dont own aquariums because I know it comes with lots of difficulty.. me I like to make koi ponds. lol
unless you are specifically trying to breed these fish and sell them to people who are going to judge them for their appearance and make a purchase accordingly, why not keep the fish and just nurse them back to health? even the healthy fish of this species aren't really all that pretty. but what does it matter? I have six little corydoras and they are not the prettiest fish but they have lovely personalities and I enjoy watching them socialize with each other
I don't think you should have returned the fish to her. She obviously didn't know how to care for them. What you should have done was had her return your money, given her back $20-$30 and kept the fish. Then tell her that returning the fish to her was most likely a death sentence for them and you would rehabilitate them, get them healthy again and give them a good home. If none of them died, you could return another small sum of money back to her but your time was worth money too and caring for sick fish takes money too. I know it's too late now. I hope those fish found a new home and weren't just flushed or worse......released into a local lake or pond.
no he doesn't has love for them. all he want is to get his money returned and buy another new batch of beautiful fish. probably for display tank, for other people to come and praise his beautiful fish. some people they keep animals because they want to watch it and let other to praise about it. some people keep animals because they love that animal. these people they care more on the love parts of the animals, and not for display. so you will see some people they love to keep so many juvenile fishes and cull the ugly one when they realize it, so that he can have beautiful fishes which make him proud. then you will see some people they keep some ugly fishes and some beautiful fishes and when you ask them, "why you keep those ugly fishes?" you will most probably start to hear them talking about the story of these fish, how he rescue them, how he felt pity for them when they are abused by the previous owners and so on. so there are always these 2 type of fish keepers. one for the display and proud. one for the love of that fish (like dogs and cats).
They're millions of fish, why keep ugly ones? There are 3-4 million dogs euthanized each year so should you give the sick ones a home or the healthy ones a home? Obviously the healthy ones should live and, unfortunately, the sick ones will be euthanized.
Of take full responsibility for your actions and learn to check your purchase before spending money on something fishy I would not have given you shit back it's up to the buyer to ask the right questions.
They pulled the old quick hood hand off. Straight up slapped your head sorry about that though. Always check the bag and say hell no to schwag. Yea if anyone ever has this happen and you show up and everythings ready to go and you can't check it leave.
Man I feel your pain which is why i am going back to Fresh Water loved Salt Water but can't afford a back up generator and to many damn outages due to it being HOT AS HELL.
From your video they don't look any different. I checked twice but I can't see any difference. If a fish has an eye problem maybe that's not so good but it seems to be swimming well. If your water quality is so good and you are feeding them good then a visually impaired fish shouldn't be such a big deal.
I know you got screwed out of your money, but a part of me wishes that you would have taken them anyway and nurtured them back to health because honestly, that woman could NOT do it on her own if they had gotten to that condition on her watch. (Btw i had to check twice that i spelled nurtured right because it looks rly fuckin weird when you think about it too much)
37712 well he didn't say different colors. He said the fish were getting their color.😊 I think he's talking more about the stripe on the fish. Cuz the second batch look more vibrant. At least the Orange stripe ok them. Have a good day!!!!!!
Sorry about the purchase :( Wouldn't they eventually heal and fatten up and look beautiful again? Also, no matter how thick glass is, tempered, etc, I just can't understand how so much heavy rock doesn't break the bottom lol Great tank!
I suspected that these fish had poor genetics, and the phenotype with the orange band was not going to manifest even if the fish were healthy. As for the rocks, I do double styrofoam. I support the bottom of the tank with it, and I also add some inside the tank on the bottom. It spreads out the load on the glass, and prevents any form of deflective load, which makes it safe. The sand also buffers out the dynamic load if I accidentally drop one.
tamonettX500 glass (or silica) is extremely hard... why are you surprised again? Glass is extremely hard but is also brittle... are you picturing him "dropping" the rocks in? glass does not handle impact well, but is extremely strong. how stupid can someone be?
Ok I get that you were unsatisfied, 100% feel ya but.... Give en 2-3 weeks and they will be exactly what you wanted. I'd do that as opposed to transporting them yet again especially since you made the decision brother.
Wow.. The seller is a much better person then me. After she drained her tank you expected her to hold them in what a bucket? So you pretty much killed the whole batch.
Sorry to hear, man - bummer. Especially after 3 hours total drive time. Sometimes this happens in the hobby.....I've bought off 2, 3 year old pictures in the past as well. Now I do thoroughly vet anyone I buy from, and now only reputable companies with proven track records. Great channel, great vids! Subbed and looking forward to following you! 👍
You don't seem like the kind of person that should have pets of any kind ... I sure hope your kids turn out perfect or next will be seeing a video on your $90,000+ mistake.
+Ricky Peacher Nice catch. A lot of beginners would've missed the difference, I'm glad you were able to tell and got your money back. Sad how careful one must be in their dealings with their fellow humans D:
Why? 3-4 million dogs are euthanized each year. Millions of dogs, that are healthy, are looking for a home. Not all these dogs will get a home. Of the dogs, who should live a life with a loving family? The healthy dogs.
Tropheus are a very very difficult fish to care for. there will always be a couple fish in a group that are beat up. the aggressive males chase and harass all the other fish in the group. I kept them for years and that group doesn't look that bad
dude you work for that money do t be afraid to check stuff out and make sure it's what you want. if a seller for anything is gonna rush your decision it's prolly a bad idea.
I would have asked for my money back too. I may have kept a few of the better quality fish but who is to say. I would have been rather ticked because a sick fish can contaminate the hole tank. I would always have a quarantine tank before introducing them to a community. I would say you made the right call.
I've had problems like this before. Purchased some Texas Cichlids, was told they wouldn't get very big. ( They are now the size of a baseball and still not fully matured.) I don't even have a tank big enough for them.
They look like an old colony (color washed out/sick looking is a big hint). I would suggest always trying to get juveniles for any breeding/display Tanks. Also if you MUST buy a colony of mature adult fish make sure there are fry/juveniles with them to prove they are not old and past breeding age. I think you were very lucky to get a refund hope the replacements are going well and love your tank.
people in the comment section really need to calm down... especially the ones that dont know shit about the hobby. when its about fish its all about the looks. you dont go to the pet store and pick out fish that you feel bad for or need to be rescued. you pick out fish that you like to look at. fish are very expensive pets so when you pay a x amount of money for a fish you want what you pay for. maybe he did not discard the fish properly but its understandable.
When I can afford I want to get a 55-80 gallon whatever is the best deal tank of schooling fish I'm thinking maybe silver dollars or things like that. Super excited almost there to afford a good deal I found.
I really don't think you know a lot about tropheus honestly but I have a few things I want to point out to you. If you keep all red Bemba tropheus then maybe you will see that vibrant red color more often. That red color does not stay with the fish as you would see with the duboisi head turn blue, it's not the same phenomenon. I recommend making it a species only tropheus tank. I had demasoni once in with my tropheus and it was overall a bad idea. Demasoni aren't even from Lake Tanganyika. Second I can safely say you got a stellar deal for that many tropheus! Full grown tropheus would run you around $50 a pop in my area and that's on the cheap end. Third you may not even have the right food for them. Not all spiralina flakes are made the same. Look for some that have paprika and garlic in it. They love to munch on big wet flakes from what I can tell. I suggest getting yours some Dainichi veggie deluxe pellets and veggie fx pellets. It's better than new life spectrum and helps flush out toxin from their long intestines. Hope your tropheus are doing better now. Best of luck!
Thanks for the comment. These fish are the Orange phenotype of the Bembas, not the red. That goes to show how poor their genetics were. Secondly, I kept a huge colony cohabitating with demasoni with both sets of Tropheus and they got along just fine. I did not observe a single conflict between the two. I did end up selling off all the demasoni to help pay for my Saulosi. Prices for fish can be highly variable, and it can vary depending on location and availability. Prescribing a price is really problematic. Lastly how does Dainichi “flush out toxins”? I’d love to know. Thanks
all that space and all you have is a couple rocks and a bunch of cichlids? that's criminal. If i had that much space, I'd create such an awesome aquascape, utilizing all the space
And I was annoyed when the 175 dollar canister filter I bought for 60 dollars wasn't up to par... I kept it though and am just replacing the tubing and all the intake/output pieces on a "3 month old pump"
Thanks Matthew. I have spent 4 years studying biology in University and I am trying my best to apply it to my channel, but the cool thing is there is always more to learn.
Unfortunately yeah they had to. I could not verify their genetics, and I could not handle the possibility that these fish could make it genetically impossible to look beautiful. I have to problem with (and actually enjoy) rehabilitating fish, these ones seems too high risk for me, especially because I have never kept Tanganyikans before.
Aquatic Logic i have raised tropheus for a long time.... they are very aggressive... they beat each other up until things get worked out.... keep changing the environment up.... they have to reorganize.
@@AquaticLogic I know this is a really old video, but i just gotta say.. "I could not handle the possibility that these fish could make it genetically impossible to look beautiful:.. this statement makes you look like an absolute asshole.. Will not be watching any more of your videos.
Contact the guy's in Lad Vegas that custom build tank's for a living. Brett, his brother - in-law, + family on cable t.v.'s ,"Tanked." They deal with what you had happen. NEVER STOP ASKING QUESTION's ! Don't get too disgusted with yourself. Edison finally invented a light bulb that worked. He made around 1,000 mistakes. He found 1,000 way's that don't work. Of coarse you gotta find the cheapest right thing's to do to have fish or whatever. Don't give up because of your mistake. You're human. No offense intented. Lesson learned. Like buying tobacco pipes or whatever on Amazon + eBay. Check stuff out 1st with question's, question's, question's. Pray about it too for the wise choices. I thought I was getting a standard size meerchaum tobacco pipe. 1 I ordered was fake. Rubber. They both were small. The 2nd is real.
I know this is an old video but for some reason it's just popped up on my youtube. I'm just going to have a look on your channel now to see what else is on there, and yeah, watching a video of the potential fish you want to buy is the way if you can't be there in person to take a look yourself
I was took on fish that looked the same , I'm not an aquarium guy but I had did a small remodel job for a guy that was a breeder and he gives me a 55 gal set up with about 15 of those , I went to local fish shop and asked them if they would be interested ? They new the breeder , and I only wanted credit to put more colorful cichlids in my tank , they looked fish up told me they could only sell for $7-$10 ea so they offered me $5 ea , I not knowing , sold them the fish , all about the size of yours , out of curiosity checked back 3 days later and they had sold half , had large sign up " special ,very rare , cherry spot trophious Mori $39.99" I had an argument that did no good , and never set foot in that business again , (fish man pet center )Springfield Illinois
You should dedicate your tank to either Tanganyika or Malawi lake species. I kept Malawi cichlids for over 25 years because I found the species from Lake Malawi much more colorful, easy to keep (they are very hardy), they are generally less expensive than Tanganyikans and they come in all different shapes.Malawi cichlids also have great personalities.
I started my first fish tank seven months ago and I have 3 tanks now one 90 gallon (Africian Cichlids) 40 gallon tank (angelfish, neon tetras, black longfin tetras and albino Cory Cats) 20 gallon Tetras and Cory cats
I get that 300$ is quite a lot, but I think I would keep them, just for their own sake. Its clear you are much better fish keeper than lady you bought them from. Think they would get better and be much happier with you.
I'm sorry , but I've always been told , look carefully on what you're buying especially with animals . I would have insisted there be light in the tank to you could check them out properly . She was pulling a fast one mate .
I think ppl r missing the point here. They are focused on how Andrew described them more than clear facts. He took them back because they were not what he was willing to spend money on.If the lady said, " These fish have health issues ".Then it would be up to him to make a decision . He was not given an honest opportunity. AKA deceit.
Well, at least she agreed to take them back. On a lighter note, about deceptive photos taken several years ago, don't you wish people, and not just fish (oh... wait.. never mind) would stop doing that on Facebook and dating sites?
Hey man those are cichlids... Give it two years and all of yours will start to look banged up as this is survival of the fittest. Go to and aquarium or zoo and check out the hippos/African penguins/fish from Africa and their cichlids have a more massive tank and much more room per capita. They are not a schooling fish at all and do not need to be with that many at close quarters. The only way to avoid your next problem as they are still small fish is create as many hiding places as possible and increase that live plant growth by fertilizing them with the fish waste/detritus material. It will just be war all the time. Changing rock placement frequently will make them change territories as well and can be beneficial. Get ready for natural selection in this fish tank, but get more rock/driftwood! I have made every mistake having tanks over the last 10 years and can give honest advice if you need. You’re doing great with the diet of them and I can tell that you honestly care about the fish with the passion I did when I first started out! Good luck & Hope this helps!
You really should keep them 2 more weeks. I get that u were screwed in the fish condition, but u should have kept the fish a little bit longer or give them to another fish hobbyist who can care for them instead of giving them back to her.
They act so aggressive towards one another. How large do they get? Also, the tank looks over stocked. I'm glad you got your money back. Maybe you can buy fewer fish and better quality. Good Luck.
I'm always curious about what happens after the video. Under the comment section, I read that she took everything back and you got a full refund. But what was the whole story behind it and after it? She wanted to get out of the aquarium hobby and that's why she sold them, or something else? Did she refill her tank and simply kept all the fishes? etc. etc.
To be honest I cant do much to delineate what happened after our reverse transaction. She took the fish, I got my $300 back, and I have not seen them re-posted for sale on the aquarium forum that we are both members of. She is still in the hobby with many, many, many tanks, but my suspicion is that she is having a hard time selling things now because word got out (to some extent) about what happened... And some of my friends watch my UA-cam channel ;-)
The seller was greedy but I think she did expect some bargaining. With fishes at this age and size. Expensive medications are definitely needed for this huge stock in treating parasite and bacterial infections. I wouldn't take it for over 50 bucks.
...small bemba looks ok but, when they grownup they orange colour get dirty, (dominant male kept colour most the time), that is why I got Kiriza right now
I do not understand why you got new fish. Why not help the other ones you had. Feed them well, give them a good home with good water and they should color up. What's the problem?
Two problems: 1. I over-paid for poor quality fish (I was mislead, and dont like wasting money). 2. Their inferior genetics will not allow them to "colour up". Genotype = Phenotype.
You have to be happy if your not happy it becomes a nightmare. Your new fish look nice an round. Sometimes thinks go wrong it how you respond that matters, good luck.
She was being really unprofessional. She should of let you see them in the tank first with clear water etc before giving them. Was obvious she was hiding something imo or was just trying to get rid of them. If it were me I'd of not taken them without seeing what they look like in her tank clearly first. I feel bad for the fish tho
Yeah, this happens a lot actually, i would say it is even worse with reptiles. With reptiles like Leopard Geckos and other, people seem to think that the pets need no exercise or ability to move in the tanks, and they don't buy proper or breed their own food for them to properly give them the nutrition the pets need. Pet abuse is extremely common, even with people who consider themselves to be pet lovers or even remotely caring people.
Faith Castillo me and my fiance got 2 senegal bichirs from a fish store called fish frenzy we didn't notice until we got home but one the bichirs had a small Fin like nemo and the other had a deformed fin on the same side we decided to name them nemo and nemA since one is male one female the female the larger one Finn is still deformed but growing still and the smaller male left Finn is still muxh larger then the right but both fish sleep together and live happily and we are fine rather there fins fix or not there family now... They both have grown 4 inches bigger and there deformed fins does not bother us or the other fish in the tank you my friend got fish for show not for a hobby
Fish with inferior genetics (like the ones I returned) will never have the correct phenotype. I have brown hair, I can drink as much bleach as I want but my hair will still be brown.
I'm not a fish expert but I have dabbled in fish tanks . And even i know you check your fish out before chucking them in the tank . Could have had any number of diseases never trust a seller that goes for anything you buy . Thank God they didn't give anything to your fish and all is well
Those people who sold you the fish tried to run with your money, don't ever buy from those people again dude. That woman is bad because she was trying to hide the quality. *She knows better BECAUSE she is part of the fish society and the forums.*
Man I hear your pain. But.... If I buy a fish (with or without proper images or knowledge about their health) I will keep em. I will treat em soo good that they will in return loook sexy as fuck! It works no matter how bad the fish are. If I bring em home. They are here to stay. Kinda sad you are giving up on them cuz they are not up to your quality standards.
Kinda late viewing this, but couldn't believe how many viewers gave it a thumbs down. The Tropheus I have seen are, like a lot of fish, nicer looking though not always as colorful when young. Fighting takes a toll on them. Maybe they were overpriced. Our local store sells 1/2 inch fish for $30 dollars. So maybe they weren't. Also, when large only the dominant male is going to really color nicely. I agree with those that said this lady was very generous in making it up to you. She is to be applauded for her understanding of possibly your very high expectations.
I feel bad for the fishes
you should have kept them they were nice fish you could have bring them back to health the ugly cichlid given to me and I never gave it back I nursed it now I got a beautiful one in my fish tank I'm glad I never gave it back
I cannot medicate poor genetics. She took them back and re-sold them at a more appropriate price.
I like how you inform people about the situation and what you would have done instead of, like so many people on the internet would do, "bash" on the seller and complain. It actually help people see what they need to look for if they want to buy "used" fish.
I would just make her return a bit of the money because the fish werent' up to quality. The fish would heal as much as they can and color up, and fatten up over time and with good care. I would just see it as good I could save those fishes atleast.
But yeah we all want different things, I think you were to hard on the fish though.
It is your responsibility to check what you are buying BEFORE you pay for it. You are lucky she accepted the return. I wouldn't...
Bruno Oliveira great customer service Bruno 🙄 what is the name of your stellar company again?
It is sellers responsibility to check for quality BEFORE shipping them. She is lucky that he accepted to settle this with a return. I wouldn't...
@@a2thek914 he picked them up,they weren't shipped
Wow so disappointed, you rescued several animals, showed them how great life could be then dumped them because they were not pretty enough, how sad for the fish. My fish are my pets and no less so then my dog. They aren't trophies to be put on a shelf they are pets to be cared for. For a brief moment those fish had what seemed to be one the best people on the planet to care for them and now what? wonder how many of those are even alive now...
Unfortunately I do not have a messiah complex, nor do I have an unlimited amount of money. I would love to see your rescue efforts though because there are a lot of sick and needy fish out there.
I understand your logic. Making purchases is done for reasons that each individual find important!
I have taken many "rescued" fish from people who would have just flushed them if not for me so you are barking up the wrong tree there my friend and every dog I have ever had was a rescue, I donate regularly to Hope for Paws and a couple of other groups and I help a local rescue so is it ok if I comment about the care of those fish?
for that matter if I get ANY animal and find its been neglected I would never give it back... Its not having a messiah complex its having humanity.
You are all missing the point.... You all care more about what these animals look like, they are trophies to you not animals, they are things, no different then a dresser or end table to you. One scratch and its it the trash with ya, I needed a prettier one.
you should of looked at the fish before you dish out 300 bucks . you made the mistake of course the lady is wrong too but this sir is your fault
I take full ownership for my actions, and all your accusations are correct. I even made a UA-cam video about it to further incriminate myself.
Andrew Browne dont get down on yourself because others got mad you returned the fish lol just tell these people you were glad to get a refund and they should understand. sometimes the quality is not what we want that simple I myself dont own aquariums because I know it comes with lots of difficulty.. me I like to make koi ponds. lol
the way you fessed up to this man, Stone move. you seem like a good person.
unless you are specifically trying to breed these fish and sell them to people who are going to judge them for their appearance and make a purchase accordingly, why not keep the fish and just nurse them back to health? even the healthy fish of this species aren't really all that pretty. but what does it matter? I have six little corydoras and they are not the prettiest fish but they have lovely personalities and I enjoy watching them socialize with each other
im glad these guys found a good owner in you. they will be happy on that premium food!
He said he's sending them back. Sad for the fish.
I don't think you should have returned the fish to her. She obviously didn't know how to care for them. What you should have done was had her return your money, given her back $20-$30 and kept the fish. Then tell her that returning the fish to her was most likely a death sentence for them and you would rehabilitate them, get them healthy again and give them a good home. If none of them died, you could return another small sum of money back to her but your time was worth money too and caring for sick fish takes money too. I know it's too late now. I hope those fish found a new home and weren't just flushed or worse......released into a local lake or pond.
no he doesn't has love for them. all he want is to get his money returned and buy another new batch of beautiful fish. probably for display tank, for other people to come and praise his beautiful fish. some people they keep animals because they want to watch it and let other to praise about it. some people keep animals because they love that animal. these people they care more on the love parts of the animals, and not for display. so you will see some people they love to keep so many juvenile fishes and cull the ugly one when they realize it, so that he can have beautiful fishes which make him proud. then you will see some people they keep some ugly fishes and some beautiful fishes and when you ask them, "why you keep those ugly fishes?" you will most probably start to hear them talking about the story of these fish, how he rescue them, how he felt pity for them when they are abused by the previous owners and so on. so there are always these 2 type of fish keepers. one for the display and proud. one for the love of that fish (like dogs and cats).
who in this world wants to keep ugly fish?
They're millions of fish, why keep ugly ones?
There are 3-4 million dogs euthanized each year so should you give the sick ones a home or the healthy ones a home?
Obviously the healthy ones should live and, unfortunately, the sick ones will be euthanized.
Of take full responsibility for your actions and learn to check your purchase before spending money on something fishy I would not have given you shit back it's up to the buyer to ask the right questions.
They pulled the old quick hood hand off. Straight up slapped your head sorry about that though. Always check the bag and say hell no to schwag. Yea if anyone ever has this happen and you show up and everythings ready to go and you can't check it leave.
Hardly what I would call a "tragedy". 150 gallons of live coral and reef fish and a power outage is a tragedy.
Try an earthquake. Lost my 600 litre tank to one. Insurance refused to pay.
arekkusu shaw that sucks
Why I’ll never have a reef tank. Most expensive I would go is discus
Jesus, he's making a video. He used a word. I'm sure he's not being literal.. So take a chill pill..
Man I feel your pain which is why i am going back to Fresh Water loved Salt Water but can't afford a back up generator and to many damn outages due to it being HOT AS HELL.
From your video they don't look any different. I checked twice but I can't see any difference. If a fish has an eye problem maybe that's not so good but it seems to be swimming well. If your water quality is so good and you are feeding them good then a visually impaired fish shouldn't be such a big deal.
I know you got screwed out of your money, but a part of me wishes that you would have taken them anyway and nurtured them back to health because honestly, that woman could NOT do it on her own if they had gotten to that condition on her watch.
(Btw i had to check twice that i spelled nurtured right because it looks rly fuckin weird when you think about it too much)
As an animal rescuer, my passion , my life, is saving them from ignorant and selfish humans. So sad to hear another tale of abuse....
Susie Spohn I understand, fish are like any other animal, I have a community fish tank, and even I know not to put them all in one tank together...
Susie Spohn Boi
AND HE GAVE THEM BACKKK
That sucks, but like you said, at least she didn't completely screw you. Subbed you up.
Thanks Corey, this tank is is already yielding some nice surprises. Look for it in the next video!
the fish look exactly the same wtf are u talking about different color
37712 well he didn't say different colors. He said the fish were getting their color.😊 I think he's talking more about the stripe on the fish. Cuz the second batch look more vibrant. At least the Orange stripe ok them. Have a good day!!!!!!
Always walk away and don't buy if unsure. We learn from our mistakes. Tank looking good, all the best.
Thanks Matt
Sorry about the purchase :( Wouldn't they eventually heal and fatten up and look beautiful again? Also, no matter how thick glass is, tempered, etc, I just can't understand how so much heavy rock doesn't break the bottom lol Great tank!
I suspected that these fish had poor genetics, and the phenotype with the orange band was not going to manifest even if the fish were healthy. As for the rocks, I do double styrofoam. I support the bottom of the tank with it, and I also add some inside the tank on the bottom. It spreads out the load on the glass, and prevents any form of deflective load, which makes it safe. The sand also buffers out the dynamic load if I accidentally drop one.
tamonettX500 they would look very good in time .glass dont hold weight of rocks its the stand bear all the weight
tamonettX500 you can check out my Channel and see the rocks I put in my tank
this kinda shit happens alot in the city, this same exact tactic is used by fish sellers on ppl , id of burnt their house down over this
tamonettX500 glass (or silica) is extremely hard... why are you surprised again? Glass is extremely hard but is also brittle... are you picturing him "dropping" the rocks in?
glass does not handle impact well, but is extremely strong. how stupid can someone be?
something about the fish at around 5:30 waggling back and forth made me uneasy, like they had a disease I have seen fish die from by wasting away...
Zom Bee I thought more off the too inbreed and low immunity.
Another item I ordered was a meerchaum calabash pipe. No stem. No hardware to secure the stem to the bowl.
Ok I get that you were unsatisfied, 100% feel ya but.... Give en 2-3 weeks and they will be exactly what you wanted. I'd do that as opposed to transporting them yet again especially since you made the decision brother.
Wow.. The seller is a much better person then me. After she drained her tank you expected her to hold them in what a bucket? So you pretty much killed the whole batch.
Sorry to hear about your experience. Looks like there are a few that look ok. The new fish are stunners.
Sorry to hear, man - bummer. Especially after 3 hours total drive time. Sometimes this happens in the hobby.....I've bought off 2, 3 year old pictures in the past as well. Now I do thoroughly vet anyone I buy from, and now only reputable companies with proven track records. Great channel, great vids! Subbed and looking forward to following you! 👍
Thanks dude I appreciate the positive feedback ;-)
At least you rescued some fishies in a rough spot.
You don't seem like the kind of person that should have pets of any kind ...
I sure hope your kids turn out perfect or next will be seeing a video on your $90,000+ mistake.
So far my little guy is perfect! But if he develops anything wrong, we have those special drop boxes at our fire stations.
Comatose dramatic much?
hes such a bitch. he could have saved those poor fish. 300dlls is not that expensive.
I ordered a fonosa and got sent a convict cichlid. I got my money back and kept the convict. Hope all went well for you...
Lol who did you order that from?
LOL, Ebay seller...But lesson learned.
+Ricky Peacher Nice catch. A lot of beginners would've missed the difference, I'm glad you were able to tell and got your money back. Sad how careful one must be in their dealings with their fellow humans D:
Lol
same thing happen to me when I ordered a frontosa cichlid.
Andrew, you didn't deserve a refund and you don't deserve to keep fish.
kevin cody who are you to judge? What experience do you have keeping African Cichlids? Probably none.
Sean Sevasta, you've schooled me!
Why?
3-4 million dogs are euthanized each year. Millions of dogs, that are healthy, are looking for a home. Not all these dogs will get a home. Of the dogs, who should live a life with a loving family?
The healthy dogs.
she agreed because she knew she did a S##### thing im sorry man second batch looks way better and healthy
Yeah, she also had a high position in my local aquarium club and if she didnt want to do a return it would have adversely affected her life.
That's kind of bitchy to say.. esp for a man lol
its sad cause it looked like the fish wouldve loved it in your possession instead
awww, i wish you didnt give them back. you seem like you can save them. so what if they take a bit of time. giving them back is killing them! bummer
Never ever have them drain tank before you get there always leave it as is wait look and if you like them then drain it and then take them
Tropheus are a very very difficult fish to care for. there will always be a couple fish in a group that are beat up. the aggressive males chase and harass all the other fish in the group. I kept them for years and that group doesn't look that bad
the problem is the algae in the tank they had was not running a good mixture of beta 5.
dude you work for that money do t be afraid to check stuff out and make sure it's what you want. if a seller for anything is gonna rush your decision it's prolly a bad idea.
Right now the wife works for that money (i'm a full-time student) but point taken. I was trusting her way too much.
im in nthe same boat! full time student!
I would have asked for my money back too. I may have kept a few of the better quality fish but who is to say. I would have been rather ticked because a sick fish can contaminate the hole tank. I would always have a quarantine tank before introducing them to a community. I would say you made the right call.
I've had problems like this before. Purchased some Texas Cichlids, was told they wouldn't get very big. ( They are now the size of a baseball and still not fully matured.) I don't even have a tank big enough for them.
put some different lighting in to accent their colors. Driftwood would help your tank pop a bit too.
buying fish can be tricky ....never buy in the dark or let your excited state of mind blind you from seeing them properly.Ive made the same mistake
They look like an old colony (color washed out/sick looking is a big hint). I would suggest always trying to get juveniles for any breeding/display Tanks. Also if you MUST buy a colony of mature adult fish make sure there are fry/juveniles with them to prove they are not old and past breeding age. I think you were very lucky to get a refund hope the replacements are going well and love your tank.
Thanks!
people in the comment section really need to calm down... especially the ones that dont know shit about the hobby. when its about fish its all about the looks. you dont go to the pet store and pick out fish that you feel bad for or need to be rescued. you pick out fish that you like to look at. fish are very expensive pets so when you pay a x amount of money for a fish you want what you pay for. maybe he did not discard the fish properly but its understandable.
When I can afford I want to get a 55-80 gallon whatever is the best deal tank of schooling fish I'm thinking maybe silver dollars or things like that. Super excited almost there to afford a good deal I found.
Great Tank! Those fish are nice, Iove the black and blue colors..
I really don't think you know a lot about tropheus honestly but I have a few things I want to point out to you. If you keep all red Bemba tropheus then maybe you will see that vibrant red color more often. That red color does not stay with the fish as you would see with the duboisi head turn blue, it's not the same phenomenon. I recommend making it a species only tropheus tank. I had demasoni once in with my tropheus and it was overall a bad idea. Demasoni aren't even from Lake Tanganyika. Second I can safely say you got a stellar deal for that many tropheus! Full grown tropheus would run you around $50 a pop in my area and that's on the cheap end. Third you may not even have the right food for them. Not all spiralina flakes are made the same. Look for some that have paprika and garlic in it. They love to munch on big wet flakes from what I can tell. I suggest getting yours some Dainichi veggie deluxe pellets and veggie fx pellets. It's better than new life spectrum and helps flush out toxin from their long intestines. Hope your tropheus are doing better now. Best of luck!
Thanks for the comment. These fish are the Orange phenotype of the Bembas, not the red. That goes to show how poor their genetics were. Secondly, I kept a huge colony cohabitating with demasoni with both sets of Tropheus and they got along just fine. I did not observe a single conflict between the two. I did end up selling off all the demasoni to help pay for my Saulosi. Prices for fish can be highly variable, and it can vary depending on location and availability. Prescribing a price is really problematic. Lastly how does Dainichi “flush out toxins”? I’d love to know. Thanks
all that space and all you have is a couple rocks and a bunch of cichlids? that's criminal. If i had that much space, I'd create such an awesome aquascape, utilizing all the space
And I was annoyed when the 175 dollar canister filter I bought for 60 dollars wasn't up to par... I kept it though and am just replacing the tubing and all the intake/output pieces on a "3 month old pump"
Sorry to hear that man, but at least you know now how long its gonna go before another preventative maintenance interval.
I like when I hear somebody in this hobby who actully knows wtf there talking about . This guy knows what he's doing
Thanks Matthew. I have spent 4 years studying biology in University and I am trying my best to apply it to my channel, but the cool thing is there is always more to learn.
Poor fish have to go back to that place
Unfortunately yeah they had to. I could not verify their genetics, and I could not handle the possibility that these fish could make it genetically impossible to look beautiful. I have to problem with (and actually enjoy) rehabilitating fish, these ones seems too high risk for me, especially because I have never kept Tanganyikans before.
Aquatic Logic
i have raised tropheus for a long time.... they are very aggressive... they beat each other up until things get worked out.... keep changing the environment up.... they have to reorganize.
@@AquaticLogic I know this is a really old video, but i just gotta say.. "I could not handle the possibility that these fish could make it genetically impossible to look beautiful:.. this statement makes you look like an absolute asshole.. Will not be watching any more of your videos.
Contact the guy's in Lad Vegas that custom build tank's for a living. Brett, his brother - in-law, + family on cable t.v.'s ,"Tanked." They deal with what you had happen. NEVER STOP ASKING QUESTION's ! Don't get too disgusted with yourself. Edison finally invented a light bulb that worked. He made around 1,000 mistakes. He found 1,000 way's that don't work. Of coarse you gotta find the cheapest right thing's to do to have fish or whatever. Don't give up because of your mistake. You're human. No offense intented. Lesson learned. Like buying tobacco pipes or whatever on Amazon + eBay. Check stuff out 1st with question's, question's, question's. Pray about it too for the wise choices. I thought I was getting a standard size meerchaum tobacco pipe. 1 I ordered was fake. Rubber. They both were small. The 2nd is real.
I know this is an old video but for some reason it's just popped up on my youtube. I'm just going to have a look on your channel now to see what else is on there, and yeah, watching a video of the potential fish you want to buy is the way if you can't be there in person to take a look yourself
I was took on fish that looked the same , I'm not an aquarium guy but I had did a small remodel job for a guy that was a breeder and he gives me a 55 gal set up with about 15 of those , I went to local fish shop and asked them if they would be interested ? They new the breeder , and I only wanted credit to put more colorful cichlids in my tank , they looked fish up told me they could only sell for $7-$10 ea so they offered me $5 ea , I not knowing , sold them the fish , all about the size of yours , out of curiosity checked back 3 days later and they had sold half , had large sign up " special ,very rare , cherry spot trophious Mori $39.99" I had an argument that did no good , and never set foot in that business again , (fish man pet center )Springfield Illinois
You should dedicate your tank to either Tanganyika or Malawi lake species. I kept Malawi cichlids for over 25 years because I found the species from Lake Malawi much more colorful, easy to keep (they are very hardy), they are generally less expensive than Tanganyikans and they come in all different shapes.Malawi cichlids also have great personalities.
Droopy tail is a sign of respiratory problems is a sign of nitrate problems, at least in my experience
I started my first fish tank seven months ago and I have 3 tanks now one 90 gallon (Africian Cichlids) 40 gallon tank (angelfish, neon tetras, black longfin tetras and albino Cory Cats) 20 gallon Tetras and Cory cats
Are you going to give the fishes back ? I hope not. You are a blessing to those fishes.
I get that 300$ is quite a lot, but I think I would keep them, just for their own sake. Its clear you are much better fish keeper than lady you bought them from. Think they would get better and be much happier with you.
I'm sorry , but I've always been told , look carefully on what you're buying especially with animals . I would have insisted there be light in the tank to you could check them out properly . She was pulling a fast one mate .
GLAD YOU ARE QT'ING THEM....DID YOU NOTICE THE SCRAPING ON THE SAND IN THE NEW LITTLE ONES? THE SHIMMYING? HOPE THEY MADE IT. UPDATE?
I think ppl r missing the point here. They are focused on how Andrew described them more than clear facts. He took them back because they were not what he was willing to spend money on.If the lady said, " These fish have health issues ".Then it would be up to him to make a decision . He was not given an honest opportunity. AKA deceit.
Well, at least she agreed to take them back. On a lighter note, about deceptive photos taken several years ago, don't you wish people, and not just fish (oh... wait.. never mind) would stop doing that on Facebook and dating sites?
I got catfished... On real FISH!
LOL.. good one.
Ooh pretty fish! I especially like the neon blue ones!
Those are Pseudotropheus demasoni. I agree they are scintillating.
Hey man those are cichlids... Give it two years and all of yours will start to look banged up as this is survival of the fittest. Go to and aquarium or zoo and check out the hippos/African penguins/fish from Africa and their cichlids have a more massive tank and much more room per capita. They are not a schooling fish at all and do not need to be with that many at close quarters. The only way to avoid your next problem as they are still small fish is create as many hiding places as possible and increase that live plant growth by fertilizing them with the fish waste/detritus material. It will just be war all the time. Changing rock placement frequently will make them change territories as well and can be beneficial. Get ready for natural selection in this fish tank, but get more rock/driftwood! I have made every mistake having tanks over the last 10 years and can give honest advice if you need. You’re doing great with the diet of them and I can tell that you honestly care about the fish with the passion I did when I first started out! Good luck & Hope this helps!
You really should keep them 2 more weeks. I get that u were screwed in the fish condition, but u should have kept the fish a little bit longer or give them to another fish hobbyist who can care for them instead of giving them back to her.
So you got Catfished on your fish purchase...seems like normal internet behavior now a days ;)
I have not thought of it that way... AND YOUR RIGHT! :-0
They act so aggressive towards one another. How large do they get? Also, the tank looks over stocked. I'm glad you got your money back. Maybe you can buy fewer fish and better quality. Good Luck.
I'm always curious about what happens after the video. Under the comment section, I read that she took everything back and you got a full refund. But what was the whole story behind it and after it? She wanted to get out of the aquarium hobby and that's why she sold them, or something else? Did she refill her tank and simply kept all the fishes? etc. etc.
To be honest I cant do much to delineate what happened after our reverse transaction. She took the fish, I got my $300 back, and I have not seen them re-posted for sale on the aquarium forum that we are both members of. She is still in the hobby with many, many, many tanks, but my suspicion is that she is having a hard time selling things now because word got out (to some extent) about what happened... And some of my friends watch my UA-cam channel ;-)
Hope the fish are all well too, within the year.
The seller was greedy but I think she did expect some bargaining. With fishes at this age and size. Expensive medications are definitely needed for this huge stock in treating parasite and bacterial infections. I wouldn't take it for over 50 bucks.
I wouldve been pissed. Not just because you got took for the money for poor quality fish, but because of the fact the fish were abused.
Why not just take car eof them and let them heal? Seems they will be fine.
...small bemba looks ok but, when they grownup they orange colour get dirty, (dominant male kept colour most the time), that is why I got Kiriza right now
Are you sure you didn't stress these fish with improper acclamation
Shame, you could of bought thos fish back up to spec! They not bad fish just been kept poorly
You rescued fish, where did they end up going?
I do not understand why you got new fish. Why not help the other ones you had. Feed them well, give them a good home with good water and they should color up. What's the problem?
Two problems: 1. I over-paid for poor quality fish (I was mislead, and dont like wasting money). 2. Their inferior genetics will not allow them to "colour up". Genotype = Phenotype.
Don’t blame you bro
You have to be happy if your not happy it becomes a nightmare. Your new fish look nice an round. Sometimes thinks go wrong it how you respond that matters, good luck.
She was being really unprofessional. She should of let you see them in the tank first with clear water etc before giving them. Was obvious she was hiding something imo or was just trying to get rid of them. If it were me I'd of not taken them without seeing what they look like in her tank clearly first. I feel bad for the fish tho
They will color up ! Just feed them good food and make them happy 😊 they can become great fish !
What a bummer man :( , But you are a great fish keeper ! They will get better.
Thanks for the comment. I had to get a refund for those fish and I kept the ones in the latter part of the video.
Yeah, this happens a lot actually, i would say it is even worse with reptiles.
With reptiles like Leopard Geckos and other, people seem to think that the pets need no exercise or ability to move in the tanks, and they don't buy proper or breed their own food for them to properly give them the nutrition the pets need.
Pet abuse is extremely common, even with people who consider themselves to be pet lovers or even remotely caring people.
man , if that shiz breaks you're done
Am glad everything worked out
Thanks Ronney, i'm loving the Tropheus (the replacement fish) they are awesome :-)
Faith Castillo me and my fiance got 2 senegal bichirs from a fish store called fish frenzy we didn't notice until we got home but one the bichirs had a small Fin like nemo and the other had a deformed fin on the same side we decided to name them nemo and nemA since one is male one female the female the larger one Finn is still deformed but growing still and the smaller male left Finn is still muxh larger then the right but both fish sleep together and live happily and we are fine rather there fins fix or not there family now... They both have grown 4 inches bigger and there deformed fins does not bother us or the other fish in the tank you my friend got fish for show not for a hobby
I wish you could post an update on your fish..I notice that this is 2016..I am very interested to know how they are doing now.
poor babies how awful that you got rid of them!!! smh hopefully their next owner will be much kinder
Where's the fun in getting fish that are already perfect?
Fish with inferior genetics (like the ones I returned) will never have the correct phenotype. I have brown hair, I can drink as much bleach as I want but my hair will still be brown.
I'm not a fish expert but I have dabbled in fish tanks . And even i know you check your fish out before chucking them in the tank . Could have had any number of diseases never trust a seller that goes for anything you buy . Thank God they didn't give anything to your fish and all is well
Those people who sold you the fish tried to run with your money, don't ever buy from those people again dude. That woman is bad because she was trying to hide the quality. *She knows better BECAUSE she is part of the fish society and the forums.*
I like your sophisticated word choice and definitely not boring unlike "Pro DJ dumbass. Nice tank bro and i'm glad your tank is better by now!
i dont see anything wrong with the fish. looks normal. colors changes as they get older
and u can buy from them , i dont go to pet stores anymore
That's messed up so that "reputable dealer" was actually not that at all
I think people should remember , they are alive , they are life the word quality is for a product
Some days you just cant get rid of a bomb.
those fish will bounce back just give it time
That sucks but at lest you gave them a better home.