Great information. I have been watching videos on DIY carbide tools for the past few days thinking I needed them because they were the better tool. Your timely information on carbide vs steel was very helpful. It isn't really that one is better than the other, it's more that we have more tools in our arsenal to ensure the right tool for the right job.
Shawn, I really enjoy the Tip of the Day series. And although I don’t use many hand tools and I don’t use a lathe, I stay tuned and always give you a thumbs up, because you are so engaging and informative. Thanks a whole bunch.
I made the same set up for dust collection in my small shop and it works amazing even with my planer/jointer. I have a double size bucket to collect dust/chips. That is one excellent tool and I’m so happy that I’ve build it. Thank you for sharing your wonderful tips!
Good stuff, as always. Right on about the Oneida but... I've been using one for about six years and I also have gone along time without emptying the vac. What I did find though, is that the Oneida doesn't trap the micron fine dust. That goes on through the system and ends up in the pleated cartridge. The first time I took that off and blew it out with the air hose, I was amazed at the dust storm. When I put it back on, I was also amazed at how much the suction of my vac had increased. I now open the vac, empty the tablespoon of sawdust and clean the pleats every few months "whether it needs it or not"! Thanks for what you do - there's always more to lern.
I have learned enough on my steel tools to get a smooth cut that reduces sanding. However, I agree 100%, there are certain jobs that I would rather not beat up my Thompson tools, since they are quite expensive. Also, I find hollowing out hollow forms with my carbide hollowing tool has worked better for me over the long run. Great video as always.
Ok. I need to get the carbide cutter. I don't like the carbide tools either. I got both when starting because I was scared after every said how HARD it was to use and sharpen steel. It was so easy to learn and sharpening is not hard. I still have carbide for specialty techniques. I couldn't imaging trying to true up a log with a carbide bit! Bowl gouge all the way!
thanks this has just come at the right time and was trying to decided what to get next to help me with end grain spindal hollowing, think ill go carbide, but just get my self a bigger bowl gouge for bowls.
I thought your tutorial very informative and correct. I'm not knocking what you had to say about carbide but I want to add something to your aresenal of shop tools. Get a diamond grinding wheel. It doesn't matter what grade,size or configuration. Then touching up a carbide is a cinch. You can even put a large radius on a small bit, even an insert that will accomplish those big radiuses easily. As a machinist for over 45 years in trade I started turning small bowls & vases a few years ago. I liked Black Walnut and that is a very tough material also. So I brought a couple of inserts home and brazed them on a long piece of steel and made a turning tool. I already had a diamond cut off blade I used for tough none metallic cutting. It worked great for sharpening it up. I later experimented putting a large radius on the carbide and VOILÀ. If you ever find time try it.
BTW, Rockler has a new(?) dust collection device for the lathe when turning long objects like spindles, handles, pens, etc. It appears to almost wrap 1/3-1/2 way around the object being turned without obstructing the turning process. And you can hook your Dust Deputy system right up to it. Happy turning!
I blow shavings off my 12' ceiling and sweep them up at all four corners of my 400 sq/ft shop. Many times those shavings are continuous long streams. No dust collection will help a lathe. Maybe one directly at the turning for when you are sanding. And then only a bit. It is what it is... a mess making machine.
thank you, that was interesting . steel takes shock better . carbide will wear better/ handle heat but will shatter / chip on shock. i used to use a green wheel silicone carbide wheel on a grinder . sadly i dont remember exactly what the wheel was ( 70 - 80 machinists ) . navy trained on subtender. the relief angles on steel can be sharper . where carbide inserts need back up so less relief .
your are welcome . heck it took me a week to remember how to grind twist drills on a bench grinder . lol on a twist drill measure from web ( center edge to end hold the angle and do both sides . i used the 64ths scale now days i need a magnifier so i use a 32nd scale now days. hope that helps
Great video man! I agree 100% about tools. There is definitely a place for carbide and steels alike. I also agree with you on The Onieda Dust Deputy. It's is absolutely amazing. As a matter of fact, when I go to a dust collection "system" some day, I'll go with the Super Dust deputy. Thanks for the great content again. Oh, a few questions about tools. Was that a Thompson gouge? They seem to very popular. Most of mine are cheaper brands because I didn't want to ruin good tools during my learning to turn/sharpen phase. Would you say they are over-kill for the average hobby turner ? Have you ever used Hurricane tools?
Well I guess I’ve been doing it wrong. I’ve turned some items (10-20)and never sharpened my steel tools. My results are fine with minimal sanding. ?????
It all depends upon species and size. I will say this, turning tools will still work very dull. We sharpen on 80 grit unlike hand tools that are done at 8000 grit. But try sharpening more often and you'll get spoilt.
Awesome video I’m brand new to turning my question is I will be doing pens bottle stoppers pizza cutters and I’ll be using a Jet 12/21vs would I be better off with carbide or still go traditional??? Thank You for all your help
If all you were ever wanting to do where pens then I'd say yes, carbide would be best as it works well in that sitation of smooth curves, no details and various mediums. You say bottle stoppers and pizza cutters where you'll like to add details tells me you really want to spend some time practicing with traditional tools and spindles. Turn some magic wands and you'll learn a lot.
@@wortheffort Sorry for bringing up such an old comment- can't you get details from carbide tools? I'm kind of in this same boat. I want to turn pens and some small objects. I don't want to buy a grinder and sharpen tools.. don't have a shop so space is minimal. Just want to pull out the lathe and have some fun on weekends here and there. Whatdya think? Thanks man, love your channel!
Great information. I have been watching videos on DIY carbide tools for the past few days thinking I needed them because they were the better tool. Your timely information on carbide vs steel was very helpful. It isn't really that one is better than the other, it's more that we have more tools in our arsenal to ensure the right tool for the right job.
Thanks
Shawn, I really enjoy the Tip of the Day series. And although I don’t use many hand tools and I don’t use a lathe, I stay tuned and always give you a thumbs up, because you are so engaging and informative. Thanks a whole bunch.
I made the same set up for dust collection in my small shop and it works amazing even with my planer/jointer. I have a double size bucket to collect dust/chips. That is one excellent tool and I’m so happy that I’ve build it. Thank you for sharing your wonderful tips!
It's a good product.
Good stuff, as always. Right on about the Oneida but... I've been using one for about six years and I also have gone along time without emptying the vac. What I did find though, is that the Oneida doesn't trap the micron fine dust. That goes on through the system and ends up in the pleated cartridge. The first time I took that off and blew it out with the air hose, I was amazed at the dust storm. When I put it back on, I was also amazed at how much the suction of my vac had increased. I now open the vac, empty the tablespoon of sawdust and clean the pleats every few months "whether it needs it or not"! Thanks for what you do - there's always more to lern.
Thanks, I also brushed out the filter.
I have learned enough on my steel tools to get a smooth cut that reduces sanding. However, I agree 100%, there are certain jobs that I would rather not beat up my Thompson tools, since they are quite expensive. Also, I find hollowing out hollow forms with my carbide hollowing tool has worked better for me over the long run. Great video as always.
Appreciate your experience sharing
Ok. I need to get the carbide cutter. I don't like the carbide tools either. I got both when starting because I was scared after every said how HARD it was to use and sharpen steel. It was so easy to learn and sharpening is not hard. I still have carbide for specialty techniques. I couldn't imaging trying to true up a log with a carbide bit! Bowl gouge all the way!
I have yet to buy my first carbide tool. Thanks for the info on the coring system
They have their place.
thanks this has just come at the right time and was trying to decided what to get next to help me with end grain spindal hollowing, think ill go carbide, but just get my self a bigger bowl gouge for bowls.
for small stuff you might look at Raffan's spindle gouge hollowing technique.
great thanks for the tip, will take a look now
I thought your tutorial very informative and correct. I'm not knocking what you had to say about carbide but I want to add something to your aresenal of shop tools. Get a diamond grinding wheel. It doesn't matter what grade,size or configuration. Then touching up a carbide is a cinch. You can even put a large radius on a small bit, even an insert that will accomplish those big radiuses easily. As a machinist for over 45 years in trade I started turning small bowls & vases a few years ago. I liked Black Walnut and that is a very tough material also. So I brought a couple of inserts home and brazed them on a long piece of steel and made a turning tool. I already had a diamond cut off blade I used for tough none metallic cutting. It worked great for sharpening it up. I later experimented putting a large radius on the carbide and VOILÀ. If you ever find time try it.
Someday, outa my price range for now.
BTW, Rockler has a new(?) dust collection device for the lathe when turning long objects like spindles, handles, pens, etc. It appears to almost wrap 1/3-1/2 way around the object being turned without obstructing the turning process. And you can hook your Dust Deputy system right up to it. Happy turning!
I blow shavings off my 12' ceiling and sweep them up at all four corners of my 400 sq/ft shop. Many times those shavings are continuous long streams. No dust collection will help a lathe. Maybe one directly at the turning for when you are sanding. And then only a bit. It is what it is... a mess making machine.
Question...you can sharpen the HSS coring bit but can you sharpen the carbide coring bit? thanks...
Thanks for info , helpful makes you think
Thanks
There is a grinding wheel you could put on bench grinder to grind carbide, also i would like to get the ins and outs about nails sizes.
DMT wheels are diamonds so they'll grind carbide... for a while. I just use my stones.
thank you, that was interesting . steel takes shock better . carbide will wear better/ handle heat but will shatter / chip on shock. i used to use a green wheel silicone carbide wheel on a grinder . sadly i dont remember exactly what the wheel was ( 70 - 80 machinists ) . navy trained on subtender. the relief angles on steel can be sharper . where carbide inserts need back up so less relief .
Didn't know about relief angles. Thanks.
your are welcome . heck it took me a week to remember how to grind twist drills on a bench grinder . lol on a twist drill measure from web ( center edge to end hold the angle and do both sides . i used the 64ths scale now days i need a magnifier so i use a 32nd scale now days. hope that helps
Great video!
Thanks
Great video man! I agree 100% about tools. There is definitely a place for carbide and steels alike. I also agree with you on The Onieda Dust Deputy. It's is absolutely amazing. As a matter of fact, when I go to a dust collection "system" some day, I'll go with the Super Dust deputy. Thanks for the great content again. Oh, a few questions about tools. Was that a Thompson gouge? They seem to very popular. Most of mine are cheaper brands because I didn't want to ruin good tools during my learning to turn/sharpen phase. Would you say they are over-kill for the average hobby turner ? Have you ever used Hurricane tools?
I'm a real fan of Thompson. As I wear stuff out I'll be replacing them with Thompson now.
Got some carbide tools 2 years ago,still in packaging!
Awe come on... put those puppies to use.
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Well I guess I’ve been doing it wrong. I’ve turned some items (10-20)and never sharpened my steel tools. My results are fine with minimal sanding. ?????
It all depends upon species and size. I will say this, turning tools will still work very dull. We sharpen on 80 grit unlike hand tools that are done at 8000 grit. But try sharpening more often and you'll get spoilt.
Thanks I enjoyed .
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Love the video!
Thanks
Awesome video I’m brand new to turning my question is I will be doing pens bottle stoppers pizza cutters and I’ll be using a Jet 12/21vs would I be better off with carbide or still go traditional??? Thank You for all your help
If all you were ever wanting to do where pens then I'd say yes, carbide would be best as it works well in that sitation of smooth curves, no details and various mediums. You say bottle stoppers and pizza cutters where you'll like to add details tells me you really want to spend some time practicing with traditional tools and spindles. Turn some magic wands and you'll learn a lot.
wortheffort Thank You so much for the information I really appreciate it.
@@wortheffort Sorry for bringing up such an old comment- can't you get details from carbide tools? I'm kind of in this same boat. I want to turn pens and some small objects. I don't want to buy a grinder and sharpen tools.. don't have a shop so space is minimal. Just want to pull out the lathe and have some fun on weekends here and there. Whatdya think? Thanks man, love your channel!
@@mattd313 see my 4 cuts video. Carbide can only do one.
I love carbide - but even just today I bought a 1 inch skew. Different tools for different things
Yep, yep. Skew's my favorite. Get it right and you feel like a god.
Hermano dame por fabor la referencia para comprar esto en estados unidos, a ver si alguien me lo envia desde allá
Rosendo nunez I don’t speak French. Shoulda been obvious via how I talk in video.
A short Richard Raffan article was just published which might be a good additional tip to share: www.woodreview.com.au/how-to/the-turn-commandments
Didn't see any reference to carbide vs steel. Just general tips.
Carbide is too brittle for my tastes ... I have had 2 carbide inserts snap while turning some Osage Orange. Scared the crap out of me!
Osage (bodark) is a different level of hard.
Johnny squat! Lol
He's a lot younger and in better shape.
I think those big earrings are gyroscopic stabilizers LOL