Int in this instance refers to intensity. Anyway Mr Doty I just wanted to sincerely thank you for your knowledge. I fell in love with the idea and sounds of the synthesizer back in the 80's as a young teen. Due to life and circumstance I was unable to pursue owning one until recently. It was when I discovered one of your videos about a year ago that I was hit with the bug again. I just purchased my tenth synth (a Sub 37) and I can honestly say that you have taught me everything I know about how a synth works and how to create sound. I also hold you personally responsible for my analog synthesizer addiction affliction. Seriously though you are a great teacher and your videos have been extremely informative and helpful. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. What you do on here is a great thing.
+Richard Farabaugh Yes! It was Marc's intro to the Microbrute that got me back into analog synthesis after my own Juno died years ago. I saw the video and thought "Wow! What a synth..... Wow! What a shirt!" ;)
Richard Farabaugh anothe testimonial to the persuasive and inspirational role of mr. Marc's tutorial. I too was encouraged to perch assent first volca after watching the Volca tutorial series. I did look at other tutorials but Marc's teaching accompanied with his performance were the push factor. Here I am prepping again!
Your enjoyment of the mini is really coming through in these videos. More than anything, I see it in the long pauses where you go quiet and just riff around. It's what happens to me when I discover a patch with an interesting envelope setting. Also, I love watching the scope as you play!
+Crolodon Those pauses are totally an indication that I'm having fun... and I can't believe how often it has happened in this series. I am actually distracted from what I'm doing relatively often because of how interesting this keyboard is.
Mr Doty, thank you for being the voice of reason on this whole 'clicky envelopes' debate and these excellent demos on the basic soundshaping tools of this awesome little synth :) Can't wait for it to be available here in the Netherlands.
+Lennart Verhoeff Thank you, Lennart! I'm just trying to keep it real. I understand that the clicking is unexpected, but unexpected doesn't necessarily mean bad!
My guess with the popping is possibly the filters control voltage draining very quickly to ground through transistors or even capacitors at some stage in the filter circuit . Sometimes this remedied with CV reject internal trimmers . Great video again Marc , as ive mentioned before one of the best synth demo channels imo👍👍👍👍
Is the clicking 'problem' to do with very short envelopes + VCO waveforms starting at a non-zero point? In this case you'd get a jump in the output from the VCA. I've noticed this a bit on my modular. Lengthening attack time slightly solves it... and doing this would have the effect of smoothing that initial 'switch on' of the wave. I wonder if the click could be disappeared by hard-syncing the VCOs to reset to a zero-crossing point at the start of note sync?
Thanks again for this video Marc. Keep up the great videos! And thanks to Korg for brining this lovely machine to mere mortals like me. I would never be able to afford a proper poly synth, otherwise. This sharing of info online (your videos) is certainly encouraging companies like Korg make synths into works of art, again. I also thought the Volca Sample was something quite special.
+Birds Eye Maple Thank you for watching! Yes, I am astounded at how powerful this is for the money. It really is the solution for anyone who wants it all for a very modest price. I haven't checked the Volca Sample out yet, but it does look very cool!
+AutomaticGainsay I think you would appreciate the Volca Sample, and the immense possibilities despite its 4mb sampling capacity. Hopefully you might do a segment on it one day. It is a very capable sampler, and it has a quality of sound unlike a software sampler or an MPC2000.
Thanks Marc. Enjoying your enthusiasm as always. My Minilogue is on order and I hope to get it in a few weeks. BTW - although its a couple years old now you need to do an in-depth look at the Bass Station ll. I have one and love it. It a fun synth to program, play and has very broad sound creation possibilities. Keep doing what you do best. :)
memespace agreed....negative keytracking is only something I usually find on softies. Its great for basses, or dark pads. Even with parallel filters, with one positive halfway and the other negative halfway, lots of interesting things to be done with it. Seems like an easy thing to implement, and wish it was on more synths.
I have a JP8080 with the same clicking "problem". All I have to do is give all custom patches a little longer attack and the clicking is gone, if its an issue.
Can you get rid of the 'pop' by simply upping the Amp EG attack time a little? Or is that not what's making this thing pop? Sounds great all the same. The pop doesn't bother me.
For some reason, when I turn both VCOs down and try to get those organ sounds with just the filter, I am not getting any sound at all.. My board looks identical to the one shown. Just got this thing yesterday, so I'm still learning. Any ideas of what I'm missing? Thank you all.
I may be awfully late, or sharing info you already know, but you must turn the resonance up, and use keyboard tracking aswell. Beyond that, it might be a defective unit
Nice, would be nice if it had completely variable key tracking knob to really tune in on those squelchy bass sounds, but can't complain, this can do a lot!
Int stands for intensity. (Some argue interval/internation as increasing the intensity increases the difference between the highest and lowest points of whatever parameters you are passing through the LFO/Envelope/pitch,mod wheel.) also the clicking isn't really a problem as it only occurs noticeably when you don't have any VCO's up. I notice it on all the synths I own. Vintage and modern analogue. And if you don't want it, then a tiny amount of Attack on your Amp EG will remove it. :)
+Dr. Ray Well, I guess since I didn't stop it from happening, I was enjoying it. To be honest, when it's happening, it reminds me of my Hohner Pianet T. But if it had bothered me, a simple minor adjustment of the envelope would have fixed it.
Regarding the clicky-attack issue, I believe Nick at Sonicstate found that it's an easy fix by activating portamento but setting it to zero (or something). He goes over it in his usual wonderful, thoughtful detail. I'm 2 years late to the party on this thread but wanted to throw that out just in case it might help someone.
Marc, are you creating the new sounds from scratch, or are you initiating the sounds with an existing sound in the 100 sound database that comes with the Minilogue? Does one have to go into the "edit" mode when fooling around with a sound close to what you want, or is it ok to just fiddle around with it without messing up the existing sound ? Just curious. Love your presentations, Marc!!! Keep up the great work! dc
I usually go to one of the init patches and start there. that way, I'm aware of all of the functions that are present, and making distinct choices about what I want. Thank you!
On my model, the closed filter popping comes and goes, so I'm guessing it's something to do with component drift. So if I want to do a take without filter popping, I just have to wait for the right time :) I'm OK with that. Kylie is a bit of a diva. On the organ-like sounds, it actually adds to the sound, because it's like a percussive key click.
This sounds great, and I'm looking forward to picking mine up when it ships! Am I imagining it, or is there some stepping with the filter on high resonance? If done right, it could actually make it easier to tune.
i got really lost in the part about filter self oscillation and using the filter as an oscillator while the vcos are turned down. can you explain this a bit more?
Okay, so a tone is made up of a whole bunch of harmonics stacked on top of each other going from low frequencies to high frequencies. We don't hear these harmonics as individual notes (although they are sine waves at specific frequencies), we hear them as part of the timbre of a sound. We mostly hear the fundamental and the first couple harmonics, and the rest just make up timbre. However, they are still individual tones with their own frequency. So, when you amplify one of them, you hear a sine wave. The resonance function of a filter boosts the harmonic at the filter cutoff point. Doing so changes the harmonic structure of a tone, and gives it a new timbre. If you turn the resonance all the way up, it actually makes the harmonic at the filter cutoff loud enough to hear... and all of a sudden, you have this audible sine wave happening. The filter, at that point, becomes an oscillator because it is now outputting a sine wave. You can control the frequency of that sine wave by "tuning" it with the filter cutoff knob. The filter cutoff defines the frequency of harmonic where the filter cuts off other harmonics, so it can be "tuned" to play whatever frequency of harmonic you want to be the sine wave. The keyboard function controls the filter cutoff according to the voltage put out by the keyboard, and since the keyboard is designed to put out voltages that align with note frequencies, the filter cutoff plays the harmonic at the filter cutoff point like a note. So, the filter becomes an oscillator that can be controlled by the keyboard.
Please help: The key track lever does not seem to be working at all on my minilogue. When it is on and the oscillators off the keys don't make any sound, I tried different combinations and still it seems not to be functional. Did anyone encountered something like this, or am I missing something? Do you think there is something which could repair the problem, or should I reclaim it with the shop? Thank you
the clicking is just the nature of the amp EG. when attack and/or release are at dead zero you get clicks. even the slightest move above zero and the clicks disappear
If you repeatedly press down a key over and over again the clicks are more or less pronounced . I heard that it depends on where in the actual waveform cycle you happen to be when the envelope is triggered?
+Dan Erickson They are two completely different tools for different purposes! I think both are worth having. :D But I'm a monophonic guy, so I might be a little inclined towards the MS-20. At least at first. :D
People talk about the clicks(that has been largely reduced since this video)...but doesn't the minilogue have faster envelopes than your average vintage synth?
+Herr Absurd There is this weird thing happening in regard to the Minilogue that is "this doesn't operate as I expect it to" or "this doesn't operate in the way many other things do" or "these values are different" and somehow, it's translating to "there is something wrong." I think I've been working with vintage analog too long to think of these things as problems, but rather the status quo. :D
+AutomaticGainsay Got to say I'm with you Mark. Whenever anything new comes out there's always some demographic moaning about it and saying this is wrong or that is missing or this should be that instead. Especially with lower priced items which, in some sense, must be compromises there are those who just want to complain. The Minilogue is a whole heap of stuff for less cash than you would expect. I can take quirks if that is the deal. The world would be much worse if everything was perfect. And, as you know, much that is "vintage" wasn't perfect anyway.
You guys, these responses are wonderfully refreshing compared to much of what I'm seeing on forums. Thank you. :) If someone is inexplicably concerned with these clicks, or these other non-issues that seem to be generating so much conversation, they're missing out on the truly staggering synthesis possibilities extant in this synth. I am surprised, pleased, and often awed at what this synth is capable of. The fact that this unimportant quirky minutia is generating so much conversation, let alone concern, is depressing to me. I agree with Richard... if people want predictable and precise results for every function, they have literally no business looking into analog synths at all. There is a world of delightfully precise, accurate, and predictable functionality in digital and software synths.
+AutomaticGainsay If you read my entry above you will know I just purchased my 10th synth. Well I seriously believe the Korg Minilogue is most likely going to be number 11. My fingers have been hovering over the purchase button in my cart at the Sweetwater website for the past couple days. That almost clav sounding funky bass in this video may have tipped me over the edge. The clicks will add the percussion to my organ sounds.
I would like to hear his honest unabashed opinions/thoughts on what he thinks about these new "modern" analogs in terms of tone, compared to the vintage synths he loves. For me, once you play a vintage Prophet 5 , mini D or minikorg700s, these new analogs sound rather dark and cold. I want to know what he REALLY thinks. Not a politically correct equivocal statement, but his honest critical opinion.
+Free Breeze I want to know what he thinks, too! Oh, wait, do you mean me? :D Yes, the truth is that many of the analog synths that are coming out today do not sound like vintage analog synths. And why? Well, I blame users, mostly. People can't cope with having to keep an eye on tuning... about unpredictable variances... about noise... about distortion. Companies can't risk there being a negative response about these things, and consumers, in general, think they are the WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOMES without realizing that these things make analog synths sound warm, organic, and great. So, it is my unabashed view that vintage tone is not really happening in a lot of modern analogs. But, it is also my view that a lot of modern analogs sound really great. The Minilogue, to me, doesn't sound like a vintage analog synth... but it has enough analog character to excite me and inspire me. And its modern functionality and unique tone excite me even more. It really is one of my favorite analog polysynths, and I'm not saying that because I'm trying to flirt with Korg. Like I've said elsewhere, I'd climb up a ladder of Juno 6s to get to a Minilogue!
@@automaticgainsay That is a very interesting theory! And what you said makes sense regarding what I "Don't like" about modern analog polys. To me they sound to perfect if that makes any sense? too static and sterile. I listen to old record's and what really moves me emotionally (besides superior song writing and musical tastes of the time) is the fact that the synths sound spooky and all over the place. They sound like a shitty old machine in a space and time.... existential you know? Particularly those big pads in songs about the cold war from certain german new wave bands;)
+Free Breeze When the envelope attack and release are set to zero, and the filter is relatively closed, you can hear clicks... but easing off the zeros makes it stop.
+Semertzides Indeed, correct. I was only listening at the time. It's no biggie though as I'm incorrect in my comment, secondly with initiated. Rather it's Initialize.... (frustrated grimace)
I was so psyched to buy this synth, thought the "clicking" wouldn't be a problem. But this video changed my mind. When the filter is closed down in a very practical range, the clicking is horrendous. So, the functionality of this synth was just halved, so no longer a reasonable purchase. Think maybe Behringer is going to win 2018/2019. So funny to hear the angry Roland fan boys who bought all the digital boutique crap crying about Behringer releasing the analog synths the fan boys have been begging for for 20 years. They've suddenly developed a conscience and are freaking out about a company other than Roland making what they want with public open source designs. Lolz.
Everybody has their own style, but I have to say that never has what this product is evincing been a problem for me. If you have the filter absolutely closed, what the hell are you doing with it? It makes no sense at all. Also, this "problem" can be completely remedied by altering your envelope slightly, and you'll still get the full range of sounds you might want. If you're coming away from this video put off by the non-issue of this fixable quirk, then I am very confused indeed. Please watch my videos on the issue.
Please read my comment again, or to save you time, I'll quote it here for you: "When the filter is closed down in a very practical range, the clicking is horrendous." To which you replied, "If you have the filter absolutely closed, what the hell are you doing with it?" Maybe you were in a hurry when you replied, but in my experience, when someone responds dishonestly like this, they are either a salesman or some form of politician, either way, the intent is to mislead. Save your time for the gullible, no reply necessary.
Int in this instance refers to intensity. Anyway Mr Doty I just wanted to sincerely thank you for your knowledge. I fell in love with the idea and sounds of the synthesizer back in the 80's as a young teen. Due to life and circumstance I was unable to pursue owning one until recently. It was when I discovered one of your videos about a year ago that I was hit with the bug again. I just purchased my tenth synth (a Sub 37) and I can honestly say that you have taught me everything I know about how a synth works and how to create sound. I also hold you personally responsible for my analog synthesizer addiction affliction. Seriously though you are a great teacher and your videos have been extremely informative and helpful. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. What you do on here is a great thing.
+Richard Farabaugh Wow, thank you SO much, Richard. That means a lot to me! I'm glad I could help.
+AutomaticGainsay I couldn't agree more. every video is an inspiration.
+Richard Farabaugh Yes! It was Marc's intro to the Microbrute that got me back into analog synthesis after my own Juno died years ago. I saw the video and thought "Wow! What a synth..... Wow! What a shirt!" ;)
Richard Farabaugh anothe testimonial to the persuasive and inspirational role of mr. Marc's tutorial. I too was encouraged to perch assent first volca after watching the Volca tutorial series. I did look at other tutorials but Marc's teaching accompanied with his performance were the push factor. Here I am prepping again!
Your enjoyment of the mini is really coming through in these videos. More than anything, I see it in the long pauses where you go quiet and just riff around. It's what happens to me when I discover a patch with an interesting envelope setting. Also, I love watching the scope as you play!
+Crolodon Those pauses are totally an indication that I'm having fun... and I can't believe how often it has happened in this series. I am actually distracted from what I'm doing relatively often because of how interesting this keyboard is.
+AutomaticGainsay I just picked the Minilogue up today. It's fantastic, already lost 5 hours to it!
Mr Doty, thank you for being the voice of reason on this whole 'clicky envelopes' debate and these excellent demos on the basic soundshaping tools of this awesome little synth :) Can't wait for it to be available here in the Netherlands.
+Lennart Verhoeff Thank you, Lennart! I'm just trying to keep it real. I understand that the clicking is unexpected, but unexpected doesn't necessarily mean bad!
Thank you so much for these videos @AutomaticGainsay ! You make everything about synths understandable. Cant wait for more on the Minilogue.
+cometlare Thank you very much for watching, and I'm glad I can help! More Minilogue on the way!
My guess with the popping is possibly the filters control voltage draining very quickly to ground through transistors or even capacitors at some stage in the filter circuit . Sometimes this remedied with CV reject internal trimmers . Great video again Marc , as ive mentioned before one of the best synth demo channels imo👍👍👍👍
Is the clicking 'problem' to do with very short envelopes + VCO waveforms starting at a non-zero point? In this case you'd get a jump in the output from the VCA.
I've noticed this a bit on my modular. Lengthening attack time slightly solves it... and doing this would have the effect of smoothing that initial 'switch on' of the wave.
I wonder if the click could be disappeared by hard-syncing the VCOs to reset to a zero-crossing point at the start of note sync?
Yes my guess was similar or a extremly fast and high control voltage bump.
Thanks again for this video Marc. Keep up the great videos! And thanks to Korg for brining this lovely machine to mere mortals like me. I would never be able to afford a proper poly synth, otherwise. This sharing of info online (your videos) is certainly encouraging companies like Korg make synths into works of art, again. I also thought the Volca Sample was something quite special.
+Birds Eye Maple Thank you for watching!
Yes, I am astounded at how powerful this is for the money. It really is the solution for anyone who wants it all for a very modest price.
I haven't checked the Volca Sample out yet, but it does look very cool!
+AutomaticGainsay I think you would appreciate the Volca Sample, and the immense possibilities despite its 4mb sampling capacity. Hopefully you might do a segment on it one day. It is a very capable sampler, and it has a quality of sound unlike a software sampler or an MPC2000.
if you fiddle with the adsr the clicking sound goes away.
Thanks Marc. Enjoying your enthusiasm as always. My Minilogue is on order and I hope to get it in a few weeks. BTW - although its a couple years old now you need to do an in-depth look at the Bass Station ll. I have one and love it. It a fun synth to program, play and has very broad sound creation possibilities. Keep doing what you do best. :)
Yeah I combine my bs 2 with minilogue, bs 2 is deeper sounding, so keep it, it's a great bottom to the minilogue.
I love inverted keytracking. I like my bass bright and treble muffled. Such a rare feature on synths, though!
memespace agreed....negative keytracking is only something I usually find on softies. Its great for basses, or dark pads. Even with parallel filters, with one positive halfway and the other negative halfway, lots of interesting things to be done with it. Seems like an easy thing to implement, and wish it was on more synths.
I have a JP8080 with the same clicking "problem". All I have to do is give all custom patches a little longer attack and the clicking is gone, if its an issue.
what is the steam coming off the top. or did i switch up my antacids with my LSD again?
+Michael Neu :D
Can you get rid of the 'pop' by simply upping the Amp EG attack time a little? Or is that not what's making this thing pop? Sounds great all the same. The pop doesn't bother me.
EG INT stands for Enveloppe Generator Intensity ;)
+Semertzides Thank you!
For some reason, when I turn both VCOs down and try to get those organ sounds with just the filter, I am not getting any sound at all.. My board looks identical to the one shown. Just got this thing yesterday, so I'm still learning. Any ideas of what I'm missing? Thank you all.
I have the same issue!
Did you find out anything about it?
I may be awfully late, or sharing info you already know, but you must turn the resonance up, and use keyboard tracking aswell. Beyond that, it might be a defective unit
This is a hot synth: Smoke coming from the backside !
+My Kingdom Melodies Heeee
Nice, would be nice if it had completely variable key tracking knob to really tune in on those squelchy bass sounds, but can't complain, this can do a lot!
Pretty clever modulation capability. Like it.
More great content. Thanks Marc!
+DivKidVideo Thank you!!
Int stands for intensity. (Some argue interval/internation as increasing the intensity increases the difference between the highest and lowest points of whatever parameters you are passing through the LFO/Envelope/pitch,mod wheel.) also the clicking isn't really a problem as it only occurs noticeably when you don't have any VCO's up. I notice it on all the synths I own. Vintage and modern analogue. And if you don't want it, then a tiny amount of Attack on your Amp EG will remove it. :)
@AutomaticGainsay what do you think about the clickiness @5:45? I find myself wishing it was not there.
+Dr. Ray Well, I guess since I didn't stop it from happening, I was enjoying it. To be honest, when it's happening, it reminds me of my Hohner Pianet T.
But if it had bothered me, a simple minor adjustment of the envelope would have fixed it.
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Cool, thanks for the reply!
Regarding the clicky-attack issue, I believe Nick at Sonicstate found that it's an easy fix by activating portamento but setting it to zero (or something). He goes over it in his usual wonderful, thoughtful detail. I'm 2 years late to the party on this thread but wanted to throw that out just in case it might help someone.
Marc, are you creating the new sounds from scratch, or are you initiating the sounds with an existing sound in the 100 sound database that comes with the Minilogue? Does one have to go into the "edit" mode when fooling around with a sound close to what you want, or is it ok to just fiddle around with it without messing up the existing sound ? Just curious. Love your presentations, Marc!!! Keep up the great work! dc
I usually go to one of the init patches and start there. that way, I'm aware of all of the functions that are present, and making distinct choices about what I want.
Thank you!
the sound at 6:59 was really nice
Wasn't there supposed to be some kind of update to get rid of that popping?
+davidevoid The popping is most likely due to one of the analog components which wouldn't be an issue a system update would fix.
On my model, the closed filter popping comes and goes, so I'm guessing it's something to do with component drift. So if I want to do a take without filter popping, I just have to wait for the right time :) I'm OK with that. Kylie is a bit of a diva. On the organ-like sounds, it actually adds to the sound, because it's like a percussive key click.
This sounds great, and I'm looking forward to picking mine up when it ships!
Am I imagining it, or is there some stepping with the filter on high resonance? If done right, it could actually make it easier to tune.
+Robert Jackel I believe that there is, actually!
+AutomaticGainsay Did you find it troublesome?
i got really lost in the part about filter self oscillation and using the filter as an oscillator while the vcos are turned down. can you explain this a bit more?
Okay, so a tone is made up of a whole bunch of harmonics stacked on top of each other going from low frequencies to high frequencies. We don't hear these harmonics as individual notes (although they are sine waves at specific frequencies), we hear them as part of the timbre of a sound. We mostly hear the fundamental and the first couple harmonics, and the rest just make up timbre. However, they are still individual tones with their own frequency. So, when you amplify one of them, you hear a sine wave.
The resonance function of a filter boosts the harmonic at the filter cutoff point. Doing so changes the harmonic structure of a tone, and gives it a new timbre. If you turn the resonance all the way up, it actually makes the harmonic at the filter cutoff loud enough to hear... and all of a sudden, you have this audible sine wave happening. The filter, at that point, becomes an oscillator because it is now outputting a sine wave.
You can control the frequency of that sine wave by "tuning" it with the filter cutoff knob. The filter cutoff defines the frequency of harmonic where the filter cuts off other harmonics, so it can be "tuned" to play whatever frequency of harmonic you want to be the sine wave. The keyboard function controls the filter cutoff according to the voltage put out by the keyboard, and since the keyboard is designed to put out voltages that align with note frequencies, the filter cutoff plays the harmonic at the filter cutoff point like a note.
So, the filter becomes an oscillator that can be controlled by the keyboard.
wow amazing explanation. i get it now! thank you for explaining this to me. i appreciate it very much!
Please help: The key track lever does not seem to be working at all on my minilogue. When it is on and the oscillators off the keys don't make any sound, I tried different combinations and still it seems not to be functional. Did anyone encountered something like this, or am I missing something? Do you think there is something which could repair the problem, or should I reclaim it with the shop? Thank you
Are you turning up the resonance and filter cutoff?
how do you direct the EG to control different parameters? cause when you do it it seems to happen telepathically
eg int knobs
the clicking is just the nature of the amp EG. when attack and/or release are at dead zero you get clicks. even the slightest move above zero and the clicks disappear
+okkoto This fact seems to escape some people. :)
If you repeatedly press down a key over and over again the clicks are more or less pronounced . I heard that it depends on where in the actual waveform cycle you happen to be when the envelope is triggered?
+Olle Andersson I'm trying it out right now. I don't hear clicks unless attack and release are all the way counter clockwise
+Olle Andersson and actually it's really easy to hear the clicks when you close the filter, and also easy to hear how you can dial them away
+AutomaticGainsay Truth.
I'm thinking about getting a synth. I'm leaning toward the MS 20 over the Minilogue. What do you think?
+Dan Erickson They are two completely different tools for different purposes! I think both are worth having. :D But I'm a monophonic guy, so I might be a little inclined towards the MS-20. At least at first. :D
People talk about the clicks(that has been largely reduced since this video)...but doesn't the minilogue have faster envelopes than your average vintage synth?
I’m sure the click goes away as you raise the attack knob in the amp eg section
Nice one Marc :-)
+jamie munro Thank you, Jamie!
Old electro organs click too and it is considered to be a good effect.
+Thomas Janowsky I agree!
EG INT is envelope generator intensity.
+Christopher wootton Thank you, Christopher!
RE: the clicking "problem". Its only a problem if you think it is. I say embrace it as part of the sound and stop being so conventional!
+Herr Absurd There is this weird thing happening in regard to the Minilogue that is "this doesn't operate as I expect it to" or "this doesn't operate in the way many other things do" or "these values are different" and somehow, it's translating to "there is something wrong."
I think I've been working with vintage analog too long to think of these things as problems, but rather the status quo. :D
+AutomaticGainsay Got to say I'm with you Mark. Whenever anything new comes out there's always some demographic moaning about it and saying this is wrong or that is missing or this should be that instead. Especially with lower priced items which, in some sense, must be compromises there are those who just want to complain. The Minilogue is a whole heap of stuff for less cash than you would expect. I can take quirks if that is the deal. The world would be much worse if everything was perfect. And, as you know, much that is "vintage" wasn't perfect anyway.
+Herr Absurd Its the imperfections that add to the individuality and character of the instrument. If you want perfection go digital/software..
You guys, these responses are wonderfully refreshing compared to much of what I'm seeing on forums. Thank you. :)
If someone is inexplicably concerned with these clicks, or these other non-issues that seem to be generating so much conversation, they're missing out on the truly staggering synthesis possibilities extant in this synth. I am surprised, pleased, and often awed at what this synth is capable of. The fact that this unimportant quirky minutia is generating so much conversation, let alone concern, is depressing to me.
I agree with Richard... if people want predictable and precise results for every function, they have literally no business looking into analog synths at all. There is a world of delightfully precise, accurate, and predictable functionality in digital and software synths.
+AutomaticGainsay If you read my entry above you will know I just purchased my 10th synth. Well I seriously believe the Korg Minilogue is most likely going to be number 11. My fingers have been hovering over the purchase button in my cart at the Sweetwater website for the past couple days. That almost clav sounding funky bass in this video may have tipped me over the edge. The clicks will add the percussion to my organ sounds.
I would like to hear his honest unabashed opinions/thoughts on what he thinks about these new "modern" analogs in terms of tone, compared to the vintage synths he loves. For me, once you play a vintage Prophet 5 , mini D or minikorg700s, these new analogs sound rather dark and cold. I want to know what he REALLY thinks. Not a politically correct equivocal statement, but his honest critical opinion.
+Free Breeze I want to know what he thinks, too!
Oh, wait, do you mean me? :D
Yes, the truth is that many of the analog synths that are coming out today do not sound like vintage analog synths. And why? Well, I blame users, mostly. People can't cope with having to keep an eye on tuning... about unpredictable variances... about noise... about distortion. Companies can't risk there being a negative response about these things, and consumers, in general, think they are the WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOMES without realizing that these things make analog synths sound warm, organic, and great.
So, it is my unabashed view that vintage tone is not really happening in a lot of modern analogs. But, it is also my view that a lot of modern analogs sound really great.
The Minilogue, to me, doesn't sound like a vintage analog synth... but it has enough analog character to excite me and inspire me. And its modern functionality and unique tone excite me even more. It really is one of my favorite analog polysynths, and I'm not saying that because I'm trying to flirt with Korg. Like I've said elsewhere, I'd climb up a ladder of Juno 6s to get to a Minilogue!
@@automaticgainsay That is a very interesting theory! And what you said makes sense regarding what I
"Don't like" about modern analog polys. To me they sound to perfect if that makes any sense? too static and sterile. I listen to old record's and what really moves me emotionally (besides superior song writing and musical tastes of the time) is the fact that the synths sound spooky and all over the place. They sound like a shitty old machine in a space and time.... existential you know? Particularly those big pads in songs about the cold war from certain german new wave bands;)
DEEP DARK BASSES
5:05 Lots of "popping" going on from the envs I gather?
+Free Breeze When the envelope attack and release are set to zero, and the filter is relatively closed, you can hear clicks... but easing off the zeros makes it stop.
EG Intensity (?)
+saudiarabiuzsz Ha ha, sorry. Yes. Thank you. :D
INT - intensity.....you asked!
+cresshead I did! Thank you. :D
IntensityINT
Init = Initiated patch
+LatigidGolana He's talking about EG INT, which stands for Intensity ;)
+Semertzides Indeed, correct. I was only listening at the time. It's no biggie though as I'm incorrect in my comment, secondly with initiated. Rather it's Initialize.... (frustrated grimace)
Pretty sure your courtesy just broke UA-cam!
Semertzides
LMAO! Probably!
int = "intensity"
I was so psyched to buy this synth, thought the "clicking" wouldn't be a problem. But this video changed my mind. When the filter is closed down in a very practical range, the clicking is horrendous. So, the functionality of this synth was just halved, so no longer a reasonable purchase. Think maybe Behringer is going to win 2018/2019. So funny to hear the angry Roland fan boys who bought all the digital boutique crap crying about Behringer releasing the analog synths the fan boys have been begging for for 20 years. They've suddenly developed a conscience and are freaking out about a company other than Roland making what they want with public open source designs. Lolz.
Everybody has their own style, but I have to say that never has what this product is evincing been a problem for me. If you have the filter absolutely closed, what the hell are you doing with it? It makes no sense at all.
Also, this "problem" can be completely remedied by altering your envelope slightly, and you'll still get the full range of sounds you might want.
If you're coming away from this video put off by the non-issue of this fixable quirk, then I am very confused indeed. Please watch my videos on the issue.
Please read my comment again, or to save you time, I'll quote it here for you: "When the filter is closed down in a very practical range, the clicking is horrendous." To which you replied, "If you have the filter absolutely closed, what the hell are you doing with it?" Maybe you were in a hurry when you replied, but in my experience, when someone responds dishonestly like this, they are either a salesman or some form of politician, either way, the intent is to mislead. Save your time for the gullible, no reply necessary.
Intro and extro are too long. Great chance to learn in your videos, though. Thanks.