The Dark Reality of Vulcan: The Planetology of Star Trek’s Harshest Planet

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  • Опубліковано 16 лис 2024

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  • @SuperChicken666
    @SuperChicken666 5 місяців тому +5

    It's amazing how just one throw-a-way line, meant to be funny, Spock's brief description of the sehlat, perhaps seven words, has grown to such mythical proportions. It probably took the writer two minutes to come up with it and write it down.😊

  • @ckwongau2008
    @ckwongau2008 5 місяців тому +16

    after the Unification the Planet Vulcan was rename Ni'Var, by then in a orbital view of the planet , we can see Ocean and green continent , i think by 32nd the Romulan and Vulcan had terraform the planet into nicer planet .

  • @shockcat5988
    @shockcat5988 5 місяців тому +4

    It is so interesting how the only advanced government they can think of is an all powerful council with no checks and balances.

  • @JohnZimmermanZIMMproductions
    @JohnZimmermanZIMMproductions 5 місяців тому +7

    Love your videos. Great channel name!!

    • @Starbase1
      @Starbase1  5 місяців тому +4

      Thanks dude:) Welcome to the channel.

  • @megalictis9002
    @megalictis9002 5 місяців тому +1

    I am really enjoying this channel! I like your format and I find your graphics very attractive. I never saw the structure of the Vulcan solar system on any other channel!
    Did the migration of the proto-Romulans also occur in earth's 4th Century? Did Vulcan, or the Romulans have any interaction with the Orion Empire in its heyday, or was that earlier (or elsewhere)?

  • @PutYourQuarterUpGaming
    @PutYourQuarterUpGaming 2 місяці тому

    LOL wow…ya I know that system. From Elite Dangerous.
    Quite cool seeing twin stars way out there, quite a hyper cruise trip too.

  • @ronschmidtling
    @ronschmidtling 5 місяців тому +1

    Wait- nothing about Spock's apparently believable ruse of being a "trader in Kevas and Trillium?" What the heck are those things?

  • @Lethgar_Smith
    @Lethgar_Smith 5 місяців тому +7

    Star Trek has always been a metaphor for the future of humanity, in more ways than most people think.
    The way the Vulcan culture is described in the original series, that of a race of people who lived in a world of violence and oppression who were ultimately able, in their darkest hour, to transform the darkness into light.
    This is actually a common theme throughout the galaxy: the transformation of darkness into light. It is something humans on Earth are on the verge of doing themselves. This is a very exciting time to be on Earth. That's why it's so crowded here now. All the souls want to be a part of the great drama that is currently unfolding here.
    The two views of Earth are finally splitting apart and will no longer share the same space/time continuum as we have over the last few thousand years. The constant battle between the forces of darkness and light or the so-called "right" and "left" will finally come to an end. Those who prefer the world of darkness and oppression will separate from this reality and those who prefer the light will no longer have to experience such people in their lives, we will no longer have to share power with darkness. The U.S. political pendulum that has swung back and forth every 8 years or so is now over. American right wing extremism is coming to a final end.
    The world of Star Trek is just around the corner and will happen sooner than most have predicted.
    First Contact is going to happen very soon and quickly after that, our technology will accelerate at a pace not seen since the industrial revolution. We will have star ships way before the 23rd century. In fact by the time the 23rd century gets here, the Earth will be mostly depopulated and will be a nature preserve with only a few scattered human settlements and research stations. Humanity will become a fully space fairing civilization and part of a much large community of beings that inhabit the galaxy.

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions 5 місяців тому +4

      Pot, kettle, BLACK?

    • @surferdude4487
      @surferdude4487 5 місяців тому

      Both extremes, left and right, have to go.Neither is correct. Both are tyranny . The sooner we all realize that, the better off we will all be.
      But yes, the world has to change for the better and soon. The way we live today is not sustainable.

    • @megalictis9002
      @megalictis9002 5 місяців тому

      " All the souls want to be a part of the great drama that is currently unfolding here."
      What the fuck is a "soul?!?"

    • @surferdude4487
      @surferdude4487 5 місяців тому

      So. You erased my reply. That's fine. You are not worthy of such enlightenment.

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions 5 місяців тому

      @@megalictis9002 Are.

  • @jeffhallam2004
    @jeffhallam2004 3 місяці тому

    Great video!!!!

  • @illudiumq36spacemodulator39
    @illudiumq36spacemodulator39 5 місяців тому +6

    they prospered because the live long

  • @BeastSabbath
    @BeastSabbath 11 днів тому

    Well done!

  • @ravinraven6913
    @ravinraven6913 5 місяців тому +1

    It's weird how they have different color skin when it all parts of the planet get the same amount of light, so no way for different colors. To be dark skinned like Tuvok would be a death sentence for primitive Vulcans. But I believe after the Klingons blew up their moon, Qo'noS would be the harshest.

    • @megalictis9002
      @megalictis9002 5 місяців тому +1

      Why would darker dermal pigmentation be a "death sentence" for "primitive Vulcans?" Among humans, those who lived in areas of intense sunlight developed dark skin coloration to protect against ultraviolet (UV) light, mainly to protect their body from vitamin B-9 (folate) depletion, as B-9 is important in red blood cell formation and for healthy cell growth and function. Obviously Vulcans are green-blooded and I don't know if folate has any bearing on Vulcan cell growth, so I would speculate that dermal pigmentation variation must serve some other biological function among Vulcans that is specific both to their biology and their ecology. It's just like the blue-skinned Andorians living beneath the surface along with their pale Einar minority - the cause for the variation isn't the same as among humans.

    • @cmbaz1140
      @cmbaz1140 5 місяців тому

      Its fairly well known that the concentration of melanin is high in lifeforms close to radiation sources often being exposed for a few generations ...the planet was subject to radiation on many occasions and for a prolonged time...
      So i was kinda sure it was because of all the radiation...

  • @morgothfromangband6082
    @morgothfromangband6082 5 місяців тому +4

    I thought the harshest planet would be home of the Klingons.

    • @TheMrPeteChannel
      @TheMrPeteChannel 5 місяців тому +3

      There's a few places on Klingon/Kling/Kronos/Homeworld (yeah, it had a bunch of name changes) that are earth-like.

    • @skywise001
      @skywise001 5 місяців тому

      Klingons have proved to be pretty good stewards of their land from what we've seen.

    • @ravinraven6913
      @ravinraven6913 5 місяців тому +1

      oh yea, Qo'noS after they blew their moon up would suck!

    • @megalictis9002
      @megalictis9002 5 місяців тому +1

      And yet the Klingons exiled criminals to Rura Penthe because it was worse... (at least before Praxis blew up).

    • @DanielAppleton-lr9eq
      @DanielAppleton-lr9eq 5 місяців тому

      @@megalictis9002 Must've SEEMED more hospitable, a neat trick.

  • @johncrowe6470
    @johncrowe6470 5 місяців тому +4

    You are mixing universes here. Delta Vega in the 40 Eridani system was in the Abramsverse, while in the Original Series it is in the galactic rim. Also, you are using info from Enterprise and the Discovery/Strange New Worlds universes

    • @michaelstaengl1349
      @michaelstaengl1349 5 місяців тому +3

      ST:ENT, ST:DIS and ST:SNW are part of the Star Trek main canon especially the main timeline of the prime universe whether you like it or not.
      The rules Gene Roddenberry himself laid out were clear:
      Everything Star Trek which appeared on the small screen a.k.a. TV and in extend to that on modern online streaming services and the big silver screen in movie theaters is canonical. The only exception which was made were most parts of the old ST:TAS which wasn't considered canon.
      All books, almost everything in computer games is not considered canon.
      According to the original rules of Gene Roddenberry, your accusations are not of merit.

    • @scottsimon3034
      @scottsimon3034 5 місяців тому +2

      Wrong. Star Trek discovery is an abomination to everything Trek as is Strange new worlds.

    • @kimabrams97
      @kimabrams97 5 місяців тому

      Nerd

    • @morebaileyskim
      @morebaileyskim 5 місяців тому +2

      @@scottsimon3034an abomination 😂 and you just say « no » like you have some magic power to make it not so 😂 😂 😂

    • @scottsimon3034
      @scottsimon3034 5 місяців тому

      @@kimabrams97 and proud of it.

  • @skywise001
    @skywise001 5 місяців тому

    What about the world with the telekinetic juice? (TOS)

    • @megalictis9002
      @megalictis9002 5 місяців тому

      "Telekinetic juice?" You mean the "kironide" in the food on the planet Platonius in the episode "Plato's Stepchildren?"

  • @TheMrPeteChannel
    @TheMrPeteChannel 5 місяців тому +2

    Didn't STD made Vulcan more earth-like?

    • @aldunlop4622
      @aldunlop4622 5 місяців тому

      STD is a lie.

    • @megalictis9002
      @megalictis9002 5 місяців тому

      @@aldunlop4622 Not if you catch one! 😉

    • @megalictis9002
      @megalictis9002 5 місяців тому

      If an STD made Vulcan more earth-like... I blame James Kirk!

    • @witchdoctor1394
      @witchdoctor1394 5 місяців тому

      No, it made it a lot more alien.

  • @tomdumb6937
    @tomdumb6937 5 місяців тому

    You completely missed the vulcan romulan schism..

    • @Starbase1
      @Starbase1  5 місяців тому

      Largely because it'll be brought up in full in an upcoming video :)

  • @smartdoctorphysicist3095
    @smartdoctorphysicist3095 5 місяців тому

    Hi can you send me to Vulcan I will be happy for a long visit.

  • @Robert-hz9bj
    @Robert-hz9bj 5 місяців тому +2

    I love the Vulcans, but realistically the Vulcan species makes almost no sense given its climate. Sapient intelligence requires enormous caloric resources. Humans, for example, need 20-33% more calories (adjusted for average body mass) than other primate species. And the Vulcans not only have exceptional intelligence, but are physically much stronger than an average human when adjusted for body weight. Their caloric requirements would probably be at least twice that of an ordinary human. There's no way a planet with such a harsh biome would be able to sustain their needs. For a planet like Vulcan, sapient intelligence would be a dead end, evolution-wise...

    • @AndoCommando1000
      @AndoCommando1000 5 місяців тому +1

      There actually don't seem to be nearly as many Vulcans as humans. Their cities are fairly spartan and not overpopulated, and the planet itself is largely still quite pristine and natural, not overbuilt.

    • @Robert-hz9bj
      @Robert-hz9bj 5 місяців тому

      @@AndoCommando1000 The problem is that it would never even get that far to begin with. Pre-historic Vulcan simply wouldn't have enough food to sustain an intelligent species to the point where its numbers would be great enough to build a technological civilization. Hell, it's doubtful that they'd be able to build up to a population large enough to be genetically viable in the long term. The only way the Vulcans could "work" from an evolutionary perspective would be if they had some kind of mechanism for reducing the number of calories they used. One possible way would be a much less-active lifestyle. Sleeping lengthy periods of time away during the day might do the trick. However, that would also mean that Spock should only be able to do Science Officer stuff for like 3 or 4 hours a day...

    • @witchdoctor1394
      @witchdoctor1394 5 місяців тому

      I remember a theory about going around a LONG time ago that hypothesized that Vulcans perhaps had a partially photosynthetic metabolism.
      There's a radically different chemistry in Vulcan physiology so maybe that helps offset some of the caloric need to maintain advanced brain functions. I do like the idea that they have long sleep cycles/senescent periods as well.

    • @AndoCommando1000
      @AndoCommando1000 5 місяців тому

      @@Robert-hz9bj oh my god, it’s a work of science fiction. Chill.

    • @jasonm625
      @jasonm625 5 місяців тому

      Sapient EARTH life has those requirements (possibly). We are discussing an alien planet and ecology.

  • @james_t_kirk
    @james_t_kirk 5 місяців тому +4

    *I was a fan of the original series, but the instant I saw black Vulcans come along I turned and ran in the opposite direction.*

    • @megalictis9002
      @megalictis9002 5 місяців тому +2

      "Opposite direction"... you mean you're a Star Wars fan?

    • @ronschmidtling
      @ronschmidtling 5 місяців тому +3

      In the original, Vulcans were greenish...

  • @m_hub3957
    @m_hub3957 5 місяців тому

    on more time for those of you so lost
    IT IS CALLED "THE WRITERS" of this fiction
    WOW people, get a damned clue