Rant: NO MORE COMPROMISE || AOR is TOXIC || Be Unreasonable
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2025
- Marc Victor from Attorneys on Retainer has made it his mission to divide our community using outdated, reserved, and "reasonable" approach to second amendment activism. Simply put, the 2A community is no longer reasonable, we are done compromising. TAKE US BACK TO 1791! NO MORE INFRINGEMENTS
His most recent effort has been to use his influence to smear those who dissent from his fictitious world view and how it should apply to our rights.
I am one of those agnostic voices that has spoken out against him and his most recent effort has been to impugn my character on the John Crump Show. Full episode here:
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Can I get a "TAKE US BACK TO 1791!" in the comments?
See the full Episode from John Crump here:
ua-cam.com/video/kYY3wL5TCTM/v-deo.html
@@VSO_Gun_Channel amen
I mean, he's not afraid to lie, cheat, or steal...so doesn't that make him the perfect defense lawyer?
I'll keep this extremely brief.
Yes, driving a vehicle is a right, not a privilege. We have the right to move freely between states. There are no limitations on our method of travel.
We have no right to drive modern automobiles because they did not exist in 1791?
To limit how we may traverse our country is akin to limiting the methods in which we communicate through speech and writing. Laser printers, computers, and the internet did not exist in 1791.
Limiting our means of travel is also the same as limiting what types of arms we may possess and use. Semi-automatic, lever action, slide action (pump action), and bolt action arms didn't exist in 1791 either.
You're almost there, young man, but...
TLDR: If you believe that the use of modern automobiles should be restricted while believing modern means of communication and modern firearms are protected... you're a dumbªss in need of a horse and wagon.
Curt, you provided these guys objective evidence, told them to acknowledge who they are paying money to and empowering, and instead they get mad at you and resort to ad hominem.
Thats hilarious, it means you’re doing right. Meep up the good work😂
Still with the drama? Might have to drop this channel if this is how it continues 😑
I really don’t get it. I read everyone’s contract. Watched everyone video and looked through the sources. I don’t see anything new here that Marc has not already disclosed. I think the AOR contract is superior to others for being actual self defense coverage which no one can say anything negative about, including Curtis in one of his comments under this video. I think USCCA has them beat on covering red flag laws at the moment, if they actually cover you. I think they should just stick to education or being a resource over actual legal defense. I can agree with Curtis that we should all be 2A absolutist and not give anything. That’s what I support GOA for. So I ask, how does this change anything? We live in a fallen world and Marc explained different communities of people have different views. Private property owners can be suspicious of a violent felon or twitching crack head who is armed not because of the weapon, it’s the person. Maybe if they were actually held behind bars or helped back to health this would not be a problem. If a private owner or owners of a private community (not the government) wanted to run people through a background check before entering their house so be it. I just won’t go there if I don’t want to be subject to that in their space. Or if I want make sure someone inexperienced is not handling a weapon in my vicinity and want to know they have some type of competence I will. If someone states intention to commit mass murder I want them to be stopped and checked out.
What I referenced about is Under skullboycowboh9609 comment Curtis admitted there is no negative or positive feedback to AORs as a company in coverage in any state. There is actually positive feedback but nothing negative like there exist for other companies such as USCCA
All lawyers have their personal opinions/views. If you are on trial fighting a murder case I am sure the lawyer you hired will not agree with your actions knowing you are guilty. But hey fuck it fight my damn case and win it. I ain’t paying a lawyer for their personal beliefs I am paying for them to fight my case simple.
Here's how I see it. I don't ask my airline pilot's political affiliation when boarding an airplane. I just have faith that he/she is committed to getting me to my destination safely. Same with the Dr. who did my heart surgery. I didn't ask his opinion on big pharma. I just trusted that he would be great at his job. Just because Marc may occasionally drift out of the lane on 2a matters, I still trust him to do his very best to defend me, should I ever need his service.
This is also the reason why I don't care to hear the opinions most of the guntubers have about Trump's picks for different offices that aren't sufficiently pro-2A for them. I understand that this is their focus, but there are other, bigger problems in this country. I do not see a material difference here.
If I'm on trial after self-defense, the problem that I have is not the opinions of my attorney; the problem I have is that I'm on trial. I don't care what my attorney thinks of me; I care that they make sure that "on trial" does not become "in prison." I want my plumber to fix the geyser of black water in the front yard; I don't care what they think about the pipes in Flint.
I don't believe Mark caused that Republican to lose. It simply wasn't to be. I am and always will be an AOR client. They are and always will be the best choice in self-defense insurance. You have gotten them to add in red flag coverage. Thanks for that. However, we have lost a lot to the gungrabbers little by little, and now we need to get our rights back little by little.
Dude, weren’t you supposed to the debate the man? I’ll start hearing you when you keep your word there.
Yes, he was. But he now claims he does not remember Marc accepting his offer. This guy is an habitual liar...
@@chadlounsberry4352 who's mark?
Wish all this nonsense drama would find a peaceful resolution. But what’s with the thumbnail costume Curtis is wearing 😂😅?!?
Game of thrones
I think you do owe Mark something, I think you owe Mark a huge thank you for getting your channel more views and maybe more subscribers. Great strategy but it getting old.
I have to wonder why such a well stated, innocuous statement would cause a content creator to post several videos on this ? Frankly, I think the AOR rep is right but this isn’t the biggest issue… my concern is why are we, ardent 2A supporters, splitting hairs over semantics when we should be bonding together to fight for improvements in gun regulations when we have FINALLY reached a time where the Administration is not opposed to our cause. FFS guys, THIS is NOT the fight. This is clickbait.
Honestly all this crap is getting old! Everyone that carries and God forbid would have to use it in any way, just wants good help with the whole legal system and to stay out of jail! I haven’t heard anyone say that have not been supported like they expected from AOR like other companies that use insurance.
💯 exactly
Your attack videos continue to make Mark and AOR look subtly more reasonable in the footage where he actually talks. I just don't get it. You're not arguing that USCCA is better, right? Then tell me the alternative you suggest or make one yourself. I don't need you acting like high school girls for content. I need solutions.
You’ve got problems if you’re taking your views on life from a lawyer or attorney. To that end, who cares what he said? If they do their job well, obviously thats the important factor here.
Beyond that is it perhaps an unwise idea to engage in a pissing contest with a lawyer? Probably.
Man, this sounds like some high school drama. Honestly if I signed up for AOR, it wouldn’t be for them to advocate for or lobby for 2A legislation . I support GOA for that. If I got AOR coverage it’s for only one reason. To fight a court case on my behalf, if I act in self defense. That’s it. Thus far, in my research, AOR is the only organization that said they would defend me as long as I made a good faith statement that I acted in self defense, regardless of if I broke any laws. For example, if I was carrying in an unconstitutional ‘gun free zone’ and had to defend myself, AOR definitely said that would be covered. Every other organization I spoke with said that they would not defend me in that scenario, because I violated the law. So I agree, I don’t like all the skeletons in that guy’s closet; however, their coverage (which is all I need from them) appears to be the best at this point.
AOR is not an insurance. It is a service offered by a law firm. An insurance company hires lawyers who communicate your info with the insurance company. That insurance company had nothing to make them keep your info confidential. With AOR, you are hiring a law firm, and you have client attorney confidentiality.
this is becoming my favorite drama channel
@@Dems42A exactly. That along with what I said above about their coverage regardless of whether a law was broken makes them the best option currently. Just like I don’t care if my surgeon shares all of my political views, I just want him to do good work for me. Same goes for an attorney I hire. Would I prefer he share my views, sure, but that takes a backseat to him doing what I hired him to do.
@@Dems42A 😂 the name🤣that shits funny, nice one
The problem arises when they use the money obtained from their service to lobby against some of our gun rights. The service is fantastic, but it comes with a catch essentially. You could get the same thing from many other attorneys. It doesn't have to be from a program. There's lawyer offices everywhere, and I'm sure there's at least some that will take your case. @@usmcvet0313
They're still light years better than uscca
fair
"I wish people would stop attacking others" says the guy who is actually making videos directed at a competitor of his sponsor LOL
You are a hypocrite
Sir, you need to stop thinking your way of holding a rifle is the 'only' right way. So Jerry Miculek holds his revolver or semi the 'wrong way'. Hmmmm, seems to me his way works best for him. LET IT GO SIR.
Yea, name calling and stereotyping an entire generation is insulting and rude. Count me out.
This is like TMZ for the 2a community... im out and gonna get a AoR membership. I've been wanting to for a while, ever since your stoopid BAD lever video. Weird takes, dude
Dude, your rants on AoR are getting old. I enjoy your content in general and I appreciate and support your advocacy for liberty, but I'd hate for you to get unnecessary backlash or for you to lose subscribers
Unapologetically unreasonable is what we are. And I'm fine with that.
Badge of honor. Where's my f16
based and O D Green pilled
Now uncivilized too apparently
Man I'm glad I waffled on AoR, now I pray nothing like this comes from "right to bear." Cause I have been trying to find room in the budget for something like AoR or RtB
What options do I have in NY?
I usually side with you on most things but this is an L brother.
AoR is the only one you can get in WA state as far as I know
I completely disagree with your premise . I didn't see anything wrong with what Mark Victor said in the interview. You took this video as an opportunity to grandstand and show that you're not willing to be involved in the conversation. Not everybody, even if they're on the same side, is going to agree with every policy. The fact remains is that they are attorneys and are required to defend you to the best of their ability. You're supposed to be an advocate for the second amendment and if you're not willing to have the discussion with people who also represent the second amendment but don't necessarily support your understanding tells me that you're not a serious advocate.
Ok Dan fan
@@Nope145 we don’t negotiate with PDF files.
Couldn't have said it better myself, calling yourself "unreasonable" in a discussion has intense vanity drama vibes
@ “unreasonable” in that context was used as a synonym for uncompromising, not irrational.
Use your G.E.D.
@ In no context is unreasonable a synonym for uncompromising. It means not able to be reasoned with or not acting reasonably. Even looked it up on Merriam Webster in case you were right. You are not, use your thesaurus before you use the word "synonym".
And yet another success story that shows what hack VSO is: ua-cam.com/video/_-4PWwLgO64/v-deo.html
Excellent story! You would think if this VSO guy had any kind of class at all he would apologize for what he said about AOR...
I can understand Mark stance on the subject. Being a competent adult 17 18, 19 20. That’s fine as long as you’re competent you know how to use your firearm and when to use your firearm. But there are people out there with metal health challenges that you do not want to have a firearm.
And his commentary/thoughts on the age of consent?
@@boldie24 Thats actually normal in Europe
That sounds okay, but we have mental health people that are mostly against guns, so having people that are not pro guns determining who gets to own a gun isn't smart.
@ very true
@ So that makes it right? You support that? We aren't Europe.....
So, other than raging on this guys political beliefs, has anyone had negative feedback in any state about the service provided by the company? Politics aside, I would rather have reliable representation from an attorney whose purse is NOT controlled by an insurance company.
No negative or positive feedback.
@VSO_Gun_Channel
What the heck! There is plenty of positive feedback.
Just look at what they did in Connecticut.. they are representing their clients pro bono.. they refunded every single member their money due to the state "position" on their services.
What lawyer/law firm or insurance company (insert your self defense service) would do that?
All I hear is Marc defending the lady who murdered her husband who was dropped by uscca. I think uscca is crap and while she is entitled to a defense he needs to not simp for her.
@@franciscosantiago9032 Curtis can't stand that he can't find anything negative about AOR, because you know he has tried and come up short...
@@Unknown-qp9ur She wasn't a customer of AOR so if he is representing her, she is paying their normal hourly rate.....like any defense attorney would. I asked him if she had been a customer of AOR if she would have been covered under their agreement (nothing out of pocket is a self defense incident) or if they would defend her at their regular hourly rate. Crickets.
I wish you and Marc would just have a long form conversation. This back and forth is just keyboard warrior gibberish at this point.
Just stop. You are the one adding fuel to the fire. I know you hate AOR and that is your right to not like them. But serious. Your snarky opinions suck and attitude is off-putting. It comes down to this channel has gone down the tubes.
I used to have CCW Safe, but I went to AOR after seeing Paul’s video on his UA-cam channel, Legally Armed America. I might not agree with everything Marc or Andy have said, but I still believe their program is best for me. I want to be covered by an organization that is not tied to some legal BS that an insurance company must obey. All this back-and-forth is only bringing soap opera drama to UA-cam; it isn't serving the 2A community one bit or someone who is looking for reliable coverage.
I think AOR is a better program but I can't stand Marc. He was a jerk to Crump trying to interview him, I would never trust him as my lawyer.
@@Unknown-qp9ur Not sure what you saw, but I saw Crump asking questions and then not letting Marc answer. John is a terrible interviewer.
Thank you.
Again, you haven't really provided any more evidence than last time that he's actually a gun controller. At least you sort of acknowledged his endorsement of the Republican this time. While you generally exaggerate the Live and Let Live statements, and property owners, "Public-facing" or not, being able to decide what's allowed on their property is simply the correct position, I'll admit some leave too much room for restrictions. That said, even those are much more open than the current laws and he hasn't advocated for any actual gun control laws. This generally feels like you're going really hard on a person that's 5% short of your position when we haven't gotten anywhere close to achieving the 95% you agree on.
Can you guys just stop already! This crap is already old and it's gone beyond annoying! Support who you want! Leave the rest alone! All three of you are fixing to start losing subs over this in a hurry!!! Pay Attention...
Mark Victor Support freedom! He supports the second amendment !The only reason why people are so much an uproar is because he said COMPETENT ADULT!
You guys need to grow up and move on. You both support the company that supports you with $$
i get both sides perspective, and im not willing to drop aor based on his stances. at the end of the day, im not seeing marc being anti-second amendment. he is from a few generations before us, and may not be an absolutist like we are, awell, not gonna treat him like the enemy. being in arizona his firm is a great firm with great staff that are true professionals at representing and defending individuals. i have a family law attourney thats as far left democrat as they come but hes a super good dude and very good at what he does, id never say hey im done doing business with you because you voted blue. and he would never tell me he wont work for me because im far right. at the end of the day, aor 100% promotes the right to self defense and thats why we pay to retain them. we dont pay them for their stance on whats "reasonable". would i prefer marc to be as hard core absolutist like us, sure! but hes an individual and honestly hes still extremely pro gun and self defense. they are not insurance, they are a feduciary to us. they are good at what they do. even mr. marcantel, all those guys there. yah money makes the world go round. but aor legally fight tooth and nail for us because they beleive in the right to defend life wholeheartedly, period. its not all about the money. i also love your channel, and will always tune in! your passionate, and dont conduct your media just for money, you whole heartedly live and breath the 2nd amendment. thats why i follow you. life is hard to balance and theres not one human being on this earth that can make everyone happy at the same time. it just cant happen. aor earns their pay at the end of the day. excellent law firm
Very well said.
This guy's got a real bad mouth. I stopped watching the video when he took GODS NAME IN VAIN.
“God” is not God’s name.
Brilliant comeback there buddy. Now respond to everyone else who's quitting your channel because you're a drama queen.
You seem to be the only one attacking. In fact this is what the third attack video?
Did you not see Marc ranting about him before saying "I'd like to have a *private* conversation with him"?
@@Tactisloth Curtis challenged Marc to a debate, Marc accepted then Curtis backed out, that's what I saw. Marc also offered to talk with Curtis in public or in private, his choice, and Curtis backed out. Curtis is the coward, Marc will talk to Curtis anytime, anywhere public or private.
@@SanfordJohnson-d8w Exactly!
I agree with everything the attorney said, makes perfect sense
Can I see your freedom of speech training certificate?
So you think the age of consent at 14 or 15 is OK?
@@boldie24he literally said he thinks that's too young.
ua-cam.com/video/_-4PWwLgO64/v-deo.html
Hey Curtis, I'm still happy to chat as I've always been. FYI, I still have the chat stating you wanted Dan fired. Happy to show it to you.
Continue to lie Marc. I never asked for that. I expressly told my agent that I did not think that should happen on more than one occasion. If you have a problem you should reconcile that with Leviathan. You deserve nothing from me. Get the fuck out, you are a charlatan.
Honestly I was still considering AOR, but the fact that you’re willing to gossip in the UA-cam comments section has diminished any confidence I had left. Is this high school? If I were a customer I’d feel quite vulnerable knowing my council can’t conduct themselves as a professional & responsible adult on the internet.
@@VSO_Gun_Channel As I said, I have the text message from your agent. Maybe he misunderstood you? I don't know, but that's the message I received. You should stop putting out this false and misleading information about me. We do have defamation laws in the United States. You may very well have violated them. You also falsely stated I turned down a meeting with you. I've always been available to chat, and I remain willing to at least make peace. However, it seems you have trouble being civilized. Best of luck. Marc
@@ThatLoudF-150 I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm doing my best to communicate with a guy who refuses to talk to me and instead defames me on the internet. If you are interested in the facts, my position is available on the AOR website. AOR remains the best of brand, and is about to get better. Your call. Peace. Marc
@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedomit’s amazing how you whine about defaming on the internet when it’s literally your WHOLE MARKETING STRATEGY with your bullshit program. Didn’t take long for your true colors to come out
Unsubscribed. This whole attempt to smear AOR is garbage.
Hope your USCCA checks keep flowing because this is a very good way to tank your channel.
Unsubscribed. Best of luck to you!
Pretty lame video
The guy that runs this channel must not have anything really 2A-related to talk about. All he does is whine about BS. I guess subscribers have been flagging lately...
He talks about court cases, atf directors, and tests guns. He's mentioned neat things he's seen at shot show as well. Yes he has rants like this, however not all of his videos are like this.
As a Marine who served with Marc, I can say he is top-shelf and a man anyone would want representing them. I don't know the person that runs this UA-cam Channel, but he seems very low character.
Oh, look evidence of brigading. Thanks.
@@VSO_Gun_Channel I call them as I see them, and you seem low class and low character. I know Marc's character, and his far outshines yours.
@@SanfordJohnson-d8w honest question, why do i always hear Marines advocate for training before you can own a firearm?
I don't know you from adam so your endorsement and admonishment means nothing. And a lot of us where in the US military.
@@SanfordJohnson-d8w Again means nothing coming from you because none of us know you. For all we know you could be exactly of the same character.
Lol, take it easy dude, you're in the wrong. Drop it
Yeah, no he's not.
@@boldie24yeah he is.
Being referred to as a 2nd amendment absolutist is the best compliment you could’ve ever received
What restrictions do you support on the 2A?
None! (as long as you are a citizen)
@ there are no legal age restrictions on firearms so no cause for his fear mongering when it comes to loaded firearms of any kind around children raise your children to have a healthy respect and knowledge of firearms and your good 👍
@@fortheloveofnoise Historically there's no precedent to require citizenship to posses a firearm, and it's still not required today
His argument was if you agree with ANY restrictions then you must agree with all. That's nuts. Would he agree that if she agrees to the date then she agrees to EVERYTHING that happens after?
A 2A absolutist would require all gun owners to be in a well-regulated militia... Gotta read the whole thing instead of ignoring the half you don't wanna hear.
Curtis, I dont believe you should call everyone who chooses AOR a troll. That you should apologize for. You basically called Dan from HDC a troll. I think people should choose whatever they want with regard to AOR, USCCA or so many of the other options.
Putting the whole AOR and USCCA stuff aside, content creators who can't go a week without a click bait title and shit talking are actually trolls.
He is a fuckin troll dude. Literally accomplishes NOTHING for the 2A community
@VSO are you saying now you trust a bunch of snippets, but you keep hiding behind your pimp agent and will only do a scripted show and not just debate the man directly.
Did you watch the video? He had previously offered to meet with Marc. Crickets......
@@boldie24 Yes, we watched him lie. Marc offered to debate him, and many saw the post, and commented on it. The only crickets were from Curtis.
I too am a 2A absolutist!
DITTO!
Same! I will never bear arms without being part of a well regulated militia that can be held accountable if I commit atrocities. Thank God the founding fathers wrote in checks and balances to the 2A.
So let's look at history y'all. Let's look and see when fundamentalists and absolutists got their way and how it turned out. Christian fundamentalists did a number on Europe huh? Think the name for that period was The Dark Ages, which inspired so much. Let's also not forget The Spanish Inquisition, they were pretty ABSOLUTE in their beliefs huh? Let's jump on over to our country now. Puritans were ABSOLUTE FUNDAMENTALISTS in their adherence and practices. Turned out well for those who were pagan huh? Salem was just an absolute hoot, wasn't it? That's the point Mark is attempting to make IMO. No side can be absolute in anything. If you're unable to see reason, then I have news for you, you're the problem. We the 2A Community will never gain any ground and get what we want if we can't be reasonable with what we want. We have to be realistic, which VSO is not. I'd be more than happy to debate him or anyone else. But since I'm guessing he's an ABSOLUTIST, nothing productive will come of it.
YOU are the one who keeps attacking as much as anyone. Why not take him up on his offer to sit down and work it out?
I've been available the entire time.
@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedomexplain the DMs he literally showed of your correspondence
@@Critical_libertarian Explain what? I did not see anything to explain. All I saw was Curtis creating strawmen.
@@DewayneLevy-k7gHe demonstrated he corresponded with him did you even watch this video
@@DewayneLevy-k7gmarc explain and most importantly demonstrate that anything Curtis said is false
I TAKE EXCEPTION TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT ALL "BOOMERS" BEING A FUD. I am a "BOOMER" and totally support the 2A community. I am NOT a FUD and you just insulted the hell out of me. I would be glad to talk to you about how we go here from the 1970's until today as you missed a great deal of history having not lived thru it. I can not forgive for insulting the hell out me.
Relax. I called him a "Boomer-Fudd". You do not need to be a baby boomer to be a Boomer Fudd. I believe Marc is actually Gen X (which is also responsible for for this). It is a term we in the gun indusrty use to describe someone who does not align with offensive political posture of the industry today.
Yeah, this won't be the last video on this topic.
USCCA SUCKS what is the next best choice we have?
I’m currently looking into CCW safe
I hear good things about 2nd Call
Law shield i have for red flag defense
@@VSO_Gun_ChannelGreat video Curtis. New to your channel. Really enjoy your content. My wife and I are CCW Safe to Ultimate Plan members. Great organization. I am also a registered affiliate with CCW Safe.
I’ve always been skeptical about AOR and could not recommend them to anyone for a number of reasons.
Where does US Lawshield rank amongst them?
This channel is gay
I'm reminded of a recent video I saw of a kid protecting himself and his girlfriend to the best of his ability in his bedroom during an armed robbery. He had about as little technical proficiency as I have ever seen anyone have in handling a firearm, but he absolutely had both the right and the need to own a firearm to defend himself and his significant other to the best of his limited ability. As someone who has also had their life threatened, when someone threatens to take your life there isn't always time to do the training you should have done sooner, and the government has no business denying your right to defend yourself with a firearm simply because you have not had a training course. I will never give Marc Victor a dime (granted I was never going to just because of his creepy position on age of consent).
The moment i had an involuntary full body shiver was not noticeable.
Our community as a whole is and has been in major disarray 😊
TAKE US BACK TO 1791
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You would think that an attorney would know not to slander or libel someone
That’s his whole marketing strategy
I'm still waiting to find out if anyone came up with a better name than "Destroyer of Foam Walls" for the pupper.
finally!!! You SHowed up. Send me an email- i have your sights
@VSO_Gun_Channel wait where did I miss the call out? I'm sorry I missed it!
Curtis ain't taking no prisoners and I'm glad
He accepts lowering consent for sex, but thinks firearms are a danger if left loaded and accessible to children.
Consent should be put up to 20. Alcohol lowered to 20 except beer 6 percent or lower should be 18.
If you think it’s ok to leave loaded firearms unattended with your kids you are a bad parent it’s not even a debate.
@VanTheMan1099 trained and responsible children go hunting independently regularly. It is a time honored tradition. Making this argument detracts from the pro 2A discussion. So I consider it anti 2A talk.
@@VanTheMan1099 12 is the legal hunting age, I been in the woods with an 18 year old 3 hundred yards away when I was less than 15.
@@BigTomInTheBasement if I gave your 7 year old a bottle of opened pills or your car to drive you would get mad. Yet somehow we trust them to make good decisions with loaded firearms without supervision? Yea ok.
It's his "PERSONAL OPINION" WHO CARES he is still a LAWYER!!!
This was a tour de force of things you certainly shouldn’t be saying in our industry. That first segment discussing “ages” was crazy. Does he not know the vast majority of us are absolutists on that topic as well?
There is only one gun control law i agree with (just one) background checks because if you are a violent person you don't need a way to own any type of weapons
If someone is too dangerous to be on the street armed, they are too dangerous to be on the street.
Background checks only affect the law abiding. Criminals aren't buying at the local gun store.
For firearms competent training, regardless of age, is where you start. Not merely with age.
So I had USCCA and I let him go after the whole situation last year in the beginning of 2024 and then I ended up getting Attorneys On Retainer and now I’m hearing stuff about AOR what is your opinion CCW safe? I’m not sure I just want somebody to protect me in case something happens.
I currently exploring ccw safe. I am in the preliminary phase. This is not an endorsement
@ I just finished watching your video just now loved it. I’m just trying to figure out. Who do I go to because I know that our three choices are USCCA, Attorneys On Retainer and CCW safe.
Ironicallym VSO and co don' t even criticize AOR.. They just whine about Marc's LIBERTARIAN Philosophy and display that they are ignorant about ACTUAL principles of a truely FREE society!
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As always Curtis, thanks for holding these snakes to the fire of their own words!
Lol that was stellar kurt.
Shall not be infringed!
There you go again being a damn absolutist!
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Dude: im flabbergasted at the words marc said about children.
Right?! All this bickering back and forth and I'm like hold tf up, bro thinks a 15 yr old can consent to sex? Like with a 40 yr old?? Bruh
@ the fact that he said: “i don’t personally agree with 14,that might be too far, but some cultures…….” Brother: that insinuates that 15 is okay and thats what i interpreted from him. I don’t want a 15 Y.O. bumpin uglies, and i don’t want a 15 year old with a pistol at school.
Its not just about mental age and morality, its about repercussions and capabilities in life. You cant even do your taxes at 15.
@Exandria my belief is that we as a society set an age where one can have all the rights afforded every adult and that's that. If it's 18, then you can do everything anyone older than 18 can do. Personally I think 20 is a good number; no military, draft sign up, tobacco, drinking, guns, or car rental until then. At 20 tho, anything you want
@ correct. Im in the same boat as you.
I'm actually glad this all came out I was tempted to get USCCA or AOR despite the fact I think it should be unnecessary to defend yourself legally if you had to defend yourself physically but now I won't do either
Ice cubes can break your dog’s teeth. Teething treats and toys are a better option
K but not ALL attorneys right??? 😅
Okay, not all attorneys
Always like your shows but I really dig em when you get riled up😊
Well done sir!
Nice job thanks. Mark can pound sand
What he's describing is chaos. We have an age of majority which is consistent for a reason.
Git some!
I agree, Marc is only 2A friendly to line his pocket.
Pretty obvious
My man! Welk articulated!
What is wrong with that guy oh geez 🙄
Good stuff, man. I wouldn't mind seeing a company organized like AOR pop up run by a more reasonable human being.
Wheres all the Marc/AOR simps who attacked Curtis for simply pointing out what AOR customers were too lazy ro research for themselves?
all Curtis is doing is telling us that he is too lazy to do research for hiself AND that HE'S a dishonest coward who is afraid of actually having a conversation. Also, t hat he he is ANTI-LIBERTY
1791 for the win
Why on God’s green earth would you ever get concealed carry insurance
Thank you for what you do! 2A is an absolutist amendment.
How else could you hear it, other than that way?
Lol see ya AOR 😂
Yeah i got really sick of hearing Mark talking about "reasonable" BULLSH1T. What is reasonable to one may not be reasonable to another. Plus his so called "inherently dangerous" BULL was all ridiculous as well. I just truly hope that the views he has are not pushed into how him and his "team" defend people in court in self defense cases.
@mittenstatemedia Reasonable nessus is an important concept in a court. How it's explained to a jury and how it is understood is vital to the potential outcome of a case.
In the courts, yes. In politics, no. That’s the reason “reasonable gun control” laws are more prominent now than ever before and so many people support them. I mean, who wouldn’t want “common sense” gun laws. Words matter and because of that, they are twisted. If you look through the bs, even “anti-gunners” aren’t against guns…. They are against us having guns.
Is there no place we can turn for true lawfare protection : That is run by actual freedom loving Americans?
Simply fantastic.
Can both groups just go away and never be heard from again.
I agree in the 2A absolutist stance. I also believe you can’t tell me what to do with my property. If, however, I remove your right to defend yourself it is then my responsibility to provide that protection and should be held accountable if I don’t. Are we not trying to convert people to supporting the 2A? I can’t remember how long ago Marc had his campaign but we need to allow people to change their minds and turn to supporting the 2A. Not sure that he’s had that shift. I support VSO, LOA and Heavy Duty County.