The Doll That Could "Predict” the Future of Pop Music
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- In 2013, a mysterious twitter account named Cynthia Boyce tweeted the lyrics to a Beyonce song 3 months before the song was released. The account, which could seemingly predict future pop music tracks, also had a strange woolen doll as its profile picture. After tweeting several more times, this time with lyrics from future Lady Gaga, Britney Spears and Taylor Swift songs, the account was discovered by stan twitter and the Cynthia Boyce stan saga began. But who was behind this enigmatic Twitter account and what caused the downfall of the legendary stan twitter oracle, cynthia_boyce?
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00:00 "Pink is the flavor, solve the riddle"
00:47 The Predictions Continue
02:23 Other Similar Twitter Accounts
04:04 Cynthia Is Discovered
05:34 What Was The Doll?
06:09 Theories About Who Cynthia Was
08:20 Iffy Predictions
09:21 Hiatus
10:07 Cynthia's Cryptic-er Tweets
12:31 The Downfall of Cynthia Boyce ft. KatyCats
16:01 The Last Hope
17:05 Conclusion
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After seeing a few comments, I have realised that something I should have clarified better in the video is that Cynthia Boyce was not Tony Gardner. Gardner is a notable and highly respected designer who has worked in the industry for over 40 years, predominantly on movies with a horror/Halloween aesthetic. He is not your average run-of-the-mill makeup designer. Additionally, he has never worked with the majority of the artists that Cynthia tweeted about and when he worked with Katy, Cynthia had already been tweeting about the pop girls for around a year. I can confidently say that the likelihood of it being him is 0 and that Cynthia definitely stole the image from Gardner's account. I apologise as I should have made this explicitly clear in the video.
There was a small section of this video that was left on the cutting room floor, that discussed a possible connection between Cynthia's random "bloody face" tweet and Tony being a makeup designer often in horror works. I theorised that perhaps an artist was planning a horror themed music video/era that would have Gardner as a designer, but the plans never came to fruition. I cut this theory as I felt it was a little rambly (me, rambly? never....) and that it didn't add anything to the video. But perhaps on reflection I should have left it in. Apologies for any confusion caused :)
Can you do a Q&A video?
Hey this may sounds werid but you’re voice is so familiar did you every post theories on escape the night
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Can you make the Nicki Minaj x Tom Holland x James Charles ship meme that circulated in twitter and youtube during 2019
@@eura_minajWait, I don't remember James being involved what 😭
Something I noticed: Cynthia ominously tweeting "moon" happened just a few days before Radiohead released their album A Moon Shaped Pool. As far as I know, they hadn't announced the title of the album when the tweet was made. They probably have no connection, but the thought of a twitter account known for predicting pop girly music also predicting a Radiohead album is absolutely hilarious to me.
That’s what I was thinking
Radiohead is fire
Why not, I love girly pop music, rnb, rap and even 60s rock..my fav artists are nicki minaj n the beatles ...ppl can like diff music..so might be
Wdym Radiohead is girly pop music ✨
@@jadebel7006 there just saying they normally do girly pop music so it’s funny it has nothing to do with that
We lost possibly a time traveler because of stan twitter 😭😭😭
Fr
damn imagine if she was a time traveller.. devoting her every day to tweet about new pop songs that will come out. heh
@@bigtableshe was solving serious issues. She’s a hero.
thats what i would do as a time traveler tbh😭
Bruh
I find it so bizarre that, Cynthia had proven hundreds of times before that she was a reliable insider, but after posting a picture from someone else's instagram, never even claiming it was her own, she immediately became "unreliable" and "fake???" How does that make sense??
frl
they switched up on them so quickly lol
Stan Twitter is known for not using their brains when necessary
Katy Perry/swift fans moment
@@beautifulgorgeousman like ⁉️
obviously all those artists saw her tweets and used them as lyrics
Artist write their songs months maybe even years in advance for an album. There wouldn’t have been enough time for them to include it in their songs. I
@@Parisroam i know i was just joking 😭😭
Obviously 😂
Yeah like omg they keep stealing HER lyrics 😑 🙄
DUHHH 🙄💅
guys cynthia boyce was just sia in the beysment
😂😂😂
That explains how she know “Blow”
Lmaooooo favorite comment
This joke is so tired
@@pinkturtle2016just like sia after running from beyonce
why is it ALWAYS either Taylor, Katy or Ariana related twitter account 💀
Katy has stans?
@@adanactnomew7085💀💀
@@adanactnomew7085yes a lot of them :) better put respect on her name
@@adanactnomew7085Yes, the Katy Cats.
@@B-zk9bt Plural?
I don’t get why tweeting that pic would make ppl think they were fake. I think it would’ve been sensible to conclude that the doll was the makeup designer, who did stuff for celebs and HEARS stuff when they do their makeup.
EXACTLY. like why did they take that to mean she was faking cause she used some guys photo? And I was also thinking it was him too lol, I can’t believe it wasn’t brought up.
ikr, this part is so bizarre. but i guess it just shows the obsession and stupidity of the people that so actively participate in these "events". like, don't you think Cynthia intended for y'all to find the origin of the photo? and at the end of the day they're just an insider, and probably not in a position to know some final decisions too, so if they got something wrong or not completely right it's normal. plans change, like all the time. even in the middle of the release, like it was with Rihanna's ANTi album. so discrediting such an uncommonly reliable source because of THAT photo is peak unhinged behavior.
@@iamanti8367can you tell me what people think she was faking? If she was the makeup artist she would be an insider no?
i agree
or AT LEAST if she wasn't the makeup artist, she could've been one of his interns or something related, overheard stuff she wasn't supposed to or, at the very least works in that industry.
She really did the "you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes"
when? i feel like i missed something
And that’s a Taylor Swift lyric😭😭😭
It's you and me, there's nothing like this!
@@allthingstay13 Miss Americana and The Heartbreak Prince
@@emoogod We’re so sad we paint the town blue
Don't some artists throw out decoy songs to see who is leaking their stuff? I wonder why Katy's team wouldn't have done anything after the first one 😭
Part of Me leaked over a year before it became a smash hit on the re-release so it doesn't matter too much.
Charli XCX should have taken notes. Release damn XCX World already. She even was a part of Fancy which also leaked in advance!@@TheDinoKitteh
Never forget group of fans singing 365 to Katy after it got leaked 😂
What's interesting though is that the 9th track of Katy Perry's new album at the time was "Chained to the Rhythm" which turned out to be the lead single of "Witness" AND it was released exactly THREE WEEKS AFTER the inauguration of Donald Trump...
Also CTTR wasn’t supposed to be the lead single at first, Witness was
My theory, is that Witness was supposed to drop three weeks after Cynthia’s tweet but Katy changed her mind
@@magpietheclownKaty actually addressed this in a throw away line on an Episode of American Idol which may or may not have been a joke but she said “Hopefully I don’t have to throw another Whitness MV away” this was in response to one of the contestants singing a song from the album that didn’t have an MV
@@CatNagTaylorsVersionthis definitely explains the uncertainty of even cynthia, with the "just kidding or else" type thing
also she was bullied off twitter so much and it ended up being for nothing ffs she deserved better 😭🙏
@@V0IDFANGZ honestly if I has to guess the era was probably supposed to have Deja Vu and or Roulette in the single roll out because they have the same producers as the other singles
I don't get it lol
What if Cynthia is actually just a group account for a bunch of top singers, and she's like an inside joke among them
Okay but if that’s true I love that
If that was the case, which one insisted on calling people "lil bitches" lmaoo
Biggest what if ever
@@Utonian21Beyoncé or Taylor 🤣😭
@@receivegreatest6802it was def beyoncé
Wait, she was ended... because she posted a picture from Tony gardeners insta??? 😂 girl what
right like wtf?? Its clearly someone working on music for multiple pop acts who has proven time and time again to have knowledge on future released and unreleased tracks, and because she wasn't giving specific answers to stan twitter they went all aggressive on her 💀💀
well not only that, the katy stans were mad that the album prediction wasn’t accurate
@@LiberteXXX just goes to show that when everyone depends on you and you mess up, they will get mad at you for dumb reasons.
@@AubztheRtist-rx6gc i will say tho, their response wasn't the best. they called the person a dumb b**** and dipped lmfao.
@@xrrgr yeah i guess soo
She probably was legit and got caught was fired. Not wanting to disappoint her followers or still wanted some sense of Twitter fame just started lying. Thats my theory.
I feel like this is exactly what happened!!
either this, or they were getting close to being caught so they threw out intentionally false/decoy tweets as a last ditch effort to keep their job. i actually think this is more likely, because of the image taken from Tony Gardener's insta. i fully believe that this was an attempt to divert attention away from Cynthia, to someone who is completely unrelated but could still feasibly have the information somehow. Gardener was framed, essentially. if Cynthia was caught and fired, i'd think we'd have learned who was really behind the account by this point a decade later. the sudden switch into profanity and defensiveness was possibly because the account holder was scared of losing their job, and if they're a typically quiet person irl, it could have also been another attempt to divert attention away from the real culprit.
Her new album was released 3 weeks after the inaugeration and the 9th track was "Chained To The Rhythm", sooooo
A lot of songs are shopped around to see who wants them. I think "Cynthia" has access to these songs before theyre ever attached to any particular artist.
Except most of these songs were self-written by the artists themselves
@@Lifeless_Asian”self written”- most artists use writing camps and lie
@@Lifeless_Asian theyre probably just an insider or a hacker, the black market of music is a big thing and anyone with extra money can get their hands on many unleaked imporatant stuff from our favorite artists
@@dariuscoates894 most artists? ever?
obviously, a lot of artists have co-writers, songs written for them, buy songs, ghost writers etc. but y'all are always exaggerating this fact to the absolute extreme lmfao. you can have songs written for you while also writing songs yourself. not every artist uses ghost writers or camps.
@@xrrgr you’re just pointing out the obvious to find fault - my point still stands- tell that to the writers who complain when “big artist” takes publishing
I dont know if you guys noticed but the ninth track of KP4 (Witness) was Chained to the Rhythm, and its music video was released 3 weeks AFTER the speculated date... interesting me thinks...
Nooooo wayyyyy
It’s the way that one photo made ppl just forget abt the dozens of songs they predicted 💀💀
Tbh if I were them, I’d hop off twitter too cuz that’s just dumb 😭
i love learning random online culture that i was to young to know when it happened
IKRRR SAMEEEE 😭😭
You were too young to know what was happening between 2013-2016? Girl, how old are you?!?! 😱🫠👵🏽
@toxic.velvet I wasn't young but I just wasn't part of fadoms and just listened to songs yk 😭😭
@@toxic.velvet in some parts of the world technology wasn't spreading as fast or/because it wasn't as affordable as it was in the US. if you had a dvd player in 2006 in my country you were doing REALLY good, it was not something an average person could afford. just as an example. so yeah, while internet was thriving with Tumblr and Twitter and Instagram, a lot of people were just getting into that, let alone being in the middle of some very niche internet drama.
FRRR I started to gain more awareness of the internet until 2015 - 2016
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Thank you so much! :)
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I don’t have time for social media. I don’t even have twitter. I work. A lot. So yes I know what it means. I don’t partake I just enjoy watching what’s going on in culture and laughing at it from my couch
As a Graphic Designer I get a lot of work that requires an NDA to be signed, including Album art with printed Lyrics. There's so many people with an inside look at various aspects of the creative industries. However, it's more a question of personal ethics to stick to the promises you make.
Also there's a Taylor Swift mannequin that predicted her relationship with Travis Kelce. "I feel fantastic hey hey hey"
XD
NAHHHHH NOT TARA
NO
I can hear this comment 💀
@@LemonnNote same and I’m getting flashbacks
So nice of Cynthia to help out smaller artists like Beyoncé grow the fan base she deserves
If it weren’t for THE Miss Cynthia, we would have never gotten Renaissance 😭😭😭😭
Wow, what a mystery. It’s crazy how accurate that account managed to predict songs (even unreleased ones). When I first saw “Pink is the flavor, solve the riddle”, I thought it was a reference to the viral Pink Sauce! 😂 Like imagine a random twitter account predicting things like that!
Man, I thought it was gonna be an actual riddle LMAO
Why does the doll in the middle look like Taylor Swift from Temu? 💀😭
thats why taylor sued
well watch the video
Are you braindead watch the video
@@asktaylor493girl it’s not an actual question they’re making a funny comparison not actually asking 😭😭
😭💀
There is an entire black market / underground economy centered around the illegal trade of leaked / unreleased / yet to be released music. People purchase songs from shady hackers or insiders with crypcur. Songs are often bought just so that other people don't buy and then leak them to the public. Just ask around twt in any sort of fan circle. Unreleased / leaked songs from Sia and Melanie Martinez are notorious for this underground trading, as an example.
my theory is that cynthia was dating someone who worked in the music industry and then they broke up which is why she kinda went off the rails by the end of it
It’s also actually possible for her to have insider knowledge and know lyrics/song names, as opposed to somehow knowing the outcome of an election/football game
OMG I JUST FOUND SOMETHING OUT. Ok listen up. When Cynthia Boyce posted the tweets "3" and "wig off" I though that's weird so I did a little digging and I found something. It's kind of a stretch but Katy Perry's 3rd song on her 4th album is called "Roulette". One of her lyrics says "tonight I'ma let my hair down", relating to the post "wig off". Also if anyone's wondering the 9th song on her 4th album is "Chained to the Rhythm" which is one of her most popular songs on that album. The tweet "Bloody face." could be a reference to Katy Perry's 4th album's cover.
It’s something about the name Boyce being similar to Beyoncé for me
I remember this account being discovered and all the hype around her cryptic tweets. This is speculatively sharing information I heard, but at one point I was told the account was associated with the producer who did the Country Club Martini Crew remixes (Nick* I believe was another name he went by?). Very frequently he'd remix Beyoncé, Gaga, Britney, etc songs including some of the Britney Jean era releases. The most damning evidence is he did a remix of Blow by Beyoncé that even contained a verse that'd been entirely scrapped from any released version of the song, which gives credence to the idea that he had some sort of insider knowledge and/or connections and means he could potentially have tweeted those lyrics.
Fun Fact: Track 9 of KP4 (Witness) is Chained to the Rhythm. The lead single
Witness sucked ass
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Thank you! :)
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Were we really that dumb in 2016💀💀? Like only bc of ONE picture? She literally predicted over a dozen songs. Also who the heck is that person saying : "CaUgHt." Like wdym💀
I genuinely love random deep dives into internet culture i know nothing about
Internet Historian could never
He uploads like one every year its like a holiday
Exactly. We don’t support nazis like him.
They literally have a time traveller on twitter but when they did ONE single mistake, everyone would immediately bash them.. wow
HER IMPACT OMG
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that doll is so scary 😭 i cannot get over that
IT IS TERRIFYING I KEEP TRYING TO COVER IT
I love how a Dolltwt person manage to sneak into a video stantwt about a doll leaking music😭
Her pfp is so scary for what
I haven't heard anything about this, but I'm excited.
I'm betting this thing is going to end up being something like what happened with the Ariana Grande Samsung Smart Fridge subplot and they posted this after and just made it look like it happened before the songs came out.
that’s what i thought too
What happened with Ariana & a fridge now ?
@@receivegreatest6802 a young ariana grande fan named dorothy went viral after her mom confiscated her phone to stop her from using twitter. determined to stay connected, dorothy used various devices, including a nintendo 3DS and a Wii U to post her ariana fanpage tweets and stay online. when all her electronics were taken, she found a way to tweet using a smart fridge. her creative persistence captured the internet's attention and even got a playful response from LG, making her story a hit online. i won’t spoil it for you, this channel has made a video about it, you should watch it
I just listen to instrumental songs and have no idea whats going on with these singers and Stan twitter, but you make it really digestible. Love your videos!
stan twitter is toxic just stay here in youtube
To be fair the chained to the rhythm is track nine and is the best song on that album...... along with the fact the lead single (chained to the rhythm) was released around march of 2017 not far off her prediction. If you get so many things right then the industry notices so they probably moved back the announcement for that song. SO maybe she only knew of chained to the rhythm so thats why she said it was her fav song.
I think the biggest lesson I learned is Katy has fans
*fan
What is you’re guys problem with katy 💀
@@aesthetix3398she fell off lmao
@aesthetix3398 People really act like fame has to last forever to matter. Like bruh, I promise nobody's going to be on top forever. 💀
@@bunwithgun1587Also her music isn't good anymore lmao
Why is it kinda scary😭😭
Ikr😟😟
No.
@@dr.escargon just my opinion
brooklyn nights got leaked in 2014 and gaga sang the chorus at the artrave tour so the lyrics are 100% real
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Like Taylor Swift, we know we love a London Boy!
That’s the reason I don’t watch him. I find English accents annoying lol
@@allthingstay13 what?
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"Predict the future" Dawg this is just a leaker.
I like to imagine this is a Midas’ Barber situation. This is like a music/sound engineer in the recording studio or something and they’re awful at keeping secrets. So they whisper with their little doll about future songs and bury them
Only instead of the rushes saying “king Midas has ass’ ears” when the wind blows through, random lyrics show up on people’s feeds on twitter
He may be called Joe Regrets but joe'll never regret watching his videos! (Sorry)
Laughing too hard at this 😂
WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE
@@cyannd ?
I love getting reminders why Twitter terrifies me!!
I'm not really sure I understand why people decided this person was a fake just because she posted cryptic shit? If she was really an insider, it's possible the pivot happened because there was increased concern about leakers internally, and she didn't want to be outed.
Very strange stuff tho. Why not just leave her be, let her keep posting stuff, and see if it pans out without freaking out?
Plenty of the most credible leakers in the gaming sphere have gotten predictions wrong without utter backlash. Pretty much anything within a corporate industry is subject to change based on a huge number of factors
people should have just waited to see what would happen with that house or see why it would be connected with the house. instead of bashing and calling someone fake while they listened to one person trying to 'expose' them.
gosh, why were people so mean to her, it's their interpretation who was wrong.. another commenter said Katy's 9th track was released 3 weeks after the inauguration
it's like after the photo incident they completely forgot the 3 years of many correct leaks cynthia shared
and it's not like she had to be correct everytime, she prolly made that account for funsies to see how long people would take to notice (2 years!) and what they'd theorize when they finally found out about it, and not to be obligated to answer stans' questions
I have a feeling their first tweets were real and they were a true insider but then got fired and started to put fake leaks
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I'm just thinking of like a plot where like people with superpowers use Cynthia's tweets to check which timeline they are in...
Did she work on the simpsons? 😂
(If you don't understand, the Simpsons has a reputation of predicting stuff.)
So glad you're back! Are you gonna do a floptropica video?
nicely put together!!!
It's a good day when Joe Regrets uploads.
Omg this is so crazy. I had just seen a tweet where someone had made a joke mentioning Cynthia Boyce and I said to myself “who tf is Cynthia Boyce!?” But I never looked into it. This is so interesting honestly, great video!
I watch this channel after watching scary deep dives to balance it out with light hearted deep dives.
This video is remarkable, thank you for this gift 🙏
0:52 those lyrics are triggering like i NEED THIS ON SPOTIFY!
I would like to see a video about One Directions rainbow bears. They were so bizarre and nobody knows what that was about to this day. Might be a lot to dig in to tho..
Yes! As a one direction fan, I haven’t really seen an actual explanation about those yet, if not related to **shudder** shipping.
What’s rainbow bears ?
Welcome back Joe! We missed you 🎉❤
u posted just in time! i was just about to start dying my hair!!
The doll’s face will be in my nightmares.
Bring my girl back‼️
ok I have some theories-and I will write their problems
1. the artists just stole the lyrics and she just said random things-but then there’s blank space…
2. she is a bunch of celebs leaking lyrics from songs..and they can just do it from their own location bc they all have a pass word
3.or it’s just a coincidence and we are all crazy. 🙃
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such an interesting video thank you!!
Quality content ❤
Are all the artists that she predicted from the same record label? Maybe it was a higher up from the record label.
But chained to the rhythm was released during the Trump situation on top of that it was also track 9. And the music video was released 3 weeks after so although Cynthia's timing may have been off they were still technically right. Which meant they were bullied off of the internet for absolutely no reason.
I love your videos and your captivating content for this media. I remember have gotten a similar account but not for predictions, it was a rare account for being in a UA-cam fandom 💀😭
Feels like a ghost writer. Arists wouldn't publicly call out someone that isn't supposed to exist.
Something about your narration and jokes and the way you read the tweets with cuss words bleeped out made me laugh uncontrollably during the entire video
i have a strong feeling that cynthia is simply a ghost songwriter and is keeping track of the lyrics she came up with for future record, in case she has to prove she wrote them in court or just to people she knows?
Brooklyn Nights was leaked very early on so that one might not have required being an insider. The others only a few months early are not that convincing either as most of this stuff leaks on forums months before the general public is aware. For example: I saw a performance of “Let it Go” at Disneyland before the song or Frozen movie were even released because I was there during filming of promo. There are many ways to know about unreleased lyrics and songs so… just a thought.
so iconic.
ur accent make these videos so much better
You know it will be a good day qhen Joe uploads 😌
Yay u posted I have something new to eat lunch to
I believe the time Cynthia took a "break" was actually them getting fired. And since they couldn't leak anything anymore but wanted to keep the clout they started to put bs on their tweets.
am i too high or is this scary
can’t believe all those artists stole cynthia’s lyrics smh
This is the important internet historian stuff the future generations need to study
This is the only channel I care about. The only truth teller around these days!
its seems extremely obvious that the account was just an insider because all of the predictions are very specific genres. it looks very much like it was someone who worked for a studio that did pop music in some way (could even be distribution person).
Or they were in contact with leakers often
Incredibly interesting. They were definitely involved behind the scenes.
My guess after watching the video: I first thought Cynthia could be a music journalist (or someone who knew one), as record labels or artists' teams will send songs to be reviewed with a embargo date, but considering the account was able to "predict" (allegedly) even unreleased songs, I wonder if it could be someone working along a producer (like an assistant) or within a marketing team, as while some of the artists mentioned are signed with some subsidiary from UMG, Britney is (or was) with Sony. Althought, when it comes to big artists, there are times songs may go back and forth if the label feels a smaller artist's work could be a bigger hit for another act.
Either way, I wonder how those leaks affected the artists' respective teams at all (if they would try to be more careful with collaborators or didn't felt that bothered by it or even never heard about the account)
she couldn't be a journalist, her first tweet literally makes that impossible.
9:28 "'Everyday is a holiday'' could also refer to Jessi's ''Gum'' 😍
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8:03 "Taylor recorded battle between red/1989" BATTLE (LETS GO)!??!?! PAUSE