White Pine History: Logging in Michigan
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2013
- This video, produced in 1993, contains information on Michigan's logging era, with an emphasis on Clare County during the last quarter of the 19th century. This video was part of the Forrest Meek collection given to the Clare County Historical Society in 2013 by Mr. Meek's estate. Credit at the end of the video is also given to Ed McKenzie for the production. Questions about the content of the video or the logging era should be directed to museum@clarecountyhistory.org.
I'm an old man, living in Northeastern Michigan.
This year, in April, on my birthday, I planted 100 white pine seedlings on my land.
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Thats probably about a 100 more than anybody ever thought about doing before. If that had been done a long long time ago maybe Michigan would be more than a state of stumps.
Beast
Like 101
I'm 72 and planted almost 300 seedlings with my son and grandsons on our deer camp property last year. Lincoln Alcona will be a greener place for them.
@@SuperOlds88 people have been planting pine trees in the thousands for the better part of the past 100 years. The northern half of the lower peninsula and the UP are fairly heavily forested. They are just young pines, barely 50-60' tall. Not the 100'+ monsters that were getting cut down throughout the 19th century. All of Michigan's "old money" is tied to the lumber industry and was the financial backbone of the auto industry.
My only issue with the planted trees is that they were planted in straight lines and you will drive past patches of pine forest that you can see clear through standing between two trees. The trees are nice, but they don't look natural.
I love my MI history! My dream vacation is just to trot around the state with my husband, camping, fishing and biking. I feel absolutely no need to leave the state to vacation. Being right here in the mitten is all I need! ❤️✋🏖️🛥️
I think it's a beautiful state. I intend to start a YT channel featuring the history, among other things.
I’m surprised this doc didn’t touch on the lost city of Singapore. Where Saugatuck now is. It was so deforested that the sands of Lake Michigan turned them into dunes. It was where the first school was in Michigan.
aww thats sweet ..yall locals really call it the mitten? i wish there were an endearing name like that for nevada...
@@skitzochik we call it the mitten or the mitten state.
Prior to the 1809 Fort Wayne Treaty in Indiana, snow banks adorned the majestic forest even in the month of July. The towering canopy was so dense that sunlight rarely penetrated the forest floor until the arrival of autumn, when leaves began to descend from the trees, only to be once again blanketed in snow with the onset of winter three months later.
My father was a UP logger. He was the hardest working person I've ever known.
Great movie!
Mine too.
I grew up in Grayling and now live in Gaylord, I explore alot of the old logging camps, properties and ghost towns in the area, what amazing history. My great great grandfather was an Irish immigrant whom came came north logging and settled in Grayling
My friends dad owns 70 acres and an lumberjack cabin on Big Creek in Luzerne, south of Lewiston and East of Grayling. There are two 250-300 year old white pines in the front “yard”. Place is amazing!
Our roots go deep. My great grandfather, born in 1909 was born and raised in the forest under the shelter of the great standing ones. He watched all the trees cut down, the animals fled, and mourned the death of the spirit of the woods. Saw the logs loaded on big boats destined for England to build estates for the Queen. He dedicated his life in service of the forest. He worked for the forest service managing replanting of trees in a CCC camp
Gotta any recommendations for a good logging camps to visit in northern Michigan? Hello from benzie county
A friend of mine owns a cabin that is in immaculate condition that used to be from a logging camp from the early 1900's. There are still tools used by the loggers in the cabin including an axe and the long poles used for their tents along with the stamped log ends. You can see the skill that the shantymen had by looking at the mantle over the fireplace that was cut with an axe. The individual chops turned a round log into a railroad tie shaped piece of wood for a mantle top.
I live green timbers in the pigeon river forest and going out to deward, David e ward
I grew up on a farm bordering the Chippewa River (which connects to the Tittapawasee) near Mt Pleasant, MI. The woods still had many white pine stumps. My grandfather had dynamited stumps in the 1920’s to open up fields for farming. There were still pine stump/root ball cattle fence used in the 1960/70’s.
I was born in Ironwood lived in bergland MI. White pine is a nice town up the road from there. The upper peninsula gave all it had trees copper iron ore. This is a real tribute to the area.
Too bad !!!
Now,she is going to be put through the GRINDER , again, with drunken slobs from "TROLL-LAND" , plowing their noisy snow-machines, their noisy and damaging, rutmaking trucks into the U P forests . . . trashing them !!$!!!!!!!!!!!
My grandparents had a cabin in Bergland on lake gogebic when we were kids
As a kid I found tools in South Branch In the small river . My grandfather found a few arrow heads in the area .
3 years ago I found a 6ft cross cust saw 2 miles from the nearest road. My buddy found a 12" bear trap anchored to an old stump withing a few hundred yards.
What River?
I spent most of my summers up in St. Helen Roscommon area. In the 60s my grandfather ( who was a lumberjack in the 1890s) told me that when an area was totally cleared they would start fire to the branches on the ground. By burning off the branches it end up charging the stumps, it was that charging that protected the stumps from rotting and is why there are so many stumps still standing.
Kool how did they pay your grandpa I wonder.
Silver?
Best michigan logging historic video I have seen yet
Thank you !
this is like a nighttime story with that music; what a lullaby :)
As a Wisconsinite, I really enjoyed this video. I wish I could find local history documentaries like this for my state.
Brotherhood of the broadaxe
There's got to be a reason why the dairy farms have been so successful there. My guess is that dairy farming plays a huge part in the history of Wisconsin.
My great-great-great grandfather was a logger in Michigan in the ealy 1800's, I think about 1820.. I may be out one generation. My father was born in 1912. My grandfather was 39 years old when my father was born. I estimate my grandfather was born about 1873. As far as I know I am the only family member (I may have a 2nd cousin living in MI but have not seen/heard from her since the 1980's) living in Michigan now.
In the 1970's my mother would do a lot of research of the white pine logging history and the railroads of Michigan, she tracked down a lot of out of print books and photos of the logging hey day's and I wouldn't doubt some of her books are the only ones in existence. I think her interest was because her great grandparents meet in the logging camps. Now that my mother is gone I need to find a place to donate her collection, somewhere that they could add to the knowledge of logging in Michigan.
Hartwick Pines Logging Museum Graying Michigan.
One of my favorite specials of all time !
Thanks for uploading. Very interesting and informative.
A+ Quite the History Lesson !
Thanks all those involved who produced this video
Well put together documentary. Well narrated. Enjoyed it.
Very interesting.
Thanks for posting.
What a great video. Thank you
Excellent. Will use in the classroom.
Northern Michigan used to be blanketed by White Pine (Pinus strobus) only in Hartwick Pines State Park can you see a sliver of old growth white and red pine.
ShakespeareCafe and now nothing but crappy jack pines for a bird that was originally fund in norther Indiana and Ohio, 12 million from Obama stimulus spent on signs telling us we cannot walk in the woods from April to August under penalty of a fine of 1,500 dollars and 90 days in jail.
Huron national f Ed up forest service. What a bunch of idiots but I bet they have a degree 📜 so I guess this doc is incorrect according to them because they plant nothing but jack pine the most useless of of pine , brilliance at its finest.
Sorry for rant but them birds ( kurtland warblers) are useless just like the forest service.
Native trees like the great White pine don’t fit the economic needs so plant something you have to cut down every 20 years and make pressed board or like 80% of it that is made into pellets by Canada for so called clean energy, ya can’t make this shit up .
Again sorry. Ha
Have a great night.
From a Northeast Michigander .🇺🇸
@@MichiganHillbilly the other problem with jack pine is the only way to reproduce is with a forest fire.
@John Smith private citizen , they must burn some jack pine comb to get the seeds and grow them because they use a big old planter. Seedlings about foot long, If ya look on google earth or something similar northeast Michigan you can see how they make wavey rows with a little opening or clearing. I haven’t any idea way . And I still hate them birds.😝
An amazing place!
I live up in Michigan's Upper peninsula and i have great grandparents that were lumber Jack's
You bet,eh!!!
Daylight in the swamp. It was said that a Squirrel could go from Lake Huron to Lake Michigan and never touch the ground because the trees were so plentiful.
Orion NAID now they have to cross I-75
All the way down to the Ohio river. Humans are a cancer. We might change, make better choices. It is what we are. Just hope for Improvement
I've heard it from the east coast to the Mississippi River, but it all amounts to the same thing. We came here and destroyed it.
alot of my ancestors were loggers in Michigan in the early days, settling Benzie County in the 1850s. My grandfather (1901 - 1983) would tell stories about his mother (1864 - 1938) working as a cook in the logging camps where she met his father (1856 - 1928), and her brothers were all loggers. My grandfather's sister's husband was also a logger. we still have the photos from the 1850s to the 1880s of them working and sitting on HUGE piles of timber
im proud of my Michigan lumberjack ancestry.
Doug19752533 m
wow .. you are proud of destroyin nature to build cheap wooden housing that rots after 20 years .. from wood that grew in 400 years .. you are a imbecil TRUMP MAGOT
That's how my family got started in northern Michigan. My great grandad worked in logging camps. My grandad grew up in logging camps.
@@dietermontanez6576 I suppose you think that our present president is responsible for the logging that went on hundreds of years ago, no doubt you live in a house that has no wood in it, I find it amusing that you associated this with a president that had nothing to do with it, just another simple minded dumbass
@@bigbuck2720 I wouldn't give him the satisfaction of that much credit
When it comes to local History most kids that go to public school (in the Detroit area at least) receive very little education about the State they live in. Sadly most have no idea of the colorful characters and events in the Lumber, Mining and Maritime traditions that were all a part of life in Michigan and the Great Lakes area in general. Even Hollywood completely missed out by overlooking the history of this region.
JC Wood + That's done deliberately by the commies in D.C. It is part of their plan to conquer the United States from the inside out. Deuteronomy 28.
Just take the time, to bring this stuff up. Ignorance is the enemy, and it's up to us to inform the next gen. Schools have their place, but family and community has to do it's part. Step up, we will win
I totally agree they would rather teach them about gender studies Socialism and how bad America is sad isn’t it
Kids in the detroit area recieve very little education peroid.
Michigan lumber rebuilt Chicago after the big fire. When my brother was in the Army,stationed in Kansas, he went to a museum about the West. The docent, gave a speech about western forts on the frontier. He mentioned that most of those forts were built of Michigan White Pine.. Of course, the docent never realized that in his audience was a soldier from Michigan!!
AMAZING .. THANK YOU
The last stand of white pine to be logged was in northern Minnesota. North of Virginia Minnesota the water flows north. There was no transportation to markets other than to Winnipeg Manitoba then south. The 14,000 square mile Rainy Lake watershed provided power to saw lumber to be transported on barges then trains.
Great video!
Very cool video!
I truly love this land 💙💚 Michigan forever 💚
Wow great video!!
My great grandfather was part of the logging industry in Michigan
in the UP, there were many Finns..the story is that a Norwegian guy had to learn Finnish in order to talk with some one :)
From my knowledge some white pines still stand in the Forests of Michigan especially in the western U.P. Our land sits in the Ottawa national forest in The Bergland
Area, and there is one my dad takes us too the is easily 150 years old, unable to wrap my arms around it and I am 6’5
There's lots of white pine in Michigan. Probably few stands with age you described. There is an old stand a few miles north of St. Helen. Large trees that are a destination for those looking.
Estivant Pines in the Keweenaw Peninsula is worth the drive. Hartwick Pines near Grayling is also worth a trip.
White pine is very abundant here still.
I am from Vassar in Tuscola county, that has a Cork Pine festival every summer. My grandfather worked in the logging camps in his early years. Everyone should visit the "Lumberman's Monument" along the Au Sable river. Excellent video!
My great grandfather worked for the Rust Brothers (from Saginaw) at a camp near Gladwin. He’d go out and run estimates on uncut stands of trees and figure out how much they would make from it. His boots got dirty, but his hands stayed clean.
@@JamieSmith-fz2mz LOL! Not my grandpa! I learned a lot from him about logging and handling timber and logs. He kept saws from his days in the camps, and occasionally we used them. We had a fireplace as our main source of heat when I was growing up, so we cut a lot of wood, felled a lot of trees, but mostly cut downed trees from storms or age. Grandpa was born in 1883, and kept a lot of the tools he used. He set up a mini museum of tools in a building at his house in Michigan. He later became a carpenter, general contractor, and built several homes in the Vassar, Mayville area.
He was a great man.
There was one of these big trees south of M-28 in the U.P. it was west of Dafter. It took 2 men & a boy to reach around it. You could see it sticking up above the tree line from about 6--8 miles away. I understand it got struck by lightening in the late 1970's & it blew the top off from it. Then it later died.
Awesome... Takes me back to school days.... Is your whole channel about Michigan... Subbed... Stop by sometime
Thank you this was great wonderfull pics , where do you get them.
Great movie. Born and raised Michigan. Born in Monroe but consider myself a Yooper. Own my homestead in Rudyard. Work in Livonia. Its worth it. Teach your kin history. Its why we are great. We made mistakes but learned from them. Veteran on veterans day 2017.
If you live in livoina more than 75%of the time your a fudgie. If your 50/50 between Rudyard and liviona your perma-fudge (unless you were born north of the bridge you can never be a yooper.)
ALL US YOOPERS !!! FINISH COPPER MINERS.........GODBLESS THE UP!!!! VERY SPECIAL UNKNOWN..AREA. ROUGH WINTERS BUUTTTT YOU GET TO LOVE THEM...LUKKARILAS!!!!..SISU!!
I'm from Florida and lumberjacks are so interesting to learn about
David DeBergh that’s because we rule
Thanks!
Didn't mention Nahma in the U.P. it cut all the trees from lake Michigan to lake Superior. It closed in 1952. On the day it shut down, they blew off the boiler steam by using the big whistle. They said the ladies in town washed their noon day meal dishes with their tears. I saw a documentary on this & one lady said it sounded like a great giant beast dying, as the steam pressure fell & the whistle changed note, until it was no more.
At least there’s still white pine scattered on mackinaw island I wish there was land for sale still at 1.25 acre awesome video
Nice documentary, well researched but why have that music drowning out the narrator. It made it hard to hear and was totally needless.
this is very insightful look at the history of the lands we deal with today...Gods creation of lands and states of minds of good and evil and who prevails..... I took note of the difference the narrative pointed out of the difference between a horse and an ox ...very interesting...thanks for putting this out...
I'm awed as to how hard these lumberjacks had it. Kerosene lamps for lights, no heaters, slept with every other asshole around, slept in wet clothes and let the clothes dry on them, work from can see till can't, no chainsaws, no first aid kits or ambulances, no UA-cam!
No cell phones!
The Pinchot family history is pretty cool to learn about if you like this subject.
Love Grey back white pine. Burns great in wood cook stove!
You seem to have forgotten about Cadillac Michigan
Any plan to reforest the with similar variety
My history is here too. Sad today to see where all has gone. Change destroyed it all. Especially southern much
my dad logged oregon from 27 till 41 then southeast ak from 53=63 him and his 6 brothers buil
t largest steam donkey sleds ever we had one in the yard lol
Does anyone know if this is Bruce Dern narrating this? It sounds just like him...
Here in the UP, Logging is when you bring home a winner from the bar, Hogging is when you bring a fatty home from the bar, Nogging is when you go to the bar and only get some head out of it, Mudding is when you bring a girl home from the bar and find out that the river runs bloody so you take the muddy trail.
wtf
Only a true Michigander and yooper would know these terms. Born and raised in jackson
It's so odd that there was a time when people didn't think "Hey, we should replant these forests we're cutting down."
what a shame wish I could have seen michigan before man had destroyed the forest.
Edward Zamorski sounds like they set it on fire so the king couldn’t get it.
Check out Estivant Pines near Copper Harbor or Hartwick Pines State Park near Grayling. Both have virgin white pines. There are also many areas in more rugged areas of the UP that still have virgin pines on the ridges and in the gullies.
@@HubertofLiege I believe it was stated that was on the east coast of the country, not Michigan.
Those log raft pictures around 29:00 are on the Columbia River, not Michigan! Those were cigar rafts for towing logs in the ocean to California and were built not far from my house. And I'm fairly sure the loading pictures at 31:37-31:52 are in the Pacific NW.
Being from Michigan this very interesting. I wish some of those giants were left for us see though.
Hartwick Pines near Grayling
@@richardjohnson7563 I've driven past and didn't know about it, thanks.
There are White pines north of Negaunee and Ishpeming in rugged country that are every bit as big as the ones at Hartwick Pines.
My family is from Oregon, saw gas runs through our veins. There is an old photograph of my Grandpa and 3of my uncles sitting in the face-cut of a tree!
There are large pillars in the foyer of Henry ford museum and they are made from lumber: could they be white pine?
What did he say again? The trumpets are too loud! However.... pretty interestin'!
Interesting...
The destruction to the land is still felt today.
From Bay City it was the biggest lumber 6:32 town in history with over 100 saw mills at the biggest part of the industry.
Does anyone have experience working with lumber cut from virgin white pines such as there were in Michigan? Second growth white pine seems to be of little value but I'm wondering if virgin white pine wood had different characteristics, such as higher density or strength.
The wood was totally free of knots and the annular rings were narrower, making the wood easy to work and stronger than modern trees. I have seen an inch of old growth white pine with as much as 30 years of tight growth vs as few as 5 on today's trees. Growing for 300 years in competition with your neighbors made you strong.
@@R_an_D Thanks, I've always suspected that might be the case but I've not had the privilege to work with any old white pine lumber. The kind of slow growth that would make a hardwood brittle tends to make pine stronger. Here in PA I've found old stumps that I think might be white pine that aren't particularly large in diameter (~20") but the density of the growth rings suggests that they may have been over 300 years old.
Is this the video from Michigan historic museum in the 90s
Yes read the description.
What kind of money were they paid?
Silver?
Wonder what the x above the mens heads in the photos ment ?
Might have been death during a logging ax ident ?
Jason Dykstra m,k
Seriously, it was common in old photos to put an x on a photo above a person and to write their name below. That's all it indicates.
This should be called "The History of Greed and Death of the Planet Episode 100,000"
Music is Barber's Adagio?
+Rose White --- Not sure. I would think it's something in public domain but was added by the video's creators who have both passed on. Sorry I can't help you. Marty on behalf of Clare County Historical Society
Marty Johnson Hi Thanks, I've checked and and there is a bit of Adagio in.
I live in West Yorkshire, UK and 30-40 years ago all our textile mills were closed and abandoned and it was possible to wander through them wondering what became of all the workers and the owners. Adagio would have been very appropriate.
Not familiar with the piece. I will need to listen to it. Thanks for sharing the info and for commenting.
Lot of accidents happend near spring when it came close to pay time imagin that
Imagine they showed this to kids instead of crt.
Those men had to be some of the toughest men in history
The gals then we're tougher than most men today.
They were
It’s a crime that they wiped out those beautiful trees by the millions.
As you live in it, n finance it everyday, is the crime
Would have been awesome to see Michigan before the loggers.
Read A fortnight in the wilderness by Alexis-Charles-Henri Clérel de Tocqueville. He traveled to Saginaw in 1834. Great accounting to what Michigan was like at that time.
Visit Hartwick Pines State Park near Grayling, it is the only virgin White Pine forest left in Michigan, the museum and trails are amazing!
Son-in-laws Grandfather, in Newberry, Charles Jerrick, had a saw mill & logged there.
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Sad to think so much of where we live used to be forest, and we just cut it all down.
Sad to hear how the forests and resources were depleted
i got to go therere in 1990
All that forest chopped down 😢
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Michigan was basically deforested. In the early 1900’s many businesses would sponsor replanting in upper Michigan plus the CCC in the depression. The envoronmental damage has never recovered.
TheBeingReal it's that bad up there ?? Even the up ??
buster smith Replanting has help greatly. The Grayling fish were made extinct from logging. The damage to nature at the time was like a wasteland.
TheBeingReal TY,,,,,,
TheBeingReal plenty of grayling in Canada and Alaska
@@TheBeingReal the problem is if I'm not mistaken ,is they replant with Jack pine.
"barely a few thousand people lived... north of grand rapids..." (if we ignore the million or so Potawatami, ottawa and ojibwe tribes of people. or maybe you dont consider them people)
Half way thru and hoping they mention the Blacks that were there like my Great Grandfather who fell trees for years in Michigan. Great info though
Yeah. I'm a documentary snob. This was well researched, but tone down the music.
produced in 1993
Think They'll Dewit ???
Trying to understand the narrator with the music going is ..irritating.. A nation addicted to music 24/7.
I love the videos that you head what's happening. Check out Mr Chickadee
Oh, boo hoo. Get over yourself.
It's not very accurate either the shay locomotive was designed in Cadillac never even mentioned Wexford County had one of the largest virgin white pine stands in the state
Get over it. Music is spiritual
Tree huger?
Now large areas up north are nothing but jack pine. No animals no nothing because nothing can grow in the acidic soil from the pine needles it’s kinda sad!
6:35
Atlanta/Lewiston/lk22..
My father worked the forests near Atlanta in the 1920's I believe it was Camp 7
@@freddowning61 Camp 8..
Sounds a bit harsh setting fire to a whole forest because someone wanted a certain type and lenght of timber. Bit like kicking a wasp nest because one of them stung you. Suppose the result ended better though.
Michigan logging. You're not told about the various wild fires such as the fire on Sunday, October 8, 1871, fire leveled a broad swath of Michigan and Wisconsin, including the cities of Peshtigo, Holland, Manistee, and Port Huron. At least 1,200 people died (possibly twice as many) as a result of the fire.
in 1860 pine trees hoved west romaine to michigan. and west in the 2000s it moved to Siberia russia flor old forest growth.
The Oncelers came and sawed.
I bet people get you gone up there
This is real
All that logging using rivers actually thought to make the grayling fish to go extinct.
Find diff music, but a good docu
Listen to the sound of lumber mills.chain saws .dynamite .heavy equipment. .....thats the sound of money .the music every one dances too .lol
BULLOCKS !!!!!!!!