I believe you are right in your theory that the Picts were certainly in the Borders, now share with every University with an archeology department and remember to take the credit . Terrific detective work as always Mark and thank you for allowing your viewers to share your passion and adventures with you.
As a MacKenzie abroad, I urge you to keep pushing, keep forging ahead! Early people were not simpletons or lax, and people like you show how dynamic Scotlands' early history was! THE PIPES SOUND FOR YOU!!!
I've only recently discovered your contributions. DNA analysis proves my ancestors were from the Scottish Borders before moving to Ulster and then later to the American colonies. You are really giving me insight into my Borders heritage. Thank you and keep up the great work!!
No, thank you. I hope to come to Scotland next year and you are making me think I’ve already been there. I know my family came from the lowlands, I just wish I knew from where! I’m pretty sure the lowland clearances brought them to America.
If/when I travel to Scotland, this will be the first place I visit! I love dark, dense pine forests with lots of boulders! Thanks for making this video!
Great video... The Picts are very very often dismissed in history as 'they just disappeared' etc.. but as this shows there's definitely signs of life about still.. Look up Clatchard Craig Mark, as it was a pictish hillfort near Dundee on the Fife side of the Tay.. aerial photos were taken in the 40,s of a stunning 3 tiered defensive hillfort,but we've lost it as the government quarried it... It's completely gone..it was as impressive as maiden castle in southern England..!
I dread to think how much of our physical history has been destroyed. People have been vandalizing the Pictish wall art in the caves up north and all the archaeologists can do is take photographs before its totally wrecked, beggars belief 😣
Just fantastic detective work. Thanks for this discovery Mark. Like all of us history nuts, I am always fascinated at the thought of ancient past civilisations, especially those of my own ancestral land. BTW. I loved those exceptionally performed drum tatoo`s - what a special sound.
I think the term Pict is used a lot in this area because of the Brochs, 3 in Galashiels but very few other examples in the South. Also St Columba talks about teaching Christianity to the Southern Picts, so back in the 600s Picts of some description were in the South.
Macsen cup marks exist all over the world from Peru to India. In Scotland they are associated with Pictish culture and the fact the hill is known as Picts Hill, and it is close to 3 Brochs and the ancient ditch known in this area as the Picts ditch earthwork makes you think that they may be Pictish rather than the same tribes making these marks in Lancashire or where ever you said.
There was a huge discovery with the Armstrong Y-DNA Project. They found sets of genes associated with what they think are the Picts. These same genes are only shared by 1% of English people. If this was your original theory you might have been 100% correct. That's a huge credit to the work you do here and one reason I find you to be an extremely valid source when doing research. The Y-DNA project was done by The Armstrong Clan Association.
Awesome work Mark, always love your enthusiasm. There was definitely bronze age peoples here before the Romans, and a lot more civilised than we get credit for. And this area between the walls saw a lot of action every time the Romans were recalled for trouble in the empire.
Great video and I love your enthusiasm. Its a great discovery if the marks you have found are ancient cup marks. The only thing is I dont think cup mark engravings come from the Pictish era. They are known to be from a much earlier time. Possibly 2000 years earlier. But that would be an amazing discovery anyway.
The way you guys do logging over there is so damn Brittish... All neat rows of trees and stuff. more a grove than a forest to my American eyes. ;) Pict Hill, good find there Mark. Keep up the good works.
Current thinking is that cup and ring stone markings go back to the Neolithic or the Bronze age i.e. long before the Picts. Also the marking that you discovered look nothing like any known Pictish symbols. However the marks may be of interest to archeologists and historians in Scotland, especially if they were previously unknown.
This is strange I think I found these cups in huge stones at an old settlement I thought they were natural. These are at that tree I was talking about ! I'm now convinced its ancient ancient stuff. Up plora burn it is , the settlement has no mortar at to be seen just the old marks on the ground and the ancient trees I've mentioned. What a stuff I've learned on your channel about the borders I'm from the borders.
I would say them stones have some sort of alinement to the sun.
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ya simple MUST investigate and glad that you did I am. IN the Inca culture those divots in the rock would be matched to nipples which match them and st the stones together to integrity of building this is all over Cusco Peru.
Nice Mark!! How cool is that! Will you be going back? Have you ever found anything on the old maps indicating Thompson cave? Still wondering about that. Thanks for all you do uncovering this history.
Cheryll Thompson cheers Cheryl. I will be going back soon. Keep an eye on Discover Scottish Borders FB page for details if you want to come along with us. Where’s Thompson’s cave?
Mark Nicol Well.. I'm not sure! I read it in some old manuscripts a couple of years ago. I've only seen 2 references on it supposedly near Dumfrieshire. I think they were covenanters hiding out. I'll definitely find you on Facebook. My husband and I are thinking of coming back to Scotland next year. We would like to meet you!
Mark, as you may know there is significant ongoing logging at Picts Hill. It might be worth asking Scottish Forestry if they have come across anything interesting. In the meantime I want to try to find the cup marked stones you came across. Have you got an exact map reference? I think the maarkings are earlier than tyhe Picts but there can be no doubt that the strategic location of the hill with excellent views would have made a good location for a fort/settlement.
Very interesting, although maps from 1843 and 1849 state "Pick Hill", only later becoming Pict Hill, then disappearing. The cupmarks pre-date the Picts by several thousand years and are found on many neolithic sites, some of the best at Clava Cairns just outside Inverness, but many examples. Very interesting that Canmore don't have a listing for the site, but definitely worthy of further investigation.
Reminds me a bit of the clearing on top of Moncrieff hill surrounded by forestry which could not be handed over to the commission as it is the 'seat' of Moncrieff so who is the local laird around Pict's Hill and is this his seat which he must hold to keep his title????
Hi mark,I was wondering if you had herd of Scotland's rock art project,I am part of the Lothians and fife team, the project is to record all known and unknown rock art in Scotland to help preserve and understand it using the most modern methods and also photogrammetry which is 3d recording and gives us a great look of the rock art which we can't always see with the naked eye,it also means that anyone can access the website database and map they are putting together for there own use ,I just wondered if you would check out the website as you must see lots of rock art on your travels and it would really benefit from your input.cheers.
Myot hill near Denny ,Dumyat hill Stirling Tappoch broch Torwood. Forts with elevetated positions Maeatae people lived hear. Can see similarities with scenes in your videos .
Check list for identifying cupmarks: We have created a ten point check list for determining the probability that markings on the rock surface are prehistoric carvings. The more of the following that you can tick for your cup-like feature, the higher the probability that it is human-made: 1. regular, rounded shape when viewed from above 2. shallow depth, with hemispherical or conical cross section 3. smooth internal surfaces 4. upper edges that are smoothed, rather than sharp or occluded (i.e. over hanging) 5. limited size (usually 0.5-2 inches in diameter, although they can occasionally be larger) 6. on rocks that are not geologically prone to differential weathering or natural cup-like features 7. arranged in rows or in other artificial positions and groupings unrelated to any geological peculiarities in the stone 8. close to other, clearly identifiable rock art 9. on a rock surface with definite cupmarks or other motifs 10. surrounded by a ring or multiple rings
I love, love your enthusiasm, but I'm really sorry - it looks like these are natural features, not cup marks. Cup and ring motifs also pre-date the Picts by several thousand years, they are primarily made in the late Neolithic and Early Bronze Age (5000 years ago). The first evidence of Picts is 297 AD, (1700 years ago). But I do congratulate you on your enthusiasm and passion for archaeology, it's great to see.
Maya Hoole it's common knowledge that the picts were the pre Indo European inhabitants of Britain and Ireland before any Celtic migrations or Roman invasions so how they can be dated to 297 AD at the earliest is rather inaccurate don't you think?
Of course there were Southern Picts,but in Galloway. I don't know about the borders. St.Ninian at Whithorn was the the Roman missionary who converted the Southern Picts.My family the MacDowell clan ,Lords of Galloway have always been known as a Pictish-Gaelic clan.Legend has it that Douall (Doval in Latin) slew the tyrant Nothatus to found our family in 230 B.C. before Hannibal crossed the Alps or the Chin dynasty unified China. The Romans called the tribe in Galloway the Novante.They were West of the Selgovae-next door neighbors.In Galloway they had Z rod marked standing stones and "galaxy "ring marked stones. I think you are correct.It stands to reason that if Picts lived in southern Galloway they would have been in the Borders too.They seem to like hilltop forts and brochs for the view.Perhaps those in the South were built as their own frontier outposts with a system of signal fires and runners. J.
From what I've read the Southern Picts were the first to convert to Christianity. Which might have made it harder to distinguish them from other groups. Especially on the borders.
I believe you are right in your theory that the Picts were certainly in the Borders, now share with every University with an archeology department and remember to take the credit . Terrific detective work as always Mark and thank you for allowing your viewers to share your passion and adventures with you.
June Stewart cheers June😁😁
The Armstrong Y-DNA Project has actually found links through DNA. Really interesting topic.
As a MacKenzie abroad, I urge you to keep pushing, keep forging ahead! Early people were not simpletons or lax, and people like you show how dynamic Scotlands' early history was! THE PIPES SOUND FOR YOU!!!
I see how passionate you are with the history of picts , to trudge through the wilds!!!stay safe .
Pamela Poore cheers Pamela😁😁
I've only recently discovered your contributions. DNA analysis proves my ancestors were from the Scottish Borders before moving to Ulster and then later to the American colonies. You are really giving me insight into my Borders heritage. Thank you and keep up the great work!!
Looks as if almost all the Ulster Scots were from the Borders.
heres a wee bit info fer ye....www.irishorigenes.com/content/origin-irish-and-scottish- gaels
How can you only have 1.8K subscribers? Your videos have great content, keep up the good work!
Robert Douglas thanks Robert 😁
No, thank you. I hope to come to Scotland next year and you are making me think I’ve already been there. I know my family came from the lowlands, I just wish I knew from where! I’m pretty sure the lowland clearances brought them to America.
Thanks Mark, another guid film. I hate to think the damage that will be done to this interesting area when they harvest the forest!!!
Derek Wilson cheer Derek.
Never thought about that.
Top class Mark 👌👍👌👍
I agree with you about the Picts being in the Borders. Thanks again for another excellent video 😀
Elsy Moon cheers Elsy😁
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Fascinating stuff , so much to find and learn
Great video mark Great coverage and you do the place a great justice! Be interesting to see what the future holds for this unwritten history.
If/when I travel to Scotland, this will be the first place I visit! I love dark, dense pine forests with lots of boulders! Thanks for making this video!
Great video...
The Picts are very very often dismissed in history as 'they just disappeared' etc.. but as this shows there's definitely signs of life about still.. Look up Clatchard Craig Mark, as it was a pictish hillfort near Dundee on the Fife side of the Tay.. aerial photos were taken in the 40,s of a stunning 3 tiered defensive hillfort,but we've lost it as the government quarried it... It's completely gone..it was as impressive as maiden castle in southern England..!
Jeff Moore absolute vandalism!!
But certainly won’t be the only one this has happened to.
I dread to think how much of our physical history has been destroyed. People have been vandalizing the Pictish wall art in the caves up north and all the archaeologists can do is take photographs before its totally wrecked, beggars belief 😣
Just fantastic detective work. Thanks for this discovery Mark. Like all of us history nuts, I am always fascinated at the thought of ancient past civilisations, especially those of my own ancestral land. BTW. I loved those exceptionally performed drum tatoo`s - what a special sound.
This is really exciting. Your discovery may indeed have a profound impact on our understanding of Picts.
Katie Moyer thanks Katie😁😁
Interesting idea about the age of PICT Hill name..... but then there are the markings on the rocks. 🤷🏻♀️
Lol, That island is not all That Big. Could be an indication of.... Picts. 🤷🏻♀️. Open mind is good.
I think the term Pict is used a lot in this area because of the Brochs, 3 in Galashiels but very few other examples in the South.
Also St Columba talks about teaching Christianity to the Southern Picts, so back in the 600s Picts of some description were in the South.
Macsen cup marks exist all over the world from Peru to India. In Scotland they are associated with Pictish culture and the fact the hill is known as Picts Hill, and it is close to 3 Brochs and the ancient ditch known in this area as the Picts ditch earthwork makes you think that they may be Pictish rather than the same tribes making these marks in Lancashire or where ever you said.
Please get in touch with Professor Gordon Noble of Aberdeen University - he is leading research on Picts throughout Scotland.
There was a huge discovery with the Armstrong Y-DNA Project. They found sets of genes associated with what they think are the Picts. These same genes are only shared by 1% of English people. If this was your original theory you might have been 100% correct. That's a huge credit to the work you do here and one reason I find you to be an extremely valid source when doing research. The Y-DNA project was done by The Armstrong Clan Association.
Awesome work Mark, always love your enthusiasm.
There was definitely bronze age peoples here before the Romans, and a lot more civilised than we get credit for. And this area between the walls saw a lot of action every time the Romans were recalled for trouble in the empire.
Great video and I love your enthusiasm. Its a great discovery if the marks you have found are ancient cup marks. The only thing is I dont think cup mark engravings come from the Pictish era. They are known to be from a much earlier time. Possibly 2000 years earlier. But that would be an amazing discovery anyway.
The way you guys do logging over there is so damn Brittish... All neat rows of trees and stuff. more a grove than a forest to my American eyes. ;) Pict Hill, good find there Mark. Keep up the good works.
Randy Raz Ullon cheers Randy.
All our commercial forests are these crappy ones😂😂
Not British - Scottish!!
Thank you, a good one! 🌞
Sunshine&SilverArrow thanks as always😁😆😆
Current thinking is that cup and ring stone markings go back to the Neolithic or the Bronze age i.e. long before the Picts. Also the marking that you discovered look nothing like any known Pictish symbols. However the marks may be of interest to archeologists and historians in Scotland, especially if they were previously unknown.
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This is strange I think I found these cups in huge stones at an old settlement I thought they were natural. These are at that tree I was talking about ! I'm now convinced its ancient ancient stuff. Up plora burn it is , the settlement has no mortar at to be seen just the old marks on the ground and the ancient trees I've mentioned. What a stuff I've learned on your channel about the borders I'm from the borders.
Great video!
Very interesting and a nice find
Robs Urban Exploring cheers Rob!!
I would say them stones have some sort of alinement to the sun.
ya simple MUST investigate and glad that you did I am. IN the Inca culture those divots in the rock would be matched to nipples which match them and st the stones together to integrity of building this is all over Cusco Peru.
Tebbé Davis never knew that about those cup marks in Peru also. Mmmmm
there's still too many picts in fife
Nice Mark!! How cool is that! Will you be going back? Have you ever found anything on the old maps indicating Thompson cave? Still wondering about that. Thanks for all you do uncovering this history.
Cheryll Thompson cheers Cheryl.
I will be going back soon. Keep an eye on Discover Scottish Borders FB page for details if you want to come along with us.
Where’s Thompson’s cave?
Mark Nicol Well.. I'm not sure! I read it in some old manuscripts a couple of years ago. I've only seen 2 references on it supposedly near Dumfrieshire. I think they were covenanters hiding out. I'll definitely find you on Facebook. My husband and I are thinking of coming back to Scotland next year. We would like to meet you!
Great video mate. Fantastic footage! What's the snare drum music?
Mark, as you may know there is significant ongoing logging at Picts Hill. It might be worth asking Scottish Forestry if they have come across anything interesting. In the meantime I want to try to find the cup marked stones you came across. Have you got an exact map reference? I think the maarkings are earlier than tyhe Picts but there can be no doubt that the strategic location of the hill with excellent views would have made a good location for a fort/settlement.
I cant believe it I thought those were natural.
Wish you could pill back the lays of time!!
Pamela Poore wouldn’t it be great😁
Very interesting, although maps from 1843 and 1849 state "Pick Hill", only later becoming Pict Hill, then disappearing. The cupmarks pre-date the Picts by several thousand years and are found on many neolithic sites, some of the best at Clava Cairns just outside Inverness, but many examples. Very interesting that Canmore don't have a listing for the site, but definitely worthy of further investigation.
Reminds me a bit of the clearing on top of Moncrieff hill surrounded by forestry which could not be handed over to the commission as it is the 'seat' of Moncrieff so who is the local laird around Pict's Hill and is this his seat which he must hold to keep his title????
Good video - I really liked it. What does Heritage Scotland say?
There are often great vistas beside cup and ring rocks. Take away the forest and what have you? Various fungi around their sites too.
Hi mark,I was wondering if you had herd of Scotland's rock art project,I am part of the Lothians and fife team, the project is to record all known and unknown rock art in Scotland to help preserve and understand it using the most modern methods and also photogrammetry which is 3d recording and gives us a great look of the rock art which we can't always see with the naked eye,it also means that anyone can access the website database and map they are putting together for there own use ,I just wondered if you would check out the website as you must see lots of rock art on your travels and it would really benefit from your input.cheers.
What is that old Bordere's proverb "Nothing too heavy or too ?????? to lift."?
Myot hill near Denny ,Dumyat hill Stirling Tappoch broch Torwood. Forts with elevetated positions Maeatae people lived hear. Can see similarities with scenes in your videos .
Check list for identifying cupmarks: We have created a ten point check list for determining the probability that markings on the rock surface are prehistoric carvings. The more of the following that you can tick for your cup-like feature, the higher the probability that it is human-made:
1. regular, rounded shape when viewed from above
2. shallow depth, with hemispherical or conical cross section
3. smooth internal surfaces
4. upper edges that are smoothed, rather than sharp or occluded (i.e. over hanging)
5. limited size (usually 0.5-2 inches in diameter, although they can occasionally be larger)
6. on rocks that are not geologically prone to differential weathering or natural cup-like features
7. arranged in rows or in other artificial positions and groupings unrelated to any geological peculiarities in the stone
8. close to other, clearly identifiable rock art
9. on a rock surface with definite cupmarks or other motifs
10. surrounded by a ring or multiple rings
How many stones did you find mark?
Chris L countless Chris. Not all marked but loads more to clear the moss off.
Cheers for taking us with you!
I love, love your enthusiasm, but I'm really sorry - it looks like these are natural features, not cup marks. Cup and ring motifs also pre-date the Picts by several thousand years, they are primarily made in the late Neolithic and Early Bronze Age (5000 years ago). The first evidence of Picts is 297 AD, (1700 years ago). But I do congratulate you on your enthusiasm and passion for archaeology, it's great to see.
Maya Hoole it's common knowledge that the picts were the pre Indo European inhabitants of Britain and Ireland before any Celtic migrations or Roman invasions so how they can be dated to 297 AD at the earliest is rather inaccurate don't you think?
Of course there were Southern Picts,but in Galloway. I don't know about the borders. St.Ninian at Whithorn was the the Roman missionary who converted the Southern Picts.My family the MacDowell clan ,Lords of Galloway have always been known as a Pictish-Gaelic clan.Legend has it that Douall (Doval in Latin) slew the tyrant Nothatus to found our family in 230 B.C. before Hannibal crossed the Alps or the Chin dynasty unified China. The Romans called the tribe in Galloway the Novante.They were West of the Selgovae-next door neighbors.In Galloway they had Z rod marked standing stones and "galaxy "ring marked stones. I think you are correct.It stands to reason that if Picts lived in southern Galloway they would have been in the Borders too.They seem to like hilltop forts and brochs for the view.Perhaps those in the South were built as their own frontier outposts with a system of signal fires and runners. J.
From what I've read the Southern Picts were the first to convert to Christianity. Which might have made it harder to distinguish them from other groups. Especially on the borders.
That us Romany Gypsies- Aryan Nomads gadgie. x
Not cup marks; natural erosion that occurs in whinstone.
Get in touch with Niel Oliver maybe 🤔 Kiera Knightly isn't a very good representation of the Picts really.
Ha! Go MN!
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Mind Scotland's boarder was further down the English stole a good bit off Scotland's land it's about time wee got it back
Be honest Mark, did you do an off camera roar!!! The look on yer face!!
Thats us Roma Gypsies gadgie. x