Originally when I started Gigarf Zero to Hero I thought I was going to have a month until poe 2 to progress the run, but given the settlers reboot I am going to restart the run but going to do it as a guardian. I am deciding to swap the run to a guardian variation because I think it has potential to be stronger and I am curious how it will perform, Sorry about the reset to the zero to hero run but I think this will be better to do it in the settlers fresh economy reset.
Hey connor, I wonder if you could come up with a mana RF build that focuses on scaling the RF damage primarly that can get good damage and match the guardian's defense capabilities. The main issue I have with mana RF is that you're tempted to go low life ivory tower to get pain attunement but then you're forced to not reserve mana to not die to chaos dmg and that leaves little room for auras.
Because of you, I'll do a RF build in SoK 2.0 for the first time. Never tried it because in my mind it was always something that wouldn't scale well, but you changed my mind!
@@Aokimarcel if you play it enough long and gear up well, it is hard to switch to other builds, because you just run and everything around dies. This league switched from RF to splitting steel, for sure it had much more survibility, more DPS, but you need press buttons to kill, so I deleted it in 3 day and forgot to remove claster jewel's and lot few mirrors because of that
Hello CaptainLance, chain's friend here and thanks for featuring my inquisitor build. I'm also searching for the best RF build atm and I definitely agree with most of what you said in your video. Personally as a HC player I would never use coruscating flask so I am instantly ruling out strength stacker and I also think int stacking is the way to go, despite not having the necropolis mod it feels like regular RF scales es and damage better than RF of arcane devotion. If you want to scale more recovery you could maybe take the armor/es mastery for 5% es if you've taken phys dmg instead of divine shield, its really hard to scale armor on guardian. You could maybe do granite basalt flask but then you would have to use melding for 90 res and I don't see it being viable having to scale already int, chaos res and abyss sockets on suffixes (or maybe conversion to fire but then rip auras with sublime vision?). Also for phys I think the build is doing great already : less dmg per int, arctic armor, block, taken as ele, infused channeling and then the flat armor on top still. You could also go hiero for 4 min endu, similar es and you gain a bit of damage but lose some regen as a trade off. Currently i'm using immortal call + deflection annoint for extra defenses but I plan to drop cwdt immortal call when I will add abyss sockets. Couldn't make me play quiver RF tho, not having shield charge + a dash is heresy. About trickster rf it could be nice defensively but then you don't have sanctuary of thought/radiant faith combo that is so good to scale es. I don't think going suppression + evasion is worth the es loss in the end. Also I don't like heartstopper being conditional defenses. The inquisitor is very nice to scale aoe with adorned jewels, I think i should have made a shaper elder helmet with increased aoe instead of conc but the main problem is phys and recovery. You can put on defiance of destiny but its definitely lacking defenses compared to the guardian setup especially for phys, I would rather have 40K+ hp than 20K with 100 suppress. I never played chieftain rf personally but the explodes seem so strong thats why it's so popular. Tldr I do think the int stacking guardian is the strongest build just stat wise especially in HC. It has everything you need : high hp, great mitigation and recovery.
Feel a bit bad because I forgot what your twitch name was so just kept saying "chain's friend". And I 100% agree in HC not going Coruscating Elixir, it just isn't worth the risk of forgetting to click it in a single zone or running the risk of torment mod. As for RF arcane devotion, this one still I feel I don't know if I fleshed out setups with it enough; like it felt good in necropolis but I wasn't even sure it was better than regular RF in that league so would really need to fully put together and attempt more with it to get a better understanding of it. As for the defensive setups for guardian I definitely want to try a few different things, mainly I am very curious about divine shield as I have not really done high end setups with it and want to see if I have been sleeping on it. Will see how far I can get with the 1 month time frame with settlers reboot
@@CaptainLance9 hah my twitch name was exalteddigger but its fine I don't mind ^^ I just don't feel like mana rf is worth it because you would have to focus on mana primarly to scale damage but then you end up with way less es than the pure es version. Maybe theres something to explore with indigon arcane cloak but I don't really like the idea of having to scale mana regen on top of es regen to sustain mana for consistent cloaks. And as you said I don't think you should be concerned with phys unless you try to do ghosted feared I really think this build handles it well enough for everything else basically. Personally I'm not interested in scaling more armor, scaling more mana and int just gives you more flat that is already scaled through sanctity and ascendancy small passives. I don't think its worth it getting much more and instead just focusing on more ES or mana overall would have more value. I'll keep an eye on what you end up cooking tho, looking forward to make even better builds next year :) Would love to see you play some RF builds on HC aswell if you're into that.
I started recently an Occultist RF and actually, it was fun, especially since you can get explode clear on curse enemies, which is easy to do with Blasphemy. My character was aiming for a triple curse but I stopped playing right now as the event is not really that fun to me. Not saying Occultist is OP but it was fun for sure for the time I played it. Might return to it later if I decide to play again before next league.
The only reason I'll say that RF occultist is probably just not worth it is that the ascendancy doesn't have any synergy with fire damage, but instead works better with chaos if you want to scale profane bloom. Hence the better option would to probably go death's oath which is pretty popular as an autobomber with essence drain for single target dps that way you can scale generic chaos to get dps for both death's oath and profane bloom chain explosions with the same blasphemy set up.
@@jmanredbull1 First time I hear about Death's Oath (which is not surprising since this was my first Occultist ever). I'll keep that in mind. Was thinking of going with Ivory Tower instead as I have one with less crit damage taken on it already.
Juggernaut scaling late game is really, really good with endurance charge stacking. Getting 56% (theoretically as much as 90% but I haven't built that myself) damage per charge as well as excellent clear and defensive scaling from one source is quite strong.
I was one of the highest damage Indigon Mana RF back in affliction. Indigon Mana RF was well over dot cap in 3.23 and still capped in 3.24, however 3.25 changed a lot of stuff and it's probably around 20-25 mil at max spend now while being infinitely more squishy than the rest of the RF builds.. I think B tier is accurate because you only really edge out the other versions in uber-bossing but you still have the problems that all the other RF builds have in ubers, while also being just straight up worse in the things that the other builds excel at.
Indigon is definitely a wild card for me, I know conner did a setup with it but never tried it myself thus had no real cool out well or not it performed. Thanks for sharing :D
just posted my leaguestart video, it has a scuffed pob in description edit: should say the scuffed pob does not have fleshed out gear or even very good tree spec for later levels after campaign but I will be doing regular updates to character
@ and just when my league restarter had been chosen, Lance comes in pulling me back to the RF realm. Looking forward to starting this and following along! Thanks again!
I think it would be solid, but 100% would need to set it up just to verify if itd work. Unfortunately I think trickster may be a target of nerfs due to its dominance this league
@@MyNameIsSalo Yes it is the same mod and you can reserve mana, I'm not sure why you're saying that. The only problem is that you don't get access to es on block. I think your best bet is to get a fractured grasping mail since those drop from flawless breaches and use that until you can craft your twilight regalia.
Hi all! The Righteous Fire of arcane devotion featured in the video (JamesChampneys) is my character, so I thought I’d share some thoughts for anyone curious. First, I agree that Guardian RF is shaping up to be the strongest and certainly the tankiest variant this league. However, I believe with comparable investment, Mana RF can outpace Chieftain and Inquisitor, and is possibly on par with Scion. One major advantage of Mana RF is how cheap it is to get started, especially if you’re interested in the ES-based version of RF. Offensively, the increases to spell damage work with Righteous Fire’s arcane devotion, meaning there are many ways to scale damage that require much less initial investment compared to stacking 2,000+ attributes. On the defensive side, using Radiant Faith is exponentially cheaper than going with Sanctuary of Thought. Additionally, there are several affordable uniques and jewels to take advantage of. For example, when I bought my corrupted Mindspiral, it only cost me 60 chaos. Indeed, my character is quite low-investment in terms of stat stacking. For further scaling and realizing the full potential of (non-Indigon) Mana RF, I think there are two main paths forward: The Big ES Variant: This variant can, with enough currency, hit at least 40k ES. Some essentials include: reaching level 100, Kalandra-reflected rings, 3 (or fewer) passive voices, synth implicit rares with tier 1 affixes, and most importantly, a Twilight Regalia with “50% increased global defenses.” Just adding one of these (perfectly crafted) would give my current character an extra 6,500 es, so there’s plenty of room for improvement. The Quality of Life Variant: This would be a Mageblood variant that trades Pain Attunement, the increased global defenses chest, and a stat-stacking belt for the speed, maxed resistances, easy chaos resistance, and customizable buffs that Mageblood enables. This approach would require many other changes, like swapping Balbala for Avarius. Based on my testing, the end result-even with significantly better gear-would still yield around 30k ES, but the max hit across elements would be more balanced. In summary, mana rf is not the best but there is a lot there to min-max and problem solve for those interested.
Mana RF is definitely something I feel the least confident in my placement of it given my one experience was with the mana per int mod which was pretty insane, just wasn't comfortable ranking it higher given without that mod I wasn't confident in how itd perform. Your character I found was also much weaker gear wise than the others which makes it hard to realistically compare given its not a fair comparison with multi mirror investment vs the gear you had, I'm not big on custom making gear in pob which is what I'd have to do to help the gear disparity. Thanks for doing the writeup here for those curious as well as shedding some light on possible scaling options
@@CaptainLance9 It was my pleasure. I am looking forward to watching your Guardian progress specifically because it will be a zero to hero run which for lower wealth players/time short players is both super instructive and a fun vicarious experience.
Thank you for the consistently imaginative and limit pushing builds.
I tried cheiftan with penance mark was able to clear t17s juiced bosses no problem. I don’t think the damage falls off at all for the low investment the poe ninja is Lebonklejames. The estimate dps isn’t accurate I could do 12 mod t17s and rip through the boss in under a minute. Penance mark scales with monster hp all you need is ignite explode. I never even put a Mageblood or fixed the flasks on that character before moving on. You should look into that it’s not giga RF but it’s near screen wide aoe.
I am 100% not familiar with penance mark but if its a way to carry single target that sounds fantastic. I definitely have heard from others that using the explode node with penance can be solid, haven't seen it in practice though so not very familiar with it.
@ so it doesn’t count as a curse so you can use punishment we annoit I think it’s called defiled forces I forget but it refreshes aliments so once you proc Hinekoras fury you spam punishment to perma ignite refresh the huge burst from the phantasms max hp that’s scaled with the zone. It’s also a brain dead build while mapping you only cast penance mark on rouge exiles or bosses everything else dies to explode. Eventually I’ll make a clip of it to share but the best I have is that Poe ninja or pob. I was able to do 12 mod t17s and every blue altar. You can sustain regen on the no regen because the timeless jewel gives a ton of stuff on kill and can also take off forbidden jewel for the - endurance charge altar mid map. The regen is around 4k depending on war cry and if you stand still. This is a non mageblood so I’m sure it could be scaled much higher.
Clearing bosses "No Problem" isn't exactly right. Sure you can clear them, but you need to spawn phantasms potentially for a while until you hit a big explode, and even then there are multiple bosses/phases to consider. Not hating, I play 95% of my time on that build but I'd love to have a build which scales to reliably clear the bosses in a few seconds.
@ it is a few seconds I kill abomination boss ghosted in under 10 seconds. The only ones it doesn’t do well is the feared and valdos/pinnacle. It’s not a boss killer rf never was
Yes its possible but it will be more or less painful depending alot on your DPS. RF will always be a low damage skill compared to everything else thats out there.
Yea, Hierophant ascendancy RF imo, is only reasonable for the 40% spell damage boost. Burst builds only for sure. Shit like Arcmage support + mana regen with Temporal Rift to reset mana and hp can make a decent burst build with Arc or Divine Ire that has high regen with RF off during clearing. Other than that I'd hard pass conceptually on RF Hiero. And you don't even use the RF for the direct damage. Hardly counts as an RF build, just a mana burst build.
The QoL of easy progression + early explodes is hard to argue against. Definitely a lot of reasons whenever people ask me I generally just recommend RF chieftain :D
Hello, good sir! I'm nick, big fan! Currently following your build from 3.23 (55k ES), checking for the similar ones, updated to 3.25 on Ninja, not much changes, but neither your build nor ones on the ninja give me a decent amount of regen to remain well alive at lvl currently 85 (7k hp, 14k ES). Do you compensate RF's damage by humongous ES bar? I'm struggling with lack of regen since I equipped it lol and up to now I'm concerned that having more regen passive skills and items I'm still a sucky boy Without having Eternal youth passive allocated I do not have any life regen due to Zealot's oath. With both allocated I have 3800 hp regen (redundant, I needed just a few to restart the RF) and 3100 ES regen. But here's a fun thing - I also allocated +1 regen per overcapped fire resistance and it's the only thing that lets me live, but I'm dancing around enemies at times. Bosses are tough too I just don't get it, I'm prolly too stupid, but why that much regen don't give me enough to level out RF's self damage+enemy damage. Out of that build you provide I have all uniques, only lacking 15% ES regen rate from Watcher's eye. The rest regen-related is on it's place and even more... I think if you'll be able to answer the only question - it would be awesome. I'm just concerned that The healthier I become, the more my RF damages me...
if you're doing ivory tower for the ES like he did in crucible, you shouldn't have any need for hp regen since it's all being reserved to give even more ES via Ivory Tower. Also, how I see most people scaling ES regen is from zealots oath + % max hp/es scaling as well as % increase regeneration to scale the % of max hp/es regeneration rate. Some good nodes for it are Brink of Death because we're always on low life (south west along the edge near blood magic) as well as getting Rational Doctrine for concencrated ground lasting 4 sec and getting conc ground when not moving (only about 5 div current league) and Devotion for inceased effect of conc ground (west slightly north of divine shield). Lastly a watchers eye with any of the following if not 2 or 3, Vitality increased regen rate, discipline increased regen rate, and discipline % max es regen. Edit: Make sure you have 90% max fire res to reduce the DoT damage taken as well as a DoT mastery node for -10% DoT damage taken
@@jmanredbull1 Zeal's oath turns all hp regen to ES regen and when you use coruscating elixir (which is mandatory for this build since you have no hp) it drops hp to 1 and all damaging skills turn off as well. you can't attack without HP when you allocated Blood magic. Basically if I unlearn the "1 life regen per 1% of overcapped fire" I will die from my RF:)
All RF needs is overcapped fire res + the life regen per fire res node. Stack heaps of fire res everywhere, dual ruby rings w/ crafted fire res, crafted fire res everywhere. Run purity of elements + purity of fire. Can hit 200+ fire res easily and that'll give you heaps of regen. You can start this when you unlock the gem around lvl 30 To get to lvl 30 just use whatever you want really, doesnt matter. Magma orb into blazing salvo into firestorm is my go-to leveling for spell casters at the moment, self cast firestorm can carry until red maps without much investment if needed. Early game also use flame totem and firewall until you get firestorm, and then switch to self casting flammability instead. Arma brand is also really good if you want to respec some brand nodes later on. No idea if these are meta leveling setups but its what I use and I get act 10 + merc lab down in
Currently markusz has the gigarf gear for mirror servicing since he plays standard, but maybe before poe 2 if I find the time I can get him to swap over some things so I can setup and make a showcase video for those curious about it.
I have the first 2 progression videos I posted of the character, that early gearing is mostly right"ish" but you don't want doon or shapers touch that early until you really get 1k str for shapers, and doon i wouldn't consider till like 1600 str. Essentially you can start out as life based and go for kaoms/life regen rares, and then wait till you have some real solid strength stack gear to swap to ivory/shapers/doon would probably be recommended
What's the point of comparing mirror tier setups? That's why ppl play chieftain, you get enough defences and recovery for everything and similar damage, which matters the most. You have "turn off your brain" leveling as well. Explosions melt expeditions. The guardian, high end inquis or scions are like...playable after months of grinding and when you are really that bored imo. At that point you already farmed everything in the game and log off. I dont play rf, I play cold dot, but like...damage is plenty and the max hit you saw there (75k) is a lot. I have 10k on mine without melding ( which I can incorporate ) and I already think its overkill.
I can't seem to get into any other rf variant than chieftain. The explode is just so nice. Even with oriath or legacy , i just don't get the same feeling. Maybe i'm just biased towards chieftain , i might try scion ...
hey @CaptainLance9 i wanna try guardian RF one thing im pretty bad at the game and one of my worst bosses for me is maven i hate the debuff that stops your recovery. will there be any to deal with that on this build?
there is no dealing with that, you can only get good at the game. It only appears on uber maven anyways iirc so I guess you could just not do uber maven lol
nothing stops that ability from disabling sustain, what you can do is bring a burn removal flask, and if you get hit by that beam you can turn off rf with burn removal flask, so you don't degen down, outside that it comes down to practice dodging the beams that disable recovery
death's oath is something I gave up on a long time ago just due to the fact the game got harder and death's oath never got buffed to keep up, essentially to get reasonable damage will generally require ridiculous gear to carry it OR having scuffed overall defenses to make its damage acceptable. I very much do not recommend death's oath in its current state unfortunately :/
no one did trickster because its not fun to start it (as rf) ... and then for the people that decided to they ballanced RF vs litterally any other better build
trickster can get dot cap with 30k ES. pretty strong if you ask me for an in league RF. But then you are playing RF and can only get dot cap, so thats an L
Nothing for Vaal RF as Pathfinder? Is Vaal skill PF with Soul Ripper just a dead concept? Also this made me chuckle: "Throw away block..", looks at max hit numbers: 600 fucking thousand. Yeah, he's gonna need block...
You can probably make it work, but definitely not RF, it's just the complete wrong side of the tree for any good RF scaling, not to mention wasted ascendency other than 1 maybe 2 nodes. It would be much better to just go scion with the same flask sustain node but with actual good trees and other good ascendencies.
@@xyzqsrbo But in the absolute endgame, surely all your passive tree power comes from clusters and jewels, so starting position matters very little. Though I guess at that point, a Scion would outperform whatever a PF could offer anyways. Seems like even if you assume absolute permanent Vaal RF with zero down time, a flask-based approach probably sacrifices too much compared to what an int-stacker just gets by default for regular RF. Still, I'm surprised there aren't any notable versions that at least outperforms life-based Chieftains.
@@wolvie90 Scion is just simply the superior version, the pathfinder ascendency in it is the exact same flask sustain node that pathfinder has (actually a lot bit better). and the other nodes are great too. Basically pathfinder will always be just a worse scion
I love soul ripper for vaal RF, I used it a ton on my scion character, the main issue is pretty much that whatever pathfinder can do with vaal rf, scion can do with better hp/es scaling which is where your base damage comes from for RF. Also side note about vaal rf, its way more accessible as a dps option with the new sheperd souls enchant and I think I will include that on my RF guardian run, we will see how it goes.
I know it's way past your Forbidden Rite of Soul Sacrifice attempt, but I attempted a build once for it using Templar's secret FF/FF Searing Purity to turn 90% of the chaos into elemental. Then power charge stacking with Graven's Secret to translate that self damage in 144% elemental damage taken as ES recoup (on 12 charges). I'm sure with your budgets you could get to 13-14 PC if needed. It was only a half-hearted attempt and there is some work to mitigate that 10% on life (e.g. life recoup) or put it onto ES. There might be something there.
I definitely wasn't willing to try it mainly just because it felt like with all those sacrifices that id end up with half the ES at which point I would rather just be CI with regular FR, but could have been just wrong on my estimation there. if you find out it works thats fantastic but i was for sure skeptical. random side note: as a youtube/build creator I generally am very hesitant to use the uber variants of FF jewels when trying to do any level of budget setup because they are way more limited in supply I believe thus they spike to ridiculous prices and wont work as "budget" for very long if recommended in a build
As a softcore player, seeing these builds that cost multiple mirrors and him saying "yeah its about 20m dps with vaal RF up" ... what the fuck. If I'm spending multiple mirrors, I want 1b+ dps and to be insta phasing everything in the entire game not just uber bosses. It takes a very long time to grind out the currency for that and you do it for 20m dps? You can hit those dps numbers with like a 10 divine build. Ghosted feared would take so long to kill that you'd fall asleep before they die. Meanwhile zenith comes up and 1 slaps them RF just seems like a giga bait build. You can build tankier characters with higher dps for much much much cheaper, like when you're around the 1 to 500 div mark, in that general range there are way better options. RF may have a higher ceiling than most builds for defences, but you're in SC it doesn't matter. Only matters for voided maps and people aren't taking RF characters into voided maps because the dps is so shit. For HC, RF is a valid pick. For SC all you're doing is cucking your dps and playing a sleeper build
The point of endgame builds is to feel good and RF feels very good. It's obviously not the best damage (not even close) but just as the amount of defence you mentioned is unnecessary for most content the amount of damage zenith does is unnecessary for most content and it won't make you clear maps faster unless you giga juice them.
nothing about this video is me saying RF is better than other builds, just for context I think RF is a high B-tier to low A-tier skill based on QoL mainly. Its damage is way to low to be competitive with other skill options. That being said, I like RF and find it fun hence I make RF builds way more than any other skill and have a vested interest in trying to find optimized ways to build it. Edit: just read rest of your comment, I ran 50+ voided maps with RF last league in necropolis, just because its damage is low doesn't mean it isn't viable. Some void maps are DPS checks that RF shouldn't run, but other maps are tank checks which a lot of the DPS check builds won't run & RF can.
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Originally when I started Gigarf Zero to Hero I thought I was going to have a month until poe 2 to progress the run, but given the settlers reboot I am going to restart the run but going to do it as a guardian. I am deciding to swap the run to a guardian variation because I think it has potential to be stronger and I am curious how it will perform, Sorry about the reset to the zero to hero run but I think this will be better to do it in the settlers fresh economy reset.
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Hey connor, I wonder if you could come up with a mana RF build that focuses on scaling the RF damage primarly that can get good damage and match the guardian's defense capabilities. The main issue I have with mana RF is that you're tempted to go low life ivory tower to get pain attunement but then you're forced to not reserve mana to not die to chaos dmg and that leaves little room for auras.
Because of you, I'll do a RF build in SoK 2.0 for the first time. Never tried it because in my mind it was always something that wouldn't scale well, but you changed my mind!
@@Aokimarcel if you play it enough long and gear up well, it is hard to switch to other builds, because you just run and everything around dies. This league switched from RF to splitting steel, for sure it had much more survibility, more DPS, but you need press buttons to kill, so I deleted it in 3 day and forgot to remove claster jewel's and lot few mirrors because of that
Hello CaptainLance, chain's friend here and thanks for featuring my inquisitor build.
I'm also searching for the best RF build atm and I definitely agree with most of what you said in your video.
Personally as a HC player I would never use coruscating flask so I am instantly ruling out strength stacker and I also think int stacking is the way to go, despite not having the necropolis mod it feels like regular RF scales es and damage better than RF of arcane devotion.
If you want to scale more recovery you could maybe take the armor/es mastery for 5% es if you've taken phys dmg instead of divine shield, its really hard to scale armor on guardian. You could maybe do granite basalt flask but then you would have to use melding for 90 res and I don't see it being viable having to scale already int, chaos res and abyss sockets on suffixes (or maybe conversion to fire but then rip auras with sublime vision?). Also for phys I think the build is doing great already : less dmg per int, arctic armor, block, taken as ele, infused channeling and then the flat armor on top still. You could also go hiero for 4 min endu, similar es and you gain a bit of damage but lose some regen as a trade off. Currently i'm using immortal call + deflection annoint for extra defenses but I plan to drop cwdt immortal call when I will add abyss sockets.
Couldn't make me play quiver RF tho, not having shield charge + a dash is heresy.
About trickster rf it could be nice defensively but then you don't have sanctuary of thought/radiant faith combo that is so good to scale es. I don't think going suppression + evasion is worth the es loss in the end. Also I don't like heartstopper being conditional defenses.
The inquisitor is very nice to scale aoe with adorned jewels, I think i should have made a shaper elder helmet with increased aoe instead of conc but the main problem is phys and recovery. You can put on defiance of destiny but its definitely lacking defenses compared to the guardian setup especially for phys, I would rather have 40K+ hp than 20K with 100 suppress.
I never played chieftain rf personally but the explodes seem so strong thats why it's so popular.
Tldr I do think the int stacking guardian is the strongest build just stat wise especially in HC. It has everything you need : high hp, great mitigation and recovery.
Feel a bit bad because I forgot what your twitch name was so just kept saying "chain's friend". And I 100% agree in HC not going Coruscating Elixir, it just isn't worth the risk of forgetting to click it in a single zone or running the risk of torment mod. As for RF arcane devotion, this one still I feel I don't know if I fleshed out setups with it enough; like it felt good in necropolis but I wasn't even sure it was better than regular RF in that league so would really need to fully put together and attempt more with it to get a better understanding of it. As for the defensive setups for guardian I definitely want to try a few different things, mainly I am very curious about divine shield as I have not really done high end setups with it and want to see if I have been sleeping on it. Will see how far I can get with the 1 month time frame with settlers reboot
@@CaptainLance9 hah my twitch name was exalteddigger but its fine I don't mind ^^ I just don't feel like mana rf is worth it because you would have to focus on mana primarly to scale damage but then you end up with way less es than the pure es version. Maybe theres something to explore with indigon arcane cloak but I don't really like the idea of having to scale mana regen on top of es regen to sustain mana for consistent cloaks.
And as you said I don't think you should be concerned with phys unless you try to do ghosted feared I really think this build handles it well enough for everything else basically. Personally I'm not interested in scaling more armor, scaling more mana and int just gives you more flat that is already scaled through sanctity and ascendancy small passives. I don't think its worth it getting much more and instead just focusing on more ES or mana overall would have more value.
I'll keep an eye on what you end up cooking tho, looking forward to make even better builds next year :) Would love to see you play some RF builds on HC aswell if you're into that.
I started recently an Occultist RF and actually, it was fun, especially since you can get explode clear on curse enemies, which is easy to do with Blasphemy. My character was aiming for a triple curse but I stopped playing right now as the event is not really that fun to me.
Not saying Occultist is OP but it was fun for sure for the time I played it. Might return to it later if I decide to play again before next league.
The only reason I'll say that RF occultist is probably just not worth it is that the ascendancy doesn't have any synergy with fire damage, but instead works better with chaos if you want to scale profane bloom. Hence the better option would to probably go death's oath which is pretty popular as an autobomber with essence drain for single target dps that way you can scale generic chaos to get dps for both death's oath and profane bloom chain explosions with the same blasphemy set up.
I played Occultist RF to 100 a few leagues ago. 90% max res, over 10k ES, insane speed and explosions. 100% viable and strong at fufilling its purpose
@@jmanredbull1 First time I hear about Death's Oath (which is not surprising since this was my first Occultist ever). I'll keep that in mind. Was thinking of going with Ivory Tower instead as I have one with less crit damage taken on it already.
@@oblivescence5861 Yours was a CI build with that much ES I presume?
Juggernaut scaling late game is really, really good with endurance charge stacking. Getting 56% (theoretically as much as 90% but I haven't built that myself) damage per charge as well as excellent clear and defensive scaling from one source is quite strong.
I was one of the highest damage Indigon Mana RF back in affliction. Indigon Mana RF was well over dot cap in 3.23 and still capped in 3.24, however 3.25 changed a lot of stuff and it's probably around 20-25 mil at max spend now while being infinitely more squishy than the rest of the RF builds.. I think B tier is accurate because you only really edge out the other versions in uber-bossing but you still have the problems that all the other RF builds have in ubers, while also being just straight up worse in the things that the other builds excel at.
Indigon is definitely a wild card for me, I know conner did a setup with it but never tried it myself thus had no real cool out well or not it performed. Thanks for sharing :D
Tahsin also gives u an extra 2% regenerate per second while stationary...😊
Any chance at all we can get a scuffed PoB to follow while leveling?
Yeah look up lokati gaming has it there
just posted my leaguestart video, it has a scuffed pob in description
edit: should say the scuffed pob does not have fleshed out gear or even very good tree spec for later levels after campaign but I will be doing regular updates to character
@ and just when my league restarter had been chosen, Lance comes in pulling me back to the RF realm. Looking forward to starting this and following along! Thanks again!
was searching for a rf trickster this league, because of the nice new bases and got disappointed nobody tried it. my hopes are on you Lance!
I think it would be solid, but 100% would need to set it up just to verify if itd work. Unfortunately I think trickster may be a target of nerfs due to its dominance this league
If you cant get access to the Chaos damage mod on the chest, just get Esh's Visage (shield) it has the same mod
It really doesn't have the same mod as you can't reserve your mana to use Eshs visage
@@MyNameIsSalo Yes it is the same mod and you can reserve mana, I'm not sure why you're saying that. The only problem is that you don't get access to es on block. I think your best bet is to get a fractured grasping mail since those drop from flawless breaches and use that until you can craft your twilight regalia.
Hi all! The Righteous Fire of arcane devotion featured in the video (JamesChampneys) is my character, so I thought I’d share some thoughts for anyone curious.
First, I agree that Guardian RF is shaping up to be the strongest and certainly the tankiest variant this league. However, I believe with comparable investment, Mana RF can outpace Chieftain and Inquisitor, and is possibly on par with Scion.
One major advantage of Mana RF is how cheap it is to get started, especially if you’re interested in the ES-based version of RF. Offensively, the increases to spell damage work with Righteous Fire’s arcane devotion, meaning there are many ways to scale damage that require much less initial investment compared to stacking 2,000+ attributes. On the defensive side, using Radiant Faith is exponentially cheaper than going with Sanctuary of Thought. Additionally, there are several affordable uniques and jewels to take advantage of. For example, when I bought my corrupted Mindspiral, it only cost me 60 chaos.
Indeed, my character is quite low-investment in terms of stat stacking. For further scaling and realizing the full potential of (non-Indigon) Mana RF, I think there are two main paths forward:
The Big ES Variant:
This variant can, with enough currency, hit at least 40k ES. Some essentials include: reaching level 100, Kalandra-reflected rings, 3 (or fewer) passive voices, synth implicit rares with tier 1 affixes, and most importantly, a Twilight Regalia with “50% increased global defenses.” Just adding one of these (perfectly crafted) would give my current character an extra 6,500 es, so there’s plenty of room for improvement.
The Quality of Life Variant:
This would be a Mageblood variant that trades Pain Attunement, the increased global defenses chest, and a stat-stacking belt for the speed, maxed resistances, easy chaos resistance, and customizable buffs that Mageblood enables. This approach would require many other changes, like swapping Balbala for Avarius. Based on my testing, the end result-even with significantly better gear-would still yield around 30k ES, but the max hit across elements would be more balanced.
In summary, mana rf is not the best but there is a lot there to min-max and problem solve for those interested.
Mana RF is definitely something I feel the least confident in my placement of it given my one experience was with the mana per int mod which was pretty insane, just wasn't comfortable ranking it higher given without that mod I wasn't confident in how itd perform. Your character I found was also much weaker gear wise than the others which makes it hard to realistically compare given its not a fair comparison with multi mirror investment vs the gear you had, I'm not big on custom making gear in pob which is what I'd have to do to help the gear disparity. Thanks for doing the writeup here for those curious as well as shedding some light on possible scaling options
@@CaptainLance9 It was my pleasure. I am looking forward to watching your Guardian progress specifically because it will be a zero to hero run which for lower wealth players/time short players is both super instructive and a fun vicarious experience.
Thank you for the consistently imaginative and limit pushing builds.
I tried cheiftan with penance mark was able to clear t17s juiced bosses no problem. I don’t think the damage falls off at all for the low investment the poe ninja is Lebonklejames. The estimate dps isn’t accurate I could do 12 mod t17s and rip through the boss in under a minute. Penance mark scales with monster hp all you need is ignite explode. I never even put a Mageblood or fixed the flasks on that character before moving on. You should look into that it’s not giga RF but it’s near screen wide aoe.
I am 100% not familiar with penance mark but if its a way to carry single target that sounds fantastic. I definitely have heard from others that using the explode node with penance can be solid, haven't seen it in practice though so not very familiar with it.
@ so it doesn’t count as a curse so you can use punishment we annoit I think it’s called defiled forces I forget but it refreshes aliments so once you proc Hinekoras fury you spam punishment to perma ignite refresh the huge burst from the phantasms max hp that’s scaled with the zone. It’s also a brain dead build while mapping you only cast penance mark on rouge exiles or bosses everything else dies to explode. Eventually I’ll make a clip of it to share but the best I have is that Poe ninja or pob. I was able to do 12 mod t17s and every blue altar. You can sustain regen on the no regen because the timeless jewel gives a ton of stuff on kill and can also take off forbidden jewel for the - endurance charge altar mid map. The regen is around 4k depending on war cry and if you stand still. This is a non mageblood so I’m sure it could be scaled much higher.
Clearing bosses "No Problem" isn't exactly right. Sure you can clear them, but you need to spawn phantasms potentially for a while until you hit a big explode, and even then there are multiple bosses/phases to consider. Not hating, I play 95% of my time on that build but I'd love to have a build which scales to reliably clear the bosses in a few seconds.
@ it is a few seconds I kill abomination boss ghosted in under 10 seconds. The only ones it doesn’t do well is the feared and valdos/pinnacle. It’s not a boss killer rf never was
Is it possible to clear ubers or t17s with just rf alone? No ft no penance no explosions, just pure rf
Yes its possible but it will be more or less painful depending alot on your DPS. RF will always be a low damage skill compared to everything else thats out there.
So are you planning to upload guide for the Guardian?
just uploaded a scuffed guide/plan for my starter for settlers reboot
Yea, Hierophant ascendancy RF imo, is only reasonable for the 40% spell damage boost. Burst builds only for sure. Shit like Arcmage support + mana regen with Temporal Rift to reset mana and hp can make a decent burst build with Arc or Divine Ire that has high regen with RF off during clearing. Other than that I'd hard pass conceptually on RF Hiero. And you don't even use the RF for the direct damage. Hardly counts as an RF build, just a mana burst build.
Well i tryed out all kind RF and beet QoL is chieftain fire trap rf with DoD amulet, even it got nerfed. Also inqusitor is nice QoL.
The QoL of easy progression + early explodes is hard to argue against. Definitely a lot of reasons whenever people ask me I generally just recommend RF chieftain :D
Hello, good sir! I'm nick, big fan! Currently following your build from 3.23 (55k ES), checking for the similar ones, updated to 3.25 on Ninja, not much changes, but neither your build nor ones on the ninja give me a decent amount of regen to remain well alive at lvl currently 85 (7k hp, 14k ES).
Do you compensate RF's damage by humongous ES bar? I'm struggling with lack of regen since I equipped it lol and up to now I'm concerned that having more regen passive skills and items I'm still a sucky boy
Without having Eternal youth passive allocated I do not have any life regen due to Zealot's oath. With both allocated I have 3800 hp regen (redundant, I needed just a few to restart the RF) and 3100 ES regen. But here's a fun thing - I also allocated +1 regen per overcapped fire resistance and it's the only thing that lets me live, but I'm dancing around enemies at times. Bosses are tough too
I just don't get it, I'm prolly too stupid, but why that much regen don't give me enough to level out RF's self damage+enemy damage. Out of that build you provide I have all uniques, only lacking 15% ES regen rate from Watcher's eye. The rest regen-related is on it's place and even more...
I think if you'll be able to answer the only question - it would be awesome. I'm just concerned that The healthier I become, the more my RF damages me...
You can get a shaper shield and craft 5% es on block AND 5%Life on block.
if you're doing ivory tower for the ES like he did in crucible, you shouldn't have any need for hp regen since it's all being reserved to give even more ES via Ivory Tower. Also, how I see most people scaling ES regen is from zealots oath + % max hp/es scaling as well as % increase regeneration to scale the % of max hp/es regeneration rate. Some good nodes for it are Brink of Death because we're always on low life (south west along the edge near blood magic) as well as getting Rational Doctrine for concencrated ground lasting 4 sec and getting conc ground when not moving (only about 5 div current league) and Devotion for inceased effect of conc ground (west slightly north of divine shield). Lastly a watchers eye with any of the following if not 2 or 3, Vitality increased regen rate, discipline increased regen rate, and discipline % max es regen.
Edit: Make sure you have 90% max fire res to reduce the DoT damage taken as well as a DoT mastery node for -10% DoT damage taken
@@jmanredbull1 most of this is included, as for -10% DoT - huge advice, thank u
@@tobiaslarsen2302 thanks! I have a good aegis aurora, but with turd block chance that might not work, wanted to go all health/regen
@@jmanredbull1 Zeal's oath turns all hp regen to ES regen and when you use coruscating elixir (which is mandatory for this build since you have no hp) it drops hp to 1 and all damaging skills turn off as well. you can't attack without HP when you allocated Blood magic. Basically if I unlearn the "1 life regen per 1% of overcapped fire" I will die from my RF:)
At what level can we go RF as guardian approx? And what would you recommend leveling with skill wise up until that point?
fake RF at 36 with sentinel owo
Get kikazaru Early ( will be 3c max ) with hearty , fire res , and fire mastery for fire res as Regen .
Every class can do RF as early as you get it with the fire mastery.
All RF needs is overcapped fire res + the life regen per fire res node. Stack heaps of fire res everywhere, dual ruby rings w/ crafted fire res, crafted fire res everywhere. Run purity of elements + purity of fire. Can hit 200+ fire res easily and that'll give you heaps of regen. You can start this when you unlock the gem around lvl 30
To get to lvl 30 just use whatever you want really, doesnt matter. Magma orb into blazing salvo into firestorm is my go-to leveling for spell casters at the moment, self cast firestorm can carry until red maps without much investment if needed. Early game also use flame totem and firewall until you get firestorm, and then switch to self casting flammability instead. Arma brand is also really good if you want to respec some brand nodes later on. No idea if these are meta leveling setups but its what I use and I get act 10 + merc lab down in
Damn it Lance. I was set on my plans for this little league but now I'm doubting myself. Stop making me think I want to play RF again!
sorry I have an RF addiction
Do you have a link to a video showcasing a standard RF build with 200k+ ES?
Currently markusz has the gigarf gear for mirror servicing since he plays standard, but maybe before poe 2 if I find the time I can get him to swap over some things so I can setup and make a showcase video for those curious about it.
@@CaptainLance9 Yea, that'd be cool!
I wanna play the RF Scion in Settlers 2.0. Do you have a rough progression where to invest first?
I have the first 2 progression videos I posted of the character, that early gearing is mostly right"ish" but you don't want doon or shapers touch that early until you really get 1k str for shapers, and doon i wouldn't consider till like 1600 str. Essentially you can start out as life based and go for kaoms/life regen rares, and then wait till you have some real solid strength stack gear to swap to ivory/shapers/doon would probably be recommended
What's the point of comparing mirror tier setups? That's why ppl play chieftain, you get enough defences and recovery for everything and similar damage, which matters the most. You have "turn off your brain" leveling as well. Explosions melt expeditions.
The guardian, high end inquis or scions are like...playable after months of grinding and when you are really that bored imo. At that point you already farmed everything in the game and log off.
I dont play rf, I play cold dot, but like...damage is plenty and the max hit you saw there (75k) is a lot. I have 10k on mine without melding ( which I can incorporate ) and I already think its overkill.
I can't seem to get into any other rf variant than chieftain. The explode is just so nice. Even with oriath or legacy , i just don't get the same feeling. Maybe i'm just biased towards chieftain , i might try scion ...
that I believe is the key reason its so popular, people like the big boom :D
Only clear speed matters, explode best 100 100
Thats the point. No explosions and rf is just boring
@@tobiaslarsen2302 isn't Oriath's end an easy solution for that ? I guess you won't have it at teh start but it will feel good eventually.
@@MahdinoI play SSF and it drops from uber Sirus
hey @CaptainLance9 i wanna try guardian RF one thing im pretty bad at the game and one of my worst bosses for me is maven i hate the debuff that stops your recovery. will there be any to deal with that on this build?
there is no dealing with that, you can only get good at the game. It only appears on uber maven anyways iirc so I guess you could just not do uber maven lol
@@xyzqsrbo normal maven has it to in the final phase.
nothing stops that ability from disabling sustain, what you can do is bring a burn removal flask, and if you get hit by that beam you can turn off rf with burn removal flask, so you don't degen down, outside that it comes down to practice dodging the beams that disable recovery
Could you make a good death oath build? It's so much fun to play, but so hard to get defense
Death oath does 0 damage. Just play RF
@ Death oath kills fast enough for juiced T16. My problem is defense. Get often oneshots
death's oath is something I gave up on a long time ago just due to the fact the game got harder and death's oath never got buffed to keep up, essentially to get reasonable damage will generally require ridiculous gear to carry it OR having scuffed overall defenses to make its damage acceptable. I very much do not recommend death's oath in its current state unfortunately :/
@@CaptainLance9 Thank you for replying
no one did trickster because its not fun to start it (as rf) ... and then for the people that decided to they ballanced RF vs litterally any other better build
trickster can get dot cap with 30k ES. pretty strong if you ask me for an in league RF. But then you are playing RF and can only get dot cap, so thats an L
Nothing for Vaal RF as Pathfinder? Is Vaal skill PF with Soul Ripper just a dead concept?
Also this made me chuckle: "Throw away block..", looks at max hit numbers: 600 fucking thousand. Yeah, he's gonna need block...
You can probably make it work, but definitely not RF, it's just the complete wrong side of the tree for any good RF scaling, not to mention wasted ascendency other than 1 maybe 2 nodes. It would be much better to just go scion with the same flask sustain node but with actual good trees and other good ascendencies.
@@xyzqsrbo But in the absolute endgame, surely all your passive tree power comes from clusters and jewels, so starting position matters very little. Though I guess at that point, a Scion would outperform whatever a PF could offer anyways.
Seems like even if you assume absolute permanent Vaal RF with zero down time, a flask-based approach probably sacrifices too much compared to what an int-stacker just gets by default for regular RF.
Still, I'm surprised there aren't any notable versions that at least outperforms life-based Chieftains.
@@wolvie90 Scion is just simply the superior version, the pathfinder ascendency in it is the exact same flask sustain node that pathfinder has (actually a lot bit better). and the other nodes are great too. Basically pathfinder will always be just a worse scion
I love soul ripper for vaal RF, I used it a ton on my scion character, the main issue is pretty much that whatever pathfinder can do with vaal rf, scion can do with better hp/es scaling which is where your base damage comes from for RF. Also side note about vaal rf, its way more accessible as a dps option with the new sheperd souls enchant and I think I will include that on my RF guardian run, we will see how it goes.
I know it's way past your Forbidden Rite of Soul Sacrifice attempt, but I attempted a build once for it using Templar's secret FF/FF Searing Purity to turn 90% of the chaos into elemental. Then power charge stacking with Graven's Secret to translate that self damage in 144% elemental damage taken as ES recoup (on 12 charges). I'm sure with your budgets you could get to 13-14 PC if needed.
It was only a half-hearted attempt and there is some work to mitigate that 10% on life (e.g. life recoup) or put it onto ES. There might be something there.
I definitely wasn't willing to try it mainly just because it felt like with all those sacrifices that id end up with half the ES at which point I would rather just be CI with regular FR, but could have been just wrong on my estimation there. if you find out it works thats fantastic but i was for sure skeptical. random side note: as a youtube/build creator I generally am very hesitant to use the uber variants of FF jewels when trying to do any level of budget setup because they are way more limited in supply I believe thus they spike to ridiculous prices and wont work as "budget" for very long if recommended in a build
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what version of rf do you play?
@CaptainLance9 I played with swallin and Adorned for giga aoe , speed dmg and tankyness on my video there is a pob if you want to check it out
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The chieftain´s name translates as "Butthole in fire" from russian lol 😅
TIL thank you for that information lol
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i'm third then ?
Second I guess
This is all trash bait, Cheif firetrap/RF is the only real way to go. These RF builds dont have the damage to do real maps. This dude is clowning u.
As a softcore player, seeing these builds that cost multiple mirrors and him saying "yeah its about 20m dps with vaal RF up" ... what the fuck. If I'm spending multiple mirrors, I want 1b+ dps and to be insta phasing everything in the entire game not just uber bosses. It takes a very long time to grind out the currency for that and you do it for 20m dps? You can hit those dps numbers with like a 10 divine build. Ghosted feared would take so long to kill that you'd fall asleep before they die. Meanwhile zenith comes up and 1 slaps them
RF just seems like a giga bait build. You can build tankier characters with higher dps for much much much cheaper, like when you're around the 1 to 500 div mark, in that general range there are way better options. RF may have a higher ceiling than most builds for defences, but you're in SC it doesn't matter. Only matters for voided maps and people aren't taking RF characters into voided maps because the dps is so shit. For HC, RF is a valid pick. For SC all you're doing is cucking your dps and playing a sleeper build
The point of endgame builds is to feel good and RF feels very good. It's obviously not the best damage (not even close) but just as the amount of defence you mentioned is unnecessary for most content the amount of damage zenith does is unnecessary for most content and it won't make you clear maps faster unless you giga juice them.
nothing about this video is me saying RF is better than other builds, just for context I think RF is a high B-tier to low A-tier skill based on QoL mainly. Its damage is way to low to be competitive with other skill options. That being said, I like RF and find it fun hence I make RF builds way more than any other skill and have a vested interest in trying to find optimized ways to build it.
Edit: just read rest of your comment, I ran 50+ voided maps with RF last league in necropolis, just because its damage is low doesn't mean it isn't viable. Some void maps are DPS checks that RF shouldn't run, but other maps are tank checks which a lot of the DPS check builds won't run & RF can.