The Iliad vs the Odyssey
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- In this video I summarise Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, analyse theirmajor themes and then compare the two.
While the Iliad is the epic of irrational passion where courage is the main fuel in the tank, the Odyssey, however, is the epic of a rational man who is driven by loyalty to his wife and son. To put simply, the Iliad is the epic of physical strength while the Odyssey is the epic of mental endurance. The two epics can give us the picture of before and after when it comes to human agency and rationality.
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🕔Time Stamps🕔
00:00 intro
02:03 Homer
05:00 Iliad Summary
15:34 Iliad Analysis
21:07 Odyssey Summary
28:15 Odyssey analysis
32:56 Iliad and Odyssey Compared
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"Homer was sitting at a distance, watching the whole thing I'm kidding _Homer is blind"_
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It is the enjoyment of the written world that carries with it the age old wisdom that man’s nature is yet to change through the many centuries. And it is in its philosophies where we are challenged to find in ourselves better nature that we may rise the problems and confrontations of the day.
You somehow just listen to my wishes. I was going to read these masterpieces. But I randomly thought that it would be better if I saw an introductory video about them from your Channel. And it is here. Love begets Love ❤️
Appreciate it.
Best commentry I've heard before. It's a little unschematc and ad hoc but you throw up so many great parallels and insights that I think I should read it again..
Excellent presentation!!!
Thank you for your videos
Hello Fiction beast, Great breakdown of both epics!
I was wondering if you see our society at some point heading for another grand conflict/great reset? As you draw parrellels to "journey end of the night" & Homer epics
Fantastic content as always ✌
Hullo I have just finished the school for wife's and other plays by mollier that you mentioned in a previous video he is wonderful. Thanks for the recommendation.
Great video! Although i've always been taught that the world view of the time where the Iliad takes place (or was told as a story of past events, fiction or not), the gods, even Zeus, where actually inferior to the godesses of destiny, the Moirae, in that they where infact incapable of changing the fates of the mortals, which were woven or spinned by the godesses as a thread. It is only later in greek history, for example in herodotus' depiction of The Persian Wars, in which Apollon intervenes as Croesus, the king of Lydia, is about to be burned at the stakes, that the Gods "become" at least partially capable of intervening with fate. What's your thoughts on that?
Beautiful, Homer is beyond critique in my mind, interesting Socrates and Plato did not think so. Would love to also see a video on The Aeniad. Also, love the subtle dry humor throughout lol.
Yes great suggestion. I’ll add it to the long list that’s getting longer 😅
Their criticisms are dumb tho. Plato advocates to remove all poetry and art from society because he believes it instills bad virtues in the population. It's a braindead take really.
@@ericjackson-nq4hp Plato wanted to ban Homer cause he felt like it was teaching immorality. It's not incorrect to say Plato didn't like him cause in The Republic he said he didn't like him in the context of what's good for society. So the og comment is correct.
@@ericjackson-nq4hp I did source it... literally said in The Republic. 6000 books and you still lack basic reading comprehension skills?
@@ericjackson-nq4hp lol
Very good thanks
Do you still have plans to do Soren Kierkegaard? Love your channel!
Yes coming soon.
Amazing ♥
God is the air force for human beings. Great way to put it. Homer would be proud. If he spoke English. And knew what an air force was. And still alive 2799 years later.
Achilles definitely would wear black AF1s
But which God? You dont specify. An old god like Zeus? Woden? Atun? Or a still extant god like Brahma? Yaweh? There are plenty to choose from. Most overlapping in attributes. None is unique.
19:59 If the gods are themselves mythologized heroes, they would need to be hugely older ones than Achilles and Hector. We see linguistic cognates of the same deities in other Indo-European cultures, with Zeus and Charon honored by the Norse and Tyr and Odin, and the sky father Ouranos appearing as Varuna in India. Even ignoring Greece, Aesir and Asura are related terms for tribes of gods, but some less warlike nature gods Dionysus and Demeter seem to be native to Greece itself.
Great video! We're currently reading Homer's Iliad.
Cool love your content on ig
@@Fiction_Beast Thank you so much!😊😊🙏
Brilliant! And sense of humor!😂 It is understandable for new generation!
Cheers!
Your videos are very good and education and I enjoy most of them, including this one. But I disagree that the war started because of Helen or because of the three goddesses. It is true that the war started because of the whims of the gods, but really because of the goddess of discord Eris, who was not invited to the wedding of Thetis and Peleus (who happen later to be the parents of Achilles), while the other gods were all invited. Still, Eris showed up and tossed a golden apple with written τη καλλίστη (For the most beautiful) on the table. The three goddesses Hera, Athena and Aphrodite got into fight who was the one and asked Zeus to decide, but since he was afraid of the wrath of the two unchosen ones, he send them to the mortal prince of Troy Paris (who was still living on mouth Ida not knowing his station because of a prophecy). Hera said that if he grants her the apple, she will make him a ruler of whole Asia, Athena promised him great knowledge and Aphrodite promised him Helen, the most beautiful woman. Paris gave the apple to Aphrodite and she made Helen fall in love with him and then the whole story goes on. This episode is called “the judgement of Paris” and has been reproduced on multitude of artworks in Ancient Greece since its begging. Basically the whole war was because of discord and strife, as many things among humans, and Eris is just a personification of the discord. So I would disagree that it’s because the gods were bored or because of women.
As an Objectivist, I like Odyssey over all ancient epics. :)
Several months ago I decided to reignite my interest in ancient Greece and Rome and listened to Odyssey audiobook for the first time (having seen various movies prior) and then I decided when in Rome (cringe on the dad joke) to follow it up with the Iliad but, other than describing some action scenes it was pretty dry and I didn't find it as enjoyable. Now I have rosey fingered dawn, bathing, getting oiled up and mixing water with wine burned into my brain.
Was homer really blind? Or was it just rumor?
I’m always a sucker for the hero and romance.
It’s amazing such a long story was told orally by one man. I love Greek myths but I didn’t know that the story of the Trojan horse is not in the Iliad. There may be a truth in saying wars are biologically inevitable but it’s a bit dark:)
Thanks for the comment.
No even knows if Homer was real lol. Also the reason why the trojan horse isnt in the illiad is because the majority of the story has been lost to history. What we call the Illiad is only one surviving piece of the story.
excelente
I think that both epics are centred on two women: beautiful Helen and faithful Penelope. Getting back Helen and returning to Penelope respectively. Even Achilles' wrath is centered on a woman and Odysseus's most formidable tasks are to forego the pleasures of Circe and Calypso.
Don’t steal a man’s women or his cheese!
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his wife for his friends
Has anybody watched the OA?
the odyssey is also about hosts and guests.
I don’t have both
The gospel of Mark was actually based on Homer
Gods told humans to take responsibility for their own lives. Hm. Same thing humans are doing with AI. We are gonna be their gods?
Yes
Homer is still the hottest ticket in town.
Likely to continue for centuries to come.
Bart follows in his footsteps.
You put to much faith in biological determinism (imho) and you also seem to imply that the ancient greeks knew all about it!... weird...
quoting Jordan P lowers credibility,, while he may be on point sometimes, he's more like a broke clock (twice a day)
Lol 😆
Silly comment. Peterson is on point.
The little off hand remarks are so funny. xD
You sound gay tho.
Still. A good video.
Not gay but thanks for the comment
Dam lol
How do you like Peterson now? He's lost his mind.
Bro you did not just use a story created by men to argue that women are naturally the object of chaos. 😂 A man writes the story, has the female gods act in a way that he wants them to act, and you use that to justify your own bias against actual women??
The story existed before homer and it was told by many generations of Greek oral storytellers so it was crystallized by the time homer told it. Female animals watch as males square up to see who is a stronger mate. Humans are just another animal species. Wars or duels or fights are just our way of finding whose the winner. Nothing special.
You think it's axiomatic that women are not agents of chaos? Oh to be young and naive again.
That's why these old stories are important: if they were off-point and rang a false note they'd have faded away long ago. Many survive because they convey deep truths that generations of humans have thought important to pass on to their children. Do you understand women? Most people would say "barely". "What lies beyond our understanding requires us to listen to our ancestors." Thrasymachus of Chalcepon.
Is the voice auto generated or a person....of it's not a person..damn kindly pls change it....
What a pointless rude comment, English is obviously his second language….