If, or when, they ever finalize combat; dedicated missile ships like this should have special equipment to make their missiles more accurate versus a basic gun fighter that tosses a missile or two.
So you're saying the new ship that CIG wants to sell is better in _almost every way_ than the older missile ship? I'm shocked. 😏 Power creep much? 😆 Especially when comparing the claim timer and cost. The smaller ship takes longer and costs more; which I found very surprising. The Shrike's only advantage seems to be better agility. But that seems fairly pointless because you're not supposed to be dogfighting with a missile platform. Now for the gun toting Talon, it's better. But until they fix the way it goes wildly out of control when you lose a wing... I don't want to get shot when flying either Talon.
thats like saying a LF and MF needs to be the same? I dont get it? Like are you mad that a Arrow and a Hornet are different? OF COURSE ITS A POWER CREEP. Its literally one ship class up. The only difference is one a LF missile boat and one is a MF missile boat. Within the classes, they attributes of their archetype.
@@VashWildHeart true, but as I said, I was MOST shocked that the MEDIUM fighter was _cheaper & faster_ to claim than the LIGHT fighter. Kinda counterintuitive don't you think? 😆 And once both are in game purchasable, who wouldn't spend an extra 1/2 to 1M for the much superior stealth ship. Which reminds me... Shouldn't the smaller ship be MORE stealthy? It's smaller, as you so eloquently said.
People were complaining like crazy about the 12 missiles on the Firebird, so now it just got superior as a stealth bomber. The Talon Shrike is way more nimble, but like you said that's more noticeable and useful on the base Talon. At least.. you can claim the Shrike at an outpost I guess.
I have the shrike. I'm going to get the Firebird whenever they sell it in-game for sure. The only thing I don't like about the missile test is that I don't think either ship was ever meant to attack a target alone. A squadron of either ship would be devasting.
I bought the shrike when it was first offered for $90. I kept it awhile but it just performed horribly. It got CCUed to something better years ago. But I agree it's a decent ship to buy with aUEC. But there won't be much point to it once the Firebird is available in game.
The Firebird as an absolute beast. I would almost go on saying, with its insane acceleration to get out of trouble, its decent agility, stealth, six missiles launched, it is one the few ships in game that could possibly successfully challenge the F7A. In the proper hands this ship is deadly.
Firebird has bigger size 3 weapons but can't dogfight near as good compared to the shrike. Even thought it has 2 size 2 guns. Don't forget the Talon is supposed to be stealth and have special shields that absorb 100% of ballistics too. But thats not been implemented. Along with mutli target missile launches.
I was not considering the Firebird because I did not like the Shrike. Your practical demo really shows a bigger difference than I expected. I will need to look into this further. Thanks!
Neither the Talon nor the Shrike variant really match up with their descriptions or lore. As far as the Shrike vs the Firebird goes, the Firebird outdoes it completely in the current state of play. The Talon Shrike is a Light Fighter platform whereas the Firebird is based on a Medium Fighter platform and these platform differences aren't really shown in their current forms. I'm hoping CIG will review both platforms, as it seems illogical for a medium stealth fighter to offer better stealth than a light
I really REALLY hope that either the Tevarin ships have their stealth capabilities significantly buffed or the human made ships (bar stealth ones) get a reduction to theirs. The Firebird should absolutely not out stealth the Shrike, outgun? yeah sure but not have better stealthies. I am aware the Sabre series is supposed to have low emissions but they're not supposed to outclass the other fighters like they do currently.
Just a minor nitpick about word use: a "strike" is generally said as a mark against something, not for it. 😛 I like both ships, but for min-maxing, I would pick the firebird every time.
fire bird is generally better than shrike for sure, but there is another down side that you might not noticed, its maneuverability in atmosphere is just bad, in space, it is ok, but if somehow you have to dogfight in atmosphere, such as rappel, you would not want to use a fire bird. although it should not be a big problem considering that fire bird should avoid dogfighting anyway
The Shrike should have 2 size 3 hard points. The talon has size 4. If they bump up the Shrike these 2 ships would fit perfectly where they belong. The Shrike would be in the PvP category and the Firebird would be in the PvE category. This is a easy fix that hopefully they make.
You like stealth and lows emissions Cpt_Foxyloxy it seems- the secret low emission ship is the humble and cheap Aurora LX. Personally the Firebird has its place but its another niche ship CIG keep making and as you showed it not a cap ship killer. They should make it fire 12 missiles at once so it will be a great ship to kill medium ships up close with sleepy pilots.
Fuel capacity is meaningless without knowing the fuel consumption. And comparing stealth capabilities without stealth components and heat suppression is stupid and the Firebird is not the stealthiest ship either.
Almost all of the Alien ships need gold standard updates which will also bring a rebalance.... They'll probably go on sale and be the best at whatever they do at that time as well.
if you put 24 of the same missiles into the ship, or put them qually distriubted into each missile slot, will it fire 2 at a time atleast ? ( the shrike ? )
Really? What advantage does the Talon have? A minor agility buff? While being much slower, less stealthy, less armored, less armed, and less able to use its missiles?
Is there a difference between having no weapons/shield and turning off weapons and shields? I’d love to get more stealthy but I do want them there just in case.
@@SpaceDad42 If you are in a missile boat, and you have closed to guns range, something has gone wrong. Even then the firebird is still better because it has 2 size 3s instead of 2 size 2s
@@johnlesterr8927 Again, it SHOULD be better. It is a whole size class bigger. Also, now that missiles are slower and easier to counter, closer range will be necessary.
Yes but now the s9 only can lock 5km away target, depends how you use Firebird is use for kill small ship and eclipse are mainly for medium and large ship
I don't think it is a good mechanic that AI doesn't respond in any way to attacks when it can't get a radar lock... I assume the AI will be upgraded to at least react defensively.
If, or when, they ever finalize combat; dedicated missile ships like this should have special equipment to make their missiles more accurate versus a basic gun fighter that tosses a missile or two.
So you're saying the new ship that CIG wants to sell is better in _almost every way_ than the older missile ship? I'm shocked. 😏 Power creep much? 😆
Especially when comparing the claim timer and cost. The smaller ship takes longer and costs more; which I found very surprising.
The Shrike's only advantage seems to be better agility. But that seems fairly pointless because you're not supposed to be dogfighting with a missile platform. Now for the gun toting Talon, it's better. But until they fix the way it goes wildly out of control when you lose a wing... I don't want to get shot when flying either Talon.
You should not be getting hit enough to loose a wing in the Talon lol
thats like saying a LF and MF needs to be the same? I dont get it?
Like are you mad that a Arrow and a Hornet are different? OF COURSE ITS A POWER CREEP. Its literally one ship class up.
The only difference is one a LF missile boat and one is a MF missile boat. Within the classes, they attributes of their archetype.
@@VashWildHeart true, but as I said, I was MOST shocked that the MEDIUM fighter was _cheaper & faster_ to claim than the LIGHT fighter. Kinda counterintuitive don't you think? 😆
And once both are in game purchasable, who wouldn't spend an extra 1/2 to 1M for the much superior stealth ship. Which reminds me... Shouldn't the smaller ship be MORE stealthy? It's smaller, as you so eloquently said.
@@juggz143 why I chose the Shrike in the concept sale. Be support and keep distance. 👍
People were complaining like crazy about the 12 missiles on the Firebird, so now it just got superior as a stealth bomber. The Talon Shrike is way more nimble, but like you said that's more noticeable and useful on the base Talon. At least.. you can claim the Shrike at an outpost I guess.
I have the shrike. I'm going to get the Firebird whenever they sell it in-game for sure. The only thing I don't like about the missile test is that I don't think either ship was ever meant to attack a target alone. A squadron of either ship would be devasting.
I bought the shrike when it was first offered for $90. I kept it awhile but it just performed horribly. It got CCUed to something better years ago. But I agree it's a decent ship to buy with aUEC. But there won't be much point to it once the Firebird is available in game.
The Firebird as an absolute beast. I would almost go on saying, with its insane acceleration to get out of trouble, its decent agility, stealth, six missiles launched, it is one the few ships in game that could possibly successfully challenge the F7A. In the proper hands this ship is deadly.
Firebird has bigger size 3 weapons but can't dogfight near as good compared to the shrike. Even thought it has 2 size 2 guns. Don't forget the Talon is supposed to be stealth and have special shields that absorb 100% of ballistics too. But thats not been implemented. Along with mutli target missile launches.
Yes indeed. I heard about the shield thing, but tested, and it never worked.
@@cpt_foxyloxy because the tevarin shields don't exist
I was not considering the Firebird because I did not like the Shrike. Your practical demo really shows a bigger difference than I expected. I will need to look into this further. Thanks!
idk man, stuff like this get rebalanced all the time. but good looks last a life time
i'm sticking with the talon
My super hornet MKI was upgraded to the firebird, good investment I'd say 😀
Neither the Talon nor the Shrike variant really match up with their descriptions or lore. As far as the Shrike vs the Firebird goes, the Firebird outdoes it completely in the current state of play.
The Talon Shrike is a Light Fighter platform whereas the Firebird is based on a Medium Fighter platform and these platform differences aren't really shown in their current forms.
I'm hoping CIG will review both platforms, as it seems illogical for a medium stealth fighter to offer better stealth than a light
I mentioned this very point on spectrum and got downvoted into oblivion lol
Love the sound of the Firebird, almost made me buy it
I really REALLY hope that either the Tevarin ships have their stealth capabilities significantly buffed or the human made ships (bar stealth ones) get a reduction to theirs. The Firebird should absolutely not out stealth the Shrike, outgun? yeah sure but not have better stealthies. I am aware the Sabre series is supposed to have low emissions but they're not supposed to outclass the other fighters like they do currently.
Just a minor nitpick about word use: a "strike" is generally said as a mark against something, not for it. 😛 I like both ships, but for min-maxing, I would pick the firebird every time.
Little reminder :
Track IR (camera or headset) is VERY important to use for "missiles engagement" !
Pilot have a Helmet Mounted Display
fire bird is generally better than shrike for sure, but there is another down side that you might not noticed, its maneuverability in atmosphere is just bad, in space, it is ok, but if somehow you have to dogfight in atmosphere, such as rappel, you would not want to use a fire bird. although it should not be a big problem considering that fire bird should avoid dogfighting anyway
Yes indeed.
Are there actual stealth components we can equip? Or are all components the same signature/emissions so it doesn’t matter yet what you equip?
Stealth components are not fully implemented yet.
The Shrike should have 2 size 3 hard points. The talon has size 4. If they bump up the Shrike these 2 ships would fit perfectly where they belong. The Shrike would be in the PvP category and the Firebird would be in the PvE category. This is a easy fix that hopefully they make.
You like stealth and lows emissions Cpt_Foxyloxy it seems- the secret low emission ship is the humble and cheap Aurora LX. Personally the Firebird has its place but its another niche ship CIG keep making and as you showed it not a cap ship killer. They should make it fire 12 missiles at once so it will be a great ship to kill medium ships up close with sleepy pilots.
Fuel capacity is meaningless without knowing the fuel consumption.
And comparing stealth capabilities without stealth components and heat suppression is stupid and the Firebird is not the stealthiest ship either.
good points, I will be sure to add that in my future videos
I love both of them! Why can't I fly both at the same time?!?
Even though the firebird is probably better, the talon is just so much cooler to me.
Love the look of the Talon as well.
Almost all of the Alien ships need gold standard updates which will also bring a rebalance.... They'll probably go on sale and be the best at whatever they do at that time as well.
If someone lock you from outside of your radar range do you still get notified?
yes, as soon as someone target locked you, you will get the notification on your hud
also, always try to fire missiles at the cockpit, the 5.5m aoe with a strike class missile can pilot kill
Absolutely right.
Would the missiles fire out of each side one after another, left and right in order, if they were the same type vs having 2 different types?
Yes, it will fire on both ports, but still will fire one at a time - fire one port and then fire the other port, it never fire 2 at the same time
if you put 24 of the same missiles into the ship, or put them qually distriubted into each missile slot, will it fire 2 at a time atleast ? ( the shrike ? )
Tired that, it won't, it will still fire one port at a time, never 2 at the same time
I am pretty sure the Firebird HP info is wrong. It literally evaporates when the shields are down.
I was thinking about the same.....
I got both, they both have their advantages.
They both look awesome too!
Really? What advantage does the Talon have? A minor agility buff? While being much slower, less stealthy, less armored, less armed, and less able to use its missiles?
Is there a difference between having no weapons/shield and turning off weapons and shields? I’d love to get more stealthy but I do want them there just in case.
at 1:30 of this video you will find your answer.
ua-cam.com/video/6KLIwRSCTLU/v-deo.html
@@cpt_foxyloxy great explanation, but I still think I’ll keep those components on just in case. A few hundred ir sacrifice is worth it imo
The Firebird is the one for me.
I thought in this patch the missiles would only lock on 5k away or above?
That for size 5 or bigger, i think.
Yes, the 5k range is only for size5 and size9 torps
@@cpt_foxyloxy ok thank you foxy
the most important point was left out .. talon $115 vs 185 for the firebird ...you can almost have both talons for the price ...Talon wins
thanks for adding that
@@cpt_foxyloxy my pleasure, I'll geek out over the next incoming Saber with ya, I hear its a Ewar
Mark my words. When the Shrike gets an update, it's gonna be able to dump it's entire salvo.
Firebird reminds me a lot of F35
slide in sounds so much better
lol...I agree
I really want to know which type of missile more effective, would you going to test it, please
Yes, that is an essential aspect of SC space combat, I will test it soon.
So 24xs3 rockets didnt even get c2 hull to red? Must be a bug
Hey, you have a typo in the title (firebird) incase you missed it 🙂
Thank you so much, I typed too fast. Good catch. Corrected.
m5a, shield off, 2.6 km away shooting target being undetected :D
Since the Talon is the only one buyable it wins by default =D
Can you even buy the firebird in game?
Nope 🙈😢
Sadly, this doesn't even seem like a discussion. Shrike was doomed the second they gave it 24 missiles.
It is one class smaller and should be slightly inferior to the Firebird. Its advantage is that it is more maneuverable and a smaller target.
@@SpaceDad42 If you are in a missile boat, and you have closed to guns range, something has gone wrong. Even then the firebird is still better because it has 2 size 3s instead of 2 size 2s
@@johnlesterr8927just cig that with every new ship they have to make it better than anything else come before to sell it, lame
@@johnlesterr8927
Again, it SHOULD be better. It is a whole size class bigger. Also, now that missiles are slower and easier to counter, closer range will be necessary.
@@SpaceDad42 it is a whole size class bigger, yet it is more stealthy by a long shot.
13:40 Better stealth than the Aegis Eclipse?
Yes but now the s9 only can lock 5km away target, depends how you use
Firebird is use for kill small ship and eclipse are mainly for medium and large ship
I don't think it is a good mechanic that AI doesn't respond in any way to attacks when it can't get a radar lock... I assume the AI will be upgraded to at least react defensively.
Totally agree.
The Shrike is going to need a serious rework or it's a pointless ship now.
But the biggest issue is the Firebirds paint is broken. 😢
Conclusion: Firebird nerf incoming after removing from the store. Solved
110$ VS 185$
Shhh. A working stealth ship in pvp is gonna scare people. Muahahaha.
lol
and broken paint lol
talon scam vs firescam wow scam battle to the max
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