3 Ways To Deal With Tall Rye Grain In Deer Food Plots Without Big Equipment
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2021
- When should tall winter cereal rye grain be mowed and disked or rolled and sprayed? If you're trying to build organic matter in your deer food plots, it's best to never till or disk the soil. Broadcasting seed into the tall standing annual rye before their seed heads mature and then rolling and spraying it with herbicide is one way to build great organic matter. Or instead of rolling and spraying herbicide, you can crimp the rye instead to kill it mechanically.
This video shows a calendar timeline when the best times are to terminate tall annual rye grain.
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This is such a great video. I watch it every year.
Outstanding presentation and content. Thanks for posting.
Great video showing the full lifecycle. Greatly appreciated and very helpful! Thx
Great video. I can't afford a no till drill, but paying attention I noticed several very helpful points to use to help me going forward. 👍
Perfect examples of how to. I only wish I had property of my own to have you come out to and consult. I am lucky enough to have some great friends that let me hunt and apply this strategy to some small plots. It’s definitely the way to go. 👍🏻
A solo spreader, backpack sprayer, and my Polaris Ranger with a lawn roller has performed great. I have been utilizing a no-till planting technique by broadcasting into standing vegetation for a few years now, and the results are great.
Great video ! Always enjoy your content a bunch 👨🏻👍🏼👍🏼
Great- info I think your 2-year calendar is very helpful
Randy, nice job bringing it all together and giving a detailed plan on food plot management, thanks!
I have never seen a more perfect video of how this process should be done, along with all of the options and advantages this particular rotation gives the landowner. I've been using this process and rotation for years and I wanted to thank you for posting a simple and 100% accurate video, showing others how to do this.
Thanks Jason
"if theres any rye grass just put it back on the shelf" *****best advice I've ever heard
Great video!
"You don't need big equipment for no-till but I am gonna do a whole video for you with $50k worth of big equipment." I mean, I guess you kinda mentioned how to do it w/o big equipment but the title is a little deceiving considering you basically just showed us how to use a tractor and an expensive no-till drill that 90% don't have access to.
Being a visual learner, the timeline graphic was the perfect addition.
Q - Can one start the process in the fall instead of spring/summer if it's too late to plant s/s?
I think for the absentee landowner, who has less than an acre to plant, minimal equipment, no till makes sense for micro seeds like brassicas. However, I am not taking chances broadcasting my fall planting cereal grain seeds on the surface. Cereal Rye would be the only larger seed I would do no till with however I have abandoned cereal rye. It is easy to grow but it simply does not draw deer for me. My rotation is 1 year I disc and plant oats, wheat, clover. Following year I plant my brassicas with No Till method as they are super tiny and can be broadcasted on top of soil, ideally with dead material on top. Key here is to plant just before a rain event. But overall a great video and outstanding explanation on no till practices for the deer habitat enthusiasts. About the best explanation I've heard yet!! Just be careful with your larger seeds unless you have a drill.
This was a very good video. I will be rewatching this. I’m wondering which variety of crimson clover you used.
Great thinking.
Randy, well done! ps. I'll have some pictures to share of the food plot you designed for me. Buckwheat was coming up nice two weeks ago.
Thanks Travis. Glad to hear you got some good growth on year one.
Loved the “planting green”, the no-till and diverse cover crops. Since I started planting Rye I’ve noticed turkey hens really like to nest in it. And you gained a subscriber!
Needs more diversity in your seed blends 8-10-12 way mixes
Use The Genesis to no-till the buckwheat into the standing rye, then crimp the rye down.
Pretty good, although spraying immediately after crimping is mostly a waste of chemical. Damaged plants won't transport the herbicide to their roots. Best to wait a week or two between crimping and spraying so the surviving plants recover a bit, if spraying at all. The crimp and rye should give good control, rye and its fresh residue is known for inhibiting germinating grass seeds(including corn).
Is there a substitute for Buckwheat during the summer? the deer kept mine eaten down to the ground. it was 4ft tall in my test fence so I know it was over browsed.
Great video! I recently bought a no till drill and am trying to convert my food plots to no till. Your method seems great for fall plots (planted in early August). However, have you figured out how to plant cover crops with beans or corn as a food plot? I suppose I could broadcast rye when the beans mature in September (and hope it grows). Corn seems even more tricky because it doesn't mature until October and I can't figure out how to plant a cover crop into the corn. Thanks!
I can't answer for Randy, but this is how I've done it successfully. For beans wait until your leaves start to yellow and overseed your small grain seeds. As the leaves start to fall off it will expose it to more sunlight. You can actually do it with a 4 wheeler and seeder. It won't do much damage to your beans. Or broadcast them all by hand walking the rows. Corn just overseeed with a hand broadcaster 30 days before bow opener to have nice young greens coming in.
Notice the rye grass he has highlighted is annual and not a perennial , it's not the stuff you would have in a lawn or a grain rye he is talking about three different things not two.
For me I guess it’s roll and spray the wheat and rye. I can’t walk the food plot though because I’m in west texas and we have too many rattle snakes. Any additional tips for a guy in the heat of west texas? I was considering mixing buckwheat and lab lab for summer. Wheat and rye in fall but not sure what to do about spring. I’d like to also attract turkey and feed our resident quail as much as possible too. Lastly will leaving some of the wheat and rye for fall be good for a dove food plot? Mow strips down in early September?
Love the video lots of information just a question I do have is I have about an acre or winter rye coming up amazing I live in Northern Michigan lower peninsula and my rye is already knee high or higher from my planting last year I would like to keep it for years to come when is the best time to get it worked back into the grown to re seed itself and do I need to mow it first or just till it in?
Just let the rye seed heads mature this summer. In July the rye will have completed its life cycle and will be dead and still standing. In August if mow or roll it down, a lot of the seed will germinate and create a new crop. If you lightly till it in as well (shallow), you'll get even more germination. Since most of Northern MI is sandy, you don't want to disk or till very deep at all.
Quick question,
What would be the best process if all I wanted to do was have fresh winter rye each year and not add much of anything else to it.
Mow it down once it’s matured then disc and re-plant? I have all the equipment to easily disc each year. I’m very new to this and look for any advice. Great video!!
You could mow it after the seed matures and then later lightly disk and just broadcast oats and crimson. No need to broadcast more rye.
Can you just leave rye to go to seed and let deer use it as bedding and cover for deer and other animals?
Is it possible to move away from Roundup over time?
Been wanting to try this year , few questions 1st there is nothing in the field to plant into can I put out rye grain ( new to me ) and get a stand tall that I can plant into , spray and weedeater cut down on top of seeds . Or is it to late to try this year NE Arkansas , it's been in the 90s and little rain > Tring for early Sept .planting if we got rain .
You bet. Start with rye or buckwheat. You can roll it down over your fall seed planting in Sept and spray it. Gly doesn't hurt seeds
Uncle Buck?? Is that you lol!
Who has this seed mix already premixed? Was this think on doing this in southwest wi this year.
This blend is not available already mixed. I mix it myself. I broadcast the 3 grains together in the first pass, and the radishes and crimson together on the 2nd pass since those seeds are smaller.
Thanks Randy. The Cultipaker has a crimper attachment, would it work to roll down and terminate the rye?
I have heard the crimper attachment gets wound up with the rye or any tall plants. Okay for small plots but that's about it
Thanks again!
Update on the field where u rode in a bucket in front of tractor. Thanks for sharing the seed mix and timing. You ever add peas to the buckwheat or other seeds?
Just straight BW
@@SeeMoreBucks would you add some buckwheat in fall. Obviously it will die with frost. Deer seem to love it on my property
@@travissmith-wz5nc I never have but did some voluntary BW seed come up but was out-paced by grains
Randy, did the cultipacker from your one client work effectly to crimp the rye and buckwheat? How did it compare to the use of a crimper crimper? thanks, Bob
The cultipacker does not terminate plants. It only rolls it down. If you don't have a crimper, you'll also need to spray herbicide to terminate.
Randy, thanks for the quick response. So I could spray RU after no till planting.
@@rfb7117 If you have enough biomass to cover the seed so RU doesn't hit it directly
Can this be done without spraying chemicals?
Since rye grain and crimson are great at suppressing weeds, you may be able to get away from spraying herbicide after a few years.
I like it, but that looks like big expensive equipment. Drill and tractor yikes!
Everyone of these guys right or wrong just plays follow the leader!!!!
Can you spread the buckwheat into the rye then crimp? And spray?
This is my first year of no till. I sprayed the rye around the first of June, spread buckwheat into it 2 weeks later and rolled it with a lawn roller behind my garden tractor. It worked really well and the buckwheat is on it's way.
So you really didn’t need a crimper for rye? I only have a cultipaker at the moment
Absolutely Adam. Broadcast your seed first, then roll with a roller or cultipacker and spray,.....or just use a crimper without spraying. A crimper is not the same thing as a cultipacker or roller. Either way works fine. No big equipment needed. BTW...glyphosate or Roundup does not hurt seed if you spray right after seeding.
I know you can make small crimpers on your own but I would consider one large equipment as the ones they sell are massive and about 6 grand
Looks expensive?
Geez ROUND UP LIQUID FERTILIZER Why bother with no till?
Sorry to say, but that tractor, crimper, and no-till Genesis drill do not look like "Without Big Equipment."
Annual rye is grass not a cereal rye
Jeff Sturgis in his infinite wisdom (just ask him) would highly disagree with you here.
LOL
Roundup 😵💫👎😡😖
Good ideas except skip the cancer producing poison roundup.
Planting a field that deer come to eat from and then shooting one of them is the same as setting out bait and then hunting. Both require no skill and should be illegal
I hope they don't eat those deer, otherwise that kid might have a cancer before his 50's!