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Crimping: How to terminate standing crops
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2023
- It's time to crimp after planting our summer food plots on The Proving Grounds 2. Grant Woods discusses many common questions about crimping and why it's the best weed suppressor, fertilizer, greenhouse for your new crop, and more.
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Common sense approach to food plotting and soil building. A lot of folk here are using rollers and welding angle iron on them for crimping. Seems to work very well. The funniest one I saw was an old hot water heater tank with welded iron. Hehe
I crimped for the first time this year. A few thoughts. First I will have more Rye next year, this years mix had more oats but the exterme cold weather we had last year killed most of the oats. One surprise was the mix had Winfred Brassica in it and crimping released it to grow much taller. The funny part is deer didn't touch it all winter but they are walking right past soybeans and cowpeas in my summer mix to eat the Winfred brassica.
Thanks for sharing your observations!
Great summary and explanation of the crimping process. Thanks Grant!
Awesome stuff Dr. Grant! Just tried my first season of the buffalo system, and I'm in the midst of doing the process of drilling and crimping now on our Southern Illinois farm. We've struggled mightily with roudup resistant weeds for years due to farming practices, so I have hope this will work! For now I am planting buckwheat for summer and to help amend the soil, provide wildlife food, and shade out weeds. Looking forward to some potential success! Thanks!
Have fun watching the soil's health improve!
Thank you for this video. Very informative and interesting. Thank you for letting your light shine, too! Yes, meat can be grown (not just "produced") on land! Who woulda thunk it? I totally concur that nature's was is the best way.
This is a very very good explanation / talk on this.
Sorry I took so long reply, life got busy, between the archery shop, etc. Thank you for your reply. Since then I planted beans, and fail. About 4 weeks ago I planted buckwheat. It seams to be doing good. I did have rain, and did through some fertilizer. It was looking great 2 weeks ago. I'll be back up there this coming Sunday. I'm hoping this is going to give me something to crimp.
I do have deer pressure, and turkey. It is only 4 acres of plots on 60 acres. If this works, I'll try again with summer high browsing pressure blend from Seed Cover. I'm sure there is more I should be doing, but for now I'll continue watching your videos. Again thank you for your reply.
I have a Genisis, and a crimper. Order Seed Cover, summer pressure blend, lime the year before. Madison Florida, 8 miles from Georgia. Failing miserably.I keep watching your videos. I did test the soil. Just a little defeated .
Plots being over browsed? Weeds? What's the issue and I"ll try to help!
Love your videos and your ideology on food plots. The summer release planting sequence makes sense. But come fall and you have planted and crimped, how do you drill rye in after your plants are coming up without destroying them?
Cereal Rye is in the fall blend I plant. I plant all the species at once. Checkout the Fall Release blend at GreenCoverFoodPlots.com
Your explanation of planting the summer release blend into rye is quite clear. Thank you for that explanation. Could you please explain the remaining steps in the annual process to complete the cycle? Namely, is the fall release blend drilled directly into the summer release? If so, how is the summer release blend terminated? If it’s not crimped or disced how does the fall release blend get adequate sunlight. Also, do you then overseed the fall release blend with rye in late Sept/Oct to get back to the first step? Thanks.
John - Great question! Deer tend to browse the summer annuals and reduce the forage volume by the time it's 60 to 45 days before the first expected frost of the fall (planting time). GIven this, I simply drill the fall or cool season crop into the standing summer crop. Between the forage removed by deer and other critters and drilling there's almost always enough light for the seeds to germinate and grow. I rarely need to crimp as part of planting a fall crop. This process also leaves forage to attract deer just before deer season. Disking, mowing, etc., cleans the table - doesn't leave food to attract and feed deer.
Thanks for another great video. Could you tell me how long after you drill your summer blend is the optimal time to crimp? Also how can you tell if you need to add wt./ water to your crimper. It has rained so much in Mississippi that I think we are late planting and it hard to tell if we are getting an effective crimp on some of the grasses. Thank you for you help !😊
It's rarely an issue to add water to a crimper unless the added weight causes it to leave deep tracks in the soil. Crimping produces the best results when the crop from the past season is producing seed in the dough stage and before the recently planted crop is more than 3-4" tall.
Grant... do you have a video on the best way to make a manual "foot board" crimper? I'm just working a 1/3 acre (in north-central Virginia) by hand, but want to apply your methods as best I can anyway. Thanks!
We don't have a video that shows how to build a foot crimper. Sorry! It's simply a 2 x 6" with twop 1" angle irons attached to the board and a rope as a handle.
First spring as a hunting property owner and I am all in on the regenerative farming practices for our new food plots. Question though: Do you think the crimped layer is hard on turkey poults in their first few weeks alive? I am listening to the Wild Turkey Science podcast and the consensus seems to be that brooding cover is even more limited than nesting cover. Here in Ohio I am having a hard time getting any prescribed fires done and just wondering if you felt that mulch layer would affect the poults more then terminating the stand by spraying?
Jacob - I suspect a thick layer terminated vegetation is tough for young turkey poults to walk through. However, there are a lot of turkeys at my place. In fact, I saw several poults yesterday. It seems management of the native vegetation is providing quality habitat for turkeys!
I plant the Elbon variety of cereal rye and just cut and disc it. The seeds are infertile because it's a hybrid it doesn't come back
Richard - Elbon rye is a good variety! However, the seeds are viable - the source of the next batch of Elbon rye seeds.
How much rye did you have to add after planting fall release? My fall release was more red clover than anything, I had hardly any rye standing unlike shown in this video? Any ideas of what I should do this fall?
Wow - haven't heard of that. I don't add any cereal rye to the GreenCoverFoodPlot.com blends. Something sounds off? Do you know what happened?
I only have 40 acres south of Abilene Texas. I want to bring my soil back with the release process. I can build or buy a crimper but a no till drill is out of the question for a couple acres worth of food plots. How can I plant without one in your system?
Gunny - Most counties have an NRCS office and many of their offices rent no-till drills. I have some plots in the timber where I can't get a drill. I simply use prescribed fire to remove the fall crop each spring (and any weeds) and then broadcast seeds for the summer crop just before a 1/2" or more rain. Don't spread the seeds on a fire scar (black) with no rain in the forecast or the seeds will bake and many will die. Send pics!
Could crimping be effective on ragweed? That's what I am trying to control in a CRP grass and nut-tree field.
Yes - if the ragweed is making seed in the dough stage.
What if you don’t have tall grass to crimp for your first food plot? I have short grass in my field. Should I plant and then come back and maybe lay some straw/hay over the field?
Antony - adding straw usually adds some weed seeds. It will be best to remove the competing vegetation maybe with a herbicide, then plant the forage crop.
How long after I plant can I crimp. I crimped immediately after I planted but it stood back up and I Feel like it needs to be crimped again. What do you think about doing this. I planted the summer release blend from Green Cover.
Riggie - You can crimp anytime the new seedlings aren't more than 3-4" tall and that the seed heads of the larger plants (usually small grains) are in the dough stage - seeds formed but not hard - rather the middle is still very moisture.
@@GrowingDeerTV Thanks Dr. Grant, hopefully I'm not too late cause i need to create more mass and mulch on surface
I can only afford fall seeds here in western NY. I have a home made crimper and seed drill for my small plots. As I would like to plant in mid to late August, should I crimp now before my rye, weeds etc become viable. Or wait till after I drill in mid August to crimp. I'm concerned I'll have too many rye/weed seeds to compete with my fall blend?
John - You are correct that the rye should be terminated (crimped or sprayed) before the seeds become viable. This may mean you need to spray the weeds before the fall crop is planted also. New seedlings don't compete well with plants with an established root system.
@@GrowingDeerTV Thank you so much. I appreciate all you do. Regards John
So what could you use on an ATV to cramp?
RTP Outdoors makes an ATV crimper!
Do I need a seed drill for this to work or can I broadcast seed? I was thinking about planting rye in the fall then early summer broadcast buckwheat in to standing rye and them crimp. In August I would broadcast my fall food plots into the buckwheat and then crimp the buckwheat down. Would this process work or has anyone else tryied this?
Mark - you plan will work - broadcasting buckwheat or a good blend (blends are always better) into the standing rye. However, there may be an issue planting the second crop during the fall (following the buckwheat). The rye duff on the ground may make it tough for seeds to reach the soil. If that's the case, prescribed fire can be used to remove the duff and prepare a seed bed for the fall crop. This also remove any existing weeds. This system won't produce as good of results as a using a drill, but works well! I broadcast seed each year at my place.
Do you think I could skip the buckwheat and let the rye go until August. Broadcast my fall plots and crimp the rye over the top?
@GrowingDeerTV Very informative. I recently planted Sun hemp, millet, peas & alfalfa. When would be the best time to terminate?
Do you have some recommendations for crimpers?
All of those except the alfalfa are annuals and likely should be terminated in time for the fall crop to do well! I use a PH crimper and it works great!
@@GrowingDeerTVgood morning and thanks for your responses. I'm having the hardest time finding a distributor or that particular crimped to purchase. Where did you purchase yours from? Maybe I can start there lol thanks in advance
@@GrowingDeerTVI'm in South Carolina
Can I no till soybeans right into the pasture grasses and crimp it? or fall release blend? I am waiting on soil samples right now. Hoping to get something in the ground in Aug and pray for thunderstorms! I don't have the time or access to my land as I live 16 hours away from it.
Tim - recently germinated seedlings don't compete well with established plants. It's probably necessary to terminate the pasture grasses to get a good crop.
@@GrowingDeerTV Is burning in late july considered a growing season burn? If I do burn it off what would be my next steps to prepare for next yr? Maybe I could do a spring planting for summer release then?
@@GrowingDeerTV Maybe burn it and spray it next spring, then figure something out from there?
@@GrowingDeerTV burn it, seed it cultipack it? Something like that
When was the rye planted ?
About 60 days before the first frost of the fall.
What's the minimum size tractor needed for crimper?
Depends on the size of the crimper.
Like Brett says the crimper size matters but crimps are very light - maybe 25% of a good quality no till drill that's the same width of the crimper.
Have you ever hit fawns while seeding or crimping.
Ben - We have not, but it likely happens. Farmers have been hitting fawns while haying, combining, etc., for decades and the deer herd is still increasing. Farming will never take much of a toll on deer numbers. Vehicle accidents take a huge toll, but still deer herds are increasing in most areas.
Thanks for your response. The main reason I am asking is because I drilled about 2 acres in pa at the end of may and hit 2 fawns. I was very frustrated. Next year, I am going to try and drill about 2 weeks earlier and see if that helps. I was also wondering if there is anything else I could do to try to prevent this. I was drilling at 2 mph, and they never moved or made a sound. I was also drilling at daylight. I do not think I will drill that early ever again. I think mid day would be better to give them time to move off the plot.
Does crimping terminate red and white clover???
Travis - not all the time. Those are perennial crops and crimping often doesn't terminate perennial crops.
I might have to just wait and burn this yr in aug and treat the soil and get it ready for nxt spring. Idk what I'm doing! LOL
Crimp when in milk stage
yes - most folks call it the "dough stage".
I wish a drill was affordable. Stupid expensive and I imagine extremely high maintenance. Great info though!
Maintenance isn't an issue, but it seems everything made out of steel and shipped cost a lot. This is true with tractors, etc.
Did we just discover crop circles??
Wouldn't you be killing fawns by crimping?
We are finished crimping this year and I never saw a fawn. I'm sure somewhere fawns, turkey nest, etc., in ag fields and get injured. However, deer populations are thriving!
I bought a rtp crimper a few years ago ive crimped at different times of year now.
Ive never rolled over a fawn but typically kick them out in may/june
Crimping is not a race go at the same speed as planting and the fawns typically have enough time to get out of the way.
If u have a loader on run it a few inches below the seed heads thats also helps spook em out before your right above em