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Do you prefer to mix on Speakers or Headphones and WHY? Share below!
Yamaha ns10m , 🎧 only for checking
@@andreirlmeier Great point.
I prefer headphones just because I dont have a treated room and enough cash to get good studio monitors. So I mix with my headphones and use my ilouds to check. I'd love to learn mixing with studio monitors first.
I think great mixing headphone will be better than speaker when you in non-standard acoustic treatment studio
@@leefchapman ns10m with subwoofer , i forgot
It's nice that someone finally made a video of these using a classic rock-inspired track. I mean, the whole modern pop/EDM/R&B/modern rock is nice and all, but classic rock is what I grew up with and what I enjoy the most. Please more of these!
Thanks ever so much!
I prefer to mix on speakers because I can open the window and let everyone in the neighborhood hear what I'm doing. Then they all gossip.
It's free press. An incredible marketing tool.
I probably shouldn't even be admitting this lol
Haha thanks ever so much for sharing
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I love using Nx when I'm traveling. I never mix with headphones at the home studio, so introducing a virtual room helps me translate much better.
Thanks Warren for a great in-depth review. Being very old school “once”there was a time that I would have never considered mixing on headphones. However, the Waves NX software changed my whole way of thinking a few years back. The NX Ocean Way and Abbey Road Room emulations changed my thoughts completely and my main go to room is the Ocean Way. I fully mix with this and then finally check the mix in my own room using my PCM speakers which I have know for many years and make the final decisions using both systems. My room is also rung out with sonar works and it all just works for me..I don’t use the head tracker because I am so used to just sitting in the sweet spot but I must try this out too…!! I am sure you did a review of the Abbey Road room which got me into this way of working so thanks for everything. So many great influences from being a PLAP lifer…The Ken Sluiter template for one !!! Many thanks Warren and Cheers, Jeff
Thanks Warren for showcasing this and also for the great quality audio with and without the plug-in. I’ve been an early adopter of this kind of tech and absolutely love it and rely on it. When mixing on headphones, my mixes translate so much better using either slate vsx or I also like the NX CLA and Abbey Road (which I use mainly for surround film score mixing). Excited to try this new one! I used to struggle especially with kick drums and snares on headphones but these room emulations help me somehow feel the sound in my body which is what I rely on with speakers - psychological of course but it works for me!
Love that Waves continue to update Nx.
Headphones are SO convenient for everybody these days. There are more situations when headphones are needed than speakers but speakers will always get me because I feel that the music needs to physically move me and for me to feel it in my body. Not just in my ears.
I always check my mixes on different sources and this will give me some more options... appreciate this.
Right. A great way to see this.
Literally bought this while watching. Thanks Warren!
Very informative. Thank you from Canada!
Hi Warren, great that you have made another video on this topic. In my opinion it is always better to mix through speakers, but only if you are in an acoustically optimized room. My room was not optimally treated and I only had problems with mixing but since I use CLA NX I have no more difficulties. I mix through the speakers first and if I think that should be ok, then I go to the headphones with CLA NX to check the low end and maybe identify other problems better. Have a great weekend.
Hey, Waza! Thanks for this, It's a topic well-worth chatting out. I'm finding that, like ANY instrument, a room takes a bit of getting used-to ... so, despite having a few virtual mixrooms from Waves, I've found that I get best results by sticking to one and getting to "know it" intimately. It IS a fun gadget, and that alone adds value; however, I can comfortably state that my mixes are translating better than ever now that I've added the Nx CLA room to my workflow.
I prefer to edit on cans, and mix on speakers, but noise constraints limit how much I can do on speakers, and when. No such limits with Nx. I've found in my setup that the CLA NS10+woofer matches my system sound pretty well, so I tend to balance on that setting. and it's always telling to chuck the mix up on the CLA ghecko-blaster for a good comparison when balancing! Great stuff!
Keep up the great work!
I think if you are struggling to get your mixes to translate, then this tech could help you on your way, for sure, to find the right environment to mix in. Also using this to enhance your own well know environment could maybe help the mixer get a different perspective. Great stuff. Thanks for the video
the Waves' Nx Germano Studios New York plugin, also works perfectly for radio jingles.
I use this plugin for mastering, to get a perfect radio jingle and I am happy with it
This was a very useful review!
When my children became old enough to start listening to music, after asking them a few times to listen to it on speakers so that we could all hear it, I noticed that they were reluctant and uncomfortable. They told me "Dad, it's gross!, why would you want others to hear the music that you are listening to?". My thinking has been that, if headphones are the primary way of listening for a majority of my audience, then it makes sense making music that mainly sounds good on headphones, and I have been mixing and mastering on headphones.
Recently I decided to try Nx. Warren, I completely agree with what you're saying that it does feel more relaxing. It's probably not an issue if I'm listening on headphones for an hour, but it is clearly more pleasant if I'm working on a project and end up many hours without taking the headphones off. I stil think it's paramount making decisions so that the result sounds good on headphones, but it shouldn't hurt using Nx most of the time, for my own comfort, and for having a reference for how things sound like on speakers, and then switching to direct to headphones for the final adjustments.
I'm using nx Germano with my ATH-M40x headphones without using the Headphone EQ feature, the sensation of being in a nice mixing room is very realistic. Thank you Warren for this nice review.
the best way to watch this video and listen its on your studio monitors its like watching a football (soccer)
Have the technology, but haven't set it up yet. Looking forward to it.
This plugin is serious...my mixes sound very professional before I purchased it. Now my mixes sound 5x professionally now. This is the catch 22 tho to achieve the best results....You must already have a professional quality setup to really understand and hear a difference....I use monitors and headphones. I reference through 4 different speakers inwhich the imaging is perfect for mixing and mastering. You can use a nice pair of monitirs and make magic with this plugin. Optimize your setup and watch how this plugin works. You go need some experience mixing as well but that will come with time if you really want to be good at it. Great video! and solid plugin!. MUST BUY!!
I recently bought the Germano and Ocean Way NX plugins. I prefer the Ocean Way for my 7506s, but I'm still "learning my room". I've accidentally bounced with the NX engaged, and found out that's it's for headphone referencing only. But it does make a big difference in how you gauge your finished product. Thanks for the video, Warren!
Bro you do great reviews. I watch you all the time.. I think I like this particular one.. Salute Peaceeeeeee
I mix mostly on headphones without any room technology. I will also reference on my studio speakers. I also know my room really well.
I have used the CLA NX and found it super bass heavy regardless of which speakers I used. I couldn't care for the head tracking.
In the end I found the NX stuff more of a distraction than of any real benefit.
As you say it is mostly preference. I find the Ik multimedia Sunset Sound Studios rooms really good.
I used your trick from a previous video of using pre delay to place the instruments in difference places in the same room for a live feel.
It's whatever works for you. Really dig all you do on behalf of the community.
I use the Ocean Way NX and then check on my monitors. I have a presonus eris 4.5 which are basically posh 'boombox' monitors and some really old KRK monitors, so I switch between to check through the mixes. I always have a problem with low end but the Ocean Way NX is great for fixing that. It also means I can mix without annoying my neighbours or partner lol!
Thanks ever so much for sharing Philip!
Super interesting with the verb thing... just yesterday I "again" discovered that mixing in the box on headphones had made me put to much verb on drums, and the minute I heard it in my car I noticed it!.. so if this software can help me discover this earlier, then WOW I am fan!
Wonderful review
I produce electronic dance music and so I use a lot of samples... One thing I have noticed off the bat with NX germano is that it's night and day easier to tell the difference between a decent sounding kick and a shit one.... And it's far far easier to balance a mix... It translates far far better... It gets me 80% there... It's the balance that I can get that helps me most of all... It's 100% not snake oil... Normally it'd be countless trips to the car, exporting to soundcloud etc... Now I can get it pretty much there within 2/3 mixes... Best money I have ever spent on music production in my life....
I use:
Audient ID44
Austrian Audio hi-x 65
NX germano
That will get you close enough to send it off to mastering if you're making electronic dance music....
That's good when you need to hear and fix the mix on different sources like car speakers, home speakers and now with this plugin on pro studio environment
Yes! I am digging this series of plugs from waves. I mixed our most recent record using the NX Ocean way plugins and it maybe the best mix I've done in a long time. Biggest downside for me is I have several pairs of AKG K series headphones and none are the K-702's. K240mk2's, K240df's & K271's. So I just select -None- and hope that I'm still getting an honest sound. But I am happy with the 1st mix that I've done using this software.
I guess you could try sonarworks together with waves nx … select eq none in nx and put sonarworks plugin with your headphone profile after nx plugin … should do the job.
@@saskog8455Hmmm... I've never actually considered sonarworks. Guess I might take a look at it to see if it might be something that will work for me. I may just buy me another set of headphones. I have been looking at the 7506's & 880s anyway. Think I may just grab 1 of those.
I don't mix on headphones but once in a while every mix I would spend a couple of hours using headphones then I will switch to speakers and most of the changes I made on headphones with a little bit of tweaking will still make sense
Very interesting. Certainly sparked a lot of thoughts. I definitely noticed that the bypass seemed flatter, both in Eq, but also in "depth". Like, even though all tracks were properly mixed, they all seemed "up front", whereas, when you enabled the software, a certain "Depth" as well as colorization occurred. Not sure if this kind of software is GOOD, or BAD. Maybe, just DIFFERENT. I think, just like a lot of OTHER pieces of technology that some raved about in the past, we'll see, over time, if this particular one holds up. Afterall, there once was a strong camp for some of the earlier hardware amp emulators, that now elicit eye rolls.
Such useful advice! TY, Sir Warren! This helps me understand monitoring.
Makes me wonder if I should get this just for the sake of getting an idea of what it would be like to mix in famous rooms that most of us will never get to mix in.
That being said, the list of famous rooms available to emulate are endless. On the New York side of things there's Electric Lady, Avatar (aka Power Station), and Sear. Maybe waves can emulate these next. Unfortunately, most of the great famous New York recording studios are long gone. 😢 The same applies to London, L.A., Nashville, Memphis, and Chicago. 😭
There is some hope though: Hitsville still exists in Detroit. Even if it is a museum now, the room is still the same. Maybe we can all "team up" and get Waves to go there and make it happen. 😇
Thanks for that. Got into the AR version a couple month ago on the road because of your other vids. Thank you!
As a beginner, a guy with a "vision" and a bunch of plugins, who by the covid break is mixing His own band live recordings, I must do it different way.
I mix on two kind of headphones. One is more guitar oriented which is a vox headphones and then like to go to earbuds with the same (by accident) parameters as this CLA boombox has - they are small studio in ears.
Then I can go to my average speakers next to my LCD monitor and then go to the big ones on the cupboards and those emulate old 90's vibe HI-FI's.
When I went with my mix to my friends professional studio/speakers with NS-10s I was surprised how much things I did right at my amateur level of mix. OF COURSE I won't recommend this method TO ANYONE but it's better to try and learn then doing nothing.
About a headphones Warren: Earbuds, even that great had a tendency for me to show me more vocals that they have and way to much reverb that in reality is really in the mix.
BTW: Maybe one day You would do a HONEST comparison between NS-10's and CLA-10s? You cound give an honest opinion on how close they are or is it still worth to chase NS-10's on reverb or buy CLA's OR learn on just other speakers.
Once again thanks for free advice!
ps. My first professional headphones/speakers will be those LOLA's headphones that You've recommended. Next "free" paycheck/lottery win will be on them!
Have hand long periods working both ways. Have come to the conclusion that I’m more likely to make rhythm section mistakes in headphones but get better end results with electronic and ambient music in headphones.
Warren, thanks again for a very helpful video. I've purchased the Germano NX as well and have been playing around with it. Would I be correct in thinking that listening to classic reference tracks with headphones and the NX would be a good way to train my ears to what the engineer heard when mixing those tracks? I've always struggled with confidence in what I am hearing is an accurate comparison to a good 'room'. I appreciate any thoughts on reference listening with NX. Thanks!
THanks for your insights. Such an interesting application of acoustic modelling. Besides room simulation, there is speaker emulation and even headphone compensation going on at the same time. Is this processor intensive? I think positional audio together with (simulated) high end quality audio will work extremely well in combination with VR. I wonder if the guys from DearVR can do roomsimulation as well.
Hey! Great video!
Just one question, for you, which shoul I pick up between NX Virtual Studios and DEARVR Monitor?
Which is the best for you?
Wow...very interesting software...great video..💯👍
I do prefer using sonarworks sound id for the headphone correction than the waves one. It just sounds better to my ears. I am using sennheiser hd 800 for the waves NX and get way deeper low end using sonarworks. That’s just my twopence!
That mix sounds really great!
Didn't you get a set of Genelec Ones?
Are you running headphones through audio interface or through headphone jack on the computer?
would be interesting to compare your NS10 emulated mix to a mixing decision with real NS10… etc
Hi Warren i need to buy new headphones for recording mixing. The choice is Sony 7506 or sennheiser HD280pro. What would you go with? Or anything else in that price range. That is a great track that is in this demonstration. Is that your creation, playing and singing? It sounds fantastic.
I cut my teeth on traditional monitors and all tube gear in a pro audio environment. NS-10 M's and NS-10S's with a piece of tissue hanging over the tweeter.(remember that silliness) So I'm used to hearing them as an option. I recently got a copy of the Abbey Road plugin and love the idea of A-B ing different control rooms.vs my JBL's and my near fields.
What an amazing technology!
But something seams to trick my mind with that 3 dimentional sounding. The snare is kind of phasing. I have the same impression with the vocal.
May be i need to hear a lot of reference mix to find my marks.
I think that a DIM button (like -15dB) is missing. I often use it to take some decisions because the human ear is affected by the level.
A Mono button too.
Thank you so much mister Huart for this review.
Best regards from France
I think what many of us out here need is a similiar plug-in but one that emulates the compression algorithms of todays popular streaming sites.
There is one called streamliner by the brand ADTPR and is sold by plugin alliance
quick question easy question do you leave it on after it is mixed in the master ?
that isn to clear
many others could be wondering to
warmly Johannes New Zealand
appreciate your videos Warren
I’d rather mix on a pair of $300 headphones (with or without this software), than $3000 monitors in an UN-TREATED room!
I've heard most producer peops on youtube say that it is hard to mix and master on just headphones. They talk about taking it to your car, listening to it on your phone's speaker, etc etc...all sounds good...except, I'm not allowed to put any acoustic treatment as it is traditionally done on my walls. :( So, a plugin like this I would think is a very good supplementation. I'm very new to recording and trying to absorb all I can. As far as the ambience and verb goes, I would think it being practically set to zero would be best, so you hear more clearer what the mix is doing and then use it to check what it would do in a room situation as opposed to mixing/mastering in one room and the acoustics being something totally different where it is played...? Idk.
Ive done a lot of work at the Hit factory, 676 Broadway, nyc
Can you find a setting on the Ambience control that MATCHES the Room you were in ? If so you would not want to be adding reverbs.
Here's my perspective on it. It's not so much about how faithfully it recreates the room sound. That's kinda like CGI where it looks great when the movie comes out but looks dated in a few years.
What I'm more interested in is the EQ compensation for different headphones. How well does it "Flatten the curve" so to speak so that you aren't making a mix that sounds great in your headphones but sounds like garbage in other environments/other headphones etc.
I personally love using both, I love the energy from using studio monitors, actually feeling the sub bass is quite a unique thing. But the room does influence the sound a bit. That’s why I also love using headphones to check how it sounds without room ambience but like you said sometimes you can over compensate using effects like delays and reverbs because the sound is pushed right up against your ears with zero room ambience so it’s hard to tell. The best thing is to use a spectrum Analyzer to make sure your mix plays well across different listening platforms/sound systems.
Be-careful not to (overly of course) mix with just your eyes!
When I started it's all I did because I didn't trust my room, headphones or ears.
After upgrading the former 2, what my eyes wanted and ears enjoyed actually differed more.
I would love to see/hear you mix a full song only using the NX setup (no studio speaker) have it mastered and see how you do 'all in the box'!
Excellent demo/video… Since the majority of people now listen to music on headphones shouldn’t headphones be used more frequently to mix?
I completely agree. Just make sure to have great, preferably flat sounding, headphones. See my other comments.
No, because your mix needs to translate to everything. If you just mix on headphones, they'll translate to headphones and sound like ass on everything else.
@@JTguitarlessons not true... AT ALL
Hi Warren, since you have it all :) and testet all of them, which one should I buy than, cause I don't think it makes sense to play with different rooms
so... Abbey Road, CLA, Germano or the Nashville one? honest opinion please!
cheers and happy Easter
I sat in Abbey Road with the headphones and compared them to the actual room and it was incredible! Those are the only ones I can say sound exactly like the room! I’m sure the others are amazing, however, I can 100% stand behind the Abbey Road emulation
Hi Warren, when you were moving around you said that sound remained in one place, just for the record, not in my headphones that I'm listening to you on. The sound was sweeping far left and far right and behind..... so why would it pan in my phones?.. and by the way I'm using SonyV6's, the predecessor of the 7506, I've had many pairs over the years since 88, solid fan, my son just bought me my 1st pair of 7506 for my birthday.... I await the knock on the door....YES!!!
What you think about Fostex 6301B small monitors? I found to buy them cheap. Do they can do auratones job?
I need a little guidance pls. Is the goal to listen to the NS10's and get the ears accustomed then mute Germano and adjust the mix and go back & unmute the NS10's and compare and so on, backwards and forwards until you think they sound the same..... is this the way to use it? Thx
I bought that plug in this week and I dont know if I trust it.. When I use it, seams like its just adding effects to the mix bus... I do I know it is accurate with all headphones? What do you think?
This is pretty cool. my thoughts were that it definitely felt like there was a little bit of phasing happening just in general. It made the cymbals very shimmery which when bypassed didn’t have the same affect. Also it felt like (and I’m cool with being wrong) but there was a broad low mid boost that sounded like it was boosting all the way from 350hz to 700hz it was a little weird. I agree it’s a great tool for the home headphone mixer but I wonder if it can be tweaked a tiny bit. I understand there’s no perfect room and maybe those are the rooms lovely quirks… who knows lol. Thanks for the video Warren it was awesome!! I love how in depth you go with every product you review it’s very much appreciated! I hope you have a great day!!!
I generally take that as a sign that the width of the stereo image needs tweaking and use Waves Vitamin for that purpose. The Abbey Road one is really noticeable for that kind of phasing. I've run professional mixes through the plugins and the better ones don't do that. People do tend to want to blame the plugin. I did when I first got it until I realised 'hang on, why don't these pro mixes sound like crap through it?' and concluded that my mix was the problem and not the plugin. If you sort out the phasing in one NX plugin, it will sort it out pretty much in all of them with minor tweaks.
Does this work without the tracking? I do not have a camera on my computer screen.
Nice vid and thoughts . I think this plugin kan help you with ear fatigue when mixing with headphones. especially if you use the head tracking mumbojumbo :) that's was my first thought. keep up the good work. L&R from Sweden
Perhaps in the end you can also say, Nohvimos!!! (in Chilean Spanish)...
Will this actually help you get a mix that translates better if you don't have a room to mix in? I have very bad monitors and I mix with them a lot, when it sounds good on those it sounds fucking terrible everywhere else and I hate that so its a bunch of iterations with headphones and back to my shitty room. If this will help me in my situation I would love it. I mean, does it actually sound accurate?
Hi Warren! I'd love to enter the giveaway but I don't see a link to click in the description. All I see is a link that leads to winners of past giveaways. Thanks!
I've came to the conclusion (this is just myself personally so not slating the company or software) that if I can't or find that I need this I can't mix period, Barry Gordy didn't need it & looked what he achieved? So to me after all the VSTs I've bought over 10 years - this is mostly a 'Toy' & a great toy at that but a toy of the world we live in today, I may still buy it? I just don't belive it will change the results of any mix I do. Thanks for the run down Warren, great watch as always.. Love ye brother 🏆
To be fair, that's not a good comparison. This is really targeting people mixing at home that don't have great monitoring, or a treated room, or simply living somewhere where they can't blast music all day. If you take it for what it is, just something to use with headphones to give you a more realistic sense of space than headphones usually does, then it's pretty useful. It's not life changing, but it can help the balances of your mix translate from headphones to speakers better due to the perception of space and distance that headphones don't give you compared to a room
I always wonder if the headtracking is really necessary? Sure it helps with the illusion, but if you could be in the perfect listening position at all times, why wouldn't you?
I agree, it's probably to make you feel you are in a rom, which is what it does!
Okay that just freaked me out!! Warren spinning around!! Was working and listening to him talk wasn't expecting the sound to move ear to ear and around in a circle! I was like what the hell is going on!! 😂😂😂
Super interesting concept. I think the majority of home studios (which is now the majority of studios) have bad acoustics. Home recording folks like me consider $500 a lot of money for headphones, but not much for a set of powered monitors. It could make great financial sense to switch to headphones and software which can give you a big studio control room sound. I like to mix with speakers and with headphones, but I'm open to working with just headphones if it can give me better results.
I use both.
Me too!!
Great technology but I certainly don't see it is a necessity. At the end of the day who are we making music for, the consumer at home or other engineers? Perhaps I'm missing the point.
Waves with a great plug-in!
Tried the demo. I have one of the headphones in their list. Of course, there's going to be a radical difference between audio in headphones and audio reaching your ears out of speakers, but that doesn't explain the shortfalls of this simulation. I'm listening to mastered material and hearing the snare feel like it's falling away. If I were to trust this plugin, I would be scrambling to fix a snare that doesn't need to be fixed. In bass-heavy electronic music, the setting for GA-2s leaves vital bass signals unreported. The Exigy overblows all bass to a ridiculous extent, and instead leaves some mid and mid-high freqs under-done, meaning some designed sounds are missing their texture. [eta] Some sounds are actually so unbalanced within a short band that they sound like the represent a different "note" to the one that, say, the kick had. I can't imagine how this can be anything but bad for mixing.
There's not much point in asking, "Is this a convincing illusion of a room?" since that's not what the plugin says it's for. I want to see someone mix a fresh track purely with NX, strictly start to finish, and only when it's finished play it on speakers and un-Nx'ed headphones. I have a feeling that, if it was done honestly, that mix would be a horrific mess.
Could it be the actual nuances of the room itself? Warren did a test the Waves Abbey Roads studio at Abby Roads and he it was the same experience.
@@ktech4246 This pitch issue happens with lots of material with strong kick drums, and I'm hearing it on snares sometimes too (plus there's this issue of snares seeming to be in need of boosting in some cases). You could get the same effect by changing the balance of drum sounds with an EQ. That suggests two possibilities to me: 1) Germano Studios has awful room node problems and nobody should record or mix there, or 2) Waves, unhappy with the first draft of their simulation, added a string of notches to improve the illusion of a room. I'm going with #2.
I know what Warren said, but with the best intentions in the world if a giant company invites you personally to attend a prestigious studio, it is not possible to be completely objective. Also, as I was saying, listening to the simulation and assessing whether it convinces you that it sounds like a room is not the mission of the product. So that shouldn't be the test. The test should be an end to end mix, plus perhaps some analysis of the simulation by an acoustics expert to look at test tones in versus out.
What's with the red monitor speaker on the left? Lots of white the other speaker doesn't have....
I could not work with a software like this. It would mess up my hearing completely... especially depth graduation. I mix on adam s3v in a treated room and beyerdynamic dt990 250. No additional reference speakers exept for a gaming headset.
Follow your explain
a great fan of the channel, sorry but r u saying now it's possible to mix on a handphone it's a personal preference if not.
To get used to the sound of these, should I be importing my reference tracks and listening to them over and over?
Yes. It does wonders
@@FayezBundiOfficial wish I could run this through windows audio all the time!
Yeah. I used the Ocean Way one and my mixes sounded a little bass heavy with that compared to how i was used to hearing them. Then I imported some tracks from songs I like and found the bass was a little heavy too on those. But once you get used to that, then it's actually very useful for mixing the low end.
So yeah, I'd certainly spend a little time with some reference tracks, just to get a feel of things.
I have the CLA nx and a pair of Beyer DT100s. I'm not convinced by it. I think I might need different headphones. CLA nx doesn't support those cans. I'm a newbie though and don't trust my ears.
Yup.... I make predominantly house music and if you know about that sort of thing, you'll know exactly how important the kick is... Straight away, all the kicks that I used to love (but gave me no end of trouble mixing) now sound like shit... Boxy, boomy and just like trash... Using nx germano, I decided to trust it and give it a try... I picked a decent one, (to my ear) eqd, put some bass down, few chords, claps/layerd snares, hats and a bit of perc...did a basic ballance and fk me!!!!! Snares/claps now sit nice, hats don't sound harsh.. The only thing I can attribute that to is, when I am auditioning sounds now, they sound like they should... Here's another thing... When I bypass nx I suddenly realise how much even Austrian Audio hi-x 65 lie.... How do I know this? 1. When I think it sounds right I bypass and hey fkn presto.. It sounds like I'm listening to bright as shit stuff on UA-cam and 2. When listening through my hs8 monitors in my concrete untreated room, and flick between bypass and on.... There's very little difference.... That's the tell for me
Buttom line! You miss your NS10's 😀
Good sounds great sounds
The most important question is: does this make your mixes translate better?
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Thanks ever so much!
@@Producelikeapro not a problem..i respect your honest opinion..it didnt sound scripted at all! 💯
What happens to your Genelec's ??? To expensive???
Do I need special head phones?
Wouldn’t your headphones or speakers still color the final product?
Which is why you choose the most flat-sound headphones and soundsystem you can get.
You should definitely try the Slate VSX.
For me, I prefer to use Sonarworks SoundID and Goodhertz CanOpener Studio when using headphones. The thing that I don't like with studio modelling plugins, is that they usually mess with the transients (at least to my ears), and they sound weird to me. Maybe its because I listen to music and mix only on headphones, and hardly ever use speakers.
What is a 7506?
Sony headphones
I am very impressed with Waves speaker and room technology, however… Waves DRM is quite flakey and I’ve ended up no longer being able to use my own software before now.
Hey Warren, Most of us CAN afford monitors. We just can't afford a perfect room to put them in.
So the answer for MOST of us, I think is, we should probably learn to work both ways.
I will not buy any waves product because I don't like their DRM and I don't like the "WaveShell" hell, and what it does to my PC.
I overdo reverb because I'm a noob, headphones or monitors. To compensate for the tendency I have made my own impulse response based reverb and my own EQ curve which I apply to simulate An arbitrary room. Then I make sure my mix translates and sounds some way I feel is nice without it (because some people listen on headphones) and with it on (because some people listen in crappy rooms).
Have you tried Izotope's Neoverb yet? That might help :)
I can't help but wonder how these would feel wearing outside. I know I'd need to been in an "away from cars" situation to experiment in the beginning, but think it would be fun if I could somehow I mic them up to a series of lapel mics clipped around my body. It sounds fun. Kind of like listening to an ultrasound from the opposite direction. It may sound fanciful, but way before GPS was a thing everybody used, my friend had a portable walking GPS system with a really tiny satellite dish, pinned to her shoulder like a brooch. We would have to walk a little ways for it to pick up our directional coordinates but that was purely for map purposes. This would be like some of the vibrational type navigational stuff. Only more ears based with the natural sounds like I generally use anyway, just perhaps heightened. Of course the music experience would be fantastic fun without this other experiment, I just can't not think about experimenting with these.
Meanwhile I have to secure the rent before I can let myself get too carried away. I mean, I'm fine navigating without headphones, but these really seem fun.
Still waiting for the first Mastering room
I downloaded the demo, and I think it's fun but I find no practical application. Waves says to use it on the mix bus, but disable it once you have your sound before you bounce. So you're bouncing a track that sounds nothing like what you heard when the plug was on. Or?
It's for reference. You turn it off because it has specific eq and reverb and other things to replicate these famous studios.. You don't want all of that on your final track.. it's pretty much used the same way you check your mixes on car speakers or older pc speaker, phones. To make sure it transfers well.. I think it's marketed as a way to completely mix but I always use it for reference.
When I'm mixing with emulation rooms, I use different rooms for my low end. Cause u can't mix what u can't hear . But yes, in today's music world it's profitable to be able to move around
I won't lie, this is pretty cool but I'll stick to the Nx Abbey Roads and CLA Nx, I don't think I need this. Great review as always!
Hi Mob. I have the CLA NX but I'm still hesitating to shift my comfort zone mixing in a room to this software but eventually I want to get into mobile where I'm able to Mob anywhere, my question is what's the best Headphones to use? Since Warren is using the Sony, shall I go with it?
I have the CLA nx and a pair of Beyer DT100s. I'm not convinced by it. I think I might need different headphones. I'm a newbie though and don't trust my ears.
I need to say I'm still quite sceptical about these kinds of plugins. Isn't still better to mix on cheap computer speakers or using basically everything what you have around you like laptop speaker, mobile speaker to evaluate your mixes? Most of the people will listen through low-end speakers anyway. Then if you want to hear preciselywhat is happening in the mix, you can use headphones fot that. I can't see where the VR mixers / monitor simulators fit in here? It seems to me more like a toy. Firms probably realised that there is a lot of hobby producers and mixing engineers around and now they want to pull money out of their pockets for these VR mixing toys.