Yeah, the two drafts I had were great, plus I got some great cards like archivist of oghma. The people that are mad at it are the "value" collectors I think. Those that have played it seem to like it
Haven’t finished watching yet, but just wanted to thank you two. I don’t really play commander, I play pauper with my kids and cube with peers. The is overlap in card reviews between cube and commander as cube is largely singleton, but mostly to see two good friends who clearly love to play this game hash it out is familiar and entertaining. Keep it up, the two of you are GOATS
Be a little cautious with spectacular showdown depending on the board state. If your opponents have enough creatures to cause chaos but the opponents don't eliminate each other entirely, those surviving creatures with double strike counters will be coming at you after the goad stops. You could potentially be putting a clock on the game so make sure you're in position to handle it.
Damn that must be nice. The friends to share decks with part that is lol I have should say friends but only two that play magic and they don't live near me anymore sadly. Is spelltable worth trying?
@@blaze556922 Yes! I live over 700 miles away from the rest of my play group. Some nights we only have 3 players, but that doesn’t stop us from having a fun time playing edh on spelltable.
Been rocking these Ancient dragons in my 5-color papa Ur deck all week. Getting them out early will rock a pod. It's a fun "6" deck with no combo, just fun big dragon smash. Sometimes the big boys stay hidden, but so much fun.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of the ancient dragon cycle in decks that can't take advantage of them. But in the decks that can..... whoo boy. After seeing ancient brass dragon, I now have the irresistible urge to encore it with araumi, get an insane amount of stuff from graveyards onto the field, and win the game next turn!
I know reprints weren't part of the list, but the card that has my attention the most is Bramble Sovereign! I love the effect and the way you can get great value for yourself or sorta-group-hug other people in the name of helping them destroy each other (and hopefully not you). Plus, in the new art it's cradling a cute little tree bark bunny!
Note on Delayed Blast Fireball. The way it's templated you do not need to foretell it for the 5 damage. It cares if it's cast from exile. So if you say impulse draw it for the 3 mana, you can get the 5 damage mode! Card is nuts.
They dislike Phyrexian Arena a lot on the basis that its so slow as card draw. They mentioned that they thought Black Market was very greedy and drains too fast but I disagree tbh. . 3 Life for a card and a mana every single turn is great, and the changeling is really good for certain archetypes. Goes in so many black decks, especially the grindy ones. Great, versatile, usable, modal card imo.
@@NitpickingNerds i agree if we are talking about it being a staple, but it works wonders in any deck where it synergises - any tribal decks that want the changelings, any treasure decks that get extra value, any decks looking to grind value and win using bolas’ citadel, lifegain decks etc etc . The floor for the card is so low, at its absolute worst its a card and a mana each turn regardless of the lifeloss, and if it synergises… ooh boy
The dragon circle: -Play a 6-7 drops -Does nothing when it enters -Needs to wait a whole turn cycle -Does nothing when it attacks, since it needs to connect on a player with no flying blockers -Pray for a good roll
Love the video! Sorry to be nitpicking but 9:00 I would have to say the statement "expect about 10" is misleading. Even though the average of multiple D20 rolls is 10.5, each single roll still has a range/variance of 1-20, so your rolls are NOT more likely to be 10 or 11, they will simply average to that amount over time. For example, you roll a 1 the first time, and a 20 the second time, sure your average is 10.5 but both of your rolls were far from that number. Do not expect that you are going to roll 10 and 11 more often than other numbers.
@@starmanda88 several people are wrong. Are you saying 10 and 11 are more likely to come up than other numbers? You may have noticed that comment on MTG goldfish also got several likes. I'm only pointing out statistics.
@@starmanda88 I am talking about probability, and the reason I'm doing this is because averages don't make any difference when it comes to individual rolls. When Beezy says "expect about 10," he is implying that it does. If he said "expect for your rolls over time to average to 10" okay sure. But the way he is saying it makes it sound like the probability of an individual roll will most likely be 10 or 11 and that's not true.
Ancient brass dragon in reanimator is just broken. Play 4 in a deck and get them in your graveyard. Roll a 7 or more to get up to 4 in play and roll a d20 up to 4 times bringing all your big graveyard reanimator creatures in play.. it's just so sick
Currently trying to decide if Reckless Endeavor or Blood Money is better in my Juri treasures deck. Reckless Endeavor makes untapped treasures but doesn’t guarantee a wrath, and Blood Money will definitely destroy everything but takes away the whole turn. Tough call!
Storm of Souls will still get you bombs like Consecrated Sphinx, the Preators, Nezahal, and so many expensive cost stuff for just cheaper. Acend from Avernus is good for planeswalkers but between the two it just depends on the deck and how it's built.
I'd like to make a shout-out to Green Slime and Monster Manual. Green Slime is a counter spell in green that can stop an infinite combo in it's tracks!!!
Ancient brass dragon is absolutely cracked in Sedris traitor king, you reanimate it for 3 mana and give it haste, only to get on average 10 mana worth from any yard, so even when yours isn't too appealing you have more options
My jhoira deck greatly appreciates the contribution displacer kitten will make. It's literally just an easier way to do infinite combos I was already going to do lol
Really, no Black Market Connections? That card is amazing and versatile! It is card draw and ramp. That also helps with board and great for tribal decks. Three life to get a treasure and draw a card is amazing. This should be in the top 5 for sure.
Great list my guys! I'm probably more excited for this set than anyone else I know. Can you tell me what Bothersome Quasit doing in the art? It looks like it's giving the cat milk or something but the fact I can't tell is... wait for it... Bothersome.
I’m waiting to see how the white “search does this” creatures play out. To me they have a suspend flavour. You cast it and then 3 turns later people start searching and you get your benefit. Imagine if nights whisper was draw 1 then suspend 2. Would this card be played? Maybe I just like control over my cards and when they do their thing.
goad every creature (even yours, because it says every creature), so you do not want spectacular showdown in decks that don't want their creatures to attack. I would put this in my gruul Raggadragga deck, because every creature in the deck has a mana ability so it will be huge anyway, blood money + amulet of vigor and we are off to the races. delayed blast fireball actually commands a high release price of over 7 € here in Europe, the copper dragon is insane, 25-30 €. number 2 on this list also costs a fortune
Surprised you don't have the white dragon on here. The fact that all the tokens you create are DRAGONS is what really pushes this one over the edge. Not only do you have the quick and easy "if you have Dragon Tempest or Scourge of Valkas out, you only need to roll a 10 to instantly win, and that's assuming you have no other dragons" combo that everybody's talking about, but there's a plethora of other cards that care about dragons ETBing or the number of dragons you control. Yeah, the red one fits in more decks, but even for the red and black ones you generally aren't going to run them if you don't care about dragons, and once you DO care about dragons, the white one wins hands down. And to top it all off, it's still fairly good if you only care about tokens, and don't care about dragons or fairies. (Oh yeah, did I mention this is ALSO crazy in fairy tribal?) I suppose I can see the argument for the red dragon, (cheaper, and in the haste and treasure color) even though I personally feel the white one is better, but there's really no comparison between the white dragon and the black dragon. The floor is that black dragon can whiff, while the white one always gives value, and the ceiling is that the white one can easily win you the game, while the black one gives you crazy value that may or may not win. The 7/10 stat line also makes it a lot more likely that it will survive its attempt to swing in, if the defender has some flash creature or combat trick.
i think the red dragon is gonna be a staple in any deck that can reliably give haste. i agree that the black one isn't super strong, but the white one needing both a dragon payoff and a haste enabler makes it narrow enough that i'm not surprised it wasn't included.
@@sophieharris4448 That's the thing, though; it doesn't necessarilly need a dragon payoff. It needs a dragon payoff, OR a fairy payoff, OR a general token/go-wide payoff. It's just that dragon payoffs are the easiest ones to win with, and the most likely to be in a deck that wants any of these guys.
One card that should be mentioned is Abdel Adrian, Gorion's Ward. Not an impressive card as a 5 mana 4/4 that o-rings your stuff for some soldier tokens. But, pair him with an animate dead effect and you got an infinite combo that at worst makes infinite 1/1 soldiers. Basically he's a second worldgorger dragon in white.
i think that deep gnome terramancer is so powerful could maybe even see cedh play. there are slower white midrange decks and this card for 2 mana gets you easily 2 lands out thanks to cedh waning extremely consistent mana bases but also a lot of colors leading to as many fetches as you can play. this could of cause just be bias as it feels like you'Re always fetching out lands but in reality you simply don't pay attention to all the times someone simply puts out a non fetch.
Mox Field Guess: Video is 23:29 Ill guess in the middle after what I would hope is #5 so the 11:64 mark!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edit: I was wrong also put 11:64 and didnt think about mins so it would have been 12:04 but still was wrong 🤣😂 I’m an idiot
Been thinking about making a rakdos treasure+goad/fair magic deck, something lower power to combat ramp/draw/stompy. Not sure how it will play but both seem like pushed mechanics
It’s not gonna go well, ramp draw stompy is the best build style as long as it’s got combo and synergy included. The 5 pieces of magic exodus, ramp, draw, stomp, combo, synergy
@@mtgtinfoilthaumaturge1102 my thoughts were goad counters the stompy and there are punishers for draw and ramp in red and black. I'm more worried about how painful it will be to play against to be honest.
Delayed blast fireball for my obosh deck as a finisher. Edit: displacer kitten is the best card I already opened from the prerelease kit. Never selling or trading this cute guy
Do you guys plan to do your standard rare+mythic grading video for this set, or just this top 10? You do you, I don’t make your UA-cam videos, but just wondering
Yep. Ancient Copper Dragon is so slow it ended the game on turn 4 in my Magda deck just last night. I would expect a signpost ban regarding treasures in the near future (my bet would be Dockside) as Sheldon Menery can't seem to shut up about their growing ubiquity lately.
I mean...in a Magda deck you could replace Ancient Copper Dragon with probably dozens of cards for the same result you mentioned..they are clearly talking about a typical casual game: Some land drops and hopefully a mana rock early, so for an average deck let us say this comes out on turn 5, so turn 6 you get to attack & make treasures. But yeah I wonder what WOTC will do regarding treasures :/ if they do decide to print mass producers as this, Old Nawbone & Dockside in the future, the treasures should at least come into play tapped like on Blood Money
I don’t think they added any cards that make it feel like all my decks in those colors NEED it. But a lot of my decks picked up 2-5 cards which add more variety than the exact same card all the time
surprised ancient gold dragon isnt on the list. it with a dragon tempest is going to deal a ton of damage. like an average of 10.5 dragons off the d20 round down to 10, which puts 10 dragon tempest triggers on the stack for 11 is just soooooooo much damage. great list tho.
Thats specifically for dragon decks and maybe white decks with cathars crusade but outside of those few decks it doesn't do a whole lot. Whereas reanimating and making treasures can go in every deck
Thanks for the top 10 👍 Finally got around to putting all of my decks on Moxfield. Holy smokes! It's amazing! All of my decks have improved significantly because the deck data is so much easier to analyze. The play test function is surprisingly good too and saved me from buying a few cards that weren't great fits (even though I thought they would be). Amazing tool. 💦
I like the dragons but how does Jaheira not make the list? Or gale who goes in any spell heavy deck? A lot of the background commanders seem made for the 99 of existing archetypes so ppl would have something good to do with them after they draft.
I totally wanna get Delayed Blast Fireball but I play with the same playgroup usually, so I feel l'd have to run more foretell cards so they don't know which one I have face-down lol
Wait, I thought that flickering a permanent in response to it being targeted, if it doesn't reenter the battlefield at a later phase, it will still die to targeted removal because it comes back into play before the removal resolves. Is that incorrect?
War journal entry: 6/9(nice)/22 - JOE: YOUR HAIR IS FUCKING AWESOME! IT LEGIT LOOKS GOOD, AND YOU SEEM MORE CONFIDENT. We fired our head of IT and I befriended our remaining IT person. The war is over. Now i just have to make sure to catch premier times. This is my last war journal entry. It's just regular shit-posts like everyone else now... what to do with my life now...
Black market connections is the best card in this set. Wilhelt, gisa, lathrill, prosper, slivers, n'ghathrod, and any deck running phyrexian arena are slamming this
Sure it's better than Phyrexian Arena but it's by far not a top 10 card let alone the best in the set. To be honest that awful take made me giggle. Also, I have no idea why you would prioritize it in decks with built in card advantage in the Zone. I'd much rather play any zombie in Wilhelt or any Exile synergy card in Prosper since they both draw plenty of cards as is.
Because it gives you all three things your deck wants in one package giving you great redundancy for your strategy. but sure, do it your way, get board wiped and scoop
@@NitpickingNerds yeah, I don't think you take the 6 to the dome very often, but the option is there. I think mostly you're taking 3 per turn, for about 4-5 turns. Seems fine to me.
"Best card in the set" two replies later "seems fine" lmao Additionally, and this is legitimate deckbuilding advice, playing cards that specifically don't have synergy with what you're trying to do just to not get hosed by boardwipes is not a great idea. There are definitely ways in any deck you're playing (especially black lmao) to bounce back or stop boardwipes that can still be on theme
@@NitpickingNerds strange take, it's three mediocre effects stapled together. You guys seem to love those kinds of cards. It looks to me like a 3 mana talisman that has big upside.
@@Blacklodge_Willy it's 6 mana and it's all single color. Only need red. Unlike derevi who needs creatures already and 3 color pips to cast. Copper dragon just needs it and only has red in it. It's a good combo card. Especially I you can give it haste
We are in no way being contrarian. In fact our top 3 is pretty much all cards everyone knows are good. The 6 drop spot is extremely clogged in commander. Plus we put it at number 6 from the whole set.
The haste is noteworthy, but creating 10 treasures on average rather than a one treasure with "two mana of any color" is also hard to argue against. 6/5 vs 4/4 as well for just one more mana is also noteable. I would just say have them both and let them synergize.
@@jackalvonstone250 I agree, goldspan doubling the mana you get from treasure is also really good, but unless your deck has other treasure synergy you’re going to get a lot more treasure from the copper one, I guess we’ll have to wait and see how much play they get
@@NitpickingNerds 1 less mana plus haste means you get use out of it basically 2 turns earlier which makes sense of why it’s better given how fast edh is getting
I think deep gnome is stronger but more situational than archivist thats less powerful but more likely to trigger. I think 1 land ramp is better than 1 card in the beginning of the game. Most likely you wont get more than one search a turn anyways from an opponent in a single turn. But You guys are like the few content creatures that realize how powerful Displacer kitten is.
I think in some decks you will wish it was banned. Like in tivit, kess, yarok, gyruda, yorion, and other spell slinger decks and it can protect itself! 😭.
11:33 Moxfield guess
WINNER!!!
Man Joe's hair lookin incredible in the studio lights 👌
Joe could certainly get it.
@@Peachpistol 🤨📸
You misunderstand. That's not the studio lights. That's just Joe
@@Peachpistol Finally someone said it.
Man, this set is great. The 4 drafts I've done of it and the resulting commander games have been the most fun I've had with Magic.
Yeah, the two drafts I had were great, plus I got some great cards like archivist of oghma. The people that are mad at it are the "value" collectors I think. Those that have played it seem to like it
6 Drafts in and happy with every game
Any chance a draft game will make the channel at some point?
@@imanujakku that would be awesome
I pulled the new tasha for my first draft, I lost horribly but it was hilarious along the way
Haven’t finished watching yet, but just wanted to thank you two. I don’t really play commander, I play pauper with my kids and cube with peers. The is overlap in card reviews between cube and commander as cube is largely singleton, but mostly to see two good friends who clearly love to play this game hash it out is familiar and entertaining. Keep it up, the two of you are GOATS
That was an extreme sweet and wholesome comment. We appreciate it!
Be a little cautious with spectacular showdown depending on the board state. If your opponents have enough creatures to cause chaos but the opponents don't eliminate each other entirely, those surviving creatures with double strike counters will be coming at you after the goad stops. You could potentially be putting a clock on the game so make sure you're in position to handle it.
Very true
But - if you don't die to the double strikers yourself - was the showdown really spectacular ?
Appreciate keeping the intro a reasonable volume, thanks Joe, I still feel the enthusiasm!
Working on it for the fans! Always getting better
My friends and I have been sharing our decklists with each other on moxfield. It's a lot of fun and deckbuilding is so easy now. Thanks nerds!
No problem at all Moxfield is the best!
I recently started using moxfield as well and would recommend it. I ppsted 3 decklist i finished and will be posting more soon
Damn that must be nice. The friends to share decks with part that is lol
I have should say friends but only two that play magic and they don't live near me anymore sadly. Is spelltable worth trying?
@@blaze556922 Yes! I live over 700 miles away from the rest of my play group. Some nights we only have 3 players, but that doesn’t stop us from having a fun time playing edh on spelltable.
Been rocking these Ancient dragons in my 5-color papa Ur deck all week. Getting them out early will rock a pod. It's a fun "6" deck with no combo, just fun big dragon smash. Sometimes the big boys stay hidden, but so much fun.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of the ancient dragon cycle in decks that can't take advantage of them. But in the decks that can..... whoo boy. After seeing ancient brass dragon, I now have the irresistible urge to encore it with araumi, get an insane amount of stuff from graveyards onto the field, and win the game next turn!
When they go off they really go off!
I know reprints weren't part of the list, but the card that has my attention the most is Bramble Sovereign! I love the effect and the way you can get great value for yourself or sorta-group-hug other people in the name of helping them destroy each other (and hopefully not you).
Plus, in the new art it's cradling a cute little tree bark bunny!
Oh that card is so cool and awesome!
I pulled an Ancient Brass Dragon, can’t wait to blitz it in my Henzie deck.
This is the way
I am gonna make it a ninja with umezawa
@@NitpickingNerds Spectacularly rude. I like it.
Thats actually what I'm waiting on to pull. I think they come near me tomorrow
@@NitpickingNerds Clearly this was Joe Cherry right? I know you play Umezawa and haven't heard Beezy mention him :)
Note on Delayed Blast Fireball. The way it's templated you do not need to foretell it for the 5 damage.
It cares if it's cast from exile. So if you say impulse draw it for the 3 mana, you can get the 5 damage mode! Card is nuts.
Ill add this to Evelyn & Prosper
I believe we mentioned that in the video :)
Surprised not to see Black Market Connections on here. Seems like a staple in most black decks.
Me too.
They dislike Phyrexian Arena a lot on the basis that its so slow as card draw. They mentioned that they thought Black Market was very greedy and drains too fast but I disagree tbh.
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3 Life for a card and a mana every single turn is great, and the changeling is really good for certain archetypes. Goes in so many black decks, especially the grindy ones. Great, versatile, usable, modal card imo.
Just seems like that card is slow and cost you a lot of life.
@@NitpickingNerds i agree if we are talking about it being a staple, but it works wonders in any deck where it synergises - any tribal decks that want the changelings, any treasure decks that get extra value, any decks looking to grind value and win using bolas’ citadel, lifegain decks etc etc
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The floor for the card is so low, at its absolute worst its a card and a mana each turn regardless of the lifeloss, and if it synergises… ooh boy
The dragon circle:
-Play a 6-7 drops
-Does nothing when it enters
-Needs to wait a whole turn cycle
-Does nothing when it attacks, since it needs to connect on a player with no flying blockers
-Pray for a good roll
yes...
Or just play them in henzie blitz deck, as god intended
I learned that goad in my hands makes my playgroup not have fun, but the non goad ones I love!
Love the video! Sorry to be nitpicking but 9:00 I would have to say the statement "expect about 10" is misleading. Even though the average of multiple D20 rolls is 10.5, each single roll still has a range/variance of 1-20, so your rolls are NOT more likely to be 10 or 11, they will simply average to that amount over time. For example, you roll a 1 the first time, and a 20 the second time, sure your average is 10.5 but both of your rolls were far from that number. Do not expect that you are going to roll 10 and 11 more often than other numbers.
Several people explained to you why you’re incorrect about this on the mtg goldfish video and yet you’re still spreading misinformation.
@@starmanda88 several people are wrong. Are you saying 10 and 11 are more likely to come up than other numbers? You may have noticed that comment on MTG goldfish also got several likes. I'm only pointing out statistics.
@@blackmountain1983 No. you’re arguing probability when everyone else is talking about AVERAGES.
@@starmanda88 I am talking about probability, and the reason I'm doing this is because averages don't make any difference when it comes to individual rolls. When Beezy says "expect about 10," he is implying that it does. If he said "expect for your rolls over time to average to 10" okay sure. But the way he is saying it makes it sound like the probability of an individual roll will most likely be 10 or 11 and that's not true.
The average roll is 10.5. That is just true. We mention many times in this video that you are taking a risk and can get bad rolls.
Ancient brass dragon in reanimator is just broken. Play 4 in a deck and get them in your graveyard. Roll a 7 or more to get up to 4 in play and roll a d20 up to 4 times bringing all your big graveyard reanimator creatures in play.. it's just so sick
Currently trying to decide if Reckless Endeavor or Blood Money is better in my Juri treasures deck. Reckless Endeavor makes untapped treasures but doesn’t guarantee a wrath, and Blood Money will definitely destroy everything but takes away the whole turn. Tough call!
It is a tough call honestly maybe play both lol
Joe, you are looking fly. And the shirt goes amazing with your hair!
Fun vid, glad it was in my feed, I subscribed.
Aww thanks glad to have you here
Thanks! It is my birthday, turning 50 year old today :) Love your content :)
I think you missed black market connections. 3 Life for a card and a treasure seems good every turn. Also just 1 black pip
100%. It should be in the top 5 or maybe even the top 3.
Thank you Beezy and Joe for putting my name back on the patreons card. Much appreciated, also Joe absolutely rocking that hair lad 🤙
Storm of Souls will still get you bombs like Consecrated Sphinx, the Preators, Nezahal, and so many expensive cost stuff for just cheaper. Acend from Avernus is good for planeswalkers but between the two it just depends on the deck and how it's built.
Both have upsides for sure
I'd like to make a shout-out to Green Slime and Monster Manual. Green Slime is a counter spell in green that can stop an infinite combo in it's tracks!!!
This... I ordered one for my ooze deck and a few spares for random green decks, this seems like it should be a staple in green decks
I think that card is just bad honestly
@@NitpickingNerds Jeez why do you gotta be soooo nitpicky? Ugh!
Your top 3 are my favorite 3 cards in exact order. The Cat is easily my favorite card of the set. I wanna build Rasputin now.
Bothersome quasit with Veyran seems really good!
What do you think of battle Angels of tyr? I’m excited for that for giada especially. Wonder how it’s perceived overall
We talk about it in tomorrow's video
Ancient brass dragon is absolutely cracked in Sedris traitor king, you reanimate it for 3 mana and give it haste, only to get on average 10 mana worth from any yard, so even when yours isn't too appealing you have more options
It is good for sure in the right deck
Saw both of those dragons instantly thought of Kaalia decks throwing those out turn 2-3.
I also love that you can literally flicker plainswalker with displacer kitten
Such a weird interaction
@@NitpickingNerds it really is but it leads to so many fun shinanigans
love that joe dyed his hair purple foreshadowing that moxfield ad
lol that is why I did it
My jhoira deck greatly appreciates the contribution displacer kitten will make. It's literally just an easier way to do infinite combos I was already going to do lol
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ewwww
@@NitpickingNerds Et tu, nerds?
@@andrewroy9263 well stop being all powerful lol 😝
It is probably best in Aminatou, queen of flicker. That's going to be fun.
Really, no Black Market Connections? That card is amazing and versatile! It is card draw and ramp. That also helps with board and great for tribal decks. Three life to get a treasure and draw a card is amazing. This should be in the top 5 for sure.
Great list my guys! I'm probably more excited for this set than anyone else I know. Can you tell me what Bothersome Quasit doing in the art? It looks like it's giving the cat milk or something but the fact I can't tell is... wait for it... Bothersome.
It is trying to get the cat to jump on the table.
16:46 moxfield ad???
Edit: darn
Not even close :P
I’m waiting to see how the white “search does this” creatures play out. To me they have a suspend flavour. You cast it and then 3 turns later people start searching and you get your benefit. Imagine if nights whisper was draw 1 then suspend 2. Would this card be played? Maybe I just like control over my cards and when they do their thing.
Well a big difference is that this a creature and because of that it has a lot more way to take advantage of it.
@@NitpickingNerds Fair point. Makes them even more exciting to see how they turn out.
goad every creature (even yours, because it says every creature), so you do not want spectacular showdown in decks that don't want their creatures to attack. I would put this in my gruul Raggadragga deck, because every creature in the deck has a mana ability so it will be huge anyway, blood money + amulet of vigor and we are off to the races. delayed blast fireball actually commands a high release price of over 7 € here in Europe, the copper dragon is insane, 25-30 €. number 2 on this list also costs a fortune
Ancient Brass is gonna be hilarious in my Araumi deck 😁
Well Displacer Kitten was 4.50 and now it's currently 20+. I hope it goes down as more packs are opened....
Surprised you don't have the white dragon on here. The fact that all the tokens you create are DRAGONS is what really pushes this one over the edge. Not only do you have the quick and easy "if you have Dragon Tempest or Scourge of Valkas out, you only need to roll a 10 to instantly win, and that's assuming you have no other dragons" combo that everybody's talking about, but there's a plethora of other cards that care about dragons ETBing or the number of dragons you control. Yeah, the red one fits in more decks, but even for the red and black ones you generally aren't going to run them if you don't care about dragons, and once you DO care about dragons, the white one wins hands down. And to top it all off, it's still fairly good if you only care about tokens, and don't care about dragons or fairies. (Oh yeah, did I mention this is ALSO crazy in fairy tribal?)
I suppose I can see the argument for the red dragon, (cheaper, and in the haste and treasure color) even though I personally feel the white one is better, but there's really no comparison between the white dragon and the black dragon. The floor is that black dragon can whiff, while the white one always gives value, and the ceiling is that the white one can easily win you the game, while the black one gives you crazy value that may or may not win. The 7/10 stat line also makes it a lot more likely that it will survive its attempt to swing in, if the defender has some flash creature or combat trick.
the white one also becomes the red & the blue one combined with kindred discovery and Ganax! xD
i think the red dragon is gonna be a staple in any deck that can reliably give haste. i agree that the black one isn't super strong, but the white one needing both a dragon payoff and a haste enabler makes it narrow enough that i'm not surprised it wasn't included.
@@MitFruchtSaft and the mana costs. The red dragon mana rock is slow, but gives a cheap haste enabling ramp
@@sophieharris4448 That's the thing, though; it doesn't necessarilly need a dragon payoff. It needs a dragon payoff, OR a fairy payoff, OR a general token/go-wide payoff. It's just that dragon payoffs are the easiest ones to win with, and the most likely to be in a deck that wants any of these guys.
The Red one Combos with any of the extra combat steps stuff.
Nice hair color, now beezy go orange hair to match the neon sign!
Maybe some day
One card that should be mentioned is Abdel Adrian, Gorion's Ward. Not an impressive card as a 5 mana 4/4 that o-rings your stuff for some soldier tokens.
But, pair him with an animate dead effect and you got an infinite combo that at worst makes infinite 1/1 soldiers. Basically he's a second worldgorger dragon in white.
Yeah that card is weirdly strong!
@@NitpickingNerds t1 entomb Abdel. T2 animate dead. t3 swing out and win.
Storm king’s thunder looks like an insane card for spellslinger decks. That’s one that personally intrigued me
It is cute but we don't think it is very strong
@@NitpickingNerds i just pray you don’t have to suffer from getting 9 copies of torment of hailfire where X = 18 in your lifetime
Love your videos guys! Keep it up!
Love your comments :)
i think that deep gnome terramancer is so powerful could maybe even see cedh play. there are slower white midrange decks and this card for 2 mana gets you easily 2 lands out thanks to cedh waning extremely consistent mana bases but also a lot of colors leading to as many fetches as you can play. this could of cause just be bias as it feels like you'Re always fetching out lands but in reality you simply don't pay attention to all the times someone simply puts out a non fetch.
I feel like people fetch like 10 times a game lol
The gnome terromancer is a card that gets better the higher power the table is. In low-mid power games, it'll often be kind of a dead card imo
Mox Field Guess:
Video is 23:29 Ill guess in the middle after what I would hope is #5 so the 11:64 mark!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: I was wrong also put 11:64 and didnt think about mins so it would have been 12:04 but still was wrong 🤣😂 I’m an idiot
close but no cigar!
First one here!
Congrats on the great daily content
Been thinking about making a rakdos treasure+goad/fair magic deck, something lower power to combat ramp/draw/stompy. Not sure how it will play but both seem like pushed mechanics
It’s not gonna go well, ramp draw stompy is the best build style as long as it’s got combo and synergy included. The 5 pieces of magic exodus, ramp, draw, stomp, combo, synergy
@@mtgtinfoilthaumaturge1102 my thoughts were goad counters the stompy and there are punishers for draw and ramp in red and black. I'm more worried about how painful it will be to play against to be honest.
That is a lot of things but I like it!
I pulled a displacer kitty in prerelease and I pulled neera as commander and so I had this pseudo storm deck that was fun as hell
Seems a little strong!
Delayed blast fireball for my obosh deck as a finisher.
Edit: displacer kitten is the best card I already opened from the prerelease kit. Never selling or trading this cute guy
It is cute and stronk!
4:50 I prefer reckless endeavor!
7:53 Nethroi apex of death!
Do you guys plan to do your standard rare+mythic grading video for this set, or just this top 10? You do you, I don’t make your UA-cam videos, but just wondering
I'm pretty sure, I saw them do that. They called it Squandered Ressources
We very well might!
I've done 2 draft... both a blast... next stop VEGAS for COMMANDFEST!
Hope you have a great time at command fest!
My LGS had the precons for $48.
That is a pretty good price
the video we`ve been waiting for
It is here for you!
I love these list. Let's go top 10
Hey Wakefield
Solid video boys
Yep. Ancient Copper Dragon is so slow it ended the game on turn 4 in my Magda deck just last night. I would expect a signpost ban regarding treasures in the near future (my bet would be Dockside) as Sheldon Menery can't seem to shut up about their growing ubiquity lately.
Dragons are slow. If you can give them haste, nobody has fliers and/or removal then it goes BRRRR... it is a good FAIR beater.
I mean...in a Magda deck you could replace Ancient Copper Dragon with probably dozens of cards for the same result you mentioned..they are clearly talking about a typical casual game: Some land drops and hopefully a mana rock early, so for an average deck let us say this comes out on turn 5, so turn 6 you get to attack & make treasures.
But yeah I wonder what WOTC will do regarding treasures :/ if they do decide to print mass producers as this, Old Nawbone & Dockside in the future, the treasures should at least come into play tapped like on Blood Money
It is a slow card for sure it is a 6 drop that doesn't have haste.
@@NitpickingNerds yeah there just much better staples you can get for that price $
Cherries looks good, looks like he's losing weight. Way to go! Love the content
I don’t think they added any cards that make it feel like all my decks in those colors NEED it. But a lot of my decks picked up 2-5 cards which add more variety than the exact same card all the time
I feel that way with Black Market Connections. I want it in all my decks with black.
surprised ancient gold dragon isnt on the list. it with a dragon tempest is going to deal a ton of damage. like an average of 10.5 dragons off the d20 round down to 10, which puts 10 dragon tempest triggers on the stack for 11 is just soooooooo much damage. great list tho.
Thats specifically for dragon decks and maybe white decks with cathars crusade but outside of those few decks it doesn't do a whole lot. Whereas reanimating and making treasures can go in every deck
It is very niche and very slow requiring a lot of set up
Drafted Nr. 1,2 and 7 on the Prerelease😁
Great pulls!
Thanks for the top 10 👍
Finally got around to putting all of my decks on Moxfield.
Holy smokes! It's amazing!
All of my decks have improved significantly because the deck data is so much easier to analyze. The play test function is surprisingly good too and saved me from buying a few cards that weren't great fits (even though I thought they would be).
Amazing tool. 💦
You don’t think the new dragons deck is that good? And possibly modify it a bit could work?
Modifying most decks can make them good imo
16:28 for the Moxfield ad
Psssh... not even close!
I like the dragons but how does Jaheira not make the list? Or gale who goes in any spell heavy deck? A lot of the background commanders seem made for the 99 of existing archetypes so ppl would have something good to do with them after they draft.
We weren't fans of the commander though I can see how they could make other list
i'm surprised that Aboleth Spawn didn't make the list. copying ETB's is usually more powerful than goading.
It is pretty good but we need to test it
@@NitpickingNerds won't it just play out like faerie artisans? maybe not as good but the play patterns are very similar.
15:41 my moxfield guess (plus minus 10 seconds allowed?)
I totally wanna get Delayed Blast Fireball but I play with the same playgroup usually, so I feel l'd have to run more foretell cards so they don't know which one I have face-down lol
Even know it is hard to play around
Amulet of Vigor is a bad card? It seems amazing to me
I’ve never been so disappointed in a set booster box.
I am sorry to hear that
New chaos warp is pretty good
It is ok for sure
*me, foretelling delayed blast fireball
My opponents: ... "it's always willbender..."
Wait, I thought that flickering a permanent in response to it being targeted, if it doesn't reenter the battlefield at a later phase, it will still die to targeted removal because it comes back into play before the removal resolves. Is that incorrect?
It comes back into play as a new instance of itself. Once it comes back it isn't the same creature it was before.
@@kennellfrederick4367 thanks for the clarification
@@SweatyTheodore maybe you were thinking of board wipes. then the flicker is useless unless they come back in at the endstep.
@@MitFruchtSaft that could be it, for some reason I was tied up on targeted removal though but it makes sense now
War journal entry: 6/9(nice)/22 - JOE: YOUR HAIR IS FUCKING AWESOME! IT LEGIT LOOKS GOOD, AND YOU SEEM MORE CONFIDENT. We fired our head of IT and I befriended our remaining IT person. The war is over. Now i just have to make sure to catch premier times. This is my last war journal entry. It's just regular shit-posts like everyone else now... what to do with my life now...
You have survived and come out a better man on the other side! Thank you for the kind words!
These dragons are so good in Kaalia.
Purple is the best color congrats
Yea draft is killerrr. They really nailed it.
So much fun!
Black market connections is the best card in this set. Wilhelt, gisa, lathrill, prosper, slivers, n'ghathrod, and any deck running phyrexian arena are slamming this
Sure it's better than Phyrexian Arena but it's by far not a top 10 card let alone the best in the set. To be honest that awful take made me giggle.
Also, I have no idea why you would prioritize it in decks with built in card advantage in the Zone. I'd much rather play any zombie in Wilhelt or any Exile synergy card in Prosper since they both draw plenty of cards as is.
Because it gives you all three things your deck wants in one package giving you great redundancy for your strategy. but sure, do it your way, get board wiped and scoop
Getting all 3 things cost you 6 life and that is a lot. I only see this being a life gain card honestly
@@NitpickingNerds yeah, I don't think you take the 6 to the dome very often, but the option is there. I think mostly you're taking 3 per turn, for about 4-5 turns. Seems fine to me.
"Best card in the set" two replies later "seems fine" lmao
Additionally, and this is legitimate deckbuilding advice, playing cards that specifically don't have synergy with what you're trying to do just to not get hosed by boardwipes is not a great idea. There are definitely ways in any deck you're playing (especially black lmao) to bounce back or stop boardwipes that can still be on theme
has Joe dyed his hair purple? can't tell if it's just my phone screen or something lol
It's the purple from the neon sign in the background
My hair is indeed purple :)
Choadzilla!! I nominate him for the next Patreon shout-out
lol he has been mentioned before
Joe , your hair looks really cool!
Thank you so much!
Shuffle scuffle with precons from this set? Pretty please?! Also, cool hair Joe ;)
Thank you and we are working on SS but we are unable to produce fast enough to do them as the sets release
Deep Gnome Terramancer makes Field of Ruin playable now
I will still say no lol
People are sleeping on some of these cards
Got one of each Baldur's Gate precon from a shop in Oregon for $35 each 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Damn those are great prices!
Thoughts on Font of Magic?
What about Black market connections? Isnt It good in commander?
We are pretty low on the card. It is pretty slow in our opinions
@@NitpickingNerds strange take, it's three mediocre effects stapled together. You guys seem to love those kinds of cards. It looks to me like a 3 mana talisman that has big upside.
I think you guys are off on the copper dragon. It literally 2 card combos with najeela.
Agreed. Seems like they’re being slightly contrarian for the sake of views.
Also, Ancient Copper Dragon + Revel in Riches👀
Why play it in Najeela though? At seven mana you can replace it for something that plays better then a non haste creature.
@@Blacklodge_Willy it's 6 mana and it's all single color. Only need red. Unlike derevi who needs creatures already and 3 color pips to cast. Copper dragon just needs it and only has red in it. It's a good combo card. Especially I you can give it haste
We are in no way being contrarian. In fact our top 3 is pretty much all cards everyone knows are good. The 6 drop spot is extremely clogged in commander. Plus we put it at number 6 from the whole set.
Okay? Najeela already has considerably better, more mana efficient 1-2 card combos. Its a timmy card at best
I opened a baulders gate set box yesterday and pulled a Jin gitaxias core augur 😩
Powerful!
How much worse is ancient copper dragon compared to goldspan dragon? I feel like the haste stapled on to goldspan makes a huge difference
The haste is noteworthy, but creating 10 treasures on average rather than a one treasure with "two mana of any color" is also hard to argue against.
6/5 vs 4/4 as well for just one more mana is also noteable.
I would just say have them both and let them synergize.
@@jackalvonstone250 I agree, goldspan doubling the mana you get from treasure is also really good, but unless your deck has other treasure synergy you’re going to get a lot more treasure from the copper one, I guess we’ll have to wait and see how much play they get
I think Goldspan Dragon is better for sure at 1 less mana and having haste. That said the upside of Copper is there if you can hit
@@NitpickingNerds 1 less mana plus haste means you get use out of it basically 2 turns earlier which makes sense of why it’s better given how fast edh is getting
Copper dragon is usually only better if you can cheat it out
Love the hair!
Can you flicker opponents lands for the gnome?
Yea that would work
Delayed Blast Fireball + Dream Devourer in Prosper. You're welcome.
Gross lol
I like how I was going to buy 3 foils on tcg and 2 hours later they went up to 8$ after this video
Which card?
I think deep gnome is stronger but more situational than archivist thats less powerful but more likely to trigger. I think 1 land ramp is better than 1 card in the beginning of the game. Most likely you wont get more than one search a turn anyways from an opponent in a single turn.
But You guys are like the few content creatures that realize how powerful Displacer kitten is.
I almost missed it! Beezy showed me how busted it was
I think in some decks you will wish it was banned. Like in tivit, kess, yarok, gyruda, yorion, and other spell slinger decks and it can protect itself! 😭.
The kitty is super busted with teferi time raveler. With teferi you can combo and your opponents cast cast a thing.
12:34 moxfield?
Too late!
@@NitpickingNerds love ur content
Joe's hair is 🔥🔥🔥🔥.
Thank you so Mcuh!
Not top 10 material but I have yet to see any content creator mention Irenicus's Vile Duplication. Seems like it's flying way under the radar.
Not a card we are fans of tbh because of how bad you can be blown out