I just did an interview with JP Morgan and 30 minutes in they told me I’ll have to commute. I told them, “No thank you. I’ll stay at my remote job!” 100% of the time, I will take lower pay just so I don’t ever have to commute again.
Yea screw making more money and working for a fortune 500 company. Stay home with your cat and let the men travel into work. I know its scary out there.
@@effinxrightt Exactly. and remote job these days doesn’t mean lower salary. In my industry - for software engineer the salary is the same and in some cases it is more. A person working in a company in Georgia might make less money than a person who is also living in georgia but working for a company that is based in california.
Right? You save so much money and time. What good is an increase in salary if I have to lose 2-3 hours daily and take a PTO for the smallest inconvenience so then I cant take vacation?
99% of the time I was in the "office" I spent by myself in a cube staring at a screen and emailing or IMing with coworkers (often just down the hall from me). The only interaction I had with people was purely social, and had nothing do with work. Very rarely if ever did we actually meet in person to discuss work related issue. So basically, driving to work 1 hour each way was a gigantic waste of time and gas.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
@@abcdedfg8340 Sound fair! Hopefully we can make some changes, by spreading the word about what we want-even if it’s just starting with UA-cam comments.
I worked from home from March 2020- October 2021 when they made us return to the office. In January 2022 my company announced they would allow us to work from home in a more permanent basis if we wanted to do so. I’m back to working from home again and I’m so much happier.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
I miss some of the social aspects of working in an office what I don't miss is needing a business wardrobe a lunch budget gas budget catching every virus that someone's kids got at school and brought to work including my own kids I love working from home
Being able to run errands, walk the dog at lunch, not wasting 3 hours commuting every day and the ones you mentioned. And one that I don’t think was mentioned in this video: you can save many thousands of dollars every year by moving. Imagine still getting your big city salary while moving to a small town? We can’t move because my wife is only a few years away from getting her pension, but so many of my friends have moved to where they actually want to be. Miami. Arizona. Some have even moved out of the country.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
Exactly! The flexibility is nice & it’s far cheaper for both the workers & employers. Not paying as much for gas & spending commute time in the car is amazing too and part of that equation. In addition, some households might begin to question the need for a 2nd car.
I'm a business owner and I'm all for this. I would actually prefer if my employees didn't have to be around me the whole time. It's like running a daycare.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
Im glad that workers are finally demanding a better work/life balance. Profits, shareholder returns and executive compensation are not the only things that matter.
I always knew driving to work every day was stupid , even 20 yrs ago.., At the time there were no alternatives.. Been working from home for 6 yrs , its like being on vacation more or less. I could never go back... I can eat soup anytime I want , go to the bathroom, or even mow the yard.
@@Ryan2022 not true… i had a job in a cube farm where I had a co working complaining that I would use the rest room on average 3-4 times a day.. I had to deal with their passive aggressiveness… there’s a lot of strange attitudes in the office that you can avoid being home and it has helped my productivity and well being
I don’t think there is a worker shortage. But rather a lack of commitment and funds to paying people livable wages. As well as working with and not against people when it comes to flexibility, scheduling, remote work, childcare obligations, commute, cost of living, etc. These external factors have to be taken into consideration when not only hiring but retaining employees long term. Which also means a change in the culture of how many businesses operate.
I watched this video in the background at home while doing system maintenance remotely. An office building doesn't really hold the same value as it did in the 50s. It's nice to know that some companies are finally catching on.
No more shaming parents for having to balance work and family. Now, greedy employers are starting to realize they actually have to prioritize their employees needs
They will find some other way to ruin people's lives. Trust me. These people never want to see a comfortable setup for all, even if it results in greater productivity. 😶
You're insane if you really want to go back through traffic to go back to an office where companies don't care about you. You lose time, money, and increase stress for no reason. Just why? It makes zero sense.
people were working because they needed money. we are learning to complete our economy. theres gonna be backlash but the prevalent direction is power to people. chose not to be subjugated and recognize the responsibilty opportunity and liability that goes with such autonomy.
Well because top management can't cope with the idea of a comfortable more efficient work environment. They have a no pain no gain mentality. Plus, what are managers going to complain about if they can't mention tardiness because you were stuck in traffic once or twice during your performance review. 😶
The people that want to go back are insane. They’re the ones that have a horrible spouse at home or hate their home life and are probably the ones who also were the least productive in the office and held court around the water cooler.
I tell people if you don't have to work in the office I say don't.. remotely and alternative way of working is the best way and remember you'll have a lot more freedom and you'll be away from humans which is the best way to work..
Something I haven't heard about that has occurred to me is when employees work from home, the company saves a lot of money on electricity, ink, paper, etc. So that's a plus for the company and a minus for the emoployee. But I do favor the work at home.
@@one8s7n That would not hold in court. Employers are responsible for the working environment of their employees during company time, regardless of where they work from.
When personal resources are used for work the employer should compensate the employee accordingly. So it may be cheaper but a business expense will still exist. 😶
Along those same lines, my heating costs have gone up working from home. When no one is home, I keep the temperature at 62F. I try to not go crazy during the day, so I’ll set it at 65F and wear a cozy. But with all of this crazy pandemic stuff, even though my kids are in college, they’re often at home and they complain when it’s 65F. Anyway, I save over $400 every month because I no longer have to pay for my monthly train ticket and I save even more by not having to buy $18 lunches, etc. Not to mention I no longer have to spend 3 hours every day commuting, can run errands and walk the dog at lunch, so it’s a huge win overall and I’m not complaining. Just pointing out the unforeseen ways we’re spending more.
The point about zooming from the office is a very good one. At the university where I work, most of our meetings are still remote because of the ongoing pandemic yet we returned to the office most of the time. What is the point of commuting if meetings are going to be virtual anyway? It’s silly.
In my department we each have to go in once a week. (It was twice a week but they lowered it due to Omicron.) My day is Monday and that happens to be when we have our staff meetings so yes, there I am, by myself in the office while everyone else is at home. It does feel really stupid.
This is spot on! I wish I could give this interview more Likes. Tools like Office 365, Teams, etc. makes hybrid run very smoothly. We were working 1 day a week remotely before covid and many of the people we support in the field are at 100+ branch offices... so when covid happened, we transitioned to hybrid easily. We're using a 2 days office and 3 days remote model now.
That’s the best. Nobody should be in the office more than 2-3 days. It all comes down to productivity. And tbh, we should thank COVID for this push/change.
Hybrid and Remote are here to stay. Yes there is some loss to the social aspect of work... On the otherside its wonderful not having to be in a rush to commute. New Yorkers know exactly what I'm talking about lol.
Conservatively, I save $10k a year not commuting. My train ticket is over $400 a month alone. Lunches with coworkers (usually at $20 a pop). Drinks after work. Work wardrobe. And here’s a big one: if you don’t have to go into the office, why live in an expense place like New York or LA or San Francisco? You could EASILY save another $10k or more right there.
@@Ryan2022 What a keyboard tough guy! TAKE YOUR MASK AND SHOVE IT! I'm sure if you were around when polio was a thing, we'd still be struggling to get rid of it today! 😂🤣😂🤣
My workplace started off on the right foot having us go remote, and they shifted back to a bad footing with employees and declared a return to the office at the start of 2021. We had a mass exodus last year, and they then shifted back to a good place keeping people remote. Now they're talking about bringing everyone back into the office again by start of next year. That won't work for me, since I agreed to a different shift and now work later hours than most other people. It's infuriating, exhausting, and endlessly frustrating how out of touch they seem....even after 3 years of this. I don't see myself staying with them for too terribly much longer. It is a mental health thing for me. It hurts my work-life balance. They are basically saying my wellbeing doesn't matter as long as I do as they say. 🙄😮💨
I work in tech support from home now and absolutely love it. Tech support is already remote work from a call center why lease out space in a building to gather people together who are already remotely working with customers when they can just remotely work with customers from home. Was a huge waste of time, money, and resources and I would imagine it's also benefiting the company and saving them huge amounts of money every year. I already know it saves me money. I've had the same tank of gas in my car for a month now. I actually home cook more now also, much less take out and junk food.
"have a life and earn a living" - Love that phrase. We have seen the alternative and it is good. Here is to better work/life balances for generations moving forward.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
I love everyone saying working from home is hard to turn off. No it is not. Hit the power button on your computer. Done! If you have a company phone, turn it off. I've worked from home for 12 years and have never had a problem turning work off.
The one good thing to come out of the pandemic. I am now on my lunch break. I walked into the kitchen and made eggs and now I’m in my bed watching this video. I’m also wearing a t-shirt and shorts and my dog is laying next to me. It’s great!
It's easier to "Quit on a keyboard" but what was not addressed is its easier to fire over keyboard too. As we saw with the mass Zoom firing of the mortgage company.
I can imagine the managers at the commercial real estate management companies - “Back to the office everyone”! The number of office leases being discontinued must be jaw dropping.
NYT did a cool interactive on the leases at the Empire State Building - very interesting. Also, friend of mine works at a very famous insurance and securities company. They are going to have to go back in part because the company received hefty tax benefits for locating their office in a certain city and to continue to get the benefits, the company needs butts in seats.
I like the office I've had for the past two years. It has a large window, good food, a bidet, and pets are allowed! Wouldn't trade it to wake up at the ass-crack of dawn and drive 2+ hours a day just to do the same thing.
9 to 5, 5 days a week, 40h workweek. All of this is very outdated. People need a better balance between work and life. Max 4 days work, 3 days off. Work for living, not live to work!
Excellent discussion! I am all for remote work, since most of my work can be done remotely! BUT there are people taking advantage of remote work that is causing issues for us!
@@BrooklynBaby100 Did you not know the actual truth?! Many people are not actually working, while they companies allow people to work from them! Many countries actually sent people to check on remote workers, which is why many HR are adding a new addendum for remote work and some companies basically cancelled remote work!
Then fire those people. People that underperform, whether in office or remote, can be evaluated and terminated if they don't change, improve, etc. The rules are the same.
I have been a freelancer working from home for the past 12 years, welcome to my world. You're here when packages get delivered, you can step out to run errands outside of peak hours, you can take a power nap on the couch, etc. Downside is, you may start talking to your cat.
Working in the office has always been misleading in terms of efficiency. However, companies don’t know what to do with these large HQ buildings if their workers WFH! Most employees will definitely move to hybrid or fully remote companies
I can't wait until I can start working from home, but until then I'm waiter at a restaurant so we can't work from home even if we wanted to. Still had to work even through the pandemic
Everyone hates going back to the office. We already lost 30% + of staff recently since the company started asking people to go back to the office. Commute is such a waste of time and a major stress factor.
A company my dad was VP operated their office staff on 4 day weeks. You work Monday- Thursday, Tuesday - Friday or Monday,, Tuesday, Thursday, friday. Just want a need for everyone to be there. Field services and production even had lax schedule but would be on call 5 days a week. This was back in the 90's in oil and gas.
Commuting costs you time, fuel and/or parking $, tax $ if you live and work in separate cities, lowers the value of your vehicle if you use one, screws you if you need to rely on lackluster US public transit, and you have less flexibility overall when trying to balance work/life responsibilities. There are benefits to coming into the office. But the personal benefits of working remote, for most of us, are VERY hard to compete with. Commute and parking costing you $100-200 a month? Tough luck! Need to be home to feed the kids or dog, but work is running late? Tough luck! Coworker came in sick and now you are too? Tough luck! Bus was late and now your whole day's schedule is effed? Tough luck! Only 3 hours to yourself when you get home each day? Tough luck! We've made it work, it can be done, but it's far from optimal. If there's a BETTER WAY that benefits everyone, why the heck would you not do it or fight for it? We were promised technology would make our lives easier, so isn't it about time that happened?
Most American companies that operate in egypt apply mandatory 9 hour shifts with putting into consideration the time difference, so if the average american employee starts his work day at 8am, here its usually 4pm which sucks even if you work from home cuz at the end of the day this kind of schedule ruins any social plans u had in mind
For anyone who is against hybrid working, if you’re that great of a business individual why not look at this chance to see how much tech is going to be sold in order to upkeep this hybrid working and maybe invest there.
It would be foolish for anyone to be against hybrid or even 99% remote, where applicable. Professional work is no longer tethered to a physical place and time. The only people likely to have an issue are managers whom sadly have no other responsibilities. Eventually the necessity for administration overhead will have to be streamlined. The old days of adult babysitting are over. 😶
Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds for an employer. Employers have to both maintain an expensive office and have the hassle of managing employees remotely. I don't understand why any employer would favor it over 100% office work or 100% remote work.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
Great interview, what I would love to see you do is a interview with a CEO of a company that has been adamant about returning to the office and have an employee of that same company (or at least same field) counter the CEO's reasons for why remote/hybrid is a better fit for people. Also for the love of everything make sure you ask the CEO why they think every other site in the country has to act and behave like their home sites in NYC or silicone valley.
If companies can offer remote works to their workers, it’s not just benefit the workers. It benefiting the company itself and the earth( less gas pollution).
It is really hard to have good mental health with below living wage. Being underpaid for the area you have to live in . Pay enough or work and live remote.
Firstly I want to say that I'm all for remote work. I think it's a great idea for many reasons. One thing that I'm curious about though is: Since employers can hire people from anywhere, What's the motivation in hiring Americans for 120k a year if they can hire someone from Thailand who will do the work for 10k a year? There are certainly a lot of educated people who go to college in developing countries. Or, perhaps they pay them the full 120k. Also, what about people in SF who make 300k a year as a developer? A lot of those people get those high paying jobs because the cost of living is so high. If I get paid 300k, and go live in Kansas, would I still be paid the 300k instead of 50 or 60k? I know all of this is new, but I'm curious to see how it plays out.
I lost my job and to be honest - I would now reflect back saying it was the best thing that could've happened to me. I started a UA-cam Channel after before getting back to a regular full time position. I'm only sitting at 2K subs, but I have high hopes for those who sees this!
I enjoy my hybrid work schedule. I didn’t realize how much I miss seeing people until I telecommuted full-time for 2 years. Plus I get a much needed mental break from my family.
I question her numbers. On Linkedin, the work from home vs hybrid vs in-office polls I've seen, the majority of workers were for WFH, not hybrid (which really surprised me). Even at the company I work for, they asked my entire department which they prefer, and 90% said WFH. The rest were hybrid. Not one person said they wanted to go in full time 😂
I like working from home, but the flip side is that it can be quite detrimental to Downtowns and some businesses that rely on that office worker foot traffic as well as the Downtown real estate in general (people choosing to live in Downtown close to work for example).
people leaving that bullcrap jobs because these are the ones who have woken up and find more alternative cheaper way to live and have more freedom to they can enjoy their life rather than work work work work work all day and 9 to 5
I don't mind hybrid but it still is far from ideal. Flexibility is key, I don't want set hours or set days. Right now I'd rather be home 3 days a week, and flexible hours on my days in the office. I don't need to be in the office to do my job, at a different company I was completely remote. So, it's frustrating when hybrid situations are mandated for old fashioned reasons, lack of trust, etc.
I haven't worked onsite in 2 years. Been WFH or Starbucks since the pandemic. I even have my own 3D printer when I need to print a prototype engineered part I created in CAD for evaluation.
This lady they're interviewing lacks perspective on lower class jobs. She completely ignored how entire industries will be work from 'office' in perpetuity - like blue collar, retail, and service careers. It can be quite difficult to "upskill" for many. She works in a bubble. This is despite multiple attempts by the interviewer to steer the conversation this direction.
That's because she's a paid shill. It's her job to maintain a certain viewpoint. Everyone knows the work from home movement is going to be horrible for American workers.
Over the next 10 - 15 years, remote work is going to slowly develop many suburban towns into half suburban and half urban towns with more business and shopping/entertainment districts that their local residents will have more access to educational and job opportunities as well as more convenient walking distance to shopping and business districts that it will dramatically decrease the influx of suburban folks moving to the big cities for all these opportunities that may have potentially considered it because many of these remote workers that are now out in the suburbs have job positions and experiences and resources where many of them will transition into becoming business and property developers in the suburban towns they are residing in and working remotely from. In addition, many of these workers that were living in the big cities fled to the suburbs for bigger houses during the pandemic. Many of these suburban towns will start off with some scattered businesses here and there, then maybe a few more shopping and entertainment centers, then before you know it, little business districts will emerge in all walking distances and then there will be some apartment buildings that they will start looking like the outer parts of the each big city or like the outer boroughs of NYC.
Actually yes. Because tax incentives to hire American will be given out, people prefer speaking to an American for support than hearing a foreign accent, and because business owners aren't that heartless to move it overseas while Americans suffer. Little thing called integrity.
Beyond the actual content of this interview, which is excellent, I would love to know what technologies were used in making it. Neither person has any visible microphones or headphones and yet the quality is excellent. Both my wife and I work remotely and we are always looking to improve our professionalism in this regard.
It’s about time these companies became more flexible. It’s a shame that people were forced to have to pay for babysitting, aftercare, daycare and basically have no life because you get home have to cook, eat, shower, sleep and back at it again. Meanwhile you only get two days off that seem to go by as fast as a blink of an eye. These corporations did not care about us at all
Why do some people believe you need social interaction to feel ok working home?? Some people don’t like that ish lol you should be comfortable working alone. Things get done faster and less chatter..
Hybrid...is not exciting ...I'd rather stay at home...we are starting this crap next week. They should just cancel our lease and save the money and reimburse for internet...I wish I could stay 5 days a week at home
@@93mlo no, my job even before the pandemic really could always be done at home my manager has always been in another city and the people i work with are never in office they are always meeting with clients so I'm in a commute just to sit in a desk by myself serves no purpose i live in a major city so traffic there and back it wastes time and gas.....all of this is logical not laziness .
NO MORE WASTING MONEY ON COMMUTING (WHAT HAPPENED TO SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT 😏) NO MORE DRAINING OFFICE POLITICS NO MORE GOD COMPLEX MANAGERS WHO FEED OFF HAVING THEIR UNDERLINGS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
The 9 to 5... 5 days a week schedule is not over for the poor people open the low-wage earners who have no value.. but for the rest of us definitely like I said I work for myself and I live out of my van. like I said alternative livingworks..
How will hybrid model affects downtowns, such as catering/food courts, work space, commercial space, store sales, post work service industry, etc. ? Included residential real estate?
At some point, stock in algorithmic patterns can be sold and traded in the stock market and used for the benefit of surrounding thriving companies. It's simular to a combination lock in the process so mounds of trial and error will have to take place.
Please back to office.... Have had so much poor customer service experience with those working at home. They are highly distracted and the noise from children, dogs, television is bad.
I just did an interview with JP Morgan and 30 minutes in they told me I’ll have to commute. I told them, “No thank you. I’ll stay at my remote job!” 100% of the time, I will take lower pay just so I don’t ever have to commute again.
Yea screw making more money and working for a fortune 500 company. Stay home with your cat and let the men travel into work. I know its scary out there.
That fine. I told my new employer the same and they hired me remote. Sometimes that happens too
@@Mike-dd8bd considering the factors of travel, work attire and meals at work, the person might have just broke even or lost money.
@@effinxrightt Exactly. and remote job these days doesn’t mean lower salary. In my industry - for software engineer the salary is the same and in some cases it is more. A person working in a company in Georgia might make less money than a person who is also living in georgia but working for a company that is based in california.
Right? You save so much money and time. What good is an increase in salary if I have to lose 2-3 hours daily and take a PTO for the smallest inconvenience so then I cant take vacation?
99% of the time I was in the "office" I spent by myself in a cube staring at a screen and emailing or IMing with coworkers (often just down the hall from me). The only interaction I had with people was purely social, and had nothing do with work. Very rarely if ever did we actually meet in person to discuss work related issue. So basically, driving to work 1 hour each way was a gigantic waste of time and gas.
It was just a way to monitor their slaves.
@@gg.6633 exactly
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
@@abcdedfg8340 Sound fair! Hopefully we can make some changes, by spreading the word about what we want-even if it’s just starting with UA-cam comments.
@@abcdedfg8340 yeah the only exception for canada is that government employees can pool, carryover and then use in one go for months long vacation.
I worked from home from March 2020- October 2021 when they made us return to the office. In January 2022 my company announced they would allow us to work from home in a more permanent basis if we wanted to do so. I’m back to working from home again and I’m so much happier.
Excellent interview. The office is no longer a destination but rather a tool which needs to be flexible…
We need part time with benefits as many of us dont want more money fulltime shifts
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
I like how you phrased that--because the office is a tool, a tool for what can't be resolved digitally.
We could’ve gone remote 20 yrs ago, so this is LONG overdue! 👏 I’m so glad the world is finally incentivized to make these changes.
I miss some of the social aspects of working in an office what I don't miss is needing a business wardrobe a lunch budget gas budget catching every virus that someone's kids got at school and brought to work including my own kids I love working from home
Being able to run errands, walk the dog at lunch, not wasting 3 hours commuting every day and the ones you mentioned. And one that I don’t think was mentioned in this video: you can save many thousands of dollars every year by moving.
Imagine still getting your big city salary while moving to a small town? We can’t move because my wife is only a few years away from getting her pension, but so many of my friends have moved to where they actually want to be. Miami. Arizona. Some have even moved out of the country.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
Exactly! The flexibility is nice & it’s far cheaper for both the workers & employers. Not paying as much for gas & spending commute time in the car is amazing too and part of that equation. In addition, some households might begin to question the need for a 2nd car.
I like most of my coworkers, but honestly, I do not miss seeing them in person.
I don't miss anyone at work!
Kudos to all those finding a better life for themselves!
I'm a business owner and I'm all for this. I would actually prefer if my employees didn't have to be around me the whole time. It's like running a daycare.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
Your business will be successful and prosper because you understand what employees need.
Im glad that workers are finally demanding a better work/life balance. Profits, shareholder returns and executive compensation are not the only things that matter.
I always knew driving to work every day was stupid , even 20 yrs ago.., At the time there were no alternatives.. Been working from home for 6 yrs , its like being on vacation more or less. I could never go back... I can eat soup anytime I want , go to the bathroom, or even mow the yard.
You could do the first two in an office. Now your lawn…not so much
What job? I need to look for a new one lol
@@Ryan2022 not true… i had a job in a cube farm where I had a co working complaining that I would use the rest room on average 3-4 times a day.. I had to deal with their passive aggressiveness… there’s a lot of strange attitudes in the office that you can avoid being home and it has helped my productivity and well being
I don’t think there is a worker shortage. But rather a lack of commitment and funds to paying people livable wages. As well as working with and not against people when it comes to flexibility, scheduling, remote work, childcare obligations, commute, cost of living, etc. These external factors have to be taken into consideration when not only hiring but retaining employees long term. Which also means a change in the culture of how many businesses operate.
I watched this video in the background at home while doing system maintenance remotely. An office building doesn't really hold the same value as it did in the 50s. It's nice to know that some companies are finally catching on.
Tell that to the new construction with a dozen 20 year leases
The 50’s? What are you talking about?
No more shaming parents for having to balance work and family. Now, greedy employers are starting to realize they actually have to prioritize their employees needs
They will find some other way to ruin people's lives. Trust me. These people never want to see a comfortable setup for all, even if it results in greater productivity. 😶
@@alphaomega1351 sucks for you.
@@Ryan2022
Negative 👎. I'm not in that situation but was at one point. 😶
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And it sucks for the majority by the way. 😶
@@alphaomega1351 your right they love seeing depressed people. But hopefully they will let people have that true work life balance.
I’ve been working from home prior to the pandemic and visit the office for key meetings and networking only. Been a great balance.
You're insane if you really want to go back through traffic to go back to an office where companies don't care about you.
You lose time, money, and increase stress for no reason. Just why? It makes zero sense.
people were working because they needed money. we are learning to complete our economy. theres gonna be backlash but the prevalent direction is power to people. chose not to be subjugated and recognize the responsibilty opportunity and liability that goes with such autonomy.
Well because top management can't cope with the idea of a comfortable more efficient work environment. They have a no pain no gain mentality. Plus, what are managers going to complain about if they can't mention tardiness because you were stuck in traffic once or twice during your performance review. 😶
The people that want to go back are insane. They’re the ones that have a horrible spouse at home or hate their home life and are probably the ones who also were the least productive in the office and held court around the water cooler.
Good. Commuting is a waste of time and life.
I tell people if you don't have to work in the office I say don't.. remotely and alternative way of working is the best way and remember you'll have a lot more freedom and you'll be away from humans which is the best way to work..
Something I haven't heard about that has occurred to me is when employees work from home, the company saves a lot of money on electricity, ink, paper, etc. So that's a plus for the company and a minus for the emoployee. But I do favor the work at home.
You are correct also security, facility staff and leasing costs.
And insurance... you get hurt at home your own fault. Hurt at work their problem
@@one8s7n That would not hold in court. Employers are responsible for the working environment of their employees during company time, regardless of where they work from.
When personal resources are used for work the employer should compensate the employee accordingly.
So it may be cheaper but a business expense will still exist. 😶
Along those same lines, my heating costs have gone up working from home. When no one is home, I keep the temperature at 62F. I try to not go crazy during the day, so I’ll set it at 65F and wear a cozy. But with all of this crazy pandemic stuff, even though my kids are in college, they’re often at home and they complain when it’s 65F. Anyway, I save over $400 every month because I no longer have to pay for my monthly train ticket and I save even more by not having to buy $18 lunches, etc. Not to mention I no longer have to spend 3 hours every day commuting, can run errands and walk the dog at lunch, so it’s a huge win overall and I’m not complaining. Just pointing out the unforeseen ways we’re spending more.
The point about zooming from the office is a very good one. At the university where I work, most of our meetings are still remote because of the ongoing pandemic yet we returned to the office most of the time. What is the point of commuting if meetings are going to be virtual anyway? It’s silly.
In my department we each have to go in once a week. (It was twice a week but they lowered it due to Omicron.) My day is Monday and that happens to be when we have our staff meetings so yes, there I am, by myself in the office while everyone else is at home. It does feel really stupid.
This is spot on! I wish I could give this interview more Likes. Tools like Office 365, Teams, etc. makes hybrid run very smoothly. We were working 1 day a week remotely before covid and many of the people we support in the field are at 100+ branch offices... so when covid happened, we transitioned to hybrid easily. We're using a 2 days office and 3 days remote model now.
That’s the best. Nobody should be in the office more than 2-3 days. It all comes down to productivity. And tbh, we should thank COVID for this push/change.
Hybrid and Remote are here to stay. Yes there is some loss to the social aspect of work... On the otherside its wonderful not having to be in a rush to commute. New Yorkers know exactly what I'm talking about lol.
very efficient and environmentally friendly (less driving, less gas usage); no reason why anyone would be against working from home.
Conservatively, I save $10k a year not commuting. My train ticket is over $400 a month alone. Lunches with coworkers (usually at $20 a pop). Drinks after work. Work wardrobe. And here’s a big one: if you don’t have to go into the office, why live in an expense place like New York or LA or San Francisco? You could EASILY save another $10k or more right there.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 I left NY to work remote. Take you r mask and vaccine mandates and shove it
@@Ryan2022
What a keyboard tough guy! TAKE YOUR MASK AND SHOVE IT! I'm sure if you were around when polio was a thing, we'd still be struggling to get rid of it today! 😂🤣😂🤣
You did not save....when outsourcing hits you will wish you paid for transport genius
My workplace started off on the right foot having us go remote, and they shifted back to a bad footing with employees and declared a return to the office at the start of 2021. We had a mass exodus last year, and they then shifted back to a good place keeping people remote. Now they're talking about bringing everyone back into the office again by start of next year. That won't work for me, since I agreed to a different shift and now work later hours than most other people. It's infuriating, exhausting, and endlessly frustrating how out of touch they seem....even after 3 years of this. I don't see myself staying with them for too terribly much longer. It is a mental health thing for me. It hurts my work-life balance. They are basically saying my wellbeing doesn't matter as long as I do as they say. 🙄😮💨
I work in tech support from home now and absolutely love it. Tech support is already remote work from a call center why lease out space in a building to gather people together who are already remotely working with customers when they can just remotely work with customers from home. Was a huge waste of time, money, and resources and I would imagine it's also benefiting the company and saving them huge amounts of money every year. I already know it saves me money. I've had the same tank of gas in my car for a month now. I actually home cook more now also, much less take out and junk food.
"You're on mute" most used phrase across the world, since 2020.
"have a life and earn a living" - Love that phrase. We have seen the alternative and it is good. Here is to better work/life balances for generations moving forward.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
I love everyone saying working from home is hard to turn off. No it is not. Hit the power button on your computer. Done! If you have a company phone, turn it off. I've worked from home for 12 years and have never had a problem turning work off.
The one good thing to come out of the pandemic. I am now on my lunch break. I walked into the kitchen and made eggs and now I’m in my bed watching this video. I’m also wearing a t-shirt and shorts and my dog is laying next to me. It’s great!
these two ladies made a lot of good sense...the questions were perfect and the answers were logical thanks for putting this video up
Interesting how money wasn't mentioned here! Yes, employees save money on commuting costs, lunch, etc. But Employers save a ton on the lease.
It's easier to "Quit on a keyboard" but what was not addressed is its easier to fire over keyboard too. As we saw with the mass Zoom firing of the mortgage company.
I can imagine the managers at the commercial real estate management companies - “Back to the office everyone”! The number of office leases being discontinued must be jaw dropping.
NYT did a cool interactive on the leases at the Empire State Building - very interesting. Also, friend of mine works at a very famous insurance and securities company. They are going to have to go back in part because the company received hefty tax benefits for locating their office in a certain city and to continue to get the benefits, the company needs butts in seats.
Distracted as I can be, the vibe in the video was ✨ immaculate ✨. Good discussion, greater satisfaction seeing two intellectuals vibe on this topic :3
I like the office I've had for the past two years. It has a large window, good food, a bidet, and pets are allowed! Wouldn't trade it to wake up at the ass-crack of dawn and drive 2+ hours a day just to do the same thing.
Plus you have your private executive bathroom, your private executive kitchen (no waiting in line to use the microwave), and your VIP parking spot.
9 to 5, 5 days a week, 40h workweek. All of this is very outdated. People need a better balance between work and life. Max 4 days work, 3 days off.
Work for living, not live to work!
Nah 4 days is to much more like 2 days work and 4 days off
Excellent discussion!
I am all for remote work, since most of my work can be done remotely!
BUT there are people taking advantage of remote work that is causing issues for us!
How are people taking advantage of remote work? Did you not hear her say that productivity goes up?!
@@BrooklynBaby100 Did you not know the actual truth?! Many people are not actually working, while they companies allow people to work from them! Many countries actually sent people to check on remote workers, which is why many HR are adding a new addendum for remote work and some companies basically cancelled remote work!
Then fire those people. People that underperform, whether in office or remote, can be evaluated and terminated if they don't change, improve, etc. The rules are the same.
I have been a freelancer working from home for the past 12 years, welcome to my world. You're here when packages get delivered, you can step out to run errands outside of peak hours, you can take a power nap on the couch, etc. Downside is, you may start talking to your cat.
Excellent conversation. Personally, I am very glad big business finally has to recon with labor!
Working in the office has always been misleading in terms of efficiency. However, companies don’t know what to do with these large HQ buildings if their workers WFH! Most employees will definitely move to hybrid or fully remote companies
I can't wait until I can start working from home, but until then I'm waiter at a restaurant so we can't work from home even if we wanted to. Still had to work even through the pandemic
Everyone hates going back to the office. We already lost 30% + of staff recently since the company started asking people to go back to the office.
Commute is such a waste of time and a major stress factor.
A company my dad was VP operated their office staff on 4 day weeks. You work Monday- Thursday, Tuesday - Friday or Monday,, Tuesday, Thursday, friday. Just want a need for everyone to be there. Field services and production even had lax schedule but would be on call 5 days a week. This was back in the 90's in oil and gas.
@@silentcatshhhh I used to work 4 on 4 off 16 hour shifts it was great. You would get good OT and time off.
There's no labor shortage, I've applied to 50 jobs and only 6 got back to me... after a month or two...
40 hour work weeks is the real problem
Exactly. Lazy people quit at 5
Screwing . The rest of us
If we got paid the same amount for half the hours, I'd actually consider commuting. This all comes back down to how much time you get back.
Commuting costs you time, fuel and/or parking $, tax $ if you live and work in separate cities, lowers the value of your vehicle if you use one, screws you if you need to rely on lackluster US public transit, and you have less flexibility overall when trying to balance work/life responsibilities. There are benefits to coming into the office. But the personal benefits of working remote, for most of us, are VERY hard to compete with.
Commute and parking costing you $100-200 a month? Tough luck! Need to be home to feed the kids or dog, but work is running late? Tough luck! Coworker came in sick and now you are too? Tough luck! Bus was late and now your whole day's schedule is effed? Tough luck! Only 3 hours to yourself when you get home each day? Tough luck!
We've made it work, it can be done, but it's far from optimal. If there's a BETTER WAY that benefits everyone, why the heck would you not do it or fight for it? We were promised technology would make our lives easier, so isn't it about time that happened?
Most American companies that operate in egypt apply mandatory 9 hour shifts with putting into consideration the time difference, so if the average american employee starts his work day at 8am, here its usually 4pm which sucks even if you work from home cuz at the end of the day this kind of schedule ruins any social plans u had in mind
For anyone who is against hybrid working, if you’re that great of a business individual why not look at this chance to see how much tech is going to be sold in order to upkeep this hybrid working and maybe invest there.
It would be foolish for anyone to be against hybrid or even 99% remote, where applicable.
Professional work is no longer tethered to a physical place and time.
The only people likely to have an issue are managers whom sadly have no other responsibilities. Eventually the necessity for administration overhead will have to be streamlined.
The old days of adult babysitting are over. 😶
@@alphaomega1351 well said👏🏽
Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds for an employer. Employers have to both maintain an expensive office and have the hassle of managing employees remotely. I don't understand why any employer would favor it over 100% office work or 100% remote work.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion
Working from home is flexible and more affordable if your the kind of person who doesn't live remotely or is local
"Talent shortage" is certainly one way to phrase "the capitalists don't wanna play when the market tilts the other way."
Great interview, what I would love to see you do is a interview with a CEO of a company that has been adamant about returning to the office and have an employee of that same company (or at least same field) counter the CEO's reasons for why remote/hybrid is a better fit for people. Also for the love of everything make sure you ask the CEO why they think every other site in the country has to act and behave like their home sites in NYC or silicone valley.
This was an extremely insightful video. Thank you.
If companies can offer remote works to their workers, it’s not just benefit the workers. It benefiting the company itself and the earth( less gas pollution).
The office should now be treated as a centralized hub. Quarterly or monthly meetings.
Thank you, CNBC for an eye-opening interview. Looking forward to such more interviews from great personalities in the corporate.
The only good thing the pandemic brought
It is really hard to have good mental health with below living wage. Being underpaid for the area you have to live in . Pay enough or work and live remote.
You sound depressed. Good lord
Working in a office means transportation which is a high cost
Not one downside to WFH in my experience. I’d leave my job if they tried this hybrid bull.
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Firstly I want to say that I'm all for remote work. I think it's a great idea for many reasons. One thing that I'm curious about though is: Since employers can hire people from anywhere, What's the motivation in hiring Americans for 120k a year if they can hire someone from Thailand who will do the work for 10k a year? There are certainly a lot of educated people who go to college in developing countries. Or, perhaps they pay them the full 120k. Also, what about people in SF who make 300k a year as a developer? A lot of those people get those high paying jobs because the cost of living is so high. If I get paid 300k, and go live in Kansas, would I still be paid the 300k instead of 50 or 60k? I know all of this is new, but I'm curious to see how it plays out.
I lost my job and to be honest - I would now reflect back saying it was the best thing that could've happened to me. I started a UA-cam Channel after before getting back to a regular full time position. I'm only sitting at 2K subs, but I have high hopes for those who sees this!
Some countries are moving to four day work weeks.
I enjoy my hybrid work schedule. I didn’t realize how much I miss seeing people until I telecommuted full-time for 2 years. Plus I get a much needed mental break from my family.
The place is closed their offices and are now just working remotely. It saves the company’s money.
Covid low key made companies realize that we can work from home performing the same function…
Excellent vide. I really got a lot out of watching this. The long-form format is great.
Good luck working from home as a local truck driver.
I question her numbers. On Linkedin, the work from home vs hybrid vs in-office polls I've seen, the majority of workers were for WFH, not hybrid (which really surprised me). Even at the company I work for, they asked my entire department which they prefer, and 90% said WFH. The rest were hybrid. Not one person said they wanted to go in full time 😂
People prefer WFH! The mainstream is now pushing this hybrid narrative.
@@DebraJohnson and that’s because they realize people do not want to go back to the building full time
I want all virtual. Maybe 1 day a quarter we need to come in. I work in FP&A.
As a person who works from home I find it hard to turn it off some days.
I like working from home, but the flip side is that it can be quite detrimental to Downtowns and some businesses that rely on that office worker foot traffic as well as the Downtown real estate in general (people choosing to live in Downtown close to work for example).
True…but then those businesses need to pivot with the times
people leaving that bullcrap jobs because these are the ones who have woken up and find more alternative cheaper way to live and have more freedom to they can enjoy their life rather than work work work work work all day and 9 to 5
I don't mind hybrid but it still is far from ideal. Flexibility is key, I don't want set hours or set days. Right now I'd rather be home 3 days a week, and flexible hours on my days in the office. I don't need to be in the office to do my job, at a different company I was completely remote. So, it's frustrating when hybrid situations are mandated for old fashioned reasons, lack of trust, etc.
I haven't worked onsite in 2 years. Been WFH or Starbucks since the pandemic. I even have my own 3D printer when I need to print a prototype engineered part I created in CAD for evaluation.
This lady they're interviewing lacks perspective on lower class jobs. She completely ignored how entire industries will be work from 'office' in perpetuity - like blue collar, retail, and service careers. It can be quite difficult to "upskill" for many. She works in a bubble.
This is despite multiple attempts by the interviewer to steer the conversation this direction.
That's because she's a paid shill. It's her job to maintain a certain viewpoint. Everyone knows the work from home movement is going to be horrible for American workers.
@@Jurmyhyle12 Been working from home for over 5+ years. It hasn't been horrible.
Hybrid work would lessen exposure to infectious people (pandemic or no pandemic) 🤷🏻 perhaps less sick time used up on those things
Over the next 10 - 15 years, remote work is going to slowly develop many suburban towns into half suburban and half urban towns with more business and shopping/entertainment districts that their local residents will have more access to educational and job opportunities as well as more convenient walking distance to shopping and business districts that it will dramatically decrease the influx of suburban folks moving to the big cities for all these opportunities that may have potentially considered it because many of these remote workers that are now out in the suburbs have job positions and experiences and resources where many of them will transition into becoming business and property developers in the suburban towns they are residing in and working remotely from. In addition, many of these workers that were living in the big cities fled to the suburbs for bigger houses during the pandemic. Many of these suburban towns will start off with some scattered businesses here and there, then maybe a few more shopping and entertainment centers, then before you know it, little business districts will emerge in all walking distances and then there will be some apartment buildings that they will start looking like the outer parts of the each big city or like the outer boroughs of NYC.
Not a single word about parents with small children.
Full or part time day care. One spouse stays home.
Fantastic interview!
Do Americans really think the good times with hybrid work will last? They’re going to outsource your job eventually lol
SHHHH! Don't give away the secret.
Outsourcing has happened in the past and there is nothing stopping a company from outsourcing your job if you return to the office tommorow.
Yep. Remote = outsourcing coming soon!!!
How dumb can people be??
Actually yes. Because tax incentives to hire American will be given out, people prefer speaking to an American for support than hearing a foreign accent, and because business owners aren't that heartless to move it overseas while Americans suffer. Little thing called integrity.
Beyond the actual content of this interview, which is excellent, I would love to know what technologies were used in making it. Neither person has any visible microphones or headphones and yet the quality is excellent. Both my wife and I work remotely and we are always looking to improve our professionalism in this regard.
It’s about time these companies became more flexible. It’s a shame that people were forced to have to pay for babysitting, aftercare, daycare and basically have no life because you get home have to cook, eat, shower, sleep and back at it again. Meanwhile you only get two days off that seem to go by as fast as a blink of an eye. These corporations did not care about us at all
Why do some people believe you need social interaction to feel ok working home?? Some people don’t like that ish lol you should be comfortable working alone. Things get done faster and less chatter..
Turn these offices into housing, lord knows we need all the housing we can get
Hybrid...is not exciting ...I'd rather stay at home...we are starting this crap next week. They should just cancel our lease and save the money and reimburse for internet...I wish I could stay 5 days a week at home
Just say you're lazy
@@93mlo no, my job even before the pandemic really could always be done at home my manager has always been in another city and the people i work with are never in office they are always meeting with clients so I'm in a commute just to sit in a desk by myself serves no purpose i live in a major city so traffic there and back it wastes time and gas.....all of this is logical not laziness .
This is a great interview!!
NO MORE WASTING MONEY ON COMMUTING (WHAT HAPPENED TO SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT 😏)
NO MORE DRAINING OFFICE POLITICS
NO MORE GOD COMPLEX MANAGERS WHO FEED OFF HAVING THEIR UNDERLINGS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
Very interesting conversation, love it.
All fun and games until corporate asks for it employees to come back in person
Excellent interviewee and interviewer!
With so many people being home all the time now, will we see a return of the milkman, the groceryboy, door-to-door salesmen and doctor house calls?
Doordash, Amazon, Telehealth
@@Spiritfba exactly!!! It’s already here. They even have mobile car wash, dry cleaning, etc
The 9 to 5... 5 days a week schedule is not over for the poor people open the low-wage earners who have no value.. but for the rest of us definitely like I said I work for myself and I live out of my van. like I said alternative livingworks..
Companies should just start moving forward remote. The exceptions to that are small.
Hybrid will evolve to Individual workplace. That's the FUTURE!
How will hybrid model affects downtowns, such as catering/food courts, work space, commercial space, store sales, post work service industry, etc. ? Included residential real estate?
At some point, stock in algorithmic patterns can be sold and traded in the stock market and used for the benefit of surrounding thriving companies. It's simular to a combination lock in the process so mounds of trial and error will have to take place.
Look at how many books she has on her bookshelf I bet that’s where she’s getting all these funny stories about post-quarantine
Am in my 9th year of working from home.. would not want to change that for anything
Companies should like it. They can spend less on office space and utilities
Please back to office.... Have had so much poor customer service experience with those working at home. They are highly distracted and the noise from children, dogs, television is bad.
Interesting!
Hybrid work SUCKS. Either 100% remote or bye bye is my motto since 2018 :)