I think this ended up largely getting addressed in the next episode, but I really enjoy the analysis of the Bad Kids and the Ratgrinders and the contrasts between them. Kipperlilly in particular makes me think of a character realizing she's been forced into the role of a side character (not dissimilar to the Stepmother in Neverafter)
I see your point, I'm not disagreeing, but I do think there is something to say for them being (probably unwitting) worshippers of Ankarna and the idea of wrath reducing complexity down to a simple binary. Like, they were an interesting antagonistic foil for the bad kids, and then they got possessed by rage shards or whatever and became just Bad Guys because wrath doesnt have room for complexity or nuance or depth, it just becomes Thing Bad. Maybe a reach, maybe cope, but i think theres something there... Cool video. Subbed. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts post season.
(spoilers i guess) I think that the next episode showing his revival makes it seem less extreme that they killed him. If they've all been resurrected they may have seen it as a drastic yet still practical means of keeping the bad kids in the realm with no planeshift. If they have died themselves, then they would be a lot more careless about death I presume. They probably thought it would be a great idea because it would get Buddy on the same page as the rest of the group
Spoiler The rat grinders and the VP were all resurected by Ancarna and are her agents. They all have the red stars in their chests as part of their revival, with their hightened rage being a side effect of the revival, along with being servants to resurrect Ancarna on the Prime Material Plane. The Bad Kids are intending to follow the Rat Grinders on their Spring break up to the Mountains of Chaos, which is as close to Ancarnas place of birth as can be, to bring her back, and corrupt all of Elmvile to create controlled followers. Either in the next weeks episode, or the one after that, there's gonna be a big fight between the Bad Kids and the Rat Grinders, Milestone leveling vs. Xp leveling.
Love your analysis of the season. I think there is potentially still room for the rat grinders to bring moral complexity given what is revealed in episode 16. But even if it is just a bunch of petty superpowered high schoolers killing each other I'm down for that 🤷
I hear you on your critic but as you said, we are growing with the story and the characters and encountering more morally complex foes and situations so wouldn't the bad kids leaving a battle with an enemy/antagonist without a complete feeling of triumph and satisfaction also be the moral complexity we need to deal with. Don't get me wrong, a bad guy is a bad guy is a bad guy but not all villains/antagonists present themselves with clearly 'mwa-ha-ha' intentions and ideals perfectly wrapped and neatly tied with a bow
The thing is is that the Grinders are possesed theyre thralls. It's fairly clear that by the end of this that the majority of the Grinders will be alive an unthralled and while not nesessarily on the same page as the bad kids uderstanding that this is a team of heros not a stuck up group of coasters
Eh, nobody liked buddy in the audience, so saying it makes them less morally justified is a little ad hoc. IMO, it was already obvious that they killed their last cleric and they were definitely trying to fail the bad kids beforehand. This death just demonstrated to us their process for joining the unnamed god’s side.
Just want to point out that killing Buddy was never the original plan. Kipperlilly intended to sneak her way into the stadium, kill the examiner guy and planeshift away. It was only because Ally ate the vulture eye that caused Brennan to switch up and improvise. I say thier real names because this was what happened outside of the game. Kipperlilly never expected Kirsten to eat the vulture eye and neither did Brennan. The next best option to screw over the Bad Kids was attempting to trap them in the colleseum realm without any form of reserection/revivify (presuming Kipperlilly never knew that Kirsten knew the Dimension door spell). I wrote this out before watching the rest of the video and tbh I agree and have actaully stated that it seems odd the the BBEG this season seems to be a bunch of murder teens that don't really have much of a big agenda (from what we've seen as of yet) that the Bad Kids need to oppose other than spite and general annoyance.
Also to Kipperlily's credit, Kristen previously revealed she didn't have access to spells so it would be reasonable to think that her spellcasting might've been more limited so to not have Plane Shift readily available. To the murder teens, it is a shame they aren't going to be as compelling because of the murdery-ness but it kinda makes sense for a satisfying narrative. For conflict, anyone more sane wouldn't take actions that would compel the Bad Kids to genuinely retaliate against them. For the conclusion, it would probably feel cheap after all the Bad Kids' success if they had to "put aside their differences" with the Rat Grinders for some greater goal as if the Bad Kids haven't been flexing on the whole school exactly why they're the main characters.
It's my favorite season by faaaaar. I've havnt made a video about it (yet) , but I've decided two episodes of my podcast to it if you'd be interested in my thoughts on it
@logansliver610 HELL YEAH. It's called Original Podcast Do Not Steal found wherever you get your Podcasts. The 1st episode was non spoilers and the 2nd was full spoiler and we had a special guest Kcosplays!
I think this ended up largely getting addressed in the next episode, but I really enjoy the analysis of the Bad Kids and the Ratgrinders and the contrasts between them. Kipperlilly in particular makes me think of a character realizing she's been forced into the role of a side character (not dissimilar to the Stepmother in Neverafter)
I see your point, I'm not disagreeing, but I do think there is something to say for them being (probably unwitting) worshippers of Ankarna and the idea of wrath reducing complexity down to a simple binary.
Like, they were an interesting antagonistic foil for the bad kids, and then they got possessed by rage shards or whatever and became just Bad Guys because wrath doesnt have room for complexity or nuance or depth, it just becomes Thing Bad.
Maybe a reach, maybe cope, but i think theres something there...
Cool video. Subbed. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts post season.
(spoilers i guess)
I think that the next episode showing his revival makes it seem less extreme that they killed him. If they've all been resurrected they may have seen it as a drastic yet still practical means of keeping the bad kids in the realm with no planeshift. If they have died themselves, then they would be a lot more careless about death I presume. They probably thought it would be a great idea because it would get Buddy on the same page as the rest of the group
Spoiler
The rat grinders and the VP were all resurected by Ancarna and are her agents. They all have the red stars in their chests as part of their revival, with their hightened rage being a side effect of the revival, along with being servants to resurrect Ancarna on the Prime Material Plane.
The Bad Kids are intending to follow the Rat Grinders on their Spring break up to the Mountains of Chaos, which is as close to Ancarnas place of birth as can be, to bring her back, and corrupt all of Elmvile to create controlled followers.
Either in the next weeks episode, or the one after that, there's gonna be a big fight between the Bad Kids and the Rat Grinders, Milestone leveling vs. Xp leveling.
Love your analysis of the season. I think there is potentially still room for the rat grinders to bring moral complexity given what is revealed in episode 16. But even if it is just a bunch of petty superpowered high schoolers killing each other I'm down for that 🤷
I hear you on your critic but as you said, we are growing with the story and the characters and encountering more morally complex foes and situations so wouldn't the bad kids leaving a battle with an enemy/antagonist without a complete feeling of triumph and satisfaction also be the moral complexity we need to deal with.
Don't get me wrong, a bad guy is a bad guy is a bad guy but not all villains/antagonists present themselves with clearly 'mwa-ha-ha' intentions and ideals perfectly wrapped and neatly tied with a bow
They needed Buddy dead to force him to worship the rage god. Kipperlily would've done it anyway
“The step mother was morally correct” killed me lololol
Thank you I was nervous about that joke
The thing is is that the Grinders are possesed theyre thralls. It's fairly clear that by the end of this that the majority of the Grinders will be alive an unthralled and while not nesessarily on the same page as the bad kids uderstanding that this is a team of heros not a stuck up group of coasters
Eh, nobody liked buddy in the audience, so saying it makes them less morally justified is a little ad hoc. IMO, it was already obvious that they killed their last cleric and they were definitely trying to fail the bad kids beforehand. This death just demonstrated to us their process for joining the unnamed god’s side.
I believe it was the rat grinders intention to Get buddy on their side due to needing a cleric for this rage god
Just want to point out that killing Buddy was never the original plan. Kipperlilly intended to sneak her way into the stadium, kill the examiner guy and planeshift away. It was only because Ally ate the vulture eye that caused Brennan to switch up and improvise. I say thier real names because this was what happened outside of the game. Kipperlilly never expected Kirsten to eat the vulture eye and neither did Brennan. The next best option to screw over the Bad Kids was attempting to trap them in the colleseum realm without any form of reserection/revivify (presuming Kipperlilly never knew that Kirsten knew the Dimension door spell).
I wrote this out before watching the rest of the video and tbh I agree and have actaully stated that it seems odd the the BBEG this season seems to be a bunch of murder teens that don't really have much of a big agenda (from what we've seen as of yet) that the Bad Kids need to oppose other than spite and general annoyance.
Also to Kipperlily's credit, Kristen previously revealed she didn't have access to spells so it would be reasonable to think that her spellcasting might've been more limited so to not have Plane Shift readily available.
To the murder teens, it is a shame they aren't going to be as compelling because of the murdery-ness but it kinda makes sense for a satisfying narrative. For conflict, anyone more sane wouldn't take actions that would compel the Bad Kids to genuinely retaliate against them. For the conclusion, it would probably feel cheap after all the Bad Kids' success if they had to "put aside their differences" with the Rat Grinders for some greater goal as if the Bad Kids haven't been flexing on the whole school exactly why they're the main characters.
Crown of candy?
It's my favorite season by faaaaar. I've havnt made a video about it (yet) , but I've decided two episodes of my podcast to it if you'd be interested in my thoughts on it
@@princedevin1435 alright will watch
@logansliver610 HELL YEAH. It's called Original Podcast Do Not Steal found wherever you get your Podcasts. The 1st episode was non spoilers and the 2nd was full spoiler and we had a special guest Kcosplays!
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