Having used professional kitchen degreaser for chains: it works, and it's amazing. Turns out that if it can dissolve a bucket of lard out of a fume hood, it can also deal with a thin layer of bike grease :-D
If you lucky enough to work with RATIONAL brand self cleaning oven... That is magical. You take out a shiny degreased component, dried ready to re-lube. Just make sure you don't get caught... If your boss not into cycling, you won't get much sympathy. Better chance for a written warning.
Probably the best advert for NOT using Muc-Off on your bike!! Any parts that are greased but not fully sealed like seatposts, bolts etc are going to lose that protection over a few washes. Oh and a little tip, you can dilute Muc-Off down 50/50 with water and it's still just as good at cleaning your bike for half the cost. Judging by this little experiment it'll save your greased up parts from losing their protection too.
This test shows that the best shampoo for your bike is water only. Greas on bearings wont wash off your bike if you use only water. Thanks for that test, you open my eyes. I’ll never ever buy bike shampoo again.
Can the chain cleaner be used to spray the drive train as this will have similar grease involved? Thinking this saves me purchasing specific drivetrain cleaner 👍
Never used anything stronger than hot water and a rag on my Squirtlubed chains. I promise I get a lot, lot more life out of them than oiling and degreasing them. It's not how clean the chains are newly washed after the ride, standing in the garage that counts, its how clean they can stay when used...
@@RealMTBAddict tbh I have found it to be about the same as dry lube for Mountain Biking. On a road bike however, I can imagine it being pretty awesome.
I like Squirt as well, but I don’t see how any reasonable degreaser shortens the life of your chain. BTW, from personal experience Squirt is not that good for CX, MTB or below zero conditions like a fat bike. It strips off too easily. Very nice on the TT bike!
Rod Diaz Nah, it's not the degreaser thet shortens the life of the chain. I just said I do not need any degreaser. It's the sticky oil together with the dust or grime from the trail or road. You just need 5 mins of riding and your chain is trying to lube itself with a carborundrum-like paste. With squirt that doesn't happen. I've got squirt on all my bikes, mtbs, gravel and road and in my experience it's on the mtbs and my gravel it makes the most difference in chainwear. I live in sweden( cold country...) and I can see what you mean with subzero temperatures. I have not had any problems with stiff chains or shifting even at -5 to -10°c though. There are a special, softer squirt winterlube but I have never used that. I just clean the chains with water, let it dry and relube. I will never go back.
@@RealMTBAddict I'm not sure whether wax is classed as dry or not, regardless, its quite different from other dry lubes and requires your chain to be fully stripped of any prior lubricant in order for it to work well (and actually adhere to the chain). Equally if you put a different dry lube on it will contaminate the chain requiring it to be re-cleaned. So I'm not really willing to lump it in with other dry lubes.
Shame you didn't put a glass with just dish washing detergent. That seems effective at breaking down grease so it'd have been interesting to see the difference.
@@DirtSailor5 I totally got that, just think it's a shame that a channel that trys to sell itself as for the everyday rider and often shows ways that a rider could save a bit of cash wouldn't put the obvious cheap choice as one of the things they were testing. I know it was a payed production and even advertised the fact at the st9but if Muc Off aren't confident enough in their products to put them up against something designed to clean dishes then obviously they don't rate their stuff very highly.
I'm not sure I want a general purpose bike cleaner to be such a strong degreaser, don't want the bearings and seals going dry after washing the bike. I guess the good news is that it can likely be watered down quite a bit and still get the job done.
Random thought. What if you made a hybrid telascopic-linkage fork? What I'm thinking is a trust but with like 100mm of telascopic travel up top closer to the bars.
So the remaining question is: How much does the contact of degreaser effect the lubrication inside the jockey wheels after several applications of degreaser to your drivetrain?
For me the best option for the chain is to use chaine lube to clean it. I put a good amont of chaine lube dry it well with a rag. And after, I grease it with a little bit of chaine lube and thats it. In my opinion the excess cleaning with degreaser is quite useless and a waste of time. At the end you will have to change your chain and cassette anyway...
@@ulukai_555 oz cycle's channel has the best way to clean a chain, but it's quite involved. Useful for removing factory lubricant (really just a rust preventative imo) or changing types - he prefers a wax mix he came up with.
@Click Bait All degreasers I found are in a spray bottle. The application on the chain and chainrings will migrate to the bearings even if you don't hit them directly. Some degreaser may contact the grease inside and break it down.
what about brake cleaner vs degreaser? the dry degreaser has worked great for cleaning the rotors. but I am curious about hhow the different materials rteact to these two and what the difference is between them in other aspects like effectiveness.
I see a quite common comment about Muc OFF cleaner, many people don't use it and refuse to use it, cus they claim it leaves white or grey residue and that they struggle to get it off. to me it sounds like just bad inpatient washing, first I spray all the worst off, then the cleaner and I always let the cleaner do its work for few mins, and then use a brush, and rinse off and more cleaner if needed. what do you think is causing the grey & white residue? only times I got that was when I did not wash my bike properly, just did a quick rinse, cus the dirty water remains.
The acid in it does discolor parts like black cassettes and chains, it's a natural chemical reaction and unavoidable when using any acid strong enough to effectively degrease anything.
@@bobbyhempel1513 That I only noticed with the degreaser, it does to the black kitchen table I use as a work bench, if I get degreaser on it it makes it white and grey, and stays like that for long. but maybe the different pain jobs of the bikes react differently.
Sp Citicorp to your question: WT mechanics before wet spring classic races. Fluorescent Shimano grease is easy to spot in the chains. On a more everyday use: well, if the degreaser can remove long-chain hydrocarbon thick grease, very likely it will easily remove dirty oil.
who the heck uses chain cleaner being used to clean up grease, also for grease, most past can be wiped clean, or old grease can be purged, those parts dont need to be 100% clean, the only time you might use degreaser on a non chain is if you are refurbishing shifters
Only promoting the brand. Never use A degreaser to clean your bike. Non harsh car soap will work wonders on the whole bike. Oh and it will leave it nice and shiny.
I'bought once mucoff chaine lube. The excess smell of lemon gave me the nausea XD I endend to give it to a friend. I don't tkink I will by this brand again. XD
I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, I agree that it works well. The biodegradability is something to keep in mind too. Washing up liquid really isn't great for ground water or the organisms living from it.
I am suitably underwhelmed 👍
Having used professional kitchen degreaser for chains: it works, and it's amazing. Turns out that if it can dissolve a bucket of lard out of a fume hood, it can also deal with a thin layer of bike grease :-D
And it's food safe and biodegradable.
If you lucky enough to work with RATIONAL brand self cleaning oven... That is magical. You take out a shiny degreased component, dried ready to re-lube.
Just make sure you don't get caught... If your boss not into cycling, you won't get much sympathy. Better chance for a written warning.
Dont ever do the opposite. I used bike degreaser on an air fryer. Baaaaadddddd idea
Probably the best advert for NOT using Muc-Off on your bike!! Any parts that are greased but not fully sealed like seatposts, bolts etc are going to lose that protection over a few washes.
Oh and a little tip, you can dilute Muc-Off down 50/50 with water and it's still just as good at cleaning your bike for half the cost. Judging by this little experiment it'll save your greased up parts from losing their protection too.
The problem with Muc-Off is it smells so good, my shed smells amazing after I clean my bike :D
Why is it a problem?
@@th_js expensive
@@timbonator1???
Rock n Roll Henry
@GMBN Tech.... How about you put the Muc Off against some hot soapy water (Blue Dawn Detergent)??? Then compare pricing?
They're sponsored by Muc-Off
it could be like the bike cleaner (the middle glass)
Hei.....short but very informative video, loved it!
This test shows that the best shampoo for your bike is water only. Greas on bearings wont wash off your bike if you use only water.
Thanks for that test, you open my eyes.
I’ll never ever buy bike shampoo again.
100%, jet off mud with water then use paper towels with some Muc Off bike spray. Leaves a nice finish.
Muc-Off makes good product. Thanks for the vid
The bike specific products are usually 9-10 times more expensive than the domestic degreaser you can buy at the dollar store.
Also chain lubes are MUCH more expensive than motor oil.
Can the chain cleaner be used to spray the drive train as this will have similar grease involved? Thinking this saves me purchasing specific drivetrain cleaner 👍
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Never used anything stronger than hot water and a rag on my Squirtlubed chains. I promise I get a lot, lot more life out of them than oiling and degreasing them. It's not how clean the chains are newly washed after the ride, standing in the garage that counts, its how clean they can stay when used...
@@RealMTBAddict tbh I have found it to be about the same as dry lube for Mountain Biking. On a road bike however, I can imagine it being pretty awesome.
I like Squirt as well, but I don’t see how any reasonable degreaser shortens the life of your chain.
BTW, from personal experience Squirt is not that good for CX, MTB or below zero conditions like a fat bike. It strips off too easily. Very nice on the TT bike!
Rod Diaz
Nah, it's not the degreaser thet shortens the life of the chain. I just said I do not need any degreaser. It's the sticky oil together with the dust or grime from the trail or road. You just need 5 mins of riding and your chain is trying to lube itself with a carborundrum-like paste. With squirt that doesn't happen. I've got squirt on all my bikes, mtbs, gravel and road and in my experience it's on the mtbs and my gravel it makes the most difference in chainwear.
I live in sweden( cold country...) and I can see what you mean with subzero temperatures. I have not had any problems with stiff chains or shifting even at -5 to -10°c though. There are a special, softer squirt winterlube but I have never used that.
I just clean the chains with water, let it dry and relube.
I will never go back.
@@RealMTBAddict I'm not sure whether wax is classed as dry or not, regardless, its quite different from other dry lubes and requires your chain to be fully stripped of any prior lubricant in order for it to work well (and actually adhere to the chain). Equally if you put a different dry lube on it will contaminate the chain requiring it to be re-cleaned. So I'm not really willing to lump it in with other dry lubes.
Shame you didn't put a glass with just dish washing detergent. That seems effective at breaking down grease so it'd have been interesting to see the difference.
It's a paid promotion, you can't have Dawn potentially beating out the people that are paying for the test.
@@DirtSailor5 I totally got that, just think it's a shame that a channel that trys to sell itself as for the everyday rider and often shows ways that a rider could save a bit of cash wouldn't put the obvious cheap choice as one of the things they were testing. I know it was a payed production and even advertised the fact at the st9but if Muc Off aren't confident enough in their products to put them up against something designed to clean dishes then obviously they don't rate their stuff very highly.
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I'm not sure I want a general purpose bike cleaner to be such a strong degreaser, don't want the bearings and seals going dry after washing the bike. I guess the good news is that it can likely be watered down quite a bit and still get the job done.
f yeah science!
Random thought. What if you made a hybrid telascopic-linkage fork? What I'm thinking is a trust but with like 100mm of telascopic travel up top closer to the bars.
What on earth are you talking about.
Who'd have thought it, water doesn't dissolve grease.
how good or bad is chante clair for cleaning your bike?
So the remaining question is: How much does the contact of degreaser effect the lubrication inside the jockey wheels after several applications of degreaser to your drivetrain?
For me the best option for the chain is to use chaine lube to clean it.
I put a good amont of chaine lube dry it well with a rag. And after, I grease it with a little bit of chaine lube and thats it.
In my opinion the excess cleaning with degreaser is quite useless and a waste of time. At the end you will have to change your chain and cassette anyway...
@@ulukai_555 oz cycle's channel has the best way to clean a chain, but it's quite involved. Useful for removing factory lubricant (really just a rust preventative imo) or changing types - he prefers a wax mix he came up with.
@Click Bait All degreasers I found are in a spray bottle. The application on the chain and chainrings will migrate to the bearings even if you don't hit them directly. Some degreaser may contact the grease inside and break it down.
what about brake cleaner vs degreaser? the dry degreaser has worked great for cleaning the rotors.
but I am curious about hhow the different materials rteact to these two and what the difference is between them in other aspects like effectiveness.
The degreaser made the metal frames on my bike dull/matte that also leave white/fog-ish stains?
bobo kaba degreaser nga eh pang drivetrain bat mo ialalgay sa frame tanga-tanga amputa
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I see a quite common comment about Muc OFF cleaner, many people don't use it and refuse to use it, cus they claim it leaves white or grey residue and that they struggle to get it off.
to me it sounds like just bad inpatient washing, first I spray all the worst off, then the cleaner and I always let the cleaner do its work for few mins, and then use a brush, and rinse off and more cleaner if needed.
what do you think is causing the grey & white residue?
only times I got that was when I did not wash my bike properly, just did a quick rinse, cus the dirty water remains.
The acid in it does discolor parts like black cassettes and chains, it's a natural chemical reaction and unavoidable when using any acid strong enough to effectively degrease anything.
@@bobbyhempel1513 That I only noticed with the degreaser, it does to the black kitchen table I use as a work bench, if I get degreaser on it it makes it white and grey, and stays like that for long.
but maybe the different pain jobs of the bikes react differently.
nice
Morning henry
Should compare with water and soap
Since when has anyone used grease on their drive train.
So you don't have grease in your freehub? I'd say that's part of your drive chain
dicksplatts007 you know what mean. You don’t clean out your free hub that often. And it doesn’t leak out that much either
Sp Citicorp to your question: WT mechanics before wet spring classic races. Fluorescent Shimano grease is easy to spot in the chains.
On a more everyday use: well, if the degreaser can remove long-chain hydrocarbon thick grease, very likely it will easily remove dirty oil.
who the heck uses chain cleaner being used to clean up grease, also for grease, most past can be wiped clean, or old grease can be purged, those parts dont need to be 100% clean, the only time you might use degreaser on a non chain is if you are refurbishing shifters
Do you use grease on your drivetrain?
Would brake cleaner work just as well as degreaser?
absolutely no. brake cleaner is a very aggressive solvent meant to dissolve the asbestos shavings from the disc brake. dont use it on your chain
i think it's time to be famously underwhelmed
I hear from Henry that water is biodegradable. Amusing. Very.
And why no washing up liquid? Because its cheap and works but don't sponsor channel maybe?
Very SLICK video Henry 😜
Great BREAKDOWN of what decreases do 😜
Short but sweet great work #GMBNTech 😎👊
So use dishwasher soap.. knew it.
2:45 looks more like fake worm fishing bate.
Only promoting the brand. Never use A degreaser to clean your bike. Non harsh car soap will work wonders on the whole bike. Oh and it will leave it nice and shiny.
You should be trying to do this with wax or lube
I'bought once mucoff chaine lube.
The excess smell of lemon gave me the nausea XD
I endend to give it to a friend. I don't tkink I will by this brand again. XD
Nearly all biodegradable degreaser is citrus based. Other brands will be the same, unless you use some industrial automotive stuff.
@@graysonadams2485 Muc Off scent their products, personally I quite like the smells. So even the tyre sealant smells fruity.
Fairy liquid as bike wash, screwfix degreaser for drive train. 1/4 the cash and every bit as good, if not better.
I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, I agree that it works well. The biodegradability is something to keep in mind too. Washing up liquid really isn't great for ground water or the organisms living from it.
Guys, use auto brake cleaner... Not this expensive sht
If my wife catches me watching these sort of videos I quickly flick channels to some p*rn 😂😂😂
Well obviously it degreases I mean come on it's right in the name.
This video told me absolutely nothing
One was floating, the other was floating and the last one sank. It’s all about density
Hmm Surely title should be either,
'What does a degreaser do'
or
'what do degreasers do'
Not trying to be a grammar nazi.
Right, back to the video....
I thought degreaser's uncountable ?
The tireless pursuit of pointless pedantry
Dũng Lê Văn Yeah, it’s a noncount noun - nothing wrong with the title: ”What does water do?” / ”What does degreaser do?”
Of course they are better than water lol, what a pointless video, basically a muc-off ad.
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