@Hulk1566 basically if someone is attacking you with the first or second hit in their jab combo but you hit them with an aerial attack or a special you won't both get hit only they will get hit. The jab moves will have the LOWEST priority of 1. While the other moves will have priority of 2 or 3 with 3 being the highest priority
@@Hulk1566 ramxenoc explained it pretty well but another thing to make note of is that for a LOT of characters, their best move to start combos with is almost always their jab attack, and jab attacks are generally have very big hitboxes in this game so they’re hard to avoid, which means sometimes games are just “try for jab, dodge, try for jab, dodge, jab jab, etc”. This change directly makes it safer to combat jabs instead of dodging, making the game less campy and more combative. It also rewards more unique and expressive gameplay as it’s now safer to start combos from different approaches, like aerial attacks, so you will start to see a lot more personality in the game imo.
@@Yeahoksurewhatever The video never references moves. It says if you're bounced off the ground twice in a combo you automatically tech. Jake's down air will be completely unusable (except for edgeguarding) according to the phrasing in the video.
make hitbox data available in training mode please, and just like fortnite, all weekly missions should stack, as to not disincentivize players who are arriving late to a season.
Yeah I agree this would be great cause I couldn’t play for a week cause I was at a trip to Mexico when it dropped so others were way ahead while I was struggling to grind up to where others already gotten
Two main new changes I’m liking soo far is the ground teching and wall fatigue. Absolutely love those changes cause there’s been tons of matches where players camp on the ledge waiting for u to do something so glad that’s there. Overall these are welcome changes so hoping to see more to actually help the game.
@@08diegobc Yeah that's my thing too it should be a button press like how smash does it. Heck even give it a really generous timing window and not use any dodge meter, but it being automatic just rewards not pushing buttons, which is very... odd
The problem is, camping on the wall is one of your only options to even recover. They need a ledge to grab. It's a needed change for the lighter assassin cast absolutly, this destroys the slower characters recovery options though, making them even worse.
While wall fatigue is a good thing... I really can't imagine playing vs Black Adam now, he was already impossible to avoid when you're off stage, now he'll be even worse
Fix hit boxes. Ill be behind samurai jack and get hit by his forward attack. And then ill be far enough for my opponents hits to not land and i be getting hit from a mile away
@@DeviousDoomRIVALSthe game wasn't just ported to UE5, they had to make from scratch again due to some stuff from the beta bugged cause it was not being compatible with the new engine so they're adding back beta stuff step by step after it got tested. Well thats what I heard.
The wall clinging update sounds good in theory, but it's been instances where I am literally unable to get back onto the stage just because of the ledge trapping options from so many characters . If I'm hanging out on the wall it's usually literally because I don't have a choice
Will there be event reworks to be more manageable for casuals who dont have that much time to play in a week or dont like playing PVP Events in season 1 were perfect because if you only liked playing rifts you could still enjoy the game while getting to complete all the events at a relatively quick pace.
The tech shouldn't be automatic and just affect only ground bounces but wall bounces as well. You should be able to attempt a tech whenever your bounced
Beta was more fun unfortunately… Where is the toast back button? Where is the bonus xp for taking a break? And it would be nice if the movement was faster.
Most likely the Titans will have original designs like the other DC characters, with variants from the shows. Think default Batman and the animated series skin.
Tbh I don't think the Titans design won't be based on either of TT nor TTG, it'll most likely be a slightly cartoonified version of they original comic book design so they can blend with the other dc characters
This is a huge step in the right direction! Now if only we could have universal blocking, that would make for greater defensive options. Dodging isn't enough especially when it comes to movement where it's shorter and isn't as effective once it runs out. At least from my experience, I tend to have trouble escaping bad situations.
Nononono its keep him broken the #1 jake in ranked all he does is spam bite and win Dont get me wrong he needs buffs in other moves but that one is not ok
I think we did get it.. there just isn’t a pop up yet. I tried it in lab with Morty’s hammer spin or Banana guards dash, and it seems to not take as much damage the more you use it. there was also this Morty trying to KO me while spinning his hammer move over and over again I realise I was slowly not getting knockback as much as I was the first couple of times he was spamming it
Great vid. Just putting it out there, it would be cool if you could also do one showcasing the character changes.i know the streamers do that but having an official showcase would be nice too.
I wish that ground tech came with a button input (holding dodge and a direction) instead of happening automatically. Super noob friendly that you get a free defensive mechanic without touching anything on your controller lol
Exactly jokers will still be able to spam that same combo it’s like they are afraid of adding back the beta attack decay matches will still be spam matches
We don't cuz either be good with the character or stay in the lobby. Third option is that keep learning about your character and take the loss until you get better 🤦♂️
There's a lot of good here. I love the autoteching for the sake of pre-emptively nerfing unintended infinites any characters may have in the future, and while I don't agree with jab priority being taken away (as jab is conceptually supposed to be a fast, safe option WITH high priority; if you want to nerf it, it'd be better to nerf the reward you get off of it then being able to land it in the first place), I think the introduction of the new methods of movement can create a neutral environment where other moves might be deserving of having a higher level of priority. But the wall decay is a HUGE L. Trying to recover was already one of the most disadvantageous positions you can be in, and having one, or God forbid two, player(s) just camping ledge ready to invalidate whichever approach you took was so oppressive that being able to be patient and wait for a proper opening or mind game your opponent was one of the big pluses this game had over something like Smash for example. You could play more defensively when you were at a disadvantage and had more options available to you where you were at a critical juncture like that about to die, and perhaps even more importantly, because of how wall grabbing worked, you would either have time to observe your opponent's movements to choose to best option unless they made a risky gamble in an attempt to jump after you to not give you the time to do so. There's exceptions to this being good of course, I KNOW the stupid stuff Marvin can do jumping off wall and angling up air towards the stage over and over, but making a generally disadvantageous position like that even worse is not going to feel fun to play. Jumping up the wall was already significantly more time consuming then it was in the beta so ledge camping was already much easier for the on-stage player, and now this? Biiiiig ouch.
People would complain how the game felt slow with a less sense of priority after coming back from the beta. All of these changes, the game would feel significantly slower and have lesser manuverability, possibly adding another minute on average on fights will feel awkward to a lot of movesets. They're punishing us for dodge canceling when a lot of us use it for combos while punishing us for being thrown to a wall to wall guard. Ground autotech sounds very stupid. The game is incredibly slow. You can have enough time to process which direction a player may head and have the ability to still punish them by ground and, if not aerial. Due to it, allowing moves that hit horizontally to moves that hit vertically allows for new combos. It all adds up to lesser opportunities for lesser skilled players. I think this will benefit jason, iron giant, morty, and lebron. It could tear apart garnet and jake.
The dodge should be a purely defensive mechanic with a very long recovery but large distance that it covers, however the DASH mechanic should be the aggressive/fast movement mechanic without any invincibility that allows you to cancel it into an attack.
For real though, why is that string still there? It's been there since launch and it was never there in beta. Do they just not know how to disable it? It looks so tacky for a finished / launch game to have a random version string visible all the time
@@ElecManEXE Very good question and it's sort of why I didn't ask for it to be removed, more so a question of how hard it is to remove. If you don't know, during the time MultiVersus was offline, Player First Games were tasked to change the engine from Unreal Engine 4 to Unreal Engine 5. Now, as you may have guessed, that is extremely hard to do, so I guess stuff like the string and typos were left there, due to being afterthoughts, basically
With the new changes with auto teching, Steven receives yet another nerf. Glad that I can't bounce opponents off my shield for combos now, really cool!
He's honestly just losing in everything, it's like a repeat of the first game where he got nerfed EVERY PATCH, and on top of that they gave us that ugly pink diamond skin, just why
@Ryuk_FR Bro, they nerfed him the last 2 patches. What more do you want them to do? Make all his attacks 8 frames slower on whiffed attacks and make them come out 1 frame later? I can't use my jab to confirm into stuff, but damn near every other character in the cast can combo out of their jabs.
It may be SPECIFICALLY on the ground. So bouncing off up and side shields SHOULD still work fine. Just not stuck bouncing endlessly anymore. At least that's how I'm hoping it works with Steven's shields.
@CharTheChair Its gonna hurt him a ton because depending on the position you Neutral Air your opponent, they're going to bounce onto the ground. You can't use Down Air for the second hit of that combo without triggering a tech, and depending on the character you're fighting, they can punish you before you can use a follow up attack. They removed endless bouncing off of shields last patch. You can only bounce off of his shields 3 times before they disappear, so now his options for combos are limited even more now. You can't afford to whiff Neutral Air to be aggressive because you're going to get combod to hell and back. Steven's fastest active move is his Jab at Frame 12, which is stubby as all hell and can't reliability combo into Up Tilt like 98% of the cast can, and THAT JUST GOT WORSE BECAUSE NOW EVERYTHING THAT ISNT A JAB BEATS IT OUT. Just let me enjoy playing my character without him getting the Velma treatment because Smash Veterans have PTSD from funny block man spawning platforms.
Those dodge lands are actually coming in clutch. I’ve gotten punished SOOOO many times for trying to dodge off a platform but it just sticks me there instead of dodging off of it
Oh yeah. And Taz too, while we're buffing characters who don't need the buffs, While Morty gets even worse. Jokers rng card that is already rare becomes only once per day and I'm sure Iron Giant will STILL not just be shrank to about half the size to fix his real issue and make him a more fun fighter to go against and play as, instead they'll just throw another list of nerfs on him that will do jack all. xD
Great. Keep making it harder for characters without weapons/armor. Who did the heavier weight screw over? Batman. down to 3 stacks of weakness, who does this screw over? Batman? Additional wall fatigue, well I guess I'll just fistfight Taz's smoke and tornado now. My main gets worse and worse with every patch.
I like that ground teching is a thing now, but making it trigger automatically after being ground bounced twice just seems like a bizarre twist on what's usually a pretty straightforward mechanic in platform fighters. I thought that if they ever introduced teching into the game, they would make it function similarly to Smash where you input dodge as you hit the ground/wall to activate the tech. And I figured they would make it cost some dodge meter in order to give it a tradeoff and not make ground bounce combos obsolete. In my opinion, making the tech trigger automatically removes agency from both the player doing the combo and the player being combo'd. The player doing the combo is no longer able to do ANY combos with more than one ground bounce, which restricts combo freedom and player expression, and the player being combo'd is now forced to tech on the 2nd bounce in a combo which might put them in a position they didn't want to be in. All in all, auto tech feels less like a new and interesting defensive mechanic and more like an attempted "solution" to long combos.
I feel like the auto tech is a good opportunity for newer players and to prevent any infinites that can't be escaped, In the future, they might allow an extra bounce before the auto tech for more expression, but this game is a mess and a normal teching system might be a bit absurd for this type of game, perhaps making it where the auto tech happens later on but allowing manual teching situations earlier might help
thank god they added the ground tech, felt more like you lose to the character than the player playing him when they spike and up aerial you in the middle of the damn stage
@@08diegobc I disagree I think it’s really helpful for pesky combos that keep you on the ground which can help against characters like bugs bunny and jake ( I mean do you see what bugs bunny players due to The iron giant players it’s crazy ) but yeah it’s a ground combo it’s a literally near impossible to escape it
So many little changes always needed to make this engine work and feel fun. Never seen a plat fighter change so many universal mechanics the way MVS does. Can’t tell if that’s a good or bad thing.
I assume that would be exempted from the mechanic in some way since it's the intended function of the move, but I would not at all be surprised if it's overlooked at first when the patch launches tomorrow.
Forced teching is way too hand holdy, make it a command. And losing specials from wall fatigue is a huge nerf to heavy characters, give us a ledge to grab so we can actually get back on stage. We spam on the wall right because it's the only option to get back on.
"Move priority" Oh, time to relearn my character then... Ground tech is AWESOME though, 11/10 addition. The Dodge Cancels are also really nice to have for movement.
I like these changes, especially the wavedashing, the only change I would love to see now is the matchmaking in ranked being changed to at least consider the rank your in so that bronze/ silver players don’t have to play vs play/ diamond if their hiding mmr is to high.
This game is the perfect example of overthinking your product. Imagine pulling your title after setting the steam record for fighting game active players because you half baked it and thought you can retain the base. It's really a shame this game is going to die but it definitely is.
@PopularNobody Just remember that mk1 one of the biggest fighting games in the world has a average of 2,051 players within a year yall love talking about steam player counts forgetting most fighting games are played through console
@@ky2169no it ain't it's PC, people will move on the next popular thing. This ain't Brawlhalla where it's going to a be cult thing. Console players ride the trend of a game and move on.
@@phantomgamer9264 its a fact that the fgc is bigger in console, there is games that has 0 crossplay with his steam servers dead but in console having players to this day
@phantomgamer9264 You see how unfair and negative your comment is basically giving the game zero hope and most of the players are console and it’s a console game that can be played on pc just like how brawl is a console game that can be played on pc by the way it took brawl like a year or two just to get right and people 7years later still have issues with it
And I’m not saying this game can’t die but for some reason this game is given zero hope outside its core fan base no matter how many gameplay changes they make or how many times they implement what the player base wants
I swear the jab changes with priority hitboxes is the biggest thing in the update
I'm having a hard time understanding what it means tho
@Hulk1566 basically if someone is attacking you with the first or second hit in their jab combo but you hit them with an aerial attack or a special you won't both get hit only they will get hit. The jab moves will have the LOWEST priority of 1. While the other moves will have priority of 2 or 3 with 3 being the highest priority
@@Hulk1566people cant just run and bait jabs anymore if u make an input first
@@Hulk1566 ramxenoc explained it pretty well but another thing to make note of is that for a LOT of characters, their best move to start combos with is almost always their jab attack, and jab attacks are generally have very big hitboxes in this game so they’re hard to avoid, which means sometimes games are just “try for jab, dodge, try for jab, dodge, jab jab, etc”.
This change directly makes it safer to combat jabs instead of dodging, making the game less campy and more combative. It also rewards more unique and expressive gameplay as it’s now safer to start combos from different approaches, like aerial attacks, so you will start to see a lot more personality in the game imo.
@@Ramxenoc I see. Thank you
This steady approach to content and balance changes is exactly what the game needs. These videos are a nice touch and go a long way.
4:12 hoping you guys tested jakes down air before making that final
Jake's skateboard only counts as "1 move" even though it has 3 hits to it
@@Yeahoksurewhatever The video never references moves. It says if you're bounced off the ground twice in a combo you automatically tech. Jake's down air will be completely unusable (except for edgeguarding) according to the phrasing in the video.
It's so over.
Yet again, Jake mains left out to suffer
Hopefully they added an exception for that
YOOO WAVEDASHING IN MULTIVERSUS
Really?
Melee gang rise up
it was already in the game during the beta shut up
@@zkrvoBut it was removed, so
YOOO WAVEDASHING IN MULTIVERSUS
That's more like a wavelanding but ok
make hitbox data available in training mode please, and just like fortnite, all weekly missions should stack, as to not disincentivize players who are arriving late to a season.
They do stack! However yes need hitboxes
Dailies stack but weeklies no
Yeah I agree this would be great cause I couldn’t play for a week cause I was at a trip to Mexico when it dropped so others were way ahead while I was struggling to grind up to where others already gotten
Weeklies stack.
1:29 they really took voids tech and made it a mechanic im crying (not a bad thing its good theyre paying attention)
Lmao 😂
It's a good thing. It's like Smash doing the same thing
Yeah it's awesome. They made improvements to the base game
@@Astro_771 stop laughing
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 never said it was a bad thing
Two main new changes I’m liking soo far is the ground teching and wall fatigue. Absolutely love those changes cause there’s been tons of matches where players camp on the ledge waiting for u to do something so glad that’s there. Overall these are welcome changes so hoping to see more to actually help the game.
Agreed
Wall fatigue is a must, the AUTOMATIC teching is not bad but I’d love for it not to be automatic BCS it feels like it’s nerfing mechanical skill.
@@08diegobc Yeah that's my thing too it should be a button press like how smash does it. Heck even give it a really generous timing window and not use any dodge meter, but it being automatic just rewards not pushing buttons, which is very... odd
The ground tech is going to make my main Jason a demon now !
The problem is, camping on the wall is one of your only options to even recover. They need a ledge to grab. It's a needed change for the lighter assassin cast absolutly, this destroys the slower characters recovery options though, making them even worse.
While wall fatigue is a good thing... I really can't imagine playing vs Black Adam now, he was already impossible to avoid when you're off stage, now he'll be even worse
I’m glad for the change, especially for joker and wonder woman no more hanging out all day on the ledge and I main black Adam
Adam? have u tried being edge guarded w jason ny Marvin or rein dog? this will be hell now 😢
@@raymond2009v as i said, the change is good, but Adam deserves a change as well
@@konstantinivanov1717he needs to be nerfed to the fuckin ground
It's ups & downs it'll change everything for everyone but hopefully they also nerf characters that will only abuse others even more cuz of this
I love that bounce escape option! Just realized how much I hate not being able to escape those :D
nah
Fix hit boxes. Ill be behind samurai jack and get hit by his forward attack. And then ill be far enough for my opponents hits to not land and i be getting hit from a mile away
This game will only die if the community lets it.
That's deep but true!
Nah the community has done more than enough supporting for this game, if this game dies it’s completely on the devs
So... the community will die lmfao
The community is gone. This game sucks
I hope it has a brawlhalla effect where is mid on start but later it becomes a good game
This might be the greatest patch in the games history, from beta to now.
lol they’re literally just adding things that were in the beta in the first place
@@zkrvothat would be cool u know if they were adding things from beta
These are kids praising things they should have already have shit is so sad@@zkrvo
@@DeviousDoomRIVALSthe game wasn't just ported to UE5, they had to make from scratch again due to some stuff from the beta bugged cause it was not being compatible with the new engine so they're adding back beta stuff step by step after it got tested.
Well thats what I heard.
@@phantomgamer9264 fr man
The wall clinging update sounds good in theory, but it's been instances where I am literally unable to get back onto the stage just because of the ledge trapping options from so many characters . If I'm hanging out on the wall it's usually literally because I don't have a choice
They want to cater to people spamming the same moves man hence why attack decay does not exist anymore
Don’t go offstage bro
Thanks for the update video, Nakat!
Nadog would’ve kept these changes a secret.
They’ll do anything but increase movement speed & lower hitstun 😭😭
Good changes overall, just looking for the more major overhaul before returning
Nice to see some new updates! Thanks, Nakat for showing us the updates
Will there be event reworks to be more manageable for casuals who dont have that much time to play in a week or dont like playing PVP Events in season 1 were perfect because if you only liked playing rifts you could still enjoy the game while getting to complete all the events at a relatively quick pace.
These are solid changes. Thanks for the rundown. 👍
The tech shouldn't be automatic and just affect only ground bounces but wall bounces as well. You should be able to attempt a tech whenever your bounced
Like bruh most of the roster don’t even got ground bounce combos shit is useless most combos are in the air
@@HenrySuggs-by5nd tf so many characters have ground bounce combos are u ok
No amount of combat changes will make up for lack of fun items, weapons, and a more exciting soundtrack. Get some guest composers.
Beta was more fun unfortunately… Where is the toast back button? Where is the bonus xp for taking a break? And it would be nice if the movement was faster.
They made the movement better last patch trust me. And the wave dashing should help as well
@@matthewosterman9030 It's still sluggish as hell, game just isn't fun
@@Nothyn convinced your not even playing it. Game feels great now
@@matthewosterman9030 just bc your opinions doesnt align does not mean it isnt true for him personally. this last update probably helped but still...
@@riotfist9747 the game literally isn’t slow anymore bro lol
Smothering small but I LOVE the effects y’all added for dodge attacks and techs
2003 Titans for the Playable Titans in MVS... please not the Go titans...
We gonna get the Go titans and the '03s as variants with mockingly over-serious voice lines 😐
Most likely the Titans will have original designs like the other DC characters, with variants from the shows. Think default Batman and the animated series skin.
I feel like they can do both
'03 Raven to represent the OG Titans
And Go Robin to represent the Go ones (ngl I kinda want Go Robin)
Tbh I don't think the Titans design won't be based on either of TT nor TTG, it'll most likely be a slightly cartoonified version of they original comic book design so they can blend with the other dc characters
My uncle works at player first games, I'll let him know.
This is a huge step in the right direction! Now if only we could have universal blocking, that would make for greater defensive options. Dodging isn't enough especially when it comes to movement where it's shorter and isn't as effective once it runs out. At least from my experience, I tend to have trouble escaping bad situations.
You can still dodge when you're out of a dodge meter. It's not limiting at all.
@@wrydstepbr0_0 I kinda rephrased that wrong, my bad.
auto tech is the death of joker down and jake's skate ?
Both where unfair chains joker could kill u and jake too if he follow it with a bite
@@jonathanchavez8881Jake needs anything he can get tbh
Yeah but they need to nerf bite somehow
@@jonathanchavez8881 ye that move single-handedly keeping Jake alive
Nononono its keep him broken the #1 jake in ranked all he does is spam bite and win
Dont get me wrong he needs buffs in other moves but that one is not ok
Great changes! I still wanna see block / shields from Smash being added, though. And also bring back the old Attack Decay.
Are we getting attack decay back?? Like the Special spam is bad
I think we did get it.. there just isn’t a pop up yet. I tried it in lab with Morty’s hammer spin or Banana guards dash, and it seems to not take as much damage the more you use it. there was also this Morty trying to KO me while spinning his hammer move over and over again I realise I was slowly not getting knockback as much as I was the first couple of times he was spamming it
We def need this to be a thing again. People love to spam one move over and over and honestly it’s annoying af
Great vid. Just putting it out there, it would be cool if you could also do one showcasing the character changes.i know the streamers do that but having an official showcase would be nice too.
We can do map voting?
I wish that ground tech came with a button input (holding dodge and a direction) instead of happening automatically. Super noob friendly that you get a free defensive mechanic without touching anything on your controller lol
don't know if this is going to make me come back but those are good changes
Its a lot more than that if u like the game u will be here as simple as that
@@jonathanchavez8881I like the game but it’s mind numbing to play sometimes, especially rifts and going for challenges/events
U dont need to unless u want the cosmetics, i love the game even if people want it dead i will be the last to leave it
@@Ottaped rifts aren't hard to do this season takes me like 5 min to do the daily challenge and got my gems to lvl 9
@@jonathanchavez8881thats good for you but lets be honest the game has so many problems whether you LIKE it or NOT
I liked being able to fight off stage and cling to walls for patient play. The time of the wall cling was reduced way too much.
we are eating so good this patch
YOU CAN FINALLY TECH, HOLY MOLY! AND ALSO WAVEDASHING. I AM CRYING TEARS OF JOY!
Did you guys already forgot about the stun? This is more of a memory game than a platform fighter now because of all the stunlock 0-death combos.
Dodge Lands already existed in game, but it was kinda a hidden feature.
these are really good changes. keep an eye on the automatic tech tho
The dodge meter is going to kill some people
While I do like the wall fatigue as a whole, as a Garnet main it means Marvin just wins if he gets me on ledge sadly.
i never have been punished being bounced on the ground. i feel alwasy i ended being juhggled is in the air. specially by finns, and jokers
the only combo i remember is from bugs bunny and that only has 3 bounces at 0%
@@minetest9 so that make this a... Bugs nerf?
Exactly jokers will still be able to spam that same combo it’s like they are afraid of adding back the beta attack decay matches will still be spam matches
Techs and wavelanding? We boutta play meleeversus let’s go boys we eating💪🏾
We need being able to change your character between rematches back
Nah
Nah
Yes
Nope
We don't cuz either be good with the character or stay in the lobby. Third option is that keep learning about your character and take the loss until you get better 🤦♂️
Good stuff, can't wait to get back home and play dis
There's a lot of good here. I love the autoteching for the sake of pre-emptively nerfing unintended infinites any characters may have in the future, and while I don't agree with jab priority being taken away (as jab is conceptually supposed to be a fast, safe option WITH high priority; if you want to nerf it, it'd be better to nerf the reward you get off of it then being able to land it in the first place), I think the introduction of the new methods of movement can create a neutral environment where other moves might be deserving of having a higher level of priority.
But the wall decay is a HUGE L. Trying to recover was already one of the most disadvantageous positions you can be in, and having one, or God forbid two, player(s) just camping ledge ready to invalidate whichever approach you took was so oppressive that being able to be patient and wait for a proper opening or mind game your opponent was one of the big pluses this game had over something like Smash for example. You could play more defensively when you were at a disadvantage and had more options available to you where you were at a critical juncture like that about to die, and perhaps even more importantly, because of how wall grabbing worked, you would either have time to observe your opponent's movements to choose to best option unless they made a risky gamble in an attempt to jump after you to not give you the time to do so. There's exceptions to this being good of course, I KNOW the stupid stuff Marvin can do jumping off wall and angling up air towards the stage over and over, but making a generally disadvantageous position like that even worse is not going to feel fun to play. Jumping up the wall was already significantly more time consuming then it was in the beta so ledge camping was already much easier for the on-stage player, and now this? Biiiiig ouch.
People would complain how the game felt slow with a less sense of priority after coming back from the beta. All of these changes, the game would feel significantly slower and have lesser manuverability, possibly adding another minute on average on fights will feel awkward to a lot of movesets. They're punishing us for dodge canceling when a lot of us use it for combos while punishing us for being thrown to a wall to wall guard. Ground autotech sounds very stupid. The game is incredibly slow. You can have enough time to process which direction a player may head and have the ability to still punish them by ground and, if not aerial. Due to it, allowing moves that hit horizontally to moves that hit vertically allows for new combos. It all adds up to lesser opportunities for lesser skilled players. I think this will benefit jason, iron giant, morty, and lebron. It could tear apart garnet and jake.
Hit boxes priority and Ground Tech, I don't know what to think about that. Let's play and see.
Are we gonna talk about the Teen Titans Tower? Who is it, the '06 team or you-know-who?
It’s go
Also grow tf up TTG is 11 years old
It’s been over a decade lil’ bro get over the fact that TTG is successful
@@dietdorito4566 Aren't they hated?
@@ChocoAlmond Successful is not what it looks like...
@@ChocoAlmond So was _Twilight_ and _50 Shades of Gray,_ but that doesn't mean it was good.
The dodge should be a purely defensive mechanic with a very long recovery but large distance that it covers, however the DASH mechanic should be the aggressive/fast movement mechanic without any invincibility that allows you to cancel it into an attack.
Welp RIP to my fellow Marvin mains :(
So many people keep going "Wow they're adding wavedashing!" No actually, it's wavelanding there's a big difference
Love how they censored the numbers and text on the bottom left.
Like, at that point, how hard is it to just remove?
For real though, why is that string still there? It's been there since launch and it was never there in beta. Do they just not know how to disable it? It looks so tacky for a finished / launch game to have a random version string visible all the time
@@ElecManEXE Very good question and it's sort of why I didn't ask for it to be removed, more so a question of how hard it is to remove.
If you don't know, during the time MultiVersus was offline, Player First Games were tasked to change the engine from Unreal Engine 4 to Unreal Engine 5.
Now, as you may have guessed, that is extremely hard to do, so I guess stuff like the string and typos were left there, due to being afterthoughts, basically
Watching this makes me wctually want to return. Beta combat felt so much more polished glad to see some needed changes
3:17 YES THANK YOU
Yes I got to fucking tired of playing Garnet and having almost all of her attack options get beaten by everything
@@jamall7003She's not even B tier, skill issue tbh 😹🙏
@@le_m4cho965 it's not a skill issue if you have to mention what tier shes on. It's a character issue.
@@jamall7003 that move is laggy af, you can punish it
@@le_m4cho965 what move?
5:00 all T&J mains are crying so hard rn, and in so happy 😄
mfs love spamming that spike mid stage 😂
multiversus had so much potential but the devs listened to the wrong people and the game managed to die TWICE
Its not really dead
@@hshshsjyndjr6564 its dead.
I do like how they added wavedash and made attack cancel dodges less expensive.
With the new changes with auto teching, Steven receives yet another nerf. Glad that I can't bounce opponents off my shield for combos now, really cool!
He's honestly just losing in everything, it's like a repeat of the first game where he got nerfed EVERY PATCH, and on top of that they gave us that ugly pink diamond skin, just why
Steven needs nerfs anyway and he's not the fighter suffering the most from the auto tech change anyways...
@Ryuk_FR Bro, they nerfed him the last 2 patches. What more do you want them to do? Make all his attacks 8 frames slower on whiffed attacks and make them come out 1 frame later? I can't use my jab to confirm into stuff, but damn near every other character in the cast can combo out of their jabs.
It may be SPECIFICALLY on the ground. So bouncing off up and side shields SHOULD still work fine. Just not stuck bouncing endlessly anymore. At least that's how I'm hoping it works with Steven's shields.
@CharTheChair Its gonna hurt him a ton because depending on the position you Neutral Air your opponent, they're going to bounce onto the ground. You can't use Down Air for the second hit of that combo without triggering a tech, and depending on the character you're fighting, they can punish you before you can use a follow up attack.
They removed endless bouncing off of shields last patch. You can only bounce off of his shields 3 times before they disappear, so now his options for combos are limited even more now.
You can't afford to whiff Neutral Air to be aggressive because you're going to get combod to hell and back. Steven's fastest active move is his Jab at Frame 12, which is stubby as all hell and can't reliability combo into Up Tilt like 98% of the cast can, and THAT JUST GOT WORSE BECAUSE NOW EVERYTHING THAT ISNT A JAB BEATS IT OUT.
Just let me enjoy playing my character without him getting the Velma treatment because Smash Veterans have PTSD from funny block man spawning platforms.
What about speed movement overall ?? no future changes ??
Cool, they adding stuff really helped with the gameplay, can’t wait
Same also Finally a person who actually likes the game and doesn’t harass the devs
Same bro, im actually hyped for tomorrow
Those dodge lands are actually coming in clutch. I’ve gotten punished SOOOO many times for trying to dodge off a platform but it just sticks me there instead of dodging off of it
When will the patch notes be released I need to see if they buffed Garnet
Tomorrow
Oh yeah. And Taz too, while we're buffing characters who don't need the buffs, While Morty gets even worse. Jokers rng card that is already rare becomes only once per day and I'm sure Iron Giant will STILL not just be shrank to about half the size to fix his real issue and make him a more fun fighter to go against and play as, instead they'll just throw another list of nerfs on him that will do jack all. xD
@@SHMEGAF Taz doesn't need any buffs, literally got the most buffs last patch 🤨
@@SHMEGAFmorty is pretty much a top tier. Go camp some more you coward lol
Great. Keep making it harder for characters without weapons/armor.
Who did the heavier weight screw over? Batman.
down to 3 stacks of weakness, who does this screw over? Batman?
Additional wall fatigue, well I guess I'll just fistfight Taz's smoke and tornado now.
My main gets worse and worse with every patch.
Cant wait for Beetle Juice!!
I'm actually going to play this game now. It looks VERY cool with the wavedashing!!
I like that ground teching is a thing now, but making it trigger automatically after being ground bounced twice just seems like a bizarre twist on what's usually a pretty straightforward mechanic in platform fighters.
I thought that if they ever introduced teching into the game, they would make it function similarly to Smash where you input dodge as you hit the ground/wall to activate the tech. And I figured they would make it cost some dodge meter in order to give it a tradeoff and not make ground bounce combos obsolete.
In my opinion, making the tech trigger automatically removes agency from both the player doing the combo and the player being combo'd. The player doing the combo is no longer able to do ANY combos with more than one ground bounce, which restricts combo freedom and player expression, and the player being combo'd is now forced to tech on the 2nd bounce in a combo which might put them in a position they didn't want to be in.
All in all, auto tech feels less like a new and interesting defensive mechanic and more like an attempted "solution" to long combos.
I feel like the auto tech is a good opportunity for newer players and to prevent any infinites that can't be escaped,
In the future, they might allow an extra bounce before the auto tech for more expression, but this game is a mess and a normal teching system might be a bit absurd for this type of game, perhaps making it where the auto tech happens later on but allowing manual teching situations earlier might help
I feel like input techs in this game would be incredibly easy to do, so maybe it's not bad they're aiming to make it differently.
4:18 oooou definitely bringing bat flashbacks of Batman's carry combo from one end of the map to the other
Can we get a punishment for spamming?
thank god they added the ground tech, felt more like you lose to the character than the player playing him when they spike and up aerial you in the middle of the damn stage
I like the changes but I don't know about auto teching.
Exactly. That’s nerfing mechanical skill if the game just does it for you. They should at least let the players get the timing right in order to tech
@08diegobc Not only this, but what if I want to mix up my tech timing? It doesn't seem possible.
@@08diegobc I disagree I think it’s really helpful for pesky combos that keep you on the ground which can help against characters like bugs bunny and jake ( I mean do you see what bugs bunny players due to The iron giant players it’s crazy ) but yeah it’s a ground combo it’s a literally near impossible to escape it
Agreed until I played a Tom in plat and lost to loops… ggs tom😂
Instead of auto teaching they should just add teaching like smash, make it a skill instead
These changes are amazing, much appreciated 🙏🏽
hear me out.
Johnny Test
all moves have a sound effect walking crouching jumping whatever
+ a litteral whip attack
Sound effects the character
How much you want to bet thy ground tech will work on Jakes skateboard?
wall fatigue was much-needed
So many little changes always needed to make this engine work and feel fun. Never seen a plat fighter change so many universal mechanics the way MVS does. Can’t tell if that’s a good or bad thing.
4:12 so jake down air is garbage now?
Likely not, Jake's DAIR is technically one move
I assume that would be exempted from the mechanic in some way since it's the intended function of the move, but I would not at all be surprised if it's overlooked at first when the patch launches tomorrow.
The Jason edge guard is BACK!
TECHING? Goodbye Superman players 🗣️🔥
There’s none left
Forced teching is way too hand holdy, make it a command. And losing specials from wall fatigue is a huge nerf to heavy characters, give us a ledge to grab so we can actually get back on stage. We spam on the wall right because it's the only option to get back on.
WAVEDASHING AND WAVELANDING WE WON
love this sm for the game but it'd be great for like a 25% or 30% more in speed on the map still great changes
They KNEW what they were doing when showing Shaggy getting stabbed over and over again
He is the default bot in training? lol. Don't think too much into it kid.
2:30 you're literally using LeBron, just throw the damned ball down there!
I just want them to add back airs, tilts, and grabs
At that point you're almost just making smash again
This is not smash bros
Go play smash sped
"Move priority" Oh, time to relearn my character then...
Ground tech is AWESOME though, 11/10 addition. The Dodge Cancels are also really nice to have for movement.
not feeling this wave dashing ngl 😭
was in the game during the beta. idk why u want to play slowly as if ur underwater all the time it sucks
they'll deplete dodge meter doing so, let them get cooked
I like these changes, especially the wavedashing, the only change I would love to see now is the matchmaking in ranked being changed to at least consider the rank your in so that bronze/ silver players don’t have to play vs play/ diamond if their hiding mmr is to high.
Showtime
this single handedly makes me want to play the game again just because of the new movement
This game is the perfect example of overthinking your product. Imagine pulling your title after setting the steam record for fighting game active players because you half baked it and thought you can retain the base. It's really a shame this game is going to die but it definitely is.
@PopularNobody
Just remember that mk1 one of the biggest fighting games in the world has a average of 2,051 players within a year yall love talking about steam player counts forgetting most fighting games are played through console
@@ky2169no it ain't it's PC, people will move on the next popular thing. This ain't Brawlhalla where it's going to a be cult thing. Console players ride the trend of a game and move on.
@@phantomgamer9264 its a fact that the fgc is bigger in console, there is games that has 0 crossplay with his steam servers dead but in console having players to this day
@phantomgamer9264
You see how unfair and negative your comment is basically giving the game zero hope and most of the players are console and it’s a console game that can be played on pc just like how brawl is a console game that can be played on pc by the way it took brawl like a year or two just to get right and people 7years later still have issues with it
And I’m not saying this game can’t die but for some reason this game is given zero hope outside its core fan base no matter how many gameplay changes they make or how many times they implement what the player base wants
LEDGE FATIGUE FINALLY! Sick of Jasons just clinging on and getting a free 50-70 damage by merely challenging them
That Jack nerf can't come sooner
fr i am fed up with side smash
Nerf Samurai Jack if you're reading this Devs ‼️🗣
Bro he is so predictable and ez to counter (im a main samurai jack)
@@zefixolas that explains it lol
@@zefixolas u just roasted yourself defending your main even though you know he's broken
ur called player first games for a reason !!!!!!!!!! :::::::::::DDDDDDDDDDDD
Tell me you don't want us to play off-stage without telling me you don't want us to play off-stage. Simple, just make staying on the wall pointless.
Hope this changes make the game enjoyable and fun again for casual players you the ones like me that are below avarage in skill
Wave dashing? Ugh not every platform fighter has to be melee.
shut up
It's a good mechanic that's why a lot of plat fighters have . It makes this sluggishly slow game faster paced now
Excited to feel the changes!
Bring back beta attack decay
its till there
@@sablenarwhale3574 ‘beta’ attack decay is not what we have
All great changes! Keep them coming!
Keep listening to nakat to escalate the shutdown process
Yoooo this joint looking like smash thanks nakat
First. Also take iron giant out
No.