Some links to further guide your study: * Join my email list to be notified of future episodes: greatbooks.io * Full transcript: open.substack.com/pub/johnathanbi/p/transcript-for-christopher-kelly?r=l66v& Companion lectures & interviews: * Rousseau's first discourse lecture: ua-cam.com/video/C8ucJ29O1kM/v-deo.html Professor Kelly's Book (affiliate): * Rousseau as Author: amzn.to/4bX9JQD * My book notes: www.johnathanbi.com/p/rousseau-as-author-by-christopher TIMESTAMPS 00:00:00 0. Introduction 00:04:38 1. What is a Hero 00:20:40 2. Why Heroes are Dangerous 00:26:07 2. Why Society Needs Heroes 00:33:53 3. Why We Can’t Have Heroes in the Modern World 00:56:33 4. What are Alternatives to Heroes
Johnathan, you are really good at interviewing erudite thinkers. You're deeply knowledgeable, ask incisive questions, and allow the interviewee to complete their thoughts before interjecting.
Jonathan, your content has changed the way I conceptualize my inner world in a drastically (subjectively) positive way. Thanks for all the work you put in and hope you bear more fruits from your labor than I do.
just finished watching the series of girard and the memetic desire, just here to say please keep bringing this high quality videos, you are a light in this world of darkness.
I didn't want this one to end. Sublime. I'll be buying Rosseau's First Discourse and will finally getting around to reading The Social Contract which has been on my book shelf for a couple of years now. Thanks, Jonathan.
We're more technologically advanced than we are prone to use those advancements for radical good. In between incredible simplicity and complex motives lay being a hero.
What a great channel! Very thoughtful comments, and you're obviously a passionate philosopher, Johnathan I really hope you can be a bit gentler with yourself and also not interrupt this great philosopher and as much. General statements are not easy to make correct in all cases, and we needn't hold ourselves to that standard when discussing principles in the abstract Still, a thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyable conversation
Also, there is definitely a common fallacy in the assumptions that people act primarily out of their own character and not the context they are in. Of course the archetypical "hero" like Barack Obama, Elon Musk, or Andrew Jackson will generally have an outsized impact on the world. But is that impact beneficial for society? With a hero who has "a soul", more precisely more humanitarian goals like a Mother Teresa, Tony Robbins, MLK, Obama, Omidyar, etc. that heroic, glory seeking part can benefit society But on the other hand, the hero without as much of that virtuous archetype can do tremendous damage!! I would rather have the local ASPD, sociopath who just pranks their neighbors and doesn't tip generously than the likes of Andrew Jackson (if I were a native American) And also conversely, I'd much rather have the virtuous, self-sacrificing person as my teacher, parent, friend, coworker, family member, etc. than have Andrew Jackson anywhere Virtue ought to be the primary motivator, rather than glory, in most situations. And virtue should be tested in workplaces, certainly for public servants like doctors, teachers, police, firemen, politicians, etc.
I wish the guest had challenged you more on what feels like is your key takeaway from rosseau: that his concept of the hero can be understood as a way to legitimize selfishness in the business community and even taking it one step further, that we don’t go far enough as a society / culture to respect “heroes” in the entrepreneurial community. It’s an enormous leap as well as a wrong one. Despite that, this is still a great discussion. Though the affection for the Carlylian “great man” is never substantiated effectively.
What makes you think that’s my “key takeaway”? That was just one off handed example I threw in. Not that central to this interview considering most business people are motivated by greed not glory.
Hopefully. Although I think islam/middle east strictly falls under "western canon" ... abrahamic tradition + interfacing with aristotle/plato ... it was through islam that aristotle was recovered I believe in the west. So that will be part of this series.
Think about Achilles in Ifigenia. The Iliad may focus on his wrath, but he was raisen by Quiron, and his nobility at the play lead him to defy alone his own mirmidons to protect her. "Tell him to be an authentic man." Is her message for her kid brother. Achilles avenge Patroclos with rage but he's right when he argues to agamamnon about Criseides. Heros have nobility in their heart. It is all about beauty.
I could not agree more. The hero in my life is the Buddha. He has been the singular reason for me to focus on my bodily strength to improve my mental well-being. India no longer has the heroes of Krishna and The Buddha. China abandoned Confucius. The results are devastating.
I believe that that we need to shift more to the study of humanities rather than stem as the rise of AI automates technical know. Channels such as yours will be instrumental to educating this new generation of philosophers! Thanks!
when is the Hegel series? -- you can't have a series on modernity without Hegel; there's plenty of seasoned Hegelians: just don't get a Lacanian to dialogue if you want to keep it grounded.
Some links to further guide your study:
* Join my email list to be notified of future episodes: greatbooks.io
* Full transcript: open.substack.com/pub/johnathanbi/p/transcript-for-christopher-kelly?r=l66v&
Companion lectures & interviews:
* Rousseau's first discourse lecture: ua-cam.com/video/C8ucJ29O1kM/v-deo.html
Professor Kelly's Book (affiliate):
* Rousseau as Author: amzn.to/4bX9JQD
* My book notes: www.johnathanbi.com/p/rousseau-as-author-by-christopher
TIMESTAMPS
00:00:00 0. Introduction
00:04:38 1. What is a Hero
00:20:40 2. Why Heroes are Dangerous
00:26:07 2. Why Society Needs Heroes
00:33:53 3. Why We Can’t Have Heroes in the Modern World
00:56:33 4. What are Alternatives to Heroes
Johnathan, you are really good at interviewing erudite thinkers. You're deeply knowledgeable, ask incisive questions, and allow the interviewee to complete their thoughts before interjecting.
... or I'm just really good about cutting out the times where I do interject them :)
Never stop dropping lectures and these talks 💖
Never stop showing your support :) (thanks for these nice comments, they are motivating!)
Bravo! This is arguably one of the most intellectually stimulating interviews on UA-cam today. Great job, Jonathan! 😍
Really enjoy finding young people who make life clearer...TY
Jonathan, your content has changed the way I conceptualize my inner world in a drastically (subjectively) positive way. Thanks for all the work you put in and hope you bear more fruits from your labor than I do.
just finished watching the series of girard and the memetic desire, just here to say please keep bringing this high quality videos, you are a light in this world of darkness.
I didn't want this one to end. Sublime.
I'll be buying Rosseau's First Discourse and will finally getting around to reading The Social Contract which has been on my book shelf for a couple of years now.
Thanks, Jonathan.
Beautiful interview
Thank you! Very intelligent conversation!
A great interview ❤
you da real hero for this interview
Literally my #1 youtube channel
Hey John, i've been watchig all your recent videos, I've always wished to pursue a bachelors in philosophy and I get that feel here. Thanks for it
We're more technologically advanced than we are prone to use those advancements for radical good. In between incredible simplicity and complex motives lay being a hero.
Just found you today and I am hooked to your videos 👌👌👌
awesome video, congratulations and greetings from Brazil!!
Really enjoying your channel Johnathan. Came across your work from Robert Breedlove. Videos are well done with especially interesting content.
Great work Johnathan. Can we hear a lecture about Islamic philosophers? I just love the way of your story telling
What a great channel! Very thoughtful comments, and you're obviously a passionate philosopher, Johnathan
I really hope you can be a bit gentler with yourself and also not interrupt this great philosopher and as much. General statements are not easy to make correct in all cases, and we needn't hold ourselves to that standard when discussing principles in the abstract
Still, a thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyable conversation
Also, there is definitely a common fallacy in the assumptions that people act primarily out of their own character and not the context they are in.
Of course the archetypical "hero" like Barack Obama, Elon Musk, or Andrew Jackson will generally have an outsized impact on the world. But is that impact beneficial for society? With a hero who has "a soul", more precisely more humanitarian goals like a Mother Teresa, Tony Robbins, MLK, Obama, Omidyar, etc. that heroic, glory seeking part can benefit society
But on the other hand, the hero without as much of that virtuous archetype can do tremendous damage!! I would rather have the local ASPD, sociopath who just pranks their neighbors and doesn't tip generously than the likes of Andrew Jackson (if I were a native American)
And also conversely, I'd much rather have the virtuous, self-sacrificing person as my teacher, parent, friend, coworker, family member, etc. than have Andrew Jackson anywhere
Virtue ought to be the primary motivator, rather than glory, in most situations. And virtue should be tested in workplaces, certainly for public servants like doctors, teachers, police, firemen, politicians, etc.
Amazing channel 👏👏
I wish the guest had challenged you more on what feels like is your key takeaway from rosseau: that his concept of the hero can be understood as a way to legitimize selfishness in the business community and even taking it one step further, that we don’t go far enough as a society / culture to respect “heroes” in the entrepreneurial community. It’s an enormous leap as well as a wrong one. Despite that, this is still a great discussion. Though the affection for the Carlylian “great man” is never substantiated effectively.
I’m sorry “in Sparta, where they have proper morals” lol what?? You mean where they hunt slaves for sport?
What makes you think that’s my “key takeaway”? That was just one off handed example I threw in. Not that central to this interview considering most business people are motivated by greed not glory.
Can we expect the same lectures and interviews on eastern philosophies and the great books of ancient China, India, Islam, and the Middle East?
Hopefully. Although I think islam/middle east strictly falls under "western canon" ... abrahamic tradition + interfacing with aristotle/plato ... it was through islam that aristotle was recovered I believe in the west. So that will be part of this series.
This is amazing
Think about Achilles in Ifigenia. The Iliad may focus on his wrath, but he was raisen by Quiron, and his nobility at the play lead him to defy alone his own mirmidons to protect her. "Tell him to be an authentic man." Is her message for her kid brother. Achilles avenge Patroclos with rage but he's right when he argues to agamamnon about Criseides. Heros have nobility in their heart. It is all about beauty.
I could not agree more. The hero in my life is the Buddha. He has been the singular reason for me to focus on my bodily strength to improve my mental well-being. India no longer has the heroes of Krishna and The Buddha. China abandoned Confucius. The results are devastating.
We are in uncharted waters
What is the name of the classical background music?
🔒’d in
I believe that that we need to shift more to the study of humanities rather than stem as the rise of AI automates technical know. Channels such as yours will be instrumental to educating this new generation of philosophers! Thanks!
Wonderful but what is are the bullet points of what makes a good hero & what is virtue & wisdom? Feel like that was lost in the details.
when is the Hegel series? -- you can't have a series on modernity without Hegel; there's plenty of seasoned Hegelians: just don't get a Lacanian to dialogue if you want to keep it grounded.
Tell me who your heroes are, and I'll tell you who you are.
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no glory -> yes gg lories
It sounded like you said the greatest threat to society are memes. I was going to say you sound just like Hillary Clinton.