At least in pendulums you can run Amorphage Sloth to stop special summons from the extra deck. But over-all the deck would definitely screw itself over.
HeartlessWeegee2 unless you top deck Lysis AND Infection you're screwed because starting with both of those cards can lock down even a Blue-Eyes deck with the right scales and if you end up with two Infections on the field your monsters get huge while Lysis keeps the opponents small. Basically this deck is nothing but bricks and then that one lucky start
I can think of a couple more: Zefra Konami themselves were hyping the hell out of this deck. It was a cool concept, Pendulum support for other meta decks that were also a part of their own archetype, but while the deck is potentially powerful, it just didn't take off, especially when the meta decks tied to it got hit. *EDIT: this comment is old. I'm perfectly aware that Zefra is decent now.* Igknight: Does anyone remember the Igknight hype? First people were freaking out because of the potential combo with Key Beetle, but as soon as CORE came out, the ruling said it didn't work. Certain YugiTubers (coughcough) were still pushing it because "it can make Exodia or a powerful Champion Rhongo", but all the deck did was set a scale, pop them, and grab another Igknight. Majespecter: It's a good deck, but people expected it to be top tier. We had just got Pendulum Magicians, and we were getting hyped for PePe. Overall, the deck was outclassed, it wasn't aggressive enough, and it didn't become top tier like everyone said it would.
Igknight didn't really have a place for Metalfoes to take. They're not a *_bad deck_*, but they lacked a true win condition. They gathered a ton of monsters, but there wasn't a lot they could do with them besides going into Rhongomyniad. Kirin didn't get limited because of the Majespecter archetype, it was more because every _other_ Pendulum based deck could abuse it, typically Odd-Eyes Performapal.
Nah dude.....I made plenty of awesome Igknight decks, one of which is a pure Igknight OTK deck, so they are definitely good. But, just like other decks traps are an issue...
make a video called "who summoned it better?" go through some xyz monsters, synchros, and fusions that were used more in every other deck, than the one it was intended for :)
Red-Eyes. People were so hyped about Red-Eyes, to the point that it was too expensive to buy, yet about 3 months after it came out it dropped off the face of the planet. I'd call that an overhyped flop.
Still is expensive. Have topped with it. Just had a few wins with it on YGOpro. Not the best deck, I admit it can suck most modern deck's cocks, but still - not in C category. A B-deck for sure, and absolutely not worth the price. But the deck itself is full of holdbacks. I'm a dedicated RE player, it's my favorite deck, thus I realize it's flaws, like taking away my special summons with it's best cards, it being slow, not having propper tuners, etc. But the hype for it was never that big, at least when it came over here. I came back into the game for it, but from all the other people in my area, just one had made the deck and gave up on it. And then I got monarchs, because... well, monarchs cost 1/5 of Red Eyes and won 5 times more than Red-Eyes. But still, RE4Life, even though Konami doesn't want to make a it a main deck, even though it goes against the philosophy of Red-Eyes as a symbol. The idea was that it has potential, while Blue-Eyes has power. So sure, it has potential, but not the potential to win consistently.
tbh it was doing really well it is just that people saw the new blue eyes support and people rather play a deck with free summons and broken abilities rather than a rank 7 combo deck.
Stanislav Serbezov Didn't Kazuki Takahashi abandon "Blue-Eyes is power, Red-Eyes is potential" years ago when he created Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon, thus giving Blue-Eyes the biggest "potential" Fusion as opposed to the original symbols of "Red-Eyes B. Dragon's potential", B. Meteor Dragon and B. Skull Dragon? The Red-Eyes archetype as a whole eventually got a new identity as a Burn archetype that has basically stuck with it ever since.
Paul, you are incredibly smart. You can just tell by the way you talk about things and carry yourself. If you applied as much effort as you do in yugioh into a business or company, you would do extremely well. I feel like any big business would benefit from having you on any team. Not sure if you have a LinkedIn account,
Thank you! I haven't really heard that in comment before, but I'm glad I come off that way. If life goes as planned, I will be able to put my head to use in a business or company and see some big results. Reading that and knowing that somebody noticed really made my day! :)
um dude i WOULD count that based on when it was released back in late 2015, it didnt do anything. your logic makes no sense and is completely "what if" and "maybe". i play the deck but seriously it flopped hard no one can argue that because no takes the deck seriously to begin with.
Pepe didn't come out of nowhere. Everyone knew it was going to be good for months and months, pretty much from the moment we knew that Pendulum Sorcerer and Skullcrobat were both getting printed.
Here's my pick for the list, Majespecters. Everyone was like "OMG, can't be targeted, can't be destroyed by card effects and they are pendulums, they stop your opponent from playing the game so broke!" but in the end the archetype didn't manage to keep up with the meta.
We don't play in the OCG, we play in the TCG. They may have been a succes in the OCG but Majespecters were dreadfully overhyped as the next top tier archetype for the TCG.
What about Majespecter? That deck was SO hyped. People legit thought that Kozmo would do poorly due to a poor Majespecter match-up (Which is ludicrous. Best majes match-up in the game).
I mean that it was very often held up with Kozmo and Monarchs as one of THE decks of the format, then topped a total of 18 times to date (15 of which were hybrids) compared to, say, Kozmo with 173.
I have to agree to disagree on Harpies. They made a few tops and are really consistent ever since crossed souls. I never brick with them, by which I mean I always have the cards to drop an xyz every turn. Their combos can be stopped, but not as easily if you run divine wind. It's not the best, but it's good. I still think Amorphages were overhyped, as well as the nostalgia decks that aren't blue eyes.
nostalgia decks? dark worlds six samurais Cyber Dragon Monarchs all came out hella days ago and it got support years later and slaughtered... so no Nalstalgia decks aren't all flops
also maxx c is limit on2, you didnt see veiler often and the backround will be destroyed by the fiel spell. Its rare that i have problems to get the eff of channeler.
Other reason for why Mecha Phantom Beast "Flopped" : Bujintei Susanowo There was no way in hell for MPB to win against Bujins match up Draw Muscle would've helped , but it came too late :(
They implode against themselves it seems like. I played against a Kaiju player and I used the Gamaciel he summoned on my board against him. (Forgot the eff, but it requires Kaiju tokens so the eff only applies within a Kaiju deck)
Doge Skillet gameciel is the one that negates alot of things at the cost of tokens. I played Kaijus a bit and I always had to remember to never give my opponent gameciel unless I was positive I could beat it down immediately
I like the playstyle of harpies, but when built well the deck has to be almost completely attack minded. The deck becomes shit when people try to be clever and tech stuff that slows it down. The deck is a swarm deck, if you're not spamming harpies like mad when playing it then you're doing it wrong. the Harpie decks that struggle are the ones that are obsessed with cards like Magical Hats, Anti-Spell fragrance etc. The game is too fast to main stuff like that. Against the meta decks (which are objectively better than you), you need to blow them away with summons and a quick swing with party/instant fusion/channeler to cause an upset, and quickly.
I've seen that deck rock. Konami are making their damnest to make it equal to Blue-Eyes. Slowly but surely, it's gonna be a Tier 0 deck, because marketing. It's gonna take them some time though, because them 3k beaters ain't gonna wait.
Noble Knights may have had a really mixed hype from the player base but Konami made a big deal out of them at the time, atleast. Since they took that inadvertent 'tellah knight hit (RoTa at 1) they lost all alot of consistency, they brick and Excaliburn isn't a good card anymore. There's little to no recovery if you're opening up with Merlin (NK Lonefire) and it gets hit with a hand trap. Saying that they might come back for link summon format with Ties of the Brethren. Who knows?
Idk what you are talking about, I still play Harpies, I used to only bust the deck out when folks came in trying to test or regional decks to straight up ruin their day, then it became my main deck. I just did a world championship celebration tournament this past Sunday and came in at 14th place with my deck. Considering I wad facing off against a bunch Dino/Yang-Zing, I'm proud of that fact. I was complimented (by all but one opponent) on how strong the build was and that they were surprised that Harpies was giving them a run for their money. The one guy was too salty that Red-Eyes Dark Flare Dragon pretty much single handedly ruined his day, he kept taking burn damage for activating multiple effects each turn.
Hey, when it comes to artifacts, my best friend actually built an Artifact deck that became the stuff of nightmares. I helped him build it and i deeply regret it. What was worst was when he would topdeck five artifacts and a malevolent catastrophe, so you attack and all of a sudden not only is his backrow all gone, he now has a fully refreshed hand because of his caduceus, your monster is dead from his moraltach, your extra deck is off limits because of his scythe, you can't attack anymore because his Achilleshield is blocking, and he now has at least two 2k+ beaters on the field that he can XYZ with next turn. And that was just one of the many things he could do with it. Don't even get me started on the damn Volcasaurus spam. just remember to throw in a double cyclone and a twin twister and you'll be golden.
i play artifacts and while i dont agree with their reasons for why artifacts are not great, i do agree with the sentiment. once you go off, thats it. if you get raigeki'ed or dark hole'ed, your done.
Looking at it now, I honestly think that Mecha Phantom Beasts can start making appearances again depending on what Link Monsters release because you can do like turn 1, have 2 effect monsters, 2 tokens, make a Link 4 or whatever you decide to do.
I figured red eyes would be on this list. It was a good a idea but it has too many restriction. Red eyes fusion, all the gemini monsters and the fact you must run so many lvl 7s.
Eeeeeeh sylvans got kinda of their pride back with tzol'kin and 3 chicken game with 3 upstarts. Saadly enough neither of those was a viable option in the same time
yknow what would actually be pretty cool, if they released a level 3 artifact monster that is a tuner and when it is normal summoned you could pop one of your backrow, then maybe when it dies by an opponents card effect you can set one from the deck then make a scrap dragon like level 8 synchro monster that can get rid of the opponents cards by triggering your artifacts i think that would actually be pretty cool of konami to do maybe a second synchro where you can pop a backrow and if it was a monster gain attack equal to its attack, and have an armades like effect to prevent responses on attack i would love to see that
the thing that flopped hieratics was the limmited RDMD because of chaos dragons the G. Max otk was easy and only need 3 cards but rdmd was ned at least at 2 for it to keep its strongest play at the time.
I play Galaxy a lot myself, and yeah, it is stuidly easy to brick with like, multiple copies of knight and dragon that you just can't use. It's why I still prefer to keep in the main lv 4 Photon Monsters(Thrasher and Crusher) whereas most would be content to run only the level 8s and Wizard. Accessibility to 3 different Ranks of Xyz Monsters(4, 5, and 8) is likely the best thing about that deck, since sans 7 and maybe 3, those are like, the best ranks in the game.
All the decks they mentioned were all over the place in my locals. Naturia was the IT deck and people were scrambling to buy the cards. Someone tried to buy my Naturia Beast from me the moment I pulled it from my pack.
As a player who has played hieratics since the deck's release, i can tell you as a hieratic player you only use 3 hieratic effects and/or summon 3 hieratics when you know you will kill them through gorz/trag/fader, etc. This is why Koaki meiru drago and curse of dragon were important. Curse of Dragon gave you a turn 1 play that wasn't Atum or Bounzer. Not to mention Drago was a great normal summon against the format at the time. As a hieratic player maxx "c" doesn't exist they maxx "c" you and summon drago before going into the battle phase and win anyway. The deck sucks now because nothing can be targeted or destroyed and everything makes ridiculous turn 1 fields.
I remember when I used to side Token Feastevil just to mess with Mecha Phantom Beasts... Naturia I mostly ran Cliff/Mosquito/Beans/Dragonfly with a lot of random Earth tech like Spiritual Earth Art Kurogane... The others I never played with/against.
I didn't have a problem playing artifacts, cause I maxed out on mst, double cyclones and malevolent catastrophe. and I had a couple copies of wild tornadoes, and abyss scorn so I get additional pluses once I blow up my own backrow
I actually played Mecha Phantom Beasts; the deck has some good plays but its way too slow. It's one of those decks where if they just had like 1 or 2 more good cards then they might be competitive. If they had a level 4 monster that upon summon let you send another Mecha Phantom Beast to grave and a faster way so search/summon this hypothetical card, aside from Scramble! and Megaraptor then I could definitely see this deck coming back, a la Volcanics after the release of Blaze Accelerator Reload.
I don't know if it would have been at all competitive, but i feel Chronomalies were quite overshadowed and also a deck that just wasn't that popular. I used to play them on DN and liked the whole xyz spam it could do.
But in the TCG, it didn't really feel like anyone wanted to pick the archetype up and use it competitively. Like you said, Disk was a late arrival so maybe it could have had potential??
I actually was doing pretty well with Fire Kings (even pre yaksha) and felt the best way to use them was to go trap stun heavy. people were so obssessed with rekindling otks that time. its a darn shame that powercreep has made thr deck far too slow. you know something is wrong when Kozmo abuses the field spell better XP
yeah I admit that Sylvans were that hype. Traded for Marshalleafs during sneak peak for Legacy of the Valiant then with staple extra deck cards. Prices spiked up for no reason at all and I still kept mine because I was intent to play the deck after testing it online. Then Primal Origin hit and its support was so lackluster that I just decided to build the core then sell it so I can complete my Madolches and score me Anjellys.
What about Scraps? when the scrap field spell was announced in Primal Origin, along with Supply Squad and even timegazer and stargazer magicians being announced, people were hyping Scraps saying it was gonna be the best thing, then the cards came out and people realized Scraps werent as good as people thought.
Nickcross and Battery Man and Dino rabbit not to mention black wings and Six Samurai to boot though I think that Six Samurai and black wings still have a chance come back including battery man just because of how much you're able to spam the field with it and in terms of Link summon I think they'd be really good decks if built right
I love how they say artifacts is the most flopped deck. I won like 4 of my locals with it. And it was pure. I ran equal spell and trap destruction to my artifact monsters. With 2 card car and 3 duality. Triple upstart. My whole deck was to make boards my opponents couldn't break. Both shields are the best stall. Again I loved this deck and worked it hard to make it great.
Another reason why the Harpie Decks really didn't 'succeed" is because Harpie Lady 1, 2, 3 & Cyber Harpie Lady were all counted AS "Harpie Lady" period. With 1/2/3, even though they all had the same Level (4 *), ATK (1300), DEF (1400), Attribute (Wind), & Type (Winged Beast), they all had different Effects. 1 - All Wind Monsters gained 300 ATK.; 2 - Negate the effects of Flip Effect Monsters this card destroys by battle.; 3 - An opponent's monster that battles this card cannot declare an attack during your opponent's next 2 turns. And then CHL was essentially a Normal Monster (It was stated to be an Effect Monster, but it had no actual effect at all, as I really don't consider "This card's name is always treated as 'Harpie Lady" as a legit effect.), 4 */Wind/Winged Beast with 1800/1300 ATK/DEF. So you could ONLY have a total of 3 of any combination of HL 1/2/3 &/or CHL, whereas if they were all either Errata'd or "Problem-Solving Card Text'd" so that they were more inline with some of the other Harpie Cards like Harpie Queen or Harpie Channeler, where their names get "treated" as "Harpie Lady" while on the field or in the Graveyard, then I would imagine that the Harpie Decks might come back.
When I first got back into the game Naturia had just hit the scene and I wasnt wise to anything going on and cute trolly bugs and plants were so cute xD I know they bombed but they have a small spot in my heart.
Igknights. I use em for Single Duels only now with Exodia (Heart OF The Underdog, Make Number 86). Zefra is another one that got hype from Komoney but sucked major ass bar Divine Strike and the YZ ones. Also Harpies didnt flop, they were average at best on release and in 2016 going into 2017, they have lots of recovery, power plays in Chidori and annoying Spam of the two best ranks in the game (I guess 8 would be btr than 7).
I have a lot of personal issues with Harpies in the fact that I do not play meta staples or anything with similar effects that don't need some sort of extra activation requirment and if they get that Rank 4 Monster out with some added Attack(700 to be exact) they basically win parring that I do get a Dark Hole or Mirror Force to hit it with XD outside of that, we generally play banned cards in my group so... HARPIES FEATHER DUSTER!
It's funny because you named no less than three of my decks that I have. Granted, my only real human opponent these days is myself (living in the land of OCG) but Mecha Phantom Beast is my favorite archetype just because planes (and a few space things).
when hieratics were at full power in the ocg they were tier one, we never got to have triple remd and gustav max cannon. So it is not fair to say that the deck was a flop. Also there was a small time when players were using hieratic because of the trap card Hieratic Seal From the Ashes
mecha phantom beasts are very hard to beat if you really know what you're doing and you give them good support in a deck. I've beaten people left and right using them on ygopro and do a barrel is one of the best trap in the game because it can negate anything as long as a negation effect isn't already in play cards I use to make this deck sturdy are cards like scapegoat, super heavy samurai musashi, machina armored unit, scapegoat (if you know how to get the most out of it), miyabi, and sealing ceremony of raiton
on the point of artifacts, the new artifact that came out in maximum crisis, is what artifacts needed back then to be playable as a standalone deck. Also you completely forgot about amorphages
As a guy who plays Magician-Odd Eyes-Performapals, I would like to ask if the Performapals were like hyped up and then end up piles of crap. Were they?
Would Yosenjus be considered this? I've heard a lot of hype for them, when they first came out, and they topped quite a bit of tournaments when they were first brought out, but after like one or two metas they've gone down to rogue tier, at best. Another, much more recent one, has to be the Burgesstomas; even before Treatoad was announced, everyone was so excited for these cards, thinking they'd be a better version of Trap Monsters... and they aren't. They're not bad, but the fact that they rely so heavily on backrow means that they're easily disrupted, and you've got very little options once they stop your plays.
About hieratics they are coming back thanks to ultimaya also I have run them for over a year now and I haven't been stopped when summoning but even if I am my deck is filled with traps to defend me because I run 3 ultimaya so I can defend myself until I can flood gate or otk with galaxy eyes prime photon dragon. You don't need to tribute summon eset or tefnuit so having both in hand can let you pull off some amazing combos. Also hieratic rulers was a top deck and one of the main reasons for dragon rulers to be banned Sorry for the rant. I just thought I'd say some things about hieratics cause I've seen some really good deck builds and I haven't really had many losses with my own so it made me want o defend the deck, don't get me wrong it has its own issues but what deck doesn't
igknights were super hyped, it was like the second full on pendulum deck other then qliphort to come out and before it's release everyone thought it was insane, but then when It came out you figured out its a deck that has to neg to get to cards consistently. then with chichen game banned, and upstart limited, the deck died right there
I'm not sure if this would count but XYZ Zombies because of the Sangan ruling would be a deck that flopped - people expected it to be good I think and then the Sangan ruling ruined it
I know 2 decks that flopped recently. 1 - Red-Eyes - I love Red-Eyes but the deck flopped hard, a lot of people where hype for it but it never became meta just second tier and now I think it went down. 2 - Amorphage - Alot of people thought this archetype was going to break the game but it's too slow, sure it great in late game but alot of decks nowadays are too fast for it.
Red-Eyes flopped because most of the monster support it got are all gemini monsters (which is stupid), have no tuner or synchro monsters and the entire archetype seem to focus around burn damage. Lame. As for Amorphages, I agree with you on that. I once built a deck with it and I absolutely hated it.
+Enrique Stowers The Red-Eyes Archtype was made to be a Fusion, XYZ burn deck that uses normal monsters,Gemini count as normal monsters and alot of the red-eyes support cards affect normal monsters. Blue-eyes was made to be the Fusion, Synchro best down deck, Red-Eyes is just the opposite of that
If you build a red-eyes deck it's decent, but no its not gonna do as well as blue eyes. you can't play too many trap cards they clog and slow you down and sometimes not often but more than I'd like to you get dead hands due to all the high lvl monsters pretty often I can get put first turn rank 7's.
The absolute best card for red eyes is soul charge but unfortunately it's limited to 1. load up your graveyard play soul charge get out at least 2 red eye flare metal dragons and your opponent takes 1000 for basically everything they do and they can really only be destroyed by battle or ha en it's summon negated
I won every locals when I played pure artifacts. I was untouchable. The only reason why I stoped winning locals with it was when I made the HAT variant. Just so you know I had instant fusion and my only goal was to make 2 pliedies and just crush.
Yeah, I think it was the fact that they were the first "average" pendulum deck. Qlis were strong but expensive while all other pendulum stuff was gimmicky and not that great. Igknights had that semi-consistency and the help of normal monster support, but ended up not being that great in hindsight. They still ended up being pretty good against grindier non-pendulum decks and were kinda that buffer ushering the power of the pendulum in comparison to other decks.
I was always hype for Melodious. The deck somehow always seemed to lag behind the meta despite having some decent support. But they've kinda gone AWOL in recent sets. I really hope SHVI won't be IT for them. That'd sure be disappointing.
I can honestly say that not everybody has tried an Artifact deck. I never tried artifacts. I actually quit playing yugioh for a while and when I started playing again, that deck was phased out
OK I am stopping you there; Sylvans gave speed to plant decks that were about the continuos spell support. you use one excavate three and 12+ cards later your field is full of plants and raging plants kicks off for 6000 boost to all plants/ seed cannon is full and does 2500 damage/ and your turn ends with your world trees being setfor a full round of pounding. I agree that they did not live up to hype I just needed to defend them as not being garbage just not being consistant.
I remember when people where saying Amorphages were gonna break the game, until people realize that the deck can fuck itself over
Yeah, expecially Amorphactor Pein, we had a discussion on ygorganization and it resulted in a user getting banned lol
At least in pendulums you can run Amorphage Sloth to stop special summons from the extra deck.
But over-all the deck would definitely screw itself over.
Oh yeah. I saw all these pend effects and thought they would lock my opponent down, but the deck destroys itself turn 2.
Arch_Saltsworn Facts
HeartlessWeegee2 unless you top deck Lysis AND Infection you're screwed because starting with both of those cards can lock down even a Blue-Eyes deck with the right scales and if you end up with two Infections on the field your monsters get huge while Lysis keeps the opponents small. Basically this deck is nothing but bricks and then that one lucky start
I can think of a couple more:
Zefra
Konami themselves were hyping the hell out of this deck. It was a cool concept, Pendulum support for other meta decks that were also a part of their own archetype, but while the deck is potentially powerful, it just didn't take off, especially when the meta decks tied to it got hit.
*EDIT: this comment is old. I'm perfectly aware that Zefra is decent now.*
Igknight:
Does anyone remember the Igknight hype? First people were freaking out because of the potential combo with Key Beetle, but as soon as CORE came out, the ruling said it didn't work. Certain YugiTubers (coughcough) were still pushing it because "it can make Exodia or a powerful Champion Rhongo", but all the deck did was set a scale, pop them, and grab another Igknight.
Majespecter:
It's a good deck, but people expected it to be top tier. We had just got Pendulum Magicians, and we were getting hyped for PePe. Overall, the deck was outclassed, it wasn't aggressive enough, and it didn't become top tier like everyone said it would.
Igknight was p good, metalfoes just took its place.
Majespecter...idk Kirin got limited for a reason.
Igknight didn't really have a place for Metalfoes to take. They're not a *_bad deck_*, but they lacked a true win condition. They gathered a ton of monsters, but there wasn't a lot they could do with them besides going into
Rhongomyniad.
Kirin didn't get limited because of the Majespecter archetype, it was more because every _other_ Pendulum based deck could abuse it, typically Odd-Eyes Performapal.
+DynamoDuskull Especially because kaijus grabbed rhongom, tipped it upside down and drilled it with a piece of corn
Nah dude.....I made plenty of awesome Igknight decks, one of which is a pure Igknight OTK deck, so they are definitely good. But, just like other decks traps are an issue...
I never said Igknights were a bad deck.
My point was that they were overhyped.
make a video called "who summoned it better?" go through some xyz monsters, synchros, and fusions that were used more in every other deck, than the one it was intended for :)
i like that
This is actually a good idea tbh
#1 trishula and brionac
lol #2 dracossack and galaxy-eyes tachyon
gem-knight seraphinite, cyber dragon infinity, mist valley apex avian, etc. the list goes on
Red-Eyes. People were so hyped about Red-Eyes, to the point that it was too expensive to buy, yet about 3 months after it came out it dropped off the face of the planet. I'd call that an overhyped flop.
Agreed
True
Still is expensive. Have topped with it. Just had a few wins with it on YGOpro. Not the best deck, I admit it can suck most modern deck's cocks, but still - not in C category. A B-deck for sure, and absolutely not worth the price. But the deck itself is full of holdbacks. I'm a dedicated RE player, it's my favorite deck, thus I realize it's flaws, like taking away my special summons with it's best cards, it being slow, not having propper tuners, etc. But the hype for it was never that big, at least when it came over here. I came back into the game for it, but from all the other people in my area, just one had made the deck and gave up on it. And then I got monarchs, because... well, monarchs cost 1/5 of Red Eyes and won 5 times more than Red-Eyes. But still, RE4Life, even though Konami doesn't want to make a it a main deck, even though it goes against the philosophy of Red-Eyes as a symbol. The idea was that it has potential, while Blue-Eyes has power. So sure, it has potential, but not the potential to win consistently.
tbh it was doing really well it is just that people saw the new blue eyes support and people rather play a deck with free summons and broken abilities rather than a rank 7 combo deck.
Stanislav Serbezov Didn't Kazuki Takahashi abandon "Blue-Eyes is power, Red-Eyes is potential" years ago when he created Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon, thus giving Blue-Eyes the biggest "potential" Fusion as opposed to the original symbols of "Red-Eyes B. Dragon's potential", B. Meteor Dragon and B. Skull Dragon?
The Red-Eyes archetype as a whole eventually got a new identity as a Burn archetype that has basically stuck with it ever since.
Paul, you are incredibly smart. You can just tell by the way you talk about things and carry yourself. If you applied as much effort as you do in yugioh into a business or company, you would do extremely well.
I feel like any big business would benefit from having you on any team. Not sure if you have a LinkedIn account,
Thank you! I haven't really heard that in comment before, but I'm glad I come off that way. If life goes as planned, I will be able to put my head to use in a business or company and see some big results. Reading that and knowing that somebody noticed really made my day! :)
Yes Kevin is right. It's very easy to tell that you're smart and logical. Even the way you structure sentences speaks to your acumen and skills.
Amorphages, I built them, and regretted it ever since
Same here lol
Oh man anyone remember when Crystal Beasts were meant to be awesome?
Demetri Alexandrou The OCG got some great Crystal Beast Support back in 2014. Never came over to the TCG though.
Jeffrey Krismer and even if they did the fact that pendulums now go in the normal spell trap zone they are kinof screwed
Still pretty awesome.
This comment was three years ago and now crystal beast are the same. Hoping we finally get that new crystal beast dragon it would really help.
A more recent deck that flopped: Red Eyes.
Insane card effects with the most ridiculous limits on them.
agreed, even tho im topping my locals with it, its always an uphill battle
I wouldn't count that knowing red-eyes insight will come out soon ish
um dude i WOULD count that based on when it was released back in late 2015, it didnt do anything. your logic makes no sense and is completely "what if" and "maybe". i play the deck but seriously it flopped hard no one can argue that because no takes the deck seriously to begin with.
They suck as a deck but 2 of there cards can go into other decks. Black flare, flare metal.
Next video idea: Top10 decks that came out of nowhere (=the opposite of this video)
I agree, although I can't think of too many off the top of my head. Any ideas?
H.A.T
PK fire
T.G. Stun
Pepe didn't come out of nowhere. Everyone knew it was going to be good for months and months, pretty much from the moment we knew that Pendulum Sorcerer and Skullcrobat were both getting printed.
Here's my pick for the list, Majespecters. Everyone was like "OMG, can't be targeted, can't be destroyed by card effects and they are pendulums, they stop your opponent from playing the game so broke!" but in the end the archetype didn't manage to keep up with the meta.
Cause of most of their spells/traps that kept targeting, then Kirin had to be tribute summoned or used as a scale (Unless you used pegasus)
Majespecters were always meta, dude. They just weren't tier 1.
You must not know how many play Majespecter in the OCG.
We don't play in the OCG, we play in the TCG. They may have been a succes in the OCG but Majespecters were dreadfully overhyped as the next top tier archetype for the TCG.
Especially since at the time the OCG didn't have Kozmo or Kaijus when Majespecters were released.
I'd love to see a list of underhyped archetypes that ended up being good.
What about Majespecter? That deck was SO hyped. People legit thought that Kozmo would do poorly due to a poor Majespecter match-up (Which is ludicrous. Best majes match-up in the game).
I mean that it was very often held up with Kozmo and Monarchs as one of THE decks of the format, then topped a total of 18 times to date (15 of which were hybrids) compared to, say, Kozmo with 173.
actually as they said, being used as an engine doesn't count. Pure majespecters can't even get out Kirin without tributing for it.
Exactly
I thought the snatch steal DOT dek was overhyped and got wrecked because targeting became power crept
I have to agree to disagree on Harpies. They made a few tops and are really consistent ever since crossed souls. I never brick with them, by which I mean I always have the cards to drop an xyz every turn. Their combos can be stopped, but not as easily if you run divine wind. It's not the best, but it's good.
I still think Amorphages were overhyped, as well as the nostalgia decks that aren't blue eyes.
if you havent thought of trying inferno reckless summon in harpies, test it. its too good.
nostalgia decks? dark worlds six samurais Cyber Dragon Monarchs all came out hella days ago and it got support years later and slaughtered... so no Nalstalgia decks aren't all flops
also maxx c is limit on2, you didnt see veiler often and the backround will be destroyed by the fiel spell. Its rare that i have problems to get the eff of channeler.
Alex Brown Harpies are rogue playable not a really a flop
The Night Stalker i think you mean rough and i think you can still play them pretty well.
noble knights
I'd like to see an udated version of this video, because I guarentee Amorphages would be on the list as well.
Other reason for why Mecha Phantom Beast "Flopped" : Bujintei Susanowo
There was no way in hell for MPB to win against Bujins match up
Draw Muscle would've helped , but it came too late :(
Majid Al-Amri And we are still getting bleh support in raiten. mpb are my favorite but theyre so inconsistent
Ill add Kaiju. A lot of promise ad had 3 sets, but like artifacts, an ok engine, but could not stand as a deck.
This
They implode against themselves it seems like. I played against a Kaiju player and I used the Gamaciel he summoned on my board against him. (Forgot the eff, but it requires Kaiju tokens so the eff only applies within a Kaiju deck)
Doge Skillet gameciel is the one that negates alot of things at the cost of tokens. I played Kaijus a bit and I always had to remember to never give my opponent gameciel unless I was positive I could beat it down immediately
I like the playstyle of harpies, but when built well the deck has to be almost completely attack minded. The deck becomes shit when people try to be clever and tech stuff that slows it down.
The deck is a swarm deck, if you're not spamming harpies like mad when playing it then you're doing it wrong. the Harpie decks that struggle are the ones that are obsessed with cards like Magical Hats, Anti-Spell fragrance etc. The game is too fast to main stuff like that. Against the meta decks (which are objectively better than you), you need to blow them away with summons and a quick swing with party/instant fusion/channeler to cause an upset, and quickly.
Here we go, here's a thinker.
Funny how most of these decks are the meta decks in duel links atm lol
Old Entity cards. How the hell did mess it up? Lovecraft arctype is great idea but nope.
because they were given literally one main deck support card. all the entity cards are really good, they just have no deck to go with it.
Legit. Raccoons/level 2 beasts ended up being the best engine for Lovecraft.dek imo.
I was hoping for them to be like god cards
To be fair, Norden and miss and whatnot all have absolutely splendid effs
Gishkis are kinda lovecrafty
bruh half this list is straight up YGO Zexal lol
Matt Urban how wot
The Nordic archtype. I also wanted to say Raidraptors because after the release of Ultimate Falcon, I thought a lot of people would be playing it.
*cough*Dark Magician*cough*
Yet their cards are expensive as hell lol
When Eternal Soul and Apprentice Illusion Magician comes out it will be a very good deck
+Michael Cem Halicioglu it won't be very good, but it'll be playable
I've seen that deck rock. Konami are making their damnest to make it equal to Blue-Eyes. Slowly but surely, it's gonna be a Tier 0 deck, because marketing. It's gonna take them some time though, because them 3k beaters ain't gonna wait.
Silver Fang I mean, its not horrible like the red eyes one... It just doesn't pack enough power to be competitive against decks like Blue eyes. lol
Noble Knights may have had a really mixed hype from the player base but Konami made a big deal out of them at the time, atleast. Since they took that inadvertent 'tellah knight hit (RoTa at 1) they lost all alot of consistency, they brick and Excaliburn isn't a good card anymore. There's little to no recovery if you're opening up with Merlin (NK Lonefire) and it gets hit with a hand trap.
Saying that they might come back for link summon format with Ties of the Brethren. Who knows?
Idk what you are talking about, I still play Harpies, I used to only bust the deck out when folks came in trying to test or regional decks to straight up ruin their day, then it became my main deck. I just did a world championship celebration tournament this past Sunday and came in at 14th place with my deck. Considering I wad facing off against a bunch Dino/Yang-Zing, I'm proud of that fact. I was complimented (by all but one opponent) on how strong the build was and that they were surprised that Harpies was giving them a run for their money. The one guy was too salty that Red-Eyes Dark Flare Dragon pretty much single handedly ruined his day, he kept taking burn damage for activating multiple effects each turn.
He does look like Demar DeRozan, but you look like Kenneth Faried! LOL
I concur.
Hey, when it comes to artifacts, my best friend actually built an Artifact deck that became the stuff of nightmares. I helped him build it and i deeply regret it. What was worst was when he would topdeck five artifacts and a malevolent catastrophe, so you attack and all of a sudden not only is his backrow all gone, he now has a fully refreshed hand because of his caduceus, your monster is dead from his moraltach, your extra deck is off limits because of his scythe, you can't attack anymore because his Achilleshield is blocking, and he now has at least two 2k+ beaters on the field that he can XYZ with next turn. And that was just one of the many things he could do with it. Don't even get me started on the damn Volcasaurus spam. just remember to throw in a double cyclone and a twin twister and you'll be golden.
i play artifacts and while i dont agree with their reasons for why artifacts are not great, i do agree with the sentiment. once you go off, thats it. if you get raigeki'ed or dark hole'ed, your done.
Looking at it now, I honestly think that Mecha Phantom Beasts can start making appearances again depending on what Link Monsters release because you can do like turn 1, have 2 effect monsters, 2 tokens, make a Link 4 or whatever you decide to do.
I figured red eyes would be on this list. It was a good a idea but it has too many restriction. Red eyes fusion, all the gemini monsters and the fact you must run so many lvl 7s.
Psy-Frames had exactly the same problems that artifacts had, I'm surprised they weren't on the list.
+ThemFilthy Metronomes Probably should have been tbh
Who else wanted Heraldic Beasts to be a bigger thing?
Radical Jeff ya, they look cool
Eeeeeeh sylvans got kinda of their pride back with tzol'kin and 3 chicken game with 3 upstarts. Saadly enough neither of those was a viable option in the same time
I agree with you on artifacts but I still love them and I use to run a ABC Artifacts deck. It kicks butt.
Vampires flopped like 2 or 3 years ago.
yknow what would actually be pretty cool, if they released a level 3 artifact monster that is a tuner and when it is normal summoned you could pop one of your backrow, then maybe when it dies by an opponents card effect you can set one from the deck
then make a scrap dragon like level 8 synchro monster that can get rid of the opponents cards by triggering your artifacts
i think that would actually be pretty cool of konami to do
maybe a second synchro where you can pop a backrow and if it was a monster gain attack equal to its attack, and have an armades like effect to prevent responses on attack
i would love to see that
can u guys make a video on a deckbuilding template sort of thing. Like the components of making a good competitive deck.
what about that laval/flamevell(i forgot which fire archetype) quasar deck a few years ago?
I just want to say. If Yaksha and Fire King Island would have come out in the structure deck, Fire Kings would have been busted at the time.
the thing that flopped hieratics was the limmited RDMD because of chaos dragons the G. Max otk was easy and only need 3 cards but rdmd was ned at least at 2 for it to keep its strongest play at the time.
I play Galaxy a lot myself, and yeah, it is stuidly easy to brick with like, multiple copies of knight and dragon that you just can't use. It's why I still prefer to keep in the main lv 4 Photon Monsters(Thrasher and Crusher) whereas most would be content to run only the level 8s and Wizard.
Accessibility to 3 different Ranks of Xyz Monsters(4, 5, and 8) is likely the best thing about that deck, since sans 7 and maybe 3, those are like, the best ranks in the game.
Hieratics were easily the best and most competitive deck you guys mentioned
All the decks they mentioned were all over the place in my locals. Naturia was the IT deck and people were scrambling to buy the cards. Someone tried to buy my Naturia Beast from me the moment I pulled it from my pack.
As a player who has played hieratics since the deck's release, i can tell you as a hieratic player you only use 3 hieratic effects and/or summon 3 hieratics when you know you will kill them through gorz/trag/fader, etc. This is why Koaki meiru drago and curse of dragon were important. Curse of Dragon gave you a turn 1 play that wasn't Atum or Bounzer. Not to mention Drago was a great normal summon against the format at the time. As a hieratic player maxx "c" doesn't exist they maxx "c" you and summon drago before going into the battle phase and win anyway. The deck sucks now because nothing can be targeted or destroyed and everything makes ridiculous turn 1 fields.
I remember when I used to side Token Feastevil just to mess with Mecha Phantom Beasts... Naturia I mostly ran Cliff/Mosquito/Beans/Dragonfly with a lot of random Earth tech like Spiritual Earth Art Kurogane... The others I never played with/against.
I didn't have a problem playing artifacts, cause I maxed out on mst, double cyclones and malevolent catastrophe. and I had a couple copies of wild tornadoes, and abyss scorn so I get additional pluses once I blow up my own backrow
I disagree about Artifacts, it can actually be pretty decent, lol.... :P
I actually played Mecha Phantom Beasts; the deck has some good plays but its way too slow. It's one of those decks where if they just had like 1 or 2 more good cards then they might be competitive. If they had a level 4 monster that upon summon let you send another Mecha Phantom Beast to grave and a faster way so search/summon this hypothetical card, aside from Scramble! and Megaraptor then I could definitely see this deck coming back, a la Volcanics after the release of Blaze Accelerator Reload.
I don't know if it would have been at all competitive, but i feel Chronomalies were quite overshadowed and also a deck that just wasn't that popular. I used to play them on DN and liked the whole xyz spam it could do.
Chronomalies were Tier 1 in OCG...We got Nebra Disk Late
But in the TCG, it didn't really feel like anyone wanted to pick the archetype up and use it competitively. Like you said, Disk was a late arrival so maybe it could have had potential??
I actually was doing pretty well with Fire Kings (even pre yaksha) and felt the best way to use them was to go trap stun heavy. people were so obssessed with rekindling otks that time. its a darn shame that powercreep has made thr deck far too slow. you know something is wrong when Kozmo abuses the field spell better XP
yeah I admit that Sylvans were that hype. Traded for Marshalleafs during sneak peak for Legacy of the Valiant then with staple extra deck cards. Prices spiked up for no reason at all and I still kept mine because I was intent to play the deck after testing it online. Then Primal Origin hit and its support was so lackluster that I just decided to build the core then sell it so I can complete my Madolches and score me Anjellys.
I didn't try a pure Artifact deck but I did try to pick up stuff for Shaddolls.
Toons are flopped
Sylvans didn't flop they just got nerfed
Especially with the nostalgia bait Konami put out with the new Toon support.
The Night Stalker As much as I love toons (favorite archetype), I sadly have to agree.
What about Scraps? when the scrap field spell was announced in Primal Origin, along with Supply Squad and even timegazer and stargazer magicians being announced, people were hyping Scraps saying it was gonna be the best thing, then the cards came out and people realized Scraps werent as good as people thought.
Nickcross and Battery Man and Dino rabbit not to mention black wings and Six Samurai to boot though I think that Six Samurai and black wings still have a chance come back including battery man just because of how much you're able to spam the field with it and in terms of Link summon I think they'd be really good decks if built right
I don't think anyone expected anything huge from them, but aromage did literally nothing
well they will get support
I actually like this video quite a bit. Well fleshed out and I could follow it well. You two are also hilarious with each other.
I love how they say artifacts is the most flopped deck.
I won like 4 of my locals with it. And it was pure. I ran equal spell and trap destruction to my artifact monsters. With 2 card car and 3 duality. Triple upstart. My whole deck was to make boards my opponents couldn't break. Both shields are the best stall.
Again I loved this deck and worked it hard to make it great.
Another reason why the Harpie Decks really didn't 'succeed" is because Harpie Lady 1, 2, 3 & Cyber Harpie Lady were all counted AS "Harpie Lady" period. With 1/2/3, even though they all had the same Level (4 *), ATK (1300), DEF (1400), Attribute (Wind), & Type (Winged Beast), they all had different Effects. 1 - All Wind Monsters gained 300 ATK.; 2 - Negate the effects of Flip Effect Monsters this card destroys by battle.; 3 - An opponent's monster that battles this card cannot declare an attack during your opponent's next 2 turns.
And then CHL was essentially a Normal Monster (It was stated to be an Effect Monster, but it had no actual effect at all, as I really don't consider "This card's name is always treated as 'Harpie Lady" as a legit effect.), 4 */Wind/Winged Beast with 1800/1300 ATK/DEF. So you could ONLY have a total of 3 of any combination of HL 1/2/3 &/or CHL, whereas if they were all either Errata'd or "Problem-Solving Card Text'd" so that they were more inline with some of the other Harpie Cards like Harpie Queen or Harpie Channeler, where their names get "treated" as "Harpie Lady" while on the field or in the Graveyard, then I would imagine that the Harpie Decks might come back.
When I first got back into the game Naturia had just hit the scene and I wasnt wise to anything going on and cute trolly bugs and plants were so cute xD I know they bombed but they have a small spot in my heart.
Igknights. I use em for Single Duels only now with Exodia (Heart OF The Underdog, Make Number 86). Zefra is another one that got hype from Komoney but sucked major ass bar Divine Strike and the YZ ones.
Also Harpies didnt flop, they were average at best on release and in 2016 going into 2017, they have lots of recovery, power plays in Chidori and annoying Spam of the two best ranks in the game (I guess 8 would be btr than 7).
I have a lot of personal issues with Harpies in the fact that I do not play meta staples or anything with similar effects that don't need some sort of extra activation requirment and if they get that Rank 4 Monster out with some added Attack(700 to be exact) they basically win parring that I do get a Dark Hole or Mirror Force to hit it with XD outside of that, we generally play banned cards in my group so... HARPIES FEATHER DUSTER!
sylvan is actually pretty dope atm, you can easily go ultimaya tzolkin first turn with copy plant
It's funny because you named no less than three of my decks that I have. Granted, my only real human opponent these days is myself (living in the land of OCG) but Mecha Phantom Beast is my favorite archetype just because planes (and a few space things).
I am still running Harpies... I combined them with Windwitches, it works well.
Hieratics were awesome. You just needed to run some draw power to setup for next turn.
when hieratics were at full power in the ocg they were tier one, we never got to have triple remd and gustav max cannon. So it is not fair to say that the deck was a flop. Also there was a small time when players were using hieratic because of the trap card Hieratic Seal From the Ashes
mecha phantom beasts are very hard to beat if you really know what you're doing and you give them good support in a deck. I've beaten people left and right using them on ygopro
and do a barrel is one of the best trap in the game because it can negate anything as long as a negation effect isn't already in play
cards I use to make this deck sturdy are cards like scapegoat, super heavy samurai musashi, machina armored unit, scapegoat (if you know how to get the most out of it), miyabi, and sealing ceremony of raiton
on the point of artifacts, the new artifact that came out in maximum crisis, is what artifacts needed back then to be playable as a standalone deck. Also you completely forgot about amorphages
Definitely igknights
I'm just hoping that spyrals don't flop as a tcg archetype
PiratedMeta My god how times have changed lol XD
You got that right
5:38 I thought sylvans were pretty good?
they were idk why they said it flopped it got Soul Charge hit so fast it wasn't a flop got nerfed
Two words:
Noble knights.
These were overhyped as hell and never took off...
darklords. this was so hyped but it didn't leave any mark on anything. ixchel is still expensive but no one ever plays this deck
Evol deck ftw. Dueling generations doesn't have all the cards I'd like but IRL you have the cards you need for support you can lock out some people.
As a guy who plays Magician-Odd Eyes-Performapals, I would like to ask if the Performapals were like hyped up and then end up piles of crap. Were they?
I used hieratics, it was strong fairly consistent, but it had little to no defense and block just one little thing and it really broke.
the only reason I clicked this video was to see if anyone else commented about the still image for this video. glad I'm not the only one thinking it
Would Yosenjus be considered this? I've heard a lot of hype for them, when they first came out, and they topped quite a bit of tournaments when they were first brought out, but after like one or two metas they've gone down to rogue tier, at best.
Another, much more recent one, has to be the Burgesstomas; even before Treatoad was announced, everyone was so excited for these cards, thinking they'd be a better version of Trap Monsters... and they aren't. They're not bad, but the fact that they rely so heavily on backrow means that they're easily disrupted, and you've got very little options once they stop your plays.
About hieratics they are coming back thanks to ultimaya also I have run them for over a year now and I haven't been stopped when summoning but even if I am my deck is filled with traps to defend me because I run 3 ultimaya so I can defend myself until I can flood gate or otk with galaxy eyes prime photon dragon.
You don't need to tribute summon eset or tefnuit so having both in hand can let you pull off some amazing combos.
Also hieratic rulers was a top deck and one of the main reasons for dragon rulers to be banned
Sorry for the rant. I just thought I'd say some things about hieratics cause I've seen some really good deck builds and I haven't really had many losses with my own so it made me want o defend the deck, don't get me wrong it has its own issues but what deck doesn't
igknights were super hyped, it was like the second full on pendulum deck other then qliphort to come out and before it's release everyone thought it was insane, but then when It came out you figured out its a deck that has to neg to get to cards consistently. then with chichen game banned, and upstart limited, the deck died right there
mophtronic is a deck that was hyped but faied.i still love the deck.
people hyped them?
Smarfon and Quasar
I do have to admit on how the Sylvians hit the list, but I use a Sylvian/Traptrix deck that works moderately well
Love these, started watching just now but im quickly becoming a fan
Welcome to the party! ^_^
I'm not sure if this would count but XYZ Zombies because of the Sangan ruling would be a deck that flopped - people expected it to be good I think and then the Sangan ruling ruined it
Sylvans may have flopped IRL but it just flourished in Duel Links
They've been introduced in Duel Links? That's really cool!
Team APS it really is shame they got nerfed but they were really tough to compete against
So this is how they decide on what to add to Duel Links...
Been watching yall's videos for about month and keep on making awesome content.
+Blake Chreene Thanks! Will do!
I know 2 decks that flopped recently.
1 - Red-Eyes - I love Red-Eyes but the deck flopped hard, a lot of people where hype for it but it never became meta just second tier and now I think it went down.
2 - Amorphage - Alot of people thought this archetype was going to break the game but it's too slow, sure it great in late game but alot of decks nowadays are too fast for it.
Red-Eyes flopped because most of the monster support it got are all gemini monsters (which is stupid), have no tuner or synchro monsters and the entire archetype seem to focus around burn damage. Lame. As for Amorphages, I agree with you on that. I once built a deck with it and I absolutely hated it.
+Enrique Stowers The Red-Eyes Archtype was made to be a Fusion, XYZ burn deck that uses normal monsters,Gemini count as normal monsters and alot of the red-eyes support cards affect normal monsters. Blue-eyes was made to be the Fusion, Synchro best down deck, Red-Eyes is just the opposite of that
If you build a red-eyes deck it's decent, but no its not gonna do as well as blue eyes. you can't play too many trap cards they clog and slow you down and sometimes not often but more than I'd like to you get dead hands due to all the high lvl monsters pretty often I can get put first turn rank 7's.
The absolute best card for red eyes is soul charge but unfortunately it's limited to 1. load up your graveyard play soul charge get out at least 2 red eye flare metal dragons and your opponent takes 1000 for basically everything they do and they can really only be destroyed by battle or ha en it's summon negated
I won every locals when I played pure artifacts. I was untouchable. The only reason why I stoped winning locals with it was when I made the HAT variant. Just so you know I had instant fusion and my only goal was to make 2 pliedies and just crush.
I would definitely say Igknights never took off even tho they were very much hyped
True
Yeah, I think it was the fact that they were the first "average" pendulum deck. Qlis were strong but expensive while all other pendulum stuff was gimmicky and not that great. Igknights had that semi-consistency and the help of normal monster support, but ended up not being that great in hindsight. They still ended up being pretty good against grindier non-pendulum decks and were kinda that buffer ushering the power of the pendulum in comparison to other decks.
Some decks that I feel flopped after being hyped were pure Kaiju, Graydle, Melodious, Crystal Beast, and Raidraptors when they first got released
Indeed
Harpies
I was always hype for Melodious. The deck somehow always seemed to lag behind the meta despite having some decent support. But they've kinda gone AWOL in recent sets. I really hope SHVI won't be IT for them. That'd sure be disappointing.
old vid, and only at the start, but rescue cat getting banned right after DREV came out is what hurt naturia most.
I think Zefras was one of those decks that was overhyped when Crossed Souls came out
Ghostbricks, Lavals, Yang RecyclZing, Scraps (a.k.a. Scrubs), Galazy's, and let's not forget Boar Soldier OTK
people wanted those blues eyes maiden decks to be so good (before spirit and ancient came out )
I can honestly say that not everybody has tried an Artifact deck. I never tried artifacts. I actually quit playing yugioh for a while and when I started playing again, that deck was phased out
OK I am stopping you there; Sylvans gave speed to plant decks that were about the continuos spell support. you use one excavate three and 12+ cards later your field is full of plants and raging plants kicks off for 6000 boost to all plants/ seed cannon is full and does 2500 damage/ and your turn ends with your world trees being setfor a full round of pounding.
I agree that they did not live up to hype I just needed to defend them as not being garbage just not being consistant.