AlphaGo to Zero: Revisiting AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol, Game 4, with Michael Redmond 9p
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2020
- Originally aired on March 12, 2020
More than 13,000 viewers - a new record for the AGA’s Twitch channel - tuned in for the March 12 Twitch broadcast featuring Michael Redmond 9P and Chris Garlock discussing their new book “Alphago to Zero” -- gobooks.com/ -- and reviewing a game from the historic 2016 showdown between the world champion and the DeepMind AI. “Their passion for this game is infectious,” said CalmExit. The two talked about what it was like to provide the English-language commentary for the 2016 match for a global audience with intense media attention, and took questions from viewers. Chayashida wondered about “Michael and Chris’s thoughts, looking back, four years later…on the actual match as well as how AI has changed the game in the past 4 years.” And sam83a wondered “Does Michael plan writing other books using AI other than this 4-volume series? For example revisiting his san ren sei book, or analyzing historical classical games.” Check out the video to hear the answers to those questions and more, as well as Redmond’s review of Game 4 - chosen by a viewer poll - of the AlphaGo-Lee Sedol match. “I absolutely love how much Redmond loves the game,” said Trevoke. Stephen Hu produced the stream.
PLUS: Check out Redmond's new UA-cam channel, Michael Redmond's Go TV: / @michaelredmondsgotv - Ігри
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I was one of those introduced to Go through the AlphaGo event so I can relate what Garlock is saying at 13:06
Its neat to me that Lee Sedols turnaround move where he wanted to play something as confusing as possible because there were at least some variations where it worked out for him is very similar to how AI like alphago play when they're losing
Thank you Both for commenting these games, y were wonderful.
Bought right away, thank you guys for continuing to produce some of the best and easily accessible go content.
Good job here guys as always. Thanks you.
Our pleasure!
might help to put the link to the book in the description of this video. It took me a few clicks to actually find the book since it is still so new
Great suggestion; done. Thanks!
i was a 0.0025 dan, after this video i think i became a 0.25 dan
Thank you Chris and Michael 9 dan for the fantastic review videos you are making!
I was wondering if it could be possible to cast a series of reviews on the games between Lee Sedol vs Handol AI played during the “Lee Sedol retirement series” . There Lee Sedol played with a 2-stones handicap and lost, except for one game where he pulled out another of his extraordinary miracles, like move 78 in Alpha Go game 4 or the famous wedge in the “Broken Ladder” game
Just purchased the ebook, thanks for your commitment guys
Where did you buy it?
Hope you enjoy it!
Wholly enjoyed the book!!!! Thank you very much always for the dedicated work.
1:06:30 Wish they linked to that game in which Michael Redmond lost a bunch of stones and still won.
1:51:53
LoL Michael
We all know David Silver played P8 to inspire hope for humanity. It was a 5-0.
Yo
Why AlphaGo is not used to determine fair komi? From 50 self played games it was clear that 7.5 is too much.
I could be wrong but I believe it gives a slight advantage to black when the komi is 6.5, meaning that the really ideal komi is probably something like 7, but that would lead to draws. Since top pros aren't quite as strong as alphago, their komi don't need to be quite as high, so that's why the standard in pro matches is 6.5 these days
@@Clara-anise Is there any public data on how good alphago as black is dealing with 6.5 komi?
@@simonassatkus2298 I'm not sure whether or not AlphaGo can use arbitrary komi or if it's stuck at 7.5, but I know that KataGo, which can handle arbitrary komi, gives a slight preference to black at 6.5 (I think about 55%)
@@Clara-anise Thanks for the input, never tried KataGo before. I wonder how game analysis would differ there :)
@@Clara-anise It would be easy enough to find out, using simonas satkus' suggestion. Let it play itself for 1000 games with 6.5 komi and see if the win rate gets closer to 50% or not. My guess is that it will, and might even justify returning to 5.5.
My question is can alpha go eventually figure out the perfect start as black, to no matter what white does they will loose?
Yes. But we are leagues away from that. Tic tac toe is a solved game. Chess is not solved but we are getting close with the way ai and sheer computing power is getting better and better.
BUt go? thats still many many leagues away.
Expect much scarier stuff with ais to become common in your daily life before Go is solved.
@@JasminLeblanc such as what, what can advanced a.i be used for?
@@lstealth automatic healthcare, pre-defined career paths and choice of romantic partner, complete substitution for human interaction...
There are many more and most of them sound incredibly scary now but will be common in 200 years
Is there anyway the alpha go programmers , made alpha go down a few notches from hard-core to medium maybe to give 1 win to this poor man who might have off himself loosing 0 to 5?
do you think that Alpha Go lost game 4 in purpose to not hurt the feeling of Lee Sedol? I am talking about the people who control Alpha Go. I think that if they did not do that Lee Sedol could committee suicide!
No way. They had already beaten him 3-0 and the game was solidly in AlphaGo's favor before 78. Also you have to keep in mind that this version of AlphaGo was obviously very strong, but it was still far from perfect and it's totally feasible that a pro like Lee Sedol could find a way to win
Have you watched the documenter?
Go watched the documentary where they show their reaction instead of asking stupid questions
I also believe he would commit suicide , you might be on to something, however I also believe the guy who played this game his whole life at top level could squeeze atleast 1 win out.
Although i believe that the alphago team didnt purposely let Lee win. I do believe that if Lee, who is from strict asian country, playing at the top of the world in his whole life, losed 5-0 in front of every eyes of go player in ther world, he would have commit suicide.
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Exactly what I thought