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Matt’s the guy at work who reports people to management for talking about them.
Why do ppl keep saying “Murray had a down year”?
He had his worst ever playoffs by far (after to all time elite 2020/23) and missed 23 regular season games, but it’s not a “down year” (regular season wise) when he averaged
21.2 PPG (tied for most ever)
6.5 APG (most ever)
4.1 RBG (2nd most ever by 0.1)
1.7 stocks (most ever)
48.1% FG% (most ever)
42.5% 3P%
He did all that above in only 31.5 mpg!
His Per 100 possessions were actually elite and his best ever by far (regular season):
33.3 pts Per100 (29.8 last yr 2nd most)
10.2 assists Per100 (9.2 last yr 2nd)
6.4 rebounds Per100 (T1st w/ 2018-19)
2.5 stocks Per 100 (Most easily 2nd 2.1)
Nearly 4 made threes Per100 on 9.3 attempts per game
Honestly had Murray player 72 games with Nuggets 60+ wins he’s prob all star and possible all NBA candidate (Nuggets won at 75% or a 61-62 win rate with Murray in 2024 vs without him 57% W% or 46-47 win rate).
His injuries and up and down Playoffs this year sucks, but when he actually played in regular season (especially in many big games/wins and when you include the context they won 75% of time when he played vs 57% when he didn’t).
When you are trying to win championships, playing well in the playoffs is 10x more important than regular season efficiency.
And if you miss a bunch of games and force your other starters to push that much harder to pick up the slack, and then your starters look pretty fatigued by the time the playoffs roll around, that's a pretty significant problem.
@@bjensen absolutely, but it doesn’t take away from the fact it was Jamal Murray’s best regular season ever. No doubt playoffs much more important and if they’re talking just playoffs then it was BY FAR a down year, but it seemed like they were talking regular season “down year”. Maybe I misunderstood.
Denver Nuggets is the only team with no bench.
If every NBA team had their own Adam Mares to analyze them, the world would be a better place.
Nuggets fans, be grateful!
Funny, both Bruce Brown and KCP are better players then MPJ, they leave, MPJ stays. Poor Jokic
100% agree
It would be better for MPJ as a player to find another team, because he is so bad, and he would realize that only if he played with a team where he was supposed to be the best player on a team.
You have no idea how NBA rules and contracts work. They had no ability to keep Bruce Brown unless he wanted to get paid ALOT less! Wasn't possible because of max Nuggets couldn't pay him more under league rules....under ANY situation! Again, educate yourself before you chime-in with ignorant opinions.
Nuggets have TO answer three questions.
#1 Who is more important to the team, KCP or MPJ?
#2: Is KCPs or MPJs skill set easier to replace?
#3: whose contract is more likely to kill this team.
Answer to #1 is clearly KCP
Answer to # 2 is MPJ.
Answer to # 3 is MPJ.
If you trade MPJ, Your salary cap issues are gone. KCP stays on the team. You can more easily replace a 40% 3 point shooter, who can't create his own shot, who is a mediocre defender, 16 points a game with another guy. Now you can sign good vets for the bench because you can afford them. The ONLY answer is trade MPJ.
💯 ykb
MPJ for Klay and Looney would be good
@@gnomechomsky2524 ...🤣🤣🤣 stop
pj and gafford for mpj will not happen but would be it. pj can drive instead of mpj we have no driving and no rim protection why is dj still on the geam
Yes, please trade MPJ. I can't wait to see all of your faces when he goes somewhere else and becomes a 25+ ppg all star. Will be classic!!
In a weird way Jokic never left Mega Basket he exchange SRB player development organization to NBA player development organization Denver Nuggets .. :D He is destroying his carrier its insane and if KCP leaves and MPJ stays its over for him till 2027 and after that he is out of his prime ..
MPJ have similar results vs Portland Miami (last year Bruce Brown bail him out so Nuggets won) and this year vs Wolfs but there was no BB to bail him out with 15 20 pts..MPJ could not play in EuroLigue he would avrg 5 pts a game ..
He should demand a trade, even if he doesn't mean it, just to put some pressure on the owners. They'll have him play with Braun as a starter next year, which is unfair even to Christian, who isn't ready.
Then, once they fail, Matt will come on this show and trash Jokic, and a lot of Nuggets fans will believe him. The fans are going to turn against him when he doesn't win, so he might as well demand a trade.
yeah, MPJ + Murray 2 of 10 worst contracts in the whole league
@@bububaba8815CB would be f great alongside Jokić don't u worry
You guys are all prisoners of the moment and should watch entire seasons instead of just the playoffs
Remember all the hand wringing after Jerami Grant left? Hate to see KCP leave but Nuggs can still improve even if he does
Also its weird that Denver Nuggets media is quick to judge Jokic what he didnt do well (he was exhausted caring this garbage team for 4 years) but at the same time jump of the cliff to defend Jamal and MPJ disaster of the season .No other team media do that for their all star (best player) And that proves that even your media dont know how to handle player like Jokic and his greatness.
Dude Jokic gets praised constantly and it’s deserved. To point out when he is not great is just part of the game. We don’t need to be offended by it
I do agree that the media and FO must share the same mindset that MPJ and Muarry are too important. I would look at them as trade assets and we should move on from them. I'll give MPJ and Muarry their due but let's not pretend that this team will be a good team without Jokic.
Greatness? Lol he has never defeated a 50 win team in his life and never will. Just like the Celtics got a cakewalk to the finals, the nuggets got a cake walk to the chip with only playing against play in teams.
@@AngelValdez-mr3fq 3x mvp and champion. Dawg no one cares what you think. He will go down as one of the greatest
@Troll-vj6sy He's a fraud and when he retires without ever beating a single 50 win team, those mvps are not gonna be worth dirt. The same people that voted him mvp are the same people that were calling Ben Simmons the next LeBron James. Real nba fans know the mvp is a joke by how inconsistent the voters are. They pick the winner before the season even starts then move the goalposts for them to win. It doesn't make any sense but keep rooting for a statpadding bum.
With so many restrictions regarding contracts, second aprons etc, you need a more energetic and agile GM, in my view. Calvin has been sitting on his hands and leaving far too many things to chance.
He failed the team this year and is wasting Joker’s career. I don’t know why we would be afraid of the second apron since Booth doesn’t do any trades or pickups anyway!
Another season will pass without any changes, and they will lose another year.
So...KCP is definitely leaving, it's clear that Calvin Booth is a desperate GM and let them continue with developing players. Jokic, Gordon and Murray can say goodbye to another title, and go to NBA history. Keep MPJ who has a MAX contract that doesn't even deserve half of it. let's develop Zeke until he is 30 years old. I think that after the next season where Denver will enter the play offs with 5 or 6 positions and fall in the first round. Ionda Jokic should simply leave to finish his career and try to win the title with another club..Denver will be among the 5 worst teams in the NBA in 5 years. Goodbye championship nice to have you for once.
If he doesn't trade mpj or jamal u right 💯💯💯 pathetic.... Unbelievable mind-blowing bro 🤣
@@ljutko7 I have watched every Denver game for the last 4 seasons. I used to get up at 2, 3 and 4am to watch the games just like when Divac and Peja played for the Kings and I get annoyed when the 3-time MVP doesn't get worthy reinforcements to win at least one more ring. Who is smart to develop 5 young players when you have 4 starters in their prime.
@@JovicaMilutinovic brate neverovatno. Ustajemo i gledamo a ne verujemo sta ces 🤷
Julian Strawther should have played much more throughout the season once he returned from injury, he has size and shoots better than everyone on the bench.
I don’t understand why people saying trade mpj his second full year with out the injury and he played 81 games this season and had a good season. Yall crazy we need a real point guard and put Jamal at the 2. But also getting a back up center or power forward will be great
I don't want statue in the offense that can only shoot 3's.
I personally think trading MPJ is the way to go, easier to replace his skillset and open up cap space. Also his trade value is decent.
There were 3 other (besides Mike) players in the NBA that avg 15+ pts 6+ reb and shoot 40% from 3…Lebron and KAT were 2 of em. How easy is that skill set to be replaced? From your THIRD option?! Lol.
@@robshelden4670 Okay does he show up consistently?
Name another 6’10 45% 3 pt shooter that’s not Kevin Durant. He’s also a very good rebounder and good help defender now too.
We saw in the playoffs how hard is to replaced that, he was what 3-12 from the field, 1-6 for 3pt in game 7, once he can't make 3's he is useless. I would rather have 35% from the 3 guy that can drive to the rim than MPJ.
@@50thgz he’s still a cone on defence , & only grabs easy rebound can never get a 50/50 rebound & shot 39% from 3 this year & 40% last year & what’s the point of being 6.10 if u can’t score inside and create match up problems for the opposing team ? 🤦🏾♂️
From the exit interview press conference with Nuggets brass ...it was clear that KCP won't come back...that's what I read between the lines
why shouldnt he come back he will not get more money anywhere else he is not a good off player and not a defensive team defender
@@Serenity01871 KCP is a stud. Hope he stays but he will be missed.
@@Serenity01871 kcp is a big reason the nuggets won last year put that pipe down
Hes going to the sixers or magic
After very bad vibes season, Adam predicting that next season will have even more tension...the dynasty really ended before it began...I just want to mention that Luka plays most minutes in the league with most on ball minutes in the league, he plays every summer for Slovenia, he played almost 40 minutes every game after ASB, DAL pushed very hard for last 2 months of the regular season. They literarily played PO defense effort in most matches after ASB to get the to 5th seed, so it's not about physical exhaustion, it's about mental exhaustions, they need to find their vibes, they need to find motivation, they need to enjoy their job to be fresh...
I don't disagree but Jokic is just under 7' and 300lbs, it's not the same
@@MikeMike-qb6oywhat about jamal who presented himself out of shape and overweight in octobre
Toronto gets MPJ, Zeke, and Jackson
Denver gets Olynyk, their 19th pick, and their 31st pick in this year's draft.
Denver clears almost 50 million from their books and introduces more flexibility for the future and shakes up the bench a ton (it wasn't working anyway) and gets a playmaking backup 5 that can help run the bench.
Toronto gets an actual forward that could stretch the court and MPJ gets a chance to have a larger role.
Porter is still very young. They ran into a hot team. King Kong lost. So did Godzilla. Now with the length of season, the constant interviews, salary crap, etc….. it’s tough to maintain. My gut feeling from last year was that they didn’t reload enough. Watson and Braun may evolve, as well as Porter.
Yay I made it live
Bogi would be a great fit, not a big contract.
Losing KCP already means their strategy of relying exclusively on their starters is out the window. So, they have to win differently. And that means mixing up their lineups and playing 10-11 players with Jokic. And having at least 3 starters with the backups at all times.
It’s not worth going into the second apron to retain KCP. He will get his bag somewhere else like Bruce. The problem for the Nuggets is MPJ and his contract. He is under performing his contract, and, his contract is eating up too much cap and pushing us too close to the second apron. So the question going forward is … is it more likely that MPJ can play up to his $36 mio contract or is it more likely that we can trade him for two players for the same money who can contribute more than MPJ. At the very least Calvin needs to explore trades for MPJ.
KCP definitely leaving if Bruce can get 22 mill , KCP will get more. This offseason is so important and CB in the starting line up isn’t great. Trading MPJ is so stupid imo but if/ when KCP leaves might be force to look at a trade. I think poa defenders are so important for this team. I know CB is decent but his screen navigation needs to be better.
Bruce got 22 mil a year because he signed a 1 year deal with a team option. Grayson Allen just signed a 4 year 70 million deal. Paying KCP over 22 mil wouldn’t be a wise decision
The Nuggets best team was KCP, Bruce Brown, AND Braun… now they’re down to just Braun?! Terrifying!
RIP Nuggets dynasty (2023-2023)
Go find a bee hive.
Imagine posting on other teams podcasts lol, go touch grass
Yeesh I would fight to keep him.
I wouldnt. I would have a hard cap on the number I'd pay KCP. He's 31 going on 32. We've seen the best of KCP in a Nuggets uniform. I wouldn't pay him more than 15 million a year [and I'd prefer it to be a descending contract given his age]. If a team offers 20 or 25, aint no chance in hell I would pay that. He's an aging 2 guard who really only guards 1s and 2s. That's not worth 20 mill.
We should not break up the starting 5, we need to improve our bench. Braun and Reggie is the only two we should keep and maybe Holiday.
It’s crazy how a lot of our so called fans want some of our best players traded. We won a championship with our starters last year and tied for first this year. News flash everyone we’re still a good team, we lost key contributors and we felt that by not replacing them, if the bench was better we could’ve made it far but y’all want to dismantle the whole team and keep Jokic like that’s going to work. If it doesn’t upgrade, it doesn’t make sense and we’re good on it.
MPJ for Bogdanovic and Capela, Zeke for Micic and we can keep KCP.
Malone did not handle development very well…Shocking I know! But that’s what this season as really for, Booth stated preseason, this season was huge for developing the youngsters, Moach dropped the ball.
Don’t worry matt, I’m sure we’ll be able to keep KCP. I mean he said it himself he wants to run it back. He and his family love it in Denver not sure why leave
If a team offers substantially more than the Nuggets are able to offer or more than they are willing to offer, that changes the calculus a bit.
@@Sean.Cordes shit I hope not, cuz KCP even said that more likely he doesn’t plan to just walk. I hope we can extend him. Idk who would but we have a strong chance I’m sure of retaining him still
Same BB Said. Pathetic he going for money... I don't understand but i understand it... They want money not 🏆 🤷
KCP's free agency is not the problem. It would be preferable to keep him, of course. But it doesn't matter that much, his contract is replaceable. The real problems are the Nnaji, MPJ and Mal contracts. Nnaji should be traded this off season, and Mal and MPJ should be traded before the trade deadline unless they get themselves to a totally different level which, face it, ain't going to happen by this point. Sadly, this front office is probably too overly attached in human terms and sunk costs too. If the Nuggets front office played like the Mavs' front office, the Nuggets could field a contending roster in this new league. Will they play like that though...
I think Jamal deserves one more season to prove himself. MPJ on the other hand is done, needs to be traded. I agree, we just needed ONE more rotation player and we would’ve beaten Minnesota and likely Dallas. Front office is really dropping the ball.
@@gnomechomsky2524 But how many seasons has Mal's physical condition already cost the Nuggets of Jokic's prime?
Also, does it make sense to pair the best decisionmaker in basketball history with a poor decisionmaking point guard and primary ball handler? It's not that Mal can't make plays, he can, at a high level even, but that isn't his focus, he's trying to be all star murray, playoff murray. he's not playing jokic's brand of basketball.
if u had a backup big like gafford u had maybe a chanche against the wolves
@@gnomechomsky2524a gafford and royce o neal for a few picks would have been enough
can't trade them though, the contracts are untradeable
Matt blocked me 2 years ago because I simply said CB should have played more and it was Malone's biggest limit to overplay old players...so yeah He hates the dude 🤣😅
Easy just trade a max player simple.
If KCP goes, DNVR doesn't have any chance for championship
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@@ljutko7 moj te tutko
@@jovanmrgodic4108 😉
I still have confidence in Zeke,
at the 4
Buahahahahahaha
I still love you even if I am blocked though Matt 🥰
i watched kcp miss more open layups last season than any other player combined im not sure why everyone is acting like they didnt see it
hes just washed might as well get with gms idea and put cb in starting lineup and play pwat more off the bench
He's not washed but I think he's about to get paid more than he is worth.
Since I like him as player, I'm happy for him to secure the bag- as a nuggets fan, they should not overpay for him.
Zeke is not a center, that's the problem.
GM & Coach butted heads = GM won. Malone will PLAY the youth.
KCP is gone. CB is 2 & Mal will be in shape; MMA all summer.
Nuggets will draft Dillon Brooks and Triston Newton and only offer 3yr. extension.
Picking up Vlatko option and Reggie stays on player option.
Jay Huff is on the roster and will sign UDFA Quinton Post to 2-way with Key and Newton. Maybe sign Jordan and Holiday
In shape Murray? I believe it when I see it, I give it 50-50
Your GM is a clown. You already lost Brown and Green...you lose KCP. Forget your season next year.
Agree. To think u can have 6 7 8 rookies or something like that in Jokić prime and to think u can win, i mean u must be 🤡
I agree, unfortunately. Too bad they let Tim Connelly go.
@@danesovic7585 Tim Connelly is partially to blame for the current inflexibility with the roster construction. Signing MPJ to a max deal after one season was a bad move and if the nuggets keep him they'll have to deal with it till 2027.
@@meant8100% Tim left Calvin in a sticky situation every1 blaming Calvin when Tim is 2 partially 2 blame yes Calvin should of made some moves but there really isn’t any cap space & that’s because of Tim giving young unproven & injury prone players all star player max contracts
So, if KCP doesn’t come back, why not bring Bruce back in his place?
Bruce brown comeback? 😂 I can hope right?
Cant afford him still. He's still under contract for north of 20 million.
There is a guy we can get - Vasilije Micić and he is better than Hayward
They need to bring in Micic and Bogdanovic.
Don't worry guys KCP undersized, 10-15 points a game. Disappointed against the wolves. Idemo matori. Zivela Srbija. No one cares about the seeding anymore. LA last year and Mavs this year showed it. The vets will all be injured by the end of the year.
The idea that Nuggets can get players to be nr1 defence in the playoffs is not valid. Because you don't have a rim protector anyway. I don't see how we can be nr1 defence with Jokic. We need to play to our strengths. Wich is offense.
Losing Kcp is more of an issue than you guys make out. His shooting is the main reason. Minus 1 shooter around Jokic, then Jokic/Murray don't get the space they have now. You can't have more than one non shooter. Wich is Gordon.
KCP is gone and so are the Nuggets chances at the chip. You can spin it however you want, Braun is nowhere near that level (yet, or maybe ever). You ain't wining anything with such a glaring hole at 2 spot (on offense OR on defense), or has everyone forgot Will Barton?
I love Kcp but he is the weakest link in the team. He is a great defender for sure but he is undersized against big guards/ wings and his offense rarely goes beyond 10 points per game.
Braun could be better in everything (rebounding, blocks, scoring )
Hahaha u funny 🤣
Id trade for Bogdanovic.
Kcp average 10 points. Why matt hate CB i can't say ..but CB can average 12 i bet! We need change other than that! Mpj or jamaj or I don't give a f! Same team can't repeat 💯💯💯💯🤷 sorry
Second, Malone must change politics, MUST! And booth same, bring f veterans my god can't have 7 rookies or so .. in middle of Jokić prime!!! Are u kidding me 😭
Hes gone
Lmfao firstoff murray is a weak link to this team, he is weak minded , soft let's his injuries affect his play...we have seen too many examples of ppl playing through their injuries and still excelling where murray chokes and let's the injury affect him...and as long as he is injury prone the nuggets don't have a chance to win another championship, time to cut the losses and get rid of him and MPJ period
I cant see them move from Gillespie. Id rather see him in the backup PG role than almost anyone. I could see moving from Hunter Tyson and maybe Pickett. But Gilespie really showed great stuff in basically his first year.
Gillespie showed some growth but I don’t think he either gets or is capable of including the rest of the guys on the floor, and I think the cohesion of all five on the floor is a big part of what makes the nuggets great. Not a fan of Gillespie at all personally.
Between Boston and Dallas. All 6 teams they had to beat to even get to the finals had a better regular season record than the BEST team Denver played in last years title run. There should literally be an Asterix by the Nuggets championship. The Heat would have been the worst to team to ever win an NBA Championship, had they pulled off the upset. Maybe the easiest, most meaningless ring of all time.
They swept Bron and AD...shit easier said than done...some fan online think you was handed a title...fans think teams pick who they play...dumb take...you play who you play...
Stop it u 🧂 little man
Denver played who was infront of them. If anything it says more about the team that lost to the lower-seeded team.
Jokic has never beaten a 50 win team and never will. He is a statpadding bum and a disgrace to basketball.
You argue as if you just started watching basketball last year and you don't know what an asterisk is.
Maybe finish 8th grade before you start trolling.
Or if you are looking to be the new Kendrick Perkins, you are right on track!
Last year Jokic chances of wining championship was 50% 50% Nuggets finally traded for some decent players like KCP and Bruce Brown and he had average team to work with.
This year Jokic had 40% 60% of wining the championship by losing Bruce Brown.
Next year if Jokic lose KCP he will have 30% 70% procent chances of wining the championships.
And from this point out till 2027 MPJ contract expires chances of Jokic wining championship will go down and after 2027 he will be out of his prime and its over.
In other words if Jokic stays with Denver Nuggets Nikola may not win another ring ever again.
If you are Nikola Jokic fan or even Denver Nuggets fan you should be wish for him to get traded and save his carrier he give everything to Denver he deserve to get traded.
agree, don't have good odds to win with two of the worse contracts in the league, Murray+MPJ, last season was one in a million
With another all-star and some solid role players, he would be able to win championship every year.