Arguments for Which Out of Brodeur, Hasek and Roy is the Greatest of the Modern Era
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Hey all and I saw this on Twitter this morning, decided to reopen this debate.
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I think another stat that I don’t see brought up when it comes to Dominik Hasek that helps his case is the fact that he is the only goaltender in the history of the league to lead the league in save percentage in a season while also facing the most shots per game and he did it twice
@@cheetohands9 he was so good he got BUFFALO to a Stanley cup final 😁
Absolutely had the highest peak.
@@3ggh3adBuffalo has only been tremendously bad in recent history, they were quite good for a long time.
@@chrismdb5686 - I don't know if you can honestly say "quite good" about a team that had Mike Peca and Miro Satan as their leading scorers. Without Hasek, they don't even sniff the playoffs.
Don't mean to discredit Hasek, but it's a known fact that goalies tend to have higher save percentages in games where they face more shots.
Hasek won the gold medal for the Czech Republic almost single handedly in 1998. 4-1 vs the US, 2-1 (SO) vs Canada and 1-0 vs Russia. Those are essentially 3 game 7's in a row against a Team USA who won the World Cup in 96, the most stacked Team Canada up to that point, and an amazing Russian team. No room for error in the last two games against arguably superior competition.
Completely agree, that's why when Shannon says Roy for a game 7 Cup Final, I have to think "ummm, but what about......". Another was the playoff battle head to head vs Brodeur in 1993-94:
BUF 2-0 (shots 22-30) *1ENG
NJD 2-1 (shots 32-24)
NJD 2-1 (shots 26-30)
BUF 5-3 (shots 30-23)
NJD 5-3 (shots 34-20) *1ENG
BUF 1-0 (shots 50-70) ^4 OT, 70 Save Shutout
NJD 2-1 (shots 46-18)
Likely the greatest goaltending series of all time... Hasek, 0.950 Save% on 260 shots, Brodeur 0.927 Save% on 193 shots
@@FHL-Devils Quick vs Fleury in the first year of the VGK where they went to the cup was like that. Quick gave up 7 goals on 131 shots and got swept lol.
He barely had any goals against him that whole tournament so it's a little bit deceptive the impact he made given how little any team happen to score on him that tournament. I don't know if there's a stat that can show this but i watched it on tv and i could see this from my very eyes... So it doesn't count- in my most humble of hockey opinion...
Olympic Gold
@@biffdanielson2820 You'll have to ask Hasek who has both. Roy didn't even medal
It's Hasek without a doubt.
THIS 100%!
Still remember his 98 Olympic run, the most ridiculous goaltending Ive ever seen.
Hasek in his prime was the most dominant goalie that hockey has ever seen. Six Vezina trophies is incredible; two consecutive Hart trophies is mind blowing.
I'd rank them Hasek, Roy, and Brodeur in that order. But all three of them are outstanding. Maybe the best era of goaltending in the entire history of the league.
He should've had 7. The one year they gave the vezina to Jim Carey, Hasek got cheated imo.
I the dead puck era flattered Hasek
@@matthewholz7747 - It's the goalies' job to stop the puck. Hasek did so at a higher rate than any other goaltender in NHL history. Doesn't matter if it's 20 shots a game or 40 - Hasek stopped a higher percentage than anyone else.
@BloggerMusicMan i agree. All 3 of them are 1a 1b 1c. Not to mention Khabibulin, turco, luongo, kippersof?(idk how to spell his name) id even throw osgood in there. Ozzy was always solid. Quite a few goats in the late 90s 00s and 10s in their own right.
Jacques Plante won 7.
Patrick Roy won three Conn Smythe Trophy, no other player matched that.
Thank you for reiterating that Patrick Roy would never, ever been traded to the Nordique if they stayed in Quebec City.
I always wonder if he somehow knew that, which led to the famous walkout.
He would have probably gotten traded to Detroit though 😅
I had this conversation with my buddy last night 😂 Clearly THG was listening in, lol.
Only would have happened if he signed as a free agent (which doesn't seem insane given he's a native of Québec
@@ThirdEye3pic Serge Savard tried lol. Savard offered just Roy but Scotty Bowman told him the Wings couldn't afford it so Savard circled back trying to get a deal done with Colorado for Owen Nolan plus additional players.
I’m a Montreal fan so Roy obviously has a place in my heart and was an unbelievable wall. His aura of just eyes behind a mask was intense and really cool. That being said, I remember almost incredulously laughing at Hasek. He would fling himself around and somehow stop the puck every time to the point you’d have to chuckle and say “how in the hell did he stop that?!” He was almost breakdancing it seemed like. I haven’t seen anyone like Hasek since. I’d probably draft Roy on my team but I’d be sweating bullets with either Hasek or Marty in the other net.
Brodeur was a habs killer too. 45-19-5-1 against the habs. Marty always played his best against the habs and i hated that so much ! hahaha
Hasek in his prime is the best goalie I have ever seen. I watched Roy and Brodeur also for years.
Also brodeur had the benefit of the NJ Devils trap playing in front of him
Roy is the GOAT
No debate
@@UnquenchableHatred yes there is. Roy didn't dominate in the way hasek did. He also had strong teams ahead of him too most of his career. Hasek didn't have a very dominant buffalo team but he still made them relevant. Hasek started his career late and still won a lot.
@@JarradBruessel32 I wouldn't call the '86 and '93 Habs dominant teams, not even close lol. He had that X factor that could literally drag an okay team through the playoffs, same as Hasek and Price to some degree (and what I wouldn't give to know what kind of career Price would've ended up having had he managed to stay healthy...)
Ed Belfour was great as well
Hasek hands down. He did so many things we would never see again. No one could play like hasek could. Its what made him the best. If you can be copied, you aren't the best. Hasek couldn't. I have seen very little goalie saves or movements the last 20 years that made me think "that looks like something hasek would do." The only thing that comes to my mind was bobrovsky moving around on his back with no idea where the puck was during the finals. That movement of him not doing it conventionally and still managing to get across and make any save was the first time in a decade I have said "that looked like hasek." Brodeur and roy we have seen guys play like them and emulate their style. With hasek there was no copying it. He was unique and he made saves we would never see anyone else make and he made changes to the position that others would eventually learn but still couldn't do quite like him.
I played hockey in a very serious under under10 house league back in my playing days and our coach always told us goaltenders "don't watch Hasek play, but if you do then don't catch me watching your play like Haset... There's not a goaltending coach in their right minds- who has a job- that would tell a goaltender- in any age at any level- to emulate Hasek... Brodeur, on the other hand, was a goaltending coach's wet dream! That is why he is always put in these all-time lists because every goaltender of the next generation- including me- based their game off of his- more than any other goaltender of his era or before... He was also the only goaltender on that list who could hand the puck and pass- so well he was practically their third defensemen when the puck went behind his net which led to the infamous "Brodeur" rule we have today in the NHL, the stupidest and one of the most dangerous rules of all time, i might add! So, yes, Hasek had the highlight saves, Roy had the cups, but Martin had the sound positioning and modern technique down pact before anyone else and he was a game changer- they changed the rules cause of him as i pointed out above... So that's more deserving to be considered an all-time greatest than Hasek's flip flops around the net...
Roy-for making a good team feel unstoppable
Hasek-for always giving mediocre teams a chance
Broduer-for pure consistency
I like Hasek the most so I say he’s the best, plus I would love to see these goalies in there prime against modern players
It would be interesting to see if all three guys were born in the year 2000, how modern goaltending techniques would help/hurt their game. Hasek would have to play differently considering players with modern sticks can more easily get the puck in the air and on net. But he obviously had something genetically that made him pretty unreal in the net that would probably translate to today's game.
WIth the carbon fiber sticks modern forwards wield, they would all be smoked... Puck moves too fast now a days, your only chance is sound positioning and play anticipation... Let's see them flip around and stack save a Bedard snapper- or any top scorer these days for that matter...
@@v4v819 I mean, if they're born in the year 2000, they grow up learning modern techniques with better equipment too. Rob Stauber's kid plays a way different game than his dad did, but he's still a solid AHL goalie.
I was born in '98, so by the time I started watching hockey religiously, Roy and Hasek were retired, and Brodeur was in his mid 30s. However, I love watching Hasek's highlights the most because his style was wild. His career save percentage is nuts. Brodeur's wins, shutouts, and games played records are nuts. Roy's playoff wins record is nuts. I'd say that they're all pretty good.
@@InsignificantNick before I was a Habs fan, I was a Patty Roy fan. He just looked so cool in his gear. Hasek was always nuts to see. He’d always be the highlight of the night
Your opinion is pretty irrelevant here sorry, not trying to be rude but highlights aren't even close to a full picture. You can debate Price, Fleury, Lundqvist though.
@@MotterPotterGatekeep elsewhere, your opinion is unwanted.
@@chrismdb5686 It's not an opinion.. it's factual.
Ah, yes. The comments will now engage in the Great Goalie War.
Let the bloodbath begin!😂
Freddy Brathwaite!
@@gohabs8918 Ron Tugnutt!
David Ayres!
John Vanbiesbrouck!
I think the 2001 Stanley Cup Finals really showed us that Roy is better then Brody at his best. Brodeur was a brick wall, but Roy transcended the very spirit of stopage itself during those finals.
Brodeur maximized his situation.
Not to take anything away from Roy, but -01 Colorado was stacked
Hasek is the G.O.A.T. No one could have or has done what Hasek had done. Especially after spending most of his career on a team that even today. Can't get out of their own way even today.
I said this in the 1993-94 video: at his peak, nobody could beat Hasek. I say this as a Devils fan who saw most of Brodeur’s career. But there is something to be said for Marty’s longevity.
@@tehbeernerd that 94 series with the sabres was insane… mostly bc the devils were the much better team but couldn’t get the puck by hasek. I saw hasek do things in that series that has made me think he is the best goalie of all time. I also had season tickets from 93-06 basically brodeurs entire prime and I think 94 hasek is the greatest goalie of all time.
Allowing for Marty not facing a ton of shots thanks to the Jersey trap, he took MAD care of himself and that helped his longevity
I swear the mfer never and I mean NEVER got injured
@@MrBlazemaster525Marty got called fat and out of shape his entire career. I remember one year he lost 15-20 pounds before the season and he had to gain it back, he said he couldn’t move even though he was smaller
That was a super brief part of his career. Most of his best years were in the late 2000s with a decent to solid defense in front of him not trap and the elite defenseman in front of them
Something I'm not seeing a lot of is his stick handling. Brodeur was incredible with the stick, enough so that he inspired rule changes.
Hasek, Roy, Brodeur. Stanley Cups are won by teams. But stand-alone play Hasek was above everyone.
One word to make the case for Hašek - Nagano. Roy made the saves, but Hašek allowed the team in front of him to play relaxed, with more confidence.
Could say the same for Roy (the goat)
@@UnquenchableHatredwho got caught hot dogging in 2002 and lost his team a chance at the cup? Brodeur. Who then choked to a minnesota wild team who had no reason to be in the playoffs. Roy. Roy was fine but not the best.
@@JarradBruessel32He was at the end of his career against the Wild, I don't think that should affect his legacy. Hasek lost his starting spot to Osgood in the 08 playoffs, so none of these guys had perfect careers
To be fair Nagano is in Japan and Hasek is from the Czech Republic. So whatever he accomplished there, doesn't count...
@@v4v819 lmfao nagano was the olympics bud
Its Hasek and then theres everyone else. I play goalie half because of Roy but Hasek is the GOAT.
Going with Hasek then Roy then Brodeur.
I'd probably go Hasek over Roy for two reasons:
1. 1998 Olympics. Beat him head to head.
2. The famous (and likely apocryphal) story of him coming in against the Pens in the 92 final when the Pens were on their way to a sweep, and Jagr coming over to Mario in the intermission and basically saying "we have to beat these guys RIGHT NOW" because he knew that Hasek might be able to drag the Hawks back from 3-0.
Can’t forget 2002 Roy vs Hasek in Western Final and Roy got shelled in Game 7 and never recovered from the game 6 dropped puck”
@@MrVietDonger-y9l - Yup, the Statue of Liberty play - hockey version. If Roy wasn't such a showboat, I'd have more respect for him, but there's just no way he can be #1. The math just doesn't math that way.
Wings were stacked. The Avalanche put up a hell of a fight @@MrVietDonger-y9l
@@MrVietDonger-y9l Roy is easier to rattle compared to Hasek, all it takes is one bozo mistake from Roy to really get him off his grove.
Shannon, I'm a wings fan however Glenn Hall who started with the wings. Then was traded to Chicago played 502 games in a ROW without a mask. and during practice with the Hawks. He was facing the headhunter Bobby Hull with his curved blade. And as Gordie Howe was "Mr. Hockey". Glenn Hall was "Mr. Goalie" He was the 1st choice of Scotty Bowman in the 1968 expansion. Remarkable career. Keep up the great work, love all that you do.
Hasek vs Roy in Olympics for all the marbles.
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Roy had the chance to own the title with a stacked Canada team ... And Hasek was the difference. Hasek was also the ONLY NHL goalie to win the Hart as league MVP twice.
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That 90s era was great for goaltending ... Belfour, Richter, Joseph, Vernon, Fuhr ... and throw in some vintage Maclean, Barrasso, Vanbiesbrouck and Osgood. Great time to be a hockey fan!
Kind of a not great time to be a Blues fan though, trading young Joseph for the very tail end of Fuhr and the watching stacked late 90s and early 2000s teams leave the playoffs early because of crappy goal tending.
Mike Keenan, not even once.
People tend to dismiss the X-factor that Roy had. Hasek was the best goalie of the modern era, that's for sure. But goalie performance is not steady and you want the goalie with the highest peaks of performance when it truly matters, and because of that Roy is the goalie you should want for a game 7. It's really hard to bet against the guy with 3 Conn Smythes. Roy has proven over and over how much of a gamer he is. If you want to win the president's trophy, pick Hasek, if you want the cup, pick Roy
and if you want a gold medal, pick Hasek.
I'd actually choose Cujo for game 7! He stole series from far greater all-time teams like Dallas Stars- who defeated Hasek and Buffalo! So even though he didn't pan out for the Red Wings i think in his prime in the 90's if he was on a contender he's be a cup winner and if he was on a A team like the Stars or Red Wings he'd probably be on the dynasty of the era and everyone would be talking about him in the all-time mix... Loungo also was a super freak and if was on a worthy team would win a cup or a few... So we put a lot of emphasis on players who win cups but it's a team sport and you are at the mercy of your franchise and team and the managers and other players around you, hold your fate- or in this case, legacy...
May I introduce the 2002 Detroit vs Colorado series because game 6 Colorado was all over Detroit and the one game you needed Dom to be the God he is, he did it! What happened after that Roy was beaten and Dom was again in the biggest moments against Roy 2-0. He won in the Olympics and now in the playoffs. Case closed.
@@gutetime3039 lmfao oh yeah, shortly before Roy's retirement. Great example to prove a point. 4 cups, all time leader in playoffs wins and 3 Conn Smythes, an NHL record. Case closed.
@@L0uisRp Roy and Hasek were born in the same year and Roy was a first-team all-star in 2002
If you want any goalie for a game 7 of a Stanley cup final, it has to be St. Patrick. There are so many quality goalies but Patrick was a guy who when he decided you weren't getting past him was simply unbeatable , and there is no one else I'd want in the net if given the choice.
I unfortunately never experienced any of them play, but I'd give Roy the greatest just because of how much he completely changed the game with his perfection of the Butterfly style. I know Esposito did it first, but in hockey goaltending there is a clear pre-Roy and post-Roy era, which in addition to his excellent career and playoff performances I'd give it to him.
Absolutely no disrespect to Haşek and Brodeur though.
Glenn Hall was the first to do the butterfly and dominate with it, he was as consistent as Brodeur, played behind a firewagon team, and always on top of his game. Only won one cup (basically carried the Hawks to that Cup in 1961), but got the Conn Smythe in a 4 game sweep against him. So he was great in the big games too.
One key everyone seems to ignore about Marty is his rebound and stick control was elite over the other two. His ability to play the puck and direct rebounds into the corner boards took away so many opportunity from the opposing teams. So much so his own defense talked about how they would avoid getting hit and moving the puck out of the zone became a lot easier. Their 3 cups wins he could have won conn. 1995 - 1.67 .928, 2000 -.927 1.61 and 2003 - .934 1.65 Those number topped both Roy and Hasek cup years. I vote Marty, but for one game had to win I would take Roy. Marty worst career stat though is overtime wins in Playoffs. Devils were just a lousy team when it came to OT games.
Good point, no question that Brodeur was the best puck handling goalie ever. Hell, the NHL made a rule to counter his effectiveness. He was that dominant with the puck. Was almost like having a 3rd defenseman.
I think fans confuse Greatest and Best. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
In terms of goaltenders, especially these 3... Roy is the greatest, Hasek is the best.
Roy has an NHL record of 3 Conn Smythe trophies and is a 4 time cup winner on top of all his other records and stats. He is the greatest.
Hasek is the most talented goaltender to ever play. He literally would win games all on his own when the Sabres had no business winning games.
Cups are won by teams, not goalies. Conn smythe generally requires winning the cup, so it's also one of the most team performance biased awards. Hasek dominated the personal accolades and it's not close. No other goalie has anywhere near 6 Vezina and he's the only goalie with two Hart trophies to Roy's zero.
@@johanjarvinen Roy is the reason his teams won Cups in the first place
This is the correct answer
@@clubpenguin13531 Roy never won the cup with an underdog team. The Canadiens teams were consistent good to great teams that never faced a team that was more than 2 points ahead of them in the standings during the regular season. He had two of the all time best two-way forwards on the first of those Canadiens teams who helpt keep him to 25 shots against per game during those playoffs and in '92-'93 he had Damphousse, Muller, Bellows, Keane, Savard, Dejardins, LeClair... Those were very strong teams regardless of who their goalie was.
@@johanjarvinen ok, I didn't say they were underdog teams. I'm saying that they don't win their Cups without him. And Buffalo played a good defensive structure as well
I got to be in the stands for the 96 Avs playoff run except for the finals. I was in the stands for the 2001 Avs playoff run through to and including game 7 when they beat Brodeur.
Roy was just fantastic. I love Hasek and respect Brodeur, but watching Roy in his time doing his thing was special.
Patrick Roy: god
Martin Brodeur: chubby god
Dominik Hasek: slinky god
😂 perfect
Curtis Joseph: dog
For Roy don't you mean King?
@@BloodRider1914You mean God king?
marty buddah
I saw all since the mid 60s. Sabres season ticket holder in so biased, but Hasek. And all on a mostly lousy teams in Buffalo. 0.97 GAA and .961 save % in Nagano. Plus the Shootout.
Awesome discussion and way to put it with goalies
Hasek, for me
Thanks, I enjoyed that a lot!
Something about Brodeur... That 125 shutouts is first all time by a country mile, passing Terry Sawchuk in second by 22. I think I am a bit biased towards towards Brodeur because his longevity was absolutely ridiculous. He started 70+ games 12 times in his career, that's outrageous. Leading the 2012 NJD to a Stanley Cup Final as a freshly turned 40 year old is also wild.
He is kind of like the Tom Brady of goaltenders. Was put into the perfect system to succeed and did it for an insanely long time, some of those counting stats are tough to ignore. This begs the question to me of whether you are asking who the best goaltender was on a per save basis (athleticism), counting stats, accolades? Its very subjective.
@@devackroyd that’s a fair analogy
he was a workhorse
plus he arguably made those post 03 devils teams viable once all the old stars retired and new ones weren't as good or left
Hasek is just an alien, overall hes on another level. Roy is the most clutch goalie ive ever seen though, if you needed a win no one showed up like Roy
You have valid points for sure, myself I would put Hasek 1st with Roy 2nd. But it is an argument that can't bee settled. Thanks for the video on this one.
My all time favorite athlete is Martin Brodeur but I also ranked the top 3 as Roy, Hasek and Marty.
Roy is the most clutch goalie ever, Hasek in his prime was the most dominant goalie ever and these two literally intimidated the opposition just with their presence and aura of "you're not scoring on me tonight".
I'm a hardcore Devils fan so I've seen Marty's full career and to me he had the coolest style of them all. With his smaller pads and old school chest pad etc. He made it look so fun to play in nets. Whether it was the two pad stack, the around the world saves, masterful glove saves or acting as a 3rd dman and actually scoring goals. Forever my idol. ❤
Thanks for the content. Cheers
Love Marty for keeping the standup style alive a bit longer at least
Missing in the honourable mentions. Vladislav Tretiak. Most North Americans like to forget about him. 😉
Well, that opens whole can of worms with Dzurilla, Holecek and others. No way to compare.
@@laughingbeast4481 not the same level of argument for anyone else. Tretriak frequently played against only the greatest all star NHL players during his international career. And was phenomenal. He is probably the only international goalie, other than Hasek, that genuinely looked like they could stop entire star loaded teams, by themselves. Though, Hasek never played behind players that were as skilled as Roy, Brodeur or Tretiak.
@@crispymeowmeow I always thought if Tretiak ever played in the NHL he would be exposed as a not so great goalie. But maybe that was my extreme anti-Soviet bias. But his career consisted mostly of walkovers over vastly inferior teams made up mostly of students & beer league level players and every four years or so he'd have to face some fair competition in the Canada Cup. Now, as I'm older & more experienced, I think he probably would have made the grade as a full time NHLer. He was a great athlete and would have managed to adjust to a higher level of competition than he usually faced.
@@RRaquello In the 72 Series, Tretiak really only had one great game, that was game 1, the Canadiens figured out how to score on him after that. Although he was good in 72, better then Dryden, I thought Esposito outperformed Tretiak though. However, I think both Canadian goalies underperformed.
Patrick Roy for the legendary soundbites.
My favourite goalies and there teams growing up in the late 80's, 90's and early 00's:
1# Dominik Hasek - Buffalo Sabres
2# Patrick Roy - Colorado Avalanche.
3# Martin Brodeur - New Jersey Devils.
4# Mike Richter - New York Rangers.
5# John Vanbiesbruck - Florida Panthers.
6# Curtis Joseph - Edmonton Oilers & Toronto Maple Leafs.
7# Mike Vernon - Detroit Red Wings.
8# Ed Belfour - Chicago Blackhawks, San Jose Sharks & Dallas Stars.
9# Arthur Irbe - San Jose Sharks, Dallas Stars, Vancouver Canucks & Carolina Hurricanes.
10# Guy Hebert / Jean-Sebastian Giguare - Anaheim Mighty Ducks.
My opinion was always Brodeur among these three, but you bring up good points. Homer bias leads me to pick Hasek as my favorite of the three. Seeing a guy raise the Cup in your favorite team's jersey always makes him seem better. Hated Roy growing up, even though Montreal is my second favorite team - but I just remember him as an Av.
but I like this piece of trivia: Roy was picked in the third round in 1984. The first goalie drafted in 1984 was Craig Billington, by New Jersey, who'd become Roy's backup in Colorado.
I go with this same order for sure....but I just liked Hasek the most haha followed closely by Roy. Roy's iconic soundbite vs JR is so good! Goalies just have great soundbites lol
Great video. These were the 3 best goalies of the 90’s
Hasek is still one of my favorite Red Wings. That 2002 Conference Final against Roy and the Avs was legendary. Down 3-2 in the series, he doesn't allow a goal in Game 6 or 7 to send the Wings to the Finals. My mom bought me a Hasek jersey that year and I wore it the night they won the Cup.
I'll always remember the Roy hot dogging goal from that series 😂
@@justjohnny420”Patrick Roy just got caught hot dogging.”
One of the best calls that will forever haunt me.
Bro he was barely a red wing
We’d be having even more convos if Carey Price would have had at least one good team in front of him. It’s not like how Roy had average teams, Price had horrible teams, and still dragged them into the playoffs, and once to the Finals…with no cardilidge in his knee!!! Henrik Lunqvuist is up there as well if he would have had better teams in front of him. Price was better in my opinion. Imagine if price or Henrik would’ve played for the pens. They’d have like 4-5 cup wins
not even close and im swedish, neither Henrik or Price is close to any of these three giants, also Vasilievsky is better than both of them, he is by far the best goalie in the league in the last 10 years.
@@glennhagstedtKing Henry was GREAT but not an all-time great in the same breath of those on THG’S list. When Vasi retires he’ll probably be in the top 5-7, with another few good years and maybe another Stanley Cup he will edge up to top 5. King Henry is top 20, maybe 15 but that’s a stretch IMHO
Hasek made me curse the most out of these three, so there's that lol
I watched Patrick Roy in his prime as a kid. When it went to game 7 with the AVES you knew that he was going to WIN no matter what. His style of play was incredible . To me he was the best .
Avs
Drop the E
Well, unless it was 2002, when Roy morphed into Red Light Racicot.
@@gokingsgofulthe wings shouldve won that series earlier with how stacked they were
It's Avs, not Avenues
As a Wings fan, I have to say we loved playing against Roy. Chased him from Montreal. His last game for the Avs was against us in the playoffs. 😆
I've seen them all, and they all had their moments. If I had to go to war with one, I'd take Brodeur. Fuhr never gets love on these lists.
Sabres and Hasek fan here. I think you got it right. It’s still incredible to think that the Sabres got him, just 25 games into his career, for Beauregard and a 4th rounder, and he blossomed into one of the 3 best in modern history. Unreal!
Hasek is in the top 5 best save percentages in league history (min 100 games) along with Swayman, Shesterkin, Dryden, and Sorokin. 3 of those are current (meaning less games) and one is not in the current era. Notice the lack of Brodeur and Roy.
in terms of big-game performances and impact on the position and the overall game of hockey, Patrick Roy.
In terms of just being absolutely insanely elite and better than everyone else for a solid decade, Dominik Hasek.
In terms of just being really consistently good, game in game out, for literally 20 years, Martin Brodeur.
Overall I'd rank them in that order.
My devil's advocate argument for Brodeur (who I also rank #3) is that while he is not the best "puck stopper," his presence as what was essentially a third defenceman allowed the Devils to run the system they did and that elevates his ability as a goaltender.
I think Ed Belfour also deserves a mention among best modern era goalies
Eddie Belfour (and Hasek when he came to Detroit) were the nightmare of my Blues. I support this.
Obligatory "it was all Mike Keenan's fault though" as well. That man is more hated in St. Louis than the former Rams owner, the Cubs, and the Hawks combined.
Belfour is the best of the 2nd tier
@@MrBlazemaster525 He's in the mix with Vasilevskiy, Lundqvist, Quick, Price, and Luongo. Maybe Bob. None of those guys have as complete a resume as the big three, though.
My unpopular opinion has always been that Brodeur wouldn’t be ranked equally or below Belfour if he played for any other team
I sent Roy a letter and hockey card probably around 1991. He sent me back my hockey card signed along with a signed promo photo and a pre-written letter. My only regret was not sending a better hockey card, but this is Canada Post we are talking about here 😂.
All three goalies were great. Hasek was fun to watch but he didn't play consistently throughout his career like the other two. Brodeur was a machine when he played in Montreal, I think the Habs only beat him once at home in over 30 games. Brodeur's dad also got first dibs for the hole in the glass to take photos when the Devils played in Montreal.
How is winning 6 vezina trophies in a row and 2 hart trophies back to back with an olympic gold medal during that time considered not playing consistently? Oh, this was also during Roy's and Brodeur's primes.
Amazing that some of us were able to see all three of these guys at their peak. To have all three who are most in consideration for GOAT playing at the same time is unbelievable.
Roy is the only goalie to have deked out Gretzky. GOAT debate is settled.
Hasek was best, and it kills me the Blackhawks didn't know it.
Belfour was nothing to sneeze at.
List of NHL players with three Conn Smythe trophies:
Patrick Roy
That’s it. That’s the list. The greatest player on the biggest stage. Hasek was always my favorite player growing up, but Roy is the best ever.
It has to be Roy, not only for his playing stats but also bc he created the gear & playstyle that ALL modern goaltending is based off, still today. Roy was never afraid to stick his neck out & be different, especially if he felt it gave him the slightest edge over an opponent. Its a mindset he displayed as coach of the Avs too. While other goalies were great athletes, their playstyle became obsolete as skaters became faster, due to modern training, and shots were better due to one-piece sticks. As the game got faster, Roy's approach proved superior as it focused on "playing the percentages" & saving pucks you could see and also ones you couldn't. Standup goalies (reaction style) were taught to perform a specific, full-send movement depending on the shot, but this method really fell apart if the shooter deked or there was a screen. Roy's method was more efficient & has been proven more effective as the game has gotten faster & faster. If you want to look back at pics of his gear, his 95-96 pads were standup style, & he wore the straps loose to allow the pad to rotate when down on the ice. In 96-97 he first wore butterfly specific pad kit developed w the help of Lefebvre from Koho; this marked a move away from standup style & really started the butterfly trend that all modern goaltending is based off. When you have someone that influenced the game as much as he did, thats why he's the best imo.
I have always thought it was Roy. He basically revolutionized the position. Prior to his entrance into the league the majority of goal keepers played a stand up style of goaltending. There were some guys playing around with different styles but Patrick really introduced it and made it main stream. Brodeur took that knowledge and built on it. I also agree that when it comes to crunch time I want the guy with all of the Cups. Hasek was a freak of nature. His tendons are unbelievably flexible and that has allowed him to play the style he plays. He was also amazing with his angles. You cannot flop like he did and not have your angles be spot on if you hope to be successful. I still want the guy that I know is going to put a team on his shoulders and carry them if they have a bad night or struggle in a series. The other deciding factor for me is that I watched Roy from his rookie season and he was always my favorite player so I am a little biased lol....
I think a list of best retired or basically retired (Carey Price and co) that never won cups would be a fun video
I grew up watching more Hasek and hold him higher than Roy but respected both immensely. The Kings fan in me wants Quick in goal for a game 7, though.
I’m still convinced that the Senators would’ve won the cup in 05-06 if Hasek hadn’t gotten hurt at the Olympics.
Patrick Roy - The Greatest Goaltender ever playing for the Habs, The Greatest Hockey Team ever. Magic.
I couldn't hear the question because I have three Conn Smythes plugged in my ears...
Statistically it's Brodeur, however based on eye tests, it was definitely Hasek. Roy is my favourite our of the three. His chirp at Roenick, and his habit of yelling at goal posts, are legendary in my eyes.
I’m getting back into THG mode every day we get closer to the regular season starting.
I agree with your logic. To me the best is the one who you want in your net when the game is on the line. Roy had his blunders, most painfully the one in 2002 against Detroit in the playoffs. But he also won 4 Stanley Cups, and 3 Conn Smythes (a record which still stands). Hasek was undeniably amazing. Him carrying a Sabres team on his back that had no business going that far in the playoffs really said a lot. He’s definitely right up there with Roy, but I think Roy has the edge. There’s also no denying Brodeur was an incredible goalie as well, but I agree that he places third in this discussion.
I wish it was easier to rank guys like Terry Sawchuk against them as well, but like you said, not having seen him play makes it hard, and he also played in a really different era.
The answer changes on my mood, today it's Roy
I'd gladly take the Dominator.
If that ridiculous Brett Hull moment doesn't happen, Hasek would have won a third cup. A cup for a Buffalo team that was riding his coat tails hard.
He would have gotten the Conn Smythe too. Alas the cowardly and inconsistent NHL decided differently.
Add that lights out gold medal performance and he's just the greatest ever.
My ranking not that anyone cares
1. Dominik Hasek
2. Patrick Roy
3. Martin Brodeur
4. Jacques Plante
5. Terry Sawchuk
6. Ken Dryden
7. Glenn Hall
8. Tony Esposito
9. Marc-Andre Fleury
10. Henrik Lundqvist
There's a ton of incredible goalies that I would have as honorable mentions but figured I'd just have my top 10.
Nominees:
Brodeur
Sawchuk
Hasek
Plante
Roy
Great video and discussion. My choice is Hasek, but the other two are also absolutely fantastic.
Cheers 🍺
I think Roy is the best, but maybe that's because I am a Habs fan, and have Habs coloured glasses.
All 3 are very good, but to me Brodeur is the best to control the puck around his net, the same system he played behind couldn't work as well with Hasek and Brodeur.
Hasek was the best to stop a puck. His style gemerated the most highlights reels but he was the worst of the 3 to control the puck around his crease.
And Roy was the most clutch. When he decided he would stop the puck, nothing could get by him.
I'd gladly take Hasek if I had a team with little to none offense and needed to make a cup final. Besides that, the three best goalies after those three would be Johnathan quick, Roberto Luongo, and Henrik Lundqvist which one of these has won the cup as a goalie.
Patrick Roy and it’s not even close. He changed how the position is played when he came into the league using that hybrid butterfly style.
Arguments for Brodeur:
Martin Brodeur has an Olympic gold medal, when Roy was the starter for Canada, Canada didn't even win ANY medal. Oddly Vs Hasek.
Martin Brodeur has the most shutouts of any goalie.
The NHL changed lines in the Rink because of one goalie. When one player forces the league to change the surface everyone plays on that is owning the league.
Goals Scored by a goalie should also be in the consideration.
Also Brodeur also has a "front office Cup" with the Blues as Assistant GM helping build that Cup team.
How about his stickhandling? The rulebook had to be changed.
lol, "goals by goalies", Brodeur has 3 but two of them were own goals that he happened to be the last one to touch. Thats doesnt even count.
I agree with you, Shannon
Roy was the first goalie to adopt/adapt the butterfly style that every goalie in the league uses today. You don't see goalie coaches teach kids to flop around in the crease, always scrambling to get back into position (that's all guys like Hasek and Ranford had). Without Roy, we don't have modern goaltending, and for that, he's the GOAT. 4 cups and 3 Conn Smythe doesn't hurt his case either.
Yes, that's "all" Hasek had... which is why he led the league in save percentage so many times. No one cares how you get the job done as long as you get the job done. Roy is the most influential modern goalie, but Hasek was (statistically) the best.
Hasek didn't scramble around if he didn't have to.
Hasek verses Roy is a tough pick, and Brodeur isn’t in their class.
If my life depended on one to win a game, I’m taking Roy.
I go the other way - Roy's teams were generally far superior to Hasek's (even the 93 Habs, his weakest team that he won with, was probably a lot better than the 99 Sabres).
Balance out the teams and I'd take Hasek.
To me its
1: Roy (best overall)
2: Hasek (best peak)
3: Brodeur (best longevity)
Hasek best goalie.
Roy best career
@@maxentiusdecimus9341fair take, Roy and Hasek r very close for me
Yeah that might be it tbh.
@@maxentiusdecimus9341Their careers are equally fantastic. Hasek was a legend by the time he could come to NHL.
Who would be your top 3 of post lock out? Personally it would go Quick, Hank, Price. And you could argue any order for them.
Couldn’t agree more!
Nagano 98 says Hasek.... Hasek and Jagr beat a team with 99, lindros, Sakic Roy and Brodeur , Stevens, Shanahan, Yzerman, Pronger, Blake, foote, Primeau bourque..
That's insane.
Hasek was the best ever and yes I watched all 3 play for years.
Agree. Good comparison.
Hasek without a doubt. In 8 years, Hasek won 6 Vezinas, 2 Harts, won a gold medal for his country and carried an average sabres team to game 6 of the finals where he posted something like a 94% save percentage for the playoffs. He has the best save percentage of all time and better GAA than the others who had supporting casts. He was the most dominant player of the 90s.
Hasek hands down for me. The fact he was as good as he was while playing for many subpar teams was amazing. And to be honest, my 2nd pick would be Parent. If injuries didn't end his career early, I think more people would talk about him more
Personally, I go 1) Hasek, 2) Roy, 3) Brodeur. If I were building a team I would ecstatic to have any of them, but that is the order I would pick them. I have always loved goalies and goalie battles that ended 0-0 or 1-0 were always my favorite games to watch. The Dominator is still my favorite player of all time, and I still do not know how he made some of those saves.
Luongo and Henrik The Great, deserves honorable mentions... Neither won a cup- but got close!- so i know that means they don't qualify- which is crazy considering it's a team sport... But still, they are among the greats and deserve their place in the conversation for All-Time in the "Hockey Guy" watched era...
I had the pleasure of working with Roy and Brodeur. Two totally different personalities. Both were great in their own way. But if I need one goalie to win one game I'm not picking any of the guys on your list.
Seasons = Brodeur
Playoffs = Roy
Vezina/insane saves = Hask
4th for me and so undervalued Kipper what Kipper did in 10 years is crazy. The numbers he would have if he had games played as these 3, Kipper would be in the conversation.
Brodeur benefitted greatly from the neutral zone trap the Devils played,most games he never faced more than 20 shots.
Roy was a big money tender,he could be counted on to deliver when it mattered most.
Hasek was so athletic,he made saves laying facedown on the ice by either sticking his hand/arm or leg up just at the right moment.
If I had to pick who was the best goaltender,I would go with Patrick Roy.His last year in the league his gaa was 2.35.He was 38 years old and only retired because doctors determined he was suffering from a deteriorating hip ailment and believed he would do further damage if he continued his career.
If you’re talking about a Game 7 scenario, prime Quick should be in the discussion. In 2012 specifically, dude was just a wall.
As an 80s Oilers fan growing up I remember cheering for this rookie kid playing for the Canadiens to take out my hometown Flames as revenge for knocking out the Oil in 1986. The kid was phenomenal. No doubt about it, he was a money goalie. Brodeur is my number 2. His highlight reel speaks for itself and IMO he gets overlooked a lot because of the team and the era he played in but Salt Lake City during the Winter Olympics he really showed us how good he was.
As a Canadian Richter and Miller were 2 goalies who scared me during international tournaments for very good reason. They were a force to be reckoned with.
Still looks so strange seeing the Blues logo next to Martin Brodeur's name.
This hits a little different now
I don’t think any of those 3 choices are wrong but playoff numbers for Patrick Roy are just incredible and his butterfly technique revolutionized the goalie position. I have Roy,Brodeur and Hasek for my top 3. Great video
Devils always had really good teams and that works against Brodeurs legacy. I thought hasek was the most unbeatable in his prime.
Oh no a team built a good team by your logic, Vasy isnt a top goalie cuz of his team
@judistzoinkiski3395 but naysayers say that about every great player. "Oh, Gretzky only scored all those points because it was the 80s and no one played defense and the goalies sucked."
Shannon you're right; a good argument can be made for each.
For me, it's Hasek with an asterisk. If you are evaluating their full NHL careers start to finish, it's probably Roy. But, for a period of several years in the mid/late 90's, Hasek was dominant in a way that neither of the other two ever were. And I'm talking about his years in Buffalo when he backstopped some very average teams.
Roy carried two good Montreal teams to Stanley Cup championships which was a remarkable accomplishment. Brodeur was great but it has to be said that he played on teams that were absolutely built around disciplined, suffocating team defense.
if it's down to one game, I have to go with Dominik Hasek circa 1998. He was on a different planet, in the way Orr was in his prime.
Very generous calling the 90's Sabres an average team. If it wasn't for Hasek. They would have had the league playoff drought record then