Lebron has only won one championship with only one all star. Every other championship he had 2 all stars on his team. MJ played with one all star his entire career.
I agree Mike is the Goat but thats not true. MJ played with 2 all stars as well. Scottie Pippen was an all star and so was Rodman. I don't know where the narrative of u can do it alone came from. The only people that were close to doing it alone was Iverson when he dragged that Sixers team to the finals and lost to the Lakers and LeBron in 2007 when he took Cleveland to the finals. But neither won it all obviously. Noone has won it all alone.
Agreed🫡 The 1 & 2 GOATS Are MJ & Kobe!! The Future GOAT Debate Is Most Likely Anthony Edwards Vs MJ & KB If He Continues To Build His Game. I Think They Both Would Respect His Style Of Play. Lebron is somewhere in the mix with Kareem/Magic/Bird/Duncan/Olajuwon/Wilt/Steph etc…. he is privileged to be in that group.
@@HHHPedigrees Respectfully, their sneaker selections and viewership ratings say otherwise. Seems like that generation lost interest in sports altogether due to the preoccupation with Instagram, Fortnite, Roblox and PlayStation.
Lol. Reading those quotes in the article from today's nbaers was like reading the thick skulled Lebron fanboy in the UA-cam comments section. Painful. It amazing Jordan has as much support among today's players that he does, given that he hasn't played in 20 years and there a consistent effort to try and re-evaluate diminish his career.
In 11 seasons jordan won 6 rings, 6 fmvp, 5 mvp, 10 scoring titles, dpoy, 9 all 1st def, 3 stl titles, 11 all nba, Roy, 3 all star mvp. In 21 season lebron is still missing 2 rings, 2 fmvp, mvp, dpoy, 4 all 1st def, 9 scoring titles, 3 stl titles. That’s literally an entire HOF resume in between them. Why is this even a conversation
Thank you!!! ...I was born and raised in Chicago and sometimes I second guess myself and think maybe im just biased. I always leave comments on YT saying that its not even close and that I dont even consider LeBron the 2nd goat. I dont even think he was the best player on the Miami Heat for crying out loud! LoL
Like Rob used to say, STOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPP IIIITTTTTT. Look at the numbers, and by that I mean the numbers on the jersey. Also, Space Jam 2? Are you kidding me? The ghost of MJ is a helluva drug...
To me it’s like this. What’s more impressive a kid that goes and make straight A’s & graduates high school early or the kid that’s makes straight A’s in school and finally graduates at the age of 22 and gets patted on the back for being able to claim they had a better in school attendance record than the kid who graduated early?
I think as the years go by and the league gets younger, the player poll might shift. But I don't think Lebron will ever be universally recognized as the GOAT over Jordan. Lebron fans are a loud bunch, but most people still think Jordan is the GOAT and I think it'll stay that way... and rightfully so.
I luv d word u used (UNIVERSALLY)MJ WILL ALWAYS BE THE GOAT, FACT, LBJ IN AMERICA, MOSTLY ONLY, IS VIEWED AS A GOAT, BUT ALL AND ALL MJ FOREVER AND EVER WEN IT COMES TO BASKETBALL,
Klutch Sports media really tricked a whole generation into thinking Lebron’s the GOAT 😂 Once the nephews grow up and develop a matured mind, they will realize this wasn’t really even a debate in the 1st place. Jordan’s a better basketball player and had more meaningful accolades in much fewer seasons. No debate.
@@ceyunmatthews7713 Whether you like it or not, Jordan is a global icon. He's more famous worldwide than Lebron is. If you're stuck in your own bubble, I wouldn't expect you to know or understand that, but there's an entire world out there outside of your bubble or wherever you reside. Talk to anybody from Europe or around the world and you'll know what I mean. If you want to keep basing your opinion on what 15 year olds on TikTok are saying, that's your choice.
@PolandSOulx tru he is definitely the GOAT in your eyes , cuz he (GOES ON ANOTHER TEAM) IN YOUR EYES TO WIN CHIPS THE EASY WAY OUT WIT HIS STIFF AWKWARD CLUMSY UGLY A$$ GAME LOL 😆
Scored the most points in history of the league. top 5 assist and 4 rings 4 MVPs 4 finals MVPs. Can’t believe you missed all that you must live under a rock.
The difference is Gen Xers got to watch both MJ and Bron, most current players weren’t old enough to remember MJ, so their opinion is based on incomplete information.
I am a Lebron fan boy however this has been a fake debate by the media for years most players dont have Lebron the Goat most players take Kobe over Lebron if we are being honest those same players take MJ over Kobe us casuals can have our opinions but the players matter more to me
The greatest irony about LeBron, to me, is that we constantly hear about how "he's a better team player who elevates him teammates," and yet, damn near every time LeBron had to face a super team of players who actually do elevate each other, like the Celtics, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, Nuggets, he got crushed. He's always been about himself and out for himself, and he's always stacked his teams with players who will boost his own stats, not the other way around.
Also what kind of "team player" has a scapegoat for every big loss in their career? It's always someone else's fault or that his teammates were trash. Nothing but contradictions from the LeBron camp.
I'm a Kobe fan but comments like this proves why Lebron James is the goat🤷 no player in history expected to be great in the 21st season against the most skilled big man of all time who's in his prime and also they are defending champs, yall make is so easy 🤦
@lilztheking1751 bro just go through the comments it's hate over intelligence every time. No credit to lebron. Always trying to take away from him. Kevin Durant down 2-0 in playoffs right now. Curry didn't make it out play in. No other players ti get Blamed or hated on so sollily
People don’t realise fans praises MJ not only because of his accomplishments but is his mentality and competitiveness. He was great at the beginning but never regarded as the best…He had to work hard on his weakness, kept on improving to became one of the best and made the Bulls dynasty in his era
Lebron isn’t number 2! Stop comparing to Jordan for goat. We all had lebron behind Kobe. When did he pass Kobe? He didn’t. Here’s the list: 1 Jordan 2 Kareem 3 Kobe 4 Duncan ( greatest pf, beat him twice). Lebron can fit anywhere after these 4 guys. Heck put him 4th. But you can’t put him over those 3. It’s bizarre that longevity somehow trumps the records and achievements and rings of the others.
Wouldn’t fit their LeBron narrative thats why. They prolly polled all the players who been in the league for 3 years or less. The veterans in the league would probably say MJ or Kobe.
I love your show but I can’t get down with two Jordan fans discussing Mj vs bron. Literally makes no sense rob always talks about “where is the push back” you all both agree with eachother about who is the goat. I’ve never heard any of you all say Kareem played 21 years and only won 6 times how is that an incredible ratio? But no one brings him down
That's a goofy take. No one brings Kareem down because fans didn't disrespect greatness prior to LeBron wanting to be the GOAT. MJ fans never downed Kareem, and Kobe fans never downed MJ. Bron fans are the only ones who down MJ and Kobe, but will say Russell won more than MJ, and Kareem has more MVPs and Points. However, wouldn't that put Russell and Kareem over Bron????? Make it make sense.
@@Avarice-Zero It's a great point-the LeBron ppl are obsessed w tearing down MJ. It's rarely an affirming argument for LeBron, just that MJ wasn't actually good...
jordan THE GOAT AND HE DIDNT USE PEDS LIKE JAMES. ALL WILL COME OUT ONE DAY PROB AFTER HE RETIRES, THAT JAMES WAS ON PEDS AND JUST LIKE BONDS AND ARMSTRONG, HE WILL BE A DISGRACED. HE IS A CHEATER AND A HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING
@@dparks2856 some of his most dominant seasons was 88 , 89 and 90 when he didn’t win a chip . Single handed owning the league . So what r you tryna say ? I hope your not trying to argue for Lebronze case lol
The cope from Rob is ridiculous. Atleast Chris can see the way things are going. Rob is an old man stuck in his ways. It’s all good tho he’s just one man
Nah rob is telling you what we all saw but you delusional LaDick licks don’t wanna acknowledge…. HE ONLY WON WHEN THE DECK WAS STACKED IN HIS FAVOR! That’s not a GOAT, that’s a corner cutter
I’m a millennial and almost 95% of ppl in there late 30s early 40s considers Jordan the greatest of all time. Lebron won’t ever pass Jordan, somebody else will come and take that mantle but Jordan and the generations that witnessed will need to be gone for anyone to take that title
Why is this a conversation? Still? When did it become a debate, and for what reason? LeBum needed super teams and people to bail him out to win all 4 of his Championships. He's still 4-6 in the finals, and has choked on more than a few occasions when the lights are the brightest. When did MJ join a super team? When did MJ form a super team? When did MJ choke in the finals? When did MJ lose in the finals? People need to discuss whether LeFlop aka LeFraud aka LeBalco is even #2 on the all-time list.
@@gabrielalele8603 I hear you, and yes, that was one of their points. Rob bringing up people arguing in the barbershop while wearing Jordans was odd. I can like Chick-fil-A more than Popeyes but still indulge in Popeyes lol
NO!!!! Can we stop talking about this foolishness? There is no debate, it was never a debate. Jordan is far and beyond the superior player. Let's talk about the younger NBA stars and the other teams. Lebron is over.
@williamvelazquez659 not even close. Last couple years, Giannis has been better. Steph is still better. Jokic. The more recent past - Tim Duncan, KOBE....I keep telling folks Lebron hasn't even passed Kobe yet. All Lebron has is cumulative stats as a result from probably the longest tenure in the league. The greats who are greater than him, did it all better than him and in far less time. Honestly, Lebron may not be top 10, but the cumulative stats do have to count for something....so I tell people that in the non narrative reality, Lebrons rank can START at #5. He's nowhere close to Jordan in any way.
@TheRealMusic4Life dead it bruh. Lebron passed Kobe years ago. There is no argument for Kobe unless you're just a delusional fan of his.... Steph at no point in his career was ever considered better than Lebron. Giannis, when healthy is arguably the best player in the league, so currently ill give you that one. Jokic, is definitely a Top 3 player today. I am a HUGE MJ fan, if not one of the biggest fans on this side of the galaxy, but you don't have to discredit Lebron in order to uplift MJ, that's corny. MJ doesn't need that. He is the GOAT. Lebron is #2. End of story.
@@tbjb009 😂😂😂😂 only a young fool would say something like that. As I said, Lebron has CUMULATIVE stats. That doesn't always equate to greatness. He has NOT passed Kobe in greatness, Steph beat him multiple times for championships, and Jokic and Giannis have definitely been better than him the past few years - that's what we were talking about right? When you factor in how many superstars he's played with and the (declining) state of the league in the past 20 years, Lebron is OVERHYPED. He's a good player, very good. But he's a front runner. The stat padding is MANIPULATION that ya'll keep falling for. And he relies on his size for his "bag". He isn't the basketball talent of Jordan or Kobe. I'm talking about SKILLS!! And it's not people like me "discrediting" Lebron to lift up Jordan. Jordan is so far beyond him that it's not even funny. Lebron isn't on Jordan's level, it's not a thing. It's just make believe. Lebron is not # 2, maybe you'll figure it out one day 🤷♂
This is for Rob Parker. I’m tired of that excuse of people who think LeBron is the goat be wearing Jordan shoes what does that have to do with anything on the court? I think that’s lazy for somebody who is supposed to be a Hall of Fame journalist just face-to-face. it’s almost over for that Jordan debate, Brian is coming for that throne?👑
Individuals possessing a grasp of common sense and an understanding of the significance of context would surely not rank LeBron James among the top two basketball players of all time. There is no rational basis to assert that LeBron is superior to Kobe Bryant. Accolades alone do not equate to greater skill, and Kobe's achievements as a winner and influencer speak for themselves.
To be honest i find it hilarious how lebron fans who say hes the goat. Gives their case and are accepting if people disagree and find mj to be the goat but tell an mj fan you think lebron is the goat and theyll act like you personally wronged them 😂
So LeBron fans are “more reasonable” in the GOAT debate than Jordan fans? Where did “we done with the ‘90s” come from? “Jordan couldn’t go left”? “He played against plumbers”? Look at the most ardent LeBron fans/supporters in the media. So guys like Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe have never gotten out of hand with their takes? There’s tribalism on BOTH sides, and to pretend otherwise shows peak bias
To be fair to everyone commenting I hate the goat debate. We all know the reasons why each group thinks the other is the goat. It's pointless to keep talking in circles when no one will change there mind
@brandoncrockett9266 yes some media and fans can go to far just as some mj fans do my point is about the average fan not the extremes of both sides. The average fan of mj though acts like like it's a personal vendetta to not think mj is the goat.
EXACTLY. But she’s NOT the GOAT. Only the GOAT college shooter, to be very specific. At least TEN women were easily greater and better. Thus far in the pros, it’s much the same. However with so many women vocalizing the truth, CC won’t be able to hide behind her rabid racist fan base. She didn’t even speak out against racism ONCE. HVL did. HVL is the GOAT if she wins a ring at TCU. Unrealistic take. But not as outlandish as all of the other hyperbole, to make the point
Current players, so ones that played against LeBron and never Jordan. That's always going to be skewed because they are going to -lie- say they went up against the GOAT and they can't say that if it's Jordan. Wake me when LeBron wins a poll among hall of fame NBA players.
You guys are both right. Chris has a point. When the younger generation takes over the narrative, they'll say that Lebron is the Goat. A similar thing happened in 2000 when the late Diego Maradona won FIFA Player of the Century award which was to be decided by votes on their official website, their official magazine and a grand jury. Maradona won the Internet-based poll, garnering 53.6% of the votes against 18.53% for Pelé. ,, Back then the Internet was still in its infancy and the older Pele's fans like my father weren't computer savvy and didn't get to vote. Btw, FIFA made them joint winners. ..And to Rob, your point about Lebron's fans wearing Jordans, is moot. I saw people in the Middle East chanting "Death to America", while wearing Lakers jersey and NY Yankees baseball cap! So.
the disrespect to kobe is real at this point let kd play 25 years and he be considered the goat if that’s what we doing just keep playing your skills the eye test doesn’t count anymore on who is better your defense and offense don’t matter just play long enough at a high level and the people will say u the goat WTF
Kobe only has 1 top 10 stat category and that is total points which is primarily due to volume he took. Most top 10 players impact multiple stat categories. He wasn't even the best player on his team for the 1st 8 seasons
@@keithmitchell8372quitting bc of your father being murdered and losing a sense of purpose is different that quitting on your team multiple times. Btw I really hope ur real and not a bot since I dont believe such human can make a dumb take like this
Very simple question: Who would you take in your team, MJ or LBJ, especially to finish games? For me no doubt, MJ, I know he would finish it...I saw it so many times...
What do you expect when there are so many Lebron fanboys in the media and there have been concerted efforts on the internet like "we done with the 90s" to discredit MJ in an attempt to uplift Lebron. The spreading of lies like he had no left hand etc.
Exactly! Lebron is closing the gap because anywhere you go on social media, everyday you'll see cherrypicked Lebron highlights. Once he retires and we're not force-fed with his goat propganda anymore the numbers will swing back.
21+ years and majority of those years in stacked teams and still trailing a man who essentially played 13 years?? This is one of the most forced debates
@@Ranger21619 Different eras. Nobody really respected Miami for that. They got backlash & was public enemy #1 for awhile. Plus, in Jordan's era, the salary cap wouldn't allow 3 max contract players to be on the same roster. They barely got it done on the Heat. All of them had to take less & lbj had to come in a sign & trade deal with the Cavs. Whichever the case, Jordan was wired different. He wasn't gonna do that. 3 players going into year 7 of their careers. Top 3 out 5 picks from the same draft class. All olympians/all stars. One FMVP. One multiple league MVP. That's ridiculous. Lol
Rob thats a lie. Countless black players discount Ruth because he didnt play against all the best competition cause players of color werent allowed. So you're wrong per usual.
It's sad because the kids that want to feel apart of something great by saying LeBron is the GOAT are saying winning isn't _that_ important, accolades (MVPs, FMVPS, DPoY, Scoring titles, etc) aren't _that_ important, stats outside of totals aren't _that_ important. Just as long I feel warm and fuzzy about MY guy then that's all that matters. The sport is becoming a joke
Lebron was never in the conversation. Lol 10 finals appearances 6 losses 3 wins 1 bubble win (count?) 1 time scoring champ in a season 1 time defensive champ in season Only 2 peated once. Mj 6 finals appearances 0 losses in finals 3 peated retired (played baseball 2 yrs) Came back 3 peated again Only happend under mj. 10 times scoring champ 10 times defensive champ Shooting the 3 wasnt his thing btw. Clutch at getting the game winning shot. Dont need help from refs. Never claimed he was the goat. Humble but hungry. Thats why him and kobe got along. Lebron is and will be a bum. Although if lebron becomes a woman.. he would be the greatest female player ever in the wnba.
You can’t use sneakers in the argument, man. They’re shoes. They don’t determine who the better player was. Jordan was the better player because of his play in the league.
@@CJStew06 Yeah a lot of idiots think it’s the 6-0 record, which is not true. Does the 6-0 argument make what Jordan did amazing? Sure. But Jordan would rather be 8-2 I’d imagine. The Bulls were a shitty franchise for 20 years then Jordan shows up and they became the hottest ticket in town - like a rock concert. Poor Cleveland only got 1 ring from him.
I've yet to hear someone make this point....(besides myself).......LeBron is 6'9", 270lbs, with 4 rings. MJ was (guessing) 6'6", 200lbs with 6 rings. Kobe was 6'6", 200lbs (guessing) with 5 rings.......Imagine making MJ and Kobe both 6'9", 270lbs...... how many rings do you think they would have had having the size advantages that LeBron has, with better skills?😅
No. Look at all the accolades 10 scoring titles seventh Street one time he’s scoring and he was defensively at the year six rings 6MVP5 season MVP and 14 season.
I can tell looking at these comments it’s just a bunch of old heads that listen to this show 😂 most of yal are so blinded by nostalgia you can’t look at a players skill set, instead if a player doesn’t go 6/6 in the finals you will automatically say they don’t measure up… like arguing with a kid, but your all grown men 40+, irony
That Jordan never lost narrative always gets me 😂. He went 6 for 15, the narrative also has people forgetting the loss to the Magic when he came back and that he played on the Wizards. The shoe argument is also funny. I grew up watching Jordan and I think he was the greatest of his era. I don’t believe in GOAT but the narratives are always funny.
I think when Bron retires, people will truly analyze his career and when you analze it you will see that he falls short. I could see many saying Bron is not top 2. People have to remember Kareem didn't become close to the GOAT conversation until last 20 years. Many had Bill Russell and Wilt over Kareem.
The witting is on the wall. Even Jordan said in 50 years people will probably saw Bron is the greatest. Chris is right. Each generation will have their goat. Before Jordan it was Kareem. Jordan held it for a LONG ass time, but in the next two years it'll be Bron.
For weak minded people of this generation he can be the goat because he represents everything wrong with America and how losing for 20 years makes you best ever
Kareem was never really considered the greatest. If it was, it lasted 3 years. Most people had Magic, Bird, while the centers(Russell Wilt & Kareem) were lumped together. Jordan universally was seen as the best ever by 93.
No it won't when he retires and it's amm said and done winning will always be over everything I give kids credit just like I know how important the old players are to the game still
There has never, in any sport, bee a GOAT with a LOSING RECORD in championship games. LeBron's GOAT case is built on lies and deception. Anyone who actually watches LeBron objectively knows he's not the GOAT. Dude is a turnover machine, and the refs literally cater to this guy because he almost never gets called for offensive fouls or traveling, which he gets away with every game!
Listen man. I'm a huge Lebron fan. But when I look at peak performance and accomplishments, Mike to me is the goat. Lebron definitely put himself in position to be in the conversation. But what Jordan did in 13 seasons playing with the bulls was crazy. He was at one point the best defender and scorer in the league. I dont think people realize how difficult that is to do.
The problem for Lebron is that MJ tape exists. You can't lie and lay someone 20 years before MJ was better, and it's hard to refute it. We have enough tape on both players, that there will always be someone pushing back on the Lebron lies. This poll is just players. Lets not forget all the other people who will be analyzing both
@@TakablePond actually he wouldn't. He's not even unstoppable now in a league where no one tries to play defense and true big men were ignored for about a decade or more. What about him says unstoppable? There have been quicker guys than him. There have been guys with better handles. There have definitely been guys with more moves and overall bag of tricks. There have been heavier guys. What about him would make him any better than guys before him?
The difference between Jordan and GOAT James is clear Let's look at the Finals . In the Finals Jordan never faced a Historic Team Historic Sharpshooting Team Historically Talented Team Historically Coached Team 1 - 5 Positions All Star Superteam Top Offense and Defense Team 65 - 73 Win Team Defending NBA Champ Team GOAT James has faced them ALL with his own System he created . He didn't have some Jordan Bulls Triangle Offense for 21 Seasons that Kobe Bryant Won 5 out of 7 Rings with . Lebron has won 4 Finals MVPs as Primary Player for 3 Cities within 2 Seasons Per City for THREE Different Non Phil Jackson System Coaching Staffs . Unheard Of / Unparalleled Lebron went to TEN Finals In 14 Years for FIVE Different Non Phil Jackson System Coaching Staffs THREE of his Head Coaches were Rookies . Lebron Carried THREE Cities to the Conference Finals For SIX Different Non Phil Jackson System Coaching Staffs in 16 Years . FOUR of his Head Coaches were Rookies . Lebron Carried a Team full of Scarecrows / Pumpkin Players and Coaches to the 2007 Finals Jordan never did that Once with or without Phil Jackson. Lebron will be the only Sports Player in the World with Statues and his Numbers retired for 3 Cities .
Any star from the 90s is mythical tupac mj prince Michael Jackson.. there was no social media its easier to portray yourself someone or something bigger and better than it is but back in the day if you were a star it didn't come easy stay power was there
Bringing up shoes for your debate 😂😂 When will this debate ever be about basketball? Who is the better passer, scorer, rebounder, teammate? Why is it everything but basketball 😭
They've said several times and you can look it up, Jordan didn't have any weaknesses in his game compared to Lebron. He's a better shooter, FT shooter, defender, he understood eventually that basketball is a team's sport. Lebron always made his teams revolve around him. Also, Jordan had the intangibles that everyone says Lebron doesn't have.
Jordan had to be told by Phil Jackson do u want to win titles or scoring title he didn't want to win bro he said i had to learn how to make players better LeBron was doing that out of high school
Polling 20 year olds? What did you expect? If you poll 5 year olds on who their favorite cartoon character, you'd think they pick mickey mouse?
They are polling all nba players silly. You’re comment is bad and wrong
@@floydrogers4921 Still, lot of 20 year olds in the league.
@@floydrogers4921 NBA players who are 20 years old.
so asking 50 year olds who grew up watching Jordan is better? obviously they gonna say MJ lol
Oldest team in the league has an average age of 28. Youngest is 23.
this debate has ruined sports lol
Definitely
This debate is made up
You can thank the narcissistic egomaniac Lebron & his cronies at Klutch Sports…
Klutch has ruined NBA media. Other sports it’s so much better.
Yes it has so much propaganda
If your not winning, longevity doesn't matter.
lol 2 decades 4 championships all on stacked teams where he decided the roster does not make u elite stop the cap
Has any other all time great lost as the favorite more than Lebron?
Preach. And still has a losing record
@@michaelposner7435Doesn't matter. He lost
Lebron has only won one championship with only one all star. Every other championship he had 2 all stars on his team. MJ played with one all star his entire career.
I agree Mike is the Goat but thats not true. MJ played with 2 all stars as well. Scottie Pippen was an all star and so was Rodman. I don't know where the narrative of u can do it alone came from.
The only people that were close to doing it alone was Iverson when he dragged that Sixers team to the finals and lost to the Lakers and LeBron in 2007 when he took Cleveland to the finals. But neither won it all obviously.
Noone has won it all alone.
Jordan was in a different category all together. LBJ is top 7 for me, maybe top 5 but too many loses with Super-teams.
@@howsittastes JJ barea, remember?
@@howsittastesyes they can lol. Jokic is the most dominant today
I’m a millennial. Jordan s the goat
They said Gen Z will pick Lebron not millennials.
Agreed🫡 The 1 & 2 GOATS Are MJ & Kobe!! The Future GOAT Debate Is Most Likely Anthony Edwards Vs MJ & KB If He Continues To Build His Game. I Think They Both Would Respect His Style Of Play. Lebron is somewhere in the mix with Kareem/Magic/Bird/Duncan/Olajuwon/Wilt/Steph etc…. he is privileged to be in that group.
Rest in peace Bean! I have Bron at #2 all time. Just off MVPs he is ahead of Bean.
@@HHHPedigrees Respectfully, their sneaker selections and viewership ratings say otherwise. Seems like that generation lost interest in sports altogether due to the preoccupation with Instagram, Fortnite, Roblox and PlayStation.
No one has ever stacked the deck his favor and still lost more than LeGM
Those same stack teams became lottery teams when he left🤔
@@ThePulse2xplayers left, coaches left. Add context.
@@ThePulse2x
When you construct a team around 1 player and then that players leaves..
(even you can't be that dumb)
KD is starting to creep up on that.
Not always the case @@judahmourneth3211
This generation can't even determine what gender they are. That alone eliminated all creditability
Lol. Reading those quotes in the article from today's nbaers was like reading the thick skulled Lebron fanboy in the UA-cam comments section. Painful. It amazing Jordan has as much support among today's players that he does, given that he hasn't played in 20 years and there a consistent effort to try and re-evaluate diminish his career.
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Trans people exist, so your opinions on basketball are nullified.
Please make it make sense
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In 11 seasons jordan won 6 rings, 6 fmvp, 5 mvp, 10 scoring titles, dpoy, 9 all 1st def, 3 stl titles, 11 all nba, Roy, 3 all star mvp.
In 21 season lebron is still missing 2 rings, 2 fmvp, mvp, dpoy, 4 all 1st def, 9 scoring titles, 3 stl titles. That’s literally an entire HOF resume in between them. Why is this even a conversation
The difference between Jordan and Lebron is almost Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson's entire careers combined.
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Thank you!!! ...I was born and raised in Chicago and sometimes I second guess myself and think maybe im just biased. I always leave comments on YT saying that its not even close and that I dont even consider LeBron the 2nd goat. I dont even think he was the best player on the Miami Heat for crying out loud! LoL
This whole idea that Lebron is the goat is media generated
But but longevity lol
"LBJ stans"
So losing longer than one guy won makes you better? Lol..
Just replay "The Last Dance" once a year. Lol
Like Rob used to say, STOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPP IIIITTTTTT. Look at the numbers, and by that I mean the numbers on the jersey. Also, Space Jam 2? Are you kidding me? The ghost of MJ is a helluva drug...
To me it’s like this. What’s more impressive a kid that goes and make straight A’s & graduates high school early or the kid that’s makes straight A’s in school and finally graduates at the age of 22 and gets patted on the back for being able to claim they had a better in school attendance record than the kid who graduated early?
You hit the bullseye Bro!!! 👍👍👍
Millennials don’t think Bron is the goat. That’s a Gen Z thing.
Some of us do Sir.
@@dontaelg eh maybe some, but mainly the ones who didn’t watch basketball when they were kids.
I'll take bird over LeBron
Easy
Have fun with that
I'll take bird over Jordan because he never beat him
I'll take a ham sandwich over LeBron
@@Obi2020-c8x Give Larry Bird LeBron's teammates and he might win 8 championships that he promised Miami lmaooo
Lebrons own teammates say MJ is the GOAT. I feel like the ship has sailed long ago
Am from both era , didn't Pippen Jordan greatness team mate said LeBron is the greatest
6 titles in 15 full NBA seasons. 4 titles in (so far) 20 seasons. Stop. Please stop!!
13 seasons
I think as the years go by and the league gets younger, the player poll might shift. But I don't think Lebron will ever be universally recognized as the GOAT over Jordan. Lebron fans are a loud bunch, but most people still think Jordan is the GOAT and I think it'll stay that way... and rightfully so.
I luv d word u used (UNIVERSALLY)MJ WILL ALWAYS BE THE GOAT, FACT, LBJ IN AMERICA, MOSTLY ONLY, IS VIEWED AS A GOAT, BUT ALL AND ALL MJ FOREVER AND EVER WEN IT COMES TO BASKETBALL,
No might to it…
We Done With The 90s!
And what does UNIVERSALLY known have to do with it…lol
Who’s Polling The Universe 🤦🏽♂️
Klutch Sports media really tricked a whole generation into thinking Lebron’s the GOAT 😂 Once the nephews grow up and develop a matured mind, they will realize this wasn’t really even a debate in the 1st place. Jordan’s a better basketball player and had more meaningful accolades in much fewer seasons. No debate.
@@ceyunmatthews7713 Whether you like it or not, Jordan is a global icon. He's more famous worldwide than Lebron is. If you're stuck in your own bubble, I wouldn't expect you to know or understand that, but there's an entire world out there outside of your bubble or wherever you reside. Talk to anybody from Europe or around the world and you'll know what I mean. If you want to keep basing your opinion on what 15 year olds on TikTok are saying, that's your choice.
@PolandSOulx tru he is definitely the GOAT in your eyes , cuz he (GOES ON ANOTHER TEAM) IN YOUR EYES TO WIN CHIPS THE EASY WAY OUT WIT HIS STIFF AWKWARD CLUMSY UGLY A$$ GAME LOL 😆
I can’t imagine MJ losing to a team 10 straight games.
He lost to Boston 13 straight times
@@adbridalandevents he didn’t have a Anthony Davis
He never beat Larry Bird
The pistons whooped that ass for a while.
@@JosephLopez-or1ggmoving a goal post again😂
I pray for the youth…not even that old (34) and noticing these youngins may be the dumbest ever…we failed em
What did lebron do for two decades? Lose ? 😅😂
What?
Exactly. He lost more than he won
Scored the most points in history of the league. top 5 assist and 4 rings 4 MVPs 4 finals MVPs. Can’t believe you missed all that you must live under a rock.
@@Holafromtheville and still lost more than he won with super star after super start that he had to join up to even be considered in the top 10
@@Holafromtheville But he lost 6 times in the finals because he had epic choking performances so he can't be the goat
The difference is Gen Xers got to watch both MJ and Bron, most current players weren’t old enough to remember MJ, so their opinion is based on incomplete information.
I am a Lebron fan boy however this has been a fake debate by the media for years
most players dont have Lebron the Goat
most players take Kobe over Lebron if we are being honest
those same players take MJ over Kobe
us casuals can have our opinions but the players matter more to me
There is a whole poll BY PLAYERS and your dumbass is still blaming the media? Lmaoooo
The greatest irony about LeBron, to me, is that we constantly hear about how "he's a better team player who elevates him teammates," and yet, damn near every time LeBron had to face a super team of players who actually do elevate each other, like the Celtics, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, Nuggets, he got crushed. He's always been about himself and out for himself, and he's always stacked his teams with players who will boost his own stats, not the other way around.
Also what kind of "team player" has a scapegoat for every big loss in their career? It's always someone else's fault or that his teammates were trash. Nothing but contradictions from the LeBron camp.
So the goat is currently getting swept in the first round after choking for the 1000th time ? OK 😂
I'm a Kobe fan but comments like this proves why Lebron James is the goat🤷 no player in history expected to be great in the 21st season against the most skilled big man of all time who's in his prime and also they are defending champs, yall make is so easy 🤦
@lilztheking1751 bro just go through the comments it's hate over intelligence every time. No credit to lebron. Always trying to take away from him. Kevin Durant down 2-0 in playoffs right now. Curry didn't make it out play in. No other players ti get Blamed or hated on so sollily
MJ got swept 3 teams courtesy of Boston Celtics in the first round
So 39 years old giving the champs work ..let's be real here lol..
Exactly. Choked every critical plays. Even those 4 rings he won it was Kyrie, Ray Allen and whoever is, but not the fake king.
People don’t realise fans praises MJ not only because of his accomplishments but is his mentality and competitiveness. He was great at the beginning but never regarded as the best…He had to work hard on his weakness, kept on improving to became one of the best and made the Bulls dynasty in his era
Talking to younger people about anything with more than a tik tok or YT short length is a complete waste of time. Technology has ruined them
True
LeBalco James, the worst superstar meltdown in nba history
Lebron isn’t number 2! Stop comparing to Jordan for goat. We all had lebron behind Kobe. When did he pass Kobe? He didn’t. Here’s the list: 1 Jordan 2 Kareem 3 Kobe 4 Duncan ( greatest pf, beat him twice). Lebron can fit anywhere after these 4 guys. Heck put him 4th. But you can’t put him over those 3. It’s bizarre that longevity somehow trumps the records and achievements and rings of the others.
Don't bother brother because people are stupid and follow that goofball LeBalco like a sheep
Behind Kobe is actually hilarious
Stick comics marvel boy u sound slow
Kobe is not top 5
@@keemooo243
Tell me how Kobe is top 3?
Why dont they poll the entire NBA not a select few
Wouldn’t fit their LeBron narrative thats why. They prolly polled all the players who been in the league for 3 years or less. The veterans in the league would probably say MJ or Kobe.
@@GanjahMacKyou are so mad lebron has caught MJ 🤣🤣
@@SarahFern23 Mad? I’m laughing that you actually think LeBron caught up to the Ghost of Chicago😂🤣 Thanks for the laugh Sarah😘
Their reason for lebron being the goat is dumb. What kind of dumb players we have now days ??
Skip Bayless is not yall generation 😂😂😂
The same players who ruined the dunk contest and all star game. Absolutely no credibility.
Rob still has not watched a Victor game and you can tell by the way he speaks! 😂 he’s just like Lebron fans who never watch Jordan play
6:00 Rob got the Air Gordons hookup at his barbershop 😂😂😂
I love your show but I can’t get down with two Jordan fans discussing Mj vs bron. Literally makes no sense rob always talks about “where is the push back” you all both agree with eachother about who is the goat. I’ve never heard any of you all say Kareem played 21 years and only won 6 times how is that an incredible ratio? But no one brings him down
Because Kareem doesn't have 6finsls Mvps
That's a goofy take. No one brings Kareem down because fans didn't disrespect greatness prior to LeBron wanting to be the GOAT. MJ fans never downed Kareem, and Kobe fans never downed MJ. Bron fans are the only ones who down MJ and Kobe, but will say Russell won more than MJ, and Kareem has more MVPs and Points. However, wouldn't that put Russell and Kareem over Bron????? Make it make sense.
@@Avarice-Zero It's a great point-the LeBron ppl are obsessed w tearing down MJ. It's rarely an affirming argument for LeBron, just that MJ wasn't actually good...
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. KAJ
4. Bill Russell
5. LJ
jordan THE GOAT AND HE DIDNT USE PEDS LIKE JAMES. ALL WILL COME OUT ONE DAY PROB AFTER HE RETIRES, THAT JAMES WAS ON PEDS AND JUST LIKE BONDS AND ARMSTRONG, HE WILL BE A DISGRACED. HE IS A CHEATER AND A HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING
Shut up
You have some problems my man
It’s allegations right now , but other than all this you said … he loses too much .
@kauffamn1016
Does MJ have as many rings as seasons played? How about half?
@@dparks2856 some of his most dominant seasons was 88 , 89 and 90 when he didn’t win a chip . Single handed owning the league . So what r you tryna say ? I hope your not trying to argue for Lebronze case lol
The article was terrible from the athletic. It quoted one idiot who said Jordan had a 40 inch vert while Lebron has a 50inch vert. Lol.
Yeah I saw that. Improper research when Jordan has the highest recorded vertical for an nba player in history: 48. Idiots
If Lebron gets swept AGAIN, the debate is over.
The cope from Rob is ridiculous. Atleast Chris can see the way things are going. Rob is an old man stuck in his ways. It’s all good tho he’s just one man
Nah rob is telling you what we all saw but you delusional LaDick licks don’t wanna acknowledge…. HE ONLY WON WHEN THE DECK WAS STACKED IN HIS FAVOR! That’s not a GOAT, that’s a corner cutter
Kareem is better than LeBron
45% mj 42% bron stop it
I’m a millennial and almost 95% of ppl in there late 30s early 40s considers Jordan the greatest of all time. Lebron won’t ever pass Jordan, somebody else will come and take that mantle but Jordan and the generations that witnessed will need to be gone for anyone to take that title
Jordan’s legacy is too much. His legacy will continue
Why is this a conversation? Still? When did it become a debate, and for what reason? LeBum needed super teams and people to bail him out to win all 4 of his Championships. He's still 4-6 in the finals, and has choked on more than a few occasions when the lights are the brightest.
When did MJ join a super team? When did MJ form a super team? When did MJ choke in the finals? When did MJ lose in the finals?
People need to discuss whether LeFlop aka LeFraud aka LeBalco is even #2 on the all-time list.
It's a ridiculous take that I can't wear Jordan's if I think LeBron is the goat. That's like a really childish point of view 😂
Not exactly the point they were making. Just illustrating how Jordan's impact on the game have lasted the test of time and may continue to do so.
@@gabrielalele8603 I hear you, and yes, that was one of their points. Rob bringing up people arguing in the barbershop while wearing Jordans was odd. I can like Chick-fil-A more than Popeyes but still indulge in Popeyes lol
Get some Pennys best ball sneakers
Nobody getting murdered over a pair of LeBrons 😂
The fact that the Jordan logo is on almost every NBA jersey today shows just how long MJ's legacy will endure AFTER Lebron is done playing
NO!!!! Can we stop talking about this foolishness? There is no debate, it was never a debate. Jordan is far and beyond the superior player. Let's talk about the younger NBA stars and the other teams. Lebron is over.
For me different eras and years Jordan was the best in the past but LeBron James is the best in the last couple of years 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
@williamvelazquez659 not even close. Last couple years, Giannis has been better. Steph is still better. Jokic. The more recent past - Tim Duncan, KOBE....I keep telling folks Lebron hasn't even passed Kobe yet. All Lebron has is cumulative stats as a result from probably the longest tenure in the league. The greats who are greater than him, did it all better than him and in far less time. Honestly, Lebron may not be top 10, but the cumulative stats do have to count for something....so I tell people that in the non narrative reality, Lebrons rank can START at #5. He's nowhere close to Jordan in any way.
@TheRealMusic4Life dead it bruh. Lebron passed Kobe years ago. There is no argument for Kobe unless you're just a delusional fan of his....
Steph at no point in his career was ever considered better than Lebron.
Giannis, when healthy is arguably the best player in the league, so currently ill give you that one.
Jokic, is definitely a Top 3 player today.
I am a HUGE MJ fan, if not one of the biggest fans on this side of the galaxy, but you don't have to discredit Lebron in order to uplift MJ, that's corny. MJ doesn't need that. He is the GOAT. Lebron is #2.
End of story.
@@tbjb009 😂😂😂😂 only a young fool would say something like that. As I said, Lebron has CUMULATIVE stats. That doesn't always equate to greatness. He has NOT passed Kobe in greatness, Steph beat him multiple times for championships, and Jokic and Giannis have definitely been better than him the past few years - that's what we were talking about right? When you factor in how many superstars he's played with and the (declining) state of the league in the past 20 years, Lebron is OVERHYPED. He's a good player, very good. But he's a front runner. The stat padding is MANIPULATION that ya'll keep falling for. And he relies on his size for his "bag". He isn't the basketball talent of Jordan or Kobe. I'm talking about SKILLS!! And it's not people like me "discrediting" Lebron to lift up Jordan. Jordan is so far beyond him that it's not even funny. Lebron isn't on Jordan's level, it's not a thing. It's just make believe. Lebron is not # 2, maybe you'll figure it out one day 🤷♂
That longevity has to mean something. If nobody has done this kind of longevity before. then it has to be special and mean something for the ranking.
This is for Rob Parker. I’m tired of that excuse of people who think LeBron is the goat be wearing Jordan shoes what does that have to do with anything on the court? I think that’s lazy for somebody who is supposed to be a Hall of Fame journalist just face-to-face. it’s almost over for that Jordan debate, Brian is coming for that throne?👑
Chris broussard, nick wright, shannon sharpe. All in love with lebron
Individuals possessing a grasp of common sense and an understanding of the significance of context would surely not rank LeBron James among the top two basketball players of all time. There is no rational basis to assert that LeBron is superior to Kobe Bryant. Accolades alone do not equate to greater skill, and Kobe's achievements as a winner and influencer speak for themselves.
To be honest i find it hilarious how lebron fans who say hes the goat. Gives their case and are accepting if people disagree and find mj to be the goat but tell an mj fan you think lebron is the goat and theyll act like you personally wronged them 😂
Damn right because saying LeBron is better than Jordan is PURE BLASPHEMY!!💯
have you seen these comments? It’s a bunch of old men crying and whining but you claim the lebron fans are the whiners lol.
So LeBron fans are “more reasonable” in the GOAT debate than Jordan fans? Where did “we done with the ‘90s” come from? “Jordan couldn’t go left”? “He played against plumbers”? Look at the most ardent LeBron fans/supporters in the media. So guys like Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe have never gotten out of hand with their takes? There’s tribalism on BOTH sides, and to pretend otherwise shows peak bias
To be fair to everyone commenting I hate the goat debate. We all know the reasons why each group thinks the other is the goat. It's pointless to keep talking in circles when no one will change there mind
@brandoncrockett9266 yes some media and fans can go to far just as some mj fans do my point is about the average fan not the extremes of both sides. The average fan of mj though acts like like it's a personal vendetta to not think mj is the goat.
What a brand new topic to discuss
Yeah this is so old and stupid.
Caitlyn Clark can be the GOAT with no titles though 👌🏿 That goal post is always moving
EXACTLY. But she’s NOT the GOAT. Only the GOAT college shooter, to be very specific. At least TEN women were easily greater and better. Thus far in the pros, it’s much the same. However with so many women vocalizing the truth, CC won’t be able to hide behind her rabid racist fan base. She didn’t even speak out against racism ONCE. HVL did. HVL is the GOAT if she wins a ring at TCU. Unrealistic take. But not as outlandish as all of the other hyperbole, to make the point
I'm 42yrs & i think Lebron is the best all around player to me 🤷🏾♂️
Current players, so ones that played against LeBron and never Jordan. That's always going to be skewed because they are going to -lie- say they went up against the GOAT and they can't say that if it's Jordan. Wake me when LeBron wins a poll among hall of fame NBA players.
You guys are both right. Chris has a point. When the younger generation takes over the narrative, they'll say that Lebron is the Goat.
A similar thing happened in 2000 when the late Diego Maradona won FIFA Player of the Century award which was to be decided by votes on their official website, their official magazine and a grand jury. Maradona won the Internet-based poll, garnering 53.6% of the votes against 18.53% for Pelé. ,, Back then the Internet was still in its infancy and the older Pele's fans like my father weren't computer savvy and didn't get to vote. Btw, FIFA made them joint winners.
..And to Rob, your point about Lebron's fans wearing Jordans, is moot. I saw people in the Middle East chanting "Death to America", while wearing Lakers jersey and NY Yankees baseball cap! So.
Some people care about this subject way too much!
Truer words have never been spoken.
I think lebron beating the scoring title has swung some people in his favour
All time leader in turnovers too...interesting that that stat is often missed when running down LeBron's stats.
Rob generally don’t make any sense to me. Chris is right!
the disrespect to kobe is real at this point let kd play 25 years and he be considered the goat if that’s what we doing just keep playing your skills the eye test doesn’t count anymore on who is better your defense and offense don’t matter just play long enough at a high level and the people will say u the goat WTF
Kobe only has 1 top 10 stat category and that is total points which is primarily due to volume he took. Most top 10 players impact multiple stat categories. He wasn't even the best player on his team for the 1st 8 seasons
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@@dkallday197Thank u these Kobe fans are delusional as hell 😅😅😅😅😅
No matter what it will NEVER be a settled debate! EVERYONE is biased! GREATEST THING ABOUT SPORTS. 😂
Jordan teach us not to quit and lebron teach us to run away and chase individual succes
Jordan quit twice sir what are you talking about 😅😅😅😅
How LeBalcos balls taste
@@keithmitchell8372quitting bc of your father being murdered and losing a sense of purpose is different that quitting on your team multiple times. Btw I really hope ur real and not a bot since I dont believe such human can make a dumb take like this
Of course it’s gonna switch, no one can be the goat forever, every generation has a different goat
Very simple question: Who would you take in your team, MJ or LBJ, especially to finish games? For me no doubt, MJ, I know he would finish it...I saw it so many times...
What do you expect when there are so many Lebron fanboys in the media and there have been concerted efforts on the internet like "we done with the 90s" to discredit MJ in an attempt to uplift Lebron. The spreading of lies like he had no left hand etc.
Once Lebron retires, his number will dwindle. Once recency bias is taken out of the equation it will swing back towards MJ.
Exactly! Lebron is closing the gap because anywhere you go on social media, everyday you'll see cherrypicked Lebron highlights. Once he retires and we're not force-fed with his goat propganda anymore the numbers will swing back.
Man ik it’s anonymous but we need to kno who said Paul pierce that’s ridiculous they should never be able to give a ball take again
😂😂😂😂
21+ years and majority of those years in stacked teams and still trailing a man who essentially played 13 years??
This is one of the most forced debates
Man I wish Mike would've form a superteam in 99 to 01
He never would have done that. MJ was actually a competitor.
@@melvinhhcp3615 yeah that's why he quit twice
@@ThePulse2x You mean 3peated twice... 💯
@@melvinhhcp3615 they respected it back in summer of 2010, why not
@@Ranger21619 Different eras. Nobody really respected Miami for that. They got backlash & was public enemy #1 for awhile. Plus, in Jordan's era, the salary cap wouldn't allow 3 max contract players to be on the same roster. They barely got it done on the Heat. All of them had to take less & lbj had to come in a sign & trade deal with the Cavs. Whichever the case, Jordan was wired different. He wasn't gonna do that. 3 players going into year 7 of their careers. Top 3 out 5 picks from the same draft class. All olympians/all stars. One FMVP. One multiple league MVP. That's ridiculous. Lol
Rob thats a lie. Countless black players discount Ruth because he didnt play against all the best competition cause players of color werent allowed. So you're wrong per usual.
It's sad because the kids that want to feel apart of something great by saying LeBron is the GOAT are saying winning isn't _that_ important, accolades (MVPs, FMVPS, DPoY, Scoring titles, etc) aren't _that_ important, stats outside of totals aren't _that_ important.
Just as long I feel warm and fuzzy about MY guy then that's all that matters. The sport is becoming a joke
Lebron was never in the conversation. Lol
10 finals appearances
6 losses
3 wins
1 bubble win (count?)
1 time scoring champ in a season
1 time defensive champ in season
Only 2 peated once.
Mj
6 finals appearances
0 losses in finals
3 peated retired (played baseball 2 yrs)
Came back 3 peated again
Only happend under mj.
10 times scoring champ
10 times defensive champ
Shooting the 3 wasnt his thing btw.
Clutch at getting the game winning shot.
Dont need help from refs.
Never claimed he was the goat.
Humble but hungry. Thats why him and kobe got along. Lebron is and will be a bum.
Although if lebron becomes a woman.. he would be the greatest female player ever in the wnba.
LeBron is great but hd formed superteams to get his rings
add the context that the era is more talented so more help was needed
@@vintagemonteadd the context of that being a valid excuse if from Wade or Bosh- not the self-proclaimed king who loses EXCESSIVELY
You can’t use sneakers in the argument, man. They’re shoes. They don’t determine who the better player was. Jordan was the better player because of his play in the league.
No he wasn't a better player Jordan Dominated a watered-down era
There’s not a single GOAT in a team sport that has a losing record in the championship round. Until that changes, nothing will change.
GOATs in every sport were also part of a dynasty. LeBron was never dynastic because he was always beatable.
@@CJStew06 Yeah a lot of idiots think it’s the 6-0 record, which is not true. Does the 6-0 argument make what Jordan did amazing? Sure. But Jordan would rather be 8-2 I’d imagine. The Bulls were a shitty franchise for 20 years then Jordan shows up and they became the hottest ticket in town - like a rock concert. Poor Cleveland only got 1 ring from him.
I've yet to hear someone make this point....(besides myself).......LeBron is 6'9", 270lbs, with 4 rings. MJ was (guessing) 6'6", 200lbs with 6 rings. Kobe was 6'6", 200lbs (guessing) with 5 rings.......Imagine making MJ and Kobe both 6'9", 270lbs...... how many rings do you think they would have had having the size advantages that LeBron has, with better skills?😅
So their only argument is shoes? Lol
Prime, Rings, Impact.. much more.
MJ has no 2011 meltdown
No. Look at all the accolades 10 scoring titles seventh Street one time he’s scoring and he was defensively at the year six rings 6MVP5 season MVP and 14 season.
LeBron Loss to Dirt Nowinski when he had Wade and Bosch, he wouldn’t even beat Utah
Omg that last part with wemby killed me hahaha
The goat wouldn't have missed that wide open three
I can tell looking at these comments it’s just a bunch of old heads that listen to this show 😂 most of yal are so blinded by nostalgia you can’t look at a players skill set, instead if a player doesn’t go 6/6 in the finals you will automatically say they don’t measure up… like arguing with a kid, but your all grown men 40+, irony
No. Just Stop.
Lol. Longevity, eye roll.
Also, Chris, pretty sure you're Gen X
Six for Six!!!
what do shoes have to do anything with the goat debate? u can think lbj is the goat and still rock a pair of jordans. whate are we talking about?
Jordan heads pulling out the ole George Washington arguement 😂😂 ya finished
ARGUMENT, not ARGUEment. AI will replace 3 groups: uneducated, ignorant, and incompetent. So YOU are finished. Not “you finished” 😳👀🚫🧠😂🤷🏽♂️
That Jordan never lost narrative always gets me 😂. He went 6 for 15, the narrative also has people forgetting the loss to the Magic when he came back and that he played on the Wizards.
The shoe argument is also funny.
I grew up watching Jordan and I think he was the greatest of his era. I don’t believe in GOAT but the narratives are always funny.
6-0 wtf man? You don’t count years you don’t make the Finals (duh).
@@HeWhoR3mains 😂
I think when Bron retires, people will truly analyze his career and when you analze it you will see that he falls short. I could see many saying Bron is not top 2. People have to remember Kareem didn't become close to the GOAT conversation until last 20 years. Many had Bill Russell and Wilt over Kareem.
Why is Rob Parker's head always down when he's not talking
On his phone like a rude child.
The most ill-advised manufactured debate on ANY level, and an insult to basketball
Rob, the kids would compare Lebron to current players to make him the GOAT, not necessary comparing to Jordan.
The witting is on the wall. Even Jordan said in 50 years people will probably saw Bron is the greatest. Chris is right. Each generation will have their goat. Before Jordan it was Kareem. Jordan held it for a LONG ass time, but in the next two years it'll be Bron.
For weak minded people of this generation he can be the goat because he represents everything wrong with America and how losing for 20 years makes you best ever
Kareem was never really considered the greatest. If it was, it lasted 3 years. Most people had Magic, Bird, while the centers(Russell Wilt & Kareem) were lumped together. Jordan universally was seen as the best ever by 93.
No it won't when he retires and it's amm said and done winning will always be over everything I give kids credit just like I know how important the old players are to the game still
There has never, in any sport, bee a GOAT with a LOSING RECORD in championship games. LeBron's GOAT case is built on lies and deception. Anyone who actually watches LeBron objectively knows he's not the GOAT. Dude is a turnover machine, and the refs literally cater to this guy because he almost never gets called for offensive fouls or traveling, which he gets away with every game!
Idk how. He can’t sway the peoples opinions now. When he retires it will be even harder. Lots of current players have Kobe over him, let alone mj.
Most of the NBA players today wear Kobe shoes do y’all even watch the games?.smh
no jordan undefeated in the finals & & never lost 10 straight 2 any team
He lost 13 straight to the Boston Celtics…. 🤣🤣 🤡
Listen man. I'm a huge Lebron fan. But when I look at peak performance and accomplishments, Mike to me is the goat. Lebron definitely put himself in position to be in the conversation. But what Jordan did in 13 seasons playing with the bulls was crazy. He was at one point the best defender and scorer in the league. I dont think people realize how difficult that is to do.
Not that hard to dominate a watered-down era bro u noticed he couldn't do anything in the 80s
The Big O did say Bron was the GOAT tho haha
He did. He's entitled to his opinion
The Big O is wrong & thats okay!
The problem for Lebron is that MJ tape exists. You can't lie and lay someone 20 years before MJ was better, and it's hard to refute it. We have enough tape on both players, that there will always be someone pushing back on the Lebron lies. This poll is just players. Lets not forget all the other people who will be analyzing both
take zone defense away from bron in the 90s he would be unstoppable
@@TakablePond actually he wouldn't. He's not even unstoppable now in a league where no one tries to play defense and true big men were ignored for about a decade or more. What about him says unstoppable? There have been quicker guys than him. There have been guys with better handles. There have definitely been guys with more moves and overall bag of tricks. There have been heavier guys. What about him would make him any better than guys before him?
Lol Wemby might trump both Lebron and jordan when it's all said and done lol.😅
The Spurs never even repeated with Duncan. I doubt that they will eclipse Jordan.
The difference between Jordan and GOAT James is clear
Let's look at the Finals . In the Finals Jordan never faced a
Historic Team
Historic Sharpshooting Team
Historically Talented Team
Historically Coached Team
1 - 5 Positions All Star Superteam
Top Offense and Defense Team
65 - 73 Win Team
Defending NBA Champ Team
GOAT James has faced them ALL with his own System he created . He didn't have some Jordan Bulls Triangle Offense for 21 Seasons that Kobe Bryant Won 5 out of 7 Rings with .
Lebron has won 4 Finals MVPs as Primary Player for 3 Cities within 2 Seasons Per City for THREE Different Non Phil Jackson System Coaching Staffs . Unheard Of / Unparalleled
Lebron went to TEN Finals In 14 Years for FIVE Different Non Phil Jackson System Coaching Staffs THREE of his Head Coaches were Rookies .
Lebron Carried THREE Cities to the Conference Finals For SIX Different Non Phil Jackson System Coaching Staffs in 16 Years . FOUR of his Head Coaches were Rookies .
Lebron Carried a Team full of Scarecrows / Pumpkin Players and Coaches to the 2007 Finals Jordan never did that Once with or without Phil Jackson.
Lebron will be the only Sports Player in the World with Statues and his Numbers retired for 3 Cities .
TF DOES SHOES HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING
Impact...
Jordans IMPACT was far greater than LeBronze
It's telling the emotion felt here 🤔.
Jordan impact is tied to Scottie he never did anything without Scottie regular season or post season
@keithmitchell8372 : Off Course.
Noone in the History of Basketball has every won a championship without a complementary star(s).
Any star from the 90s is mythical tupac mj prince Michael Jackson.. there was no social media its easier to portray yourself someone or something bigger and better than it is but back in the day if you were a star it didn't come easy stay power was there
Bringing up shoes for your debate 😂😂 When will this debate ever be about basketball? Who is the better passer, scorer, rebounder, teammate? Why is it everything but basketball 😭
They've said several times and you can look it up, Jordan didn't have any weaknesses in his game compared to Lebron. He's a better shooter, FT shooter, defender, he understood eventually that basketball is a team's sport. Lebron always made his teams revolve around him. Also, Jordan had the intangibles that everyone says Lebron doesn't have.
Jordan is full of narratives and nostalgic
Jordan had to be told by Phil Jackson do u want to win titles or scoring title he didn't want to win bro he said i had to learn how to make players better LeBron was doing that out of high school
@@keithmitchell8372 doesn't look to me like he did, he had to assemble a superteam to win ALWAYS, and that's not making others better.
@@keithmitchell8372 Maybe someone should tell the same advice to LeBron