Why Yamaha SHS-500 Sonogenic Keytar is DOOMED ☠️ from the Start?

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  • @JeremySee
    @JeremySee  5 років тому +8

    Do you like keytars or do you think they are mainly gimmicks? Do you think you will use the chord tracker app function to play long with?

    • @youreale
      @youreale 5 років тому +1

      for me it's just a toy.

    • @JeremySee
      @JeremySee  5 років тому +1

      Yes. Expensive toy.

    • @basfludi
      @basfludi 5 років тому +2

      If I needed a keyboard to hang on my neck I would go for an accordeon until someone came up with a symmetrical keyboard worn vertically on the chest with keys on both sides. That would make left and right hand coordination much easier since both hands would have the lower pitch on the thumb side.

    • @vito_keys
      @vito_keys 5 років тому

      Indeed it is a just a gimmick. Yamaha still have absolutely zero innovation for its budget products.
      PSR-E360, don't let the look fool you
      SHS-500, also don't let the look fool you too
      PSR-E463, PSR-E363? Features are decent, but sounds are very lacking aside from the new additions
      The only good budget products from Yamaha is Reface, that's it

    • @GrantJackson70USD
      @GrantJackson70USD 5 років тому +3

      Keytar has its place on stage but the app does sound like a gimmick. This should have been a home run for Yamaha but in its current form it should have an MSRP of $199 USD and an even lower street price.

  • @MrParkinthedark
    @MrParkinthedark 5 років тому +10

    Well I mean, you can just turn off the Jam-mode right? I mean if you just turn it off it’s prolly just a decent keytar?

    • @aldorthegreat5267
      @aldorthegreat5267 3 роки тому +3

      It's actually wierdly hard to turn off but ridiculously easy to turn on well just trying to play

    • @Madmohawkfilms
      @Madmohawkfilms 2 роки тому

      @@aldorthegreat5267 I saw one video where they put a piece of tape over the Jam button to try to avoid hitting it by mistake. I hope there’s a way in settings to just disable that function

  • @medardoarce9361
    @medardoarce9361 Рік тому +3

    Keytars are NOT gimmicks!!!
    Come on people!!!
    Of course this Is something only musicians understand (just keyboard players maybe...)

  • @vito_keys
    @vito_keys 5 років тому +13

    It is incredibly gimmicky and expensive, but if you want to play bass with a keyboard, this Sonogenic is still good to go

  • @spamspasm8183
    @spamspasm8183 5 років тому +3

    What's a good keytar at this price range?

  • @betopenaherrera3233
    @betopenaherrera3233 5 років тому +3

    Very nice review. Do you have a video talking about your AX-7?

  • @d00mprodigy21
    @d00mprodigy21 4 роки тому +17

    So i actually like keytars for a strange reason... Personally, limiting my sounds and abilities -to an extent- makes me get creative.
    That being said, this keytar doesn't seem particular bad, but I'd like to know well priced alternatives. (I'm very set on having a keytar over a keyboard)

  • @SunilJohn2002
    @SunilJohn2002 Місяць тому

    What about tones from garageband using bluetooth midi

  • @mkiswatoo
    @mkiswatoo 8 днів тому

    Bought it. The Square Lead sound, with rotary speaker, almost sounds like an organ.

  • @Madmohawkfilms
    @Madmohawkfilms 2 роки тому

    Can you disable or remap the jam button to something else?

  • @dwin4037
    @dwin4037 3 роки тому

    Thanks dude! Love your reviews!

  • @BibleBuyingGuide
    @BibleBuyingGuide 3 роки тому +1

    Hi Jeremy. I love your channel and reviews. Do you recommend a keytar (any brand) for someone to play and sing on stage or in Church?

  • @GreatQueenFan
    @GreatQueenFan 3 роки тому +1

    I had my eye on this keytar but now I'm thinking Alesis Vortex Wireless 2. It's basically a midi controller which I don't know how to use yet, I just play the piano, but it's the same price as sonogenic and it seems like it has some very cool tricks up its sleeve. Any advice?

  • @ПутинлюбитРамзанКадыровлюбитУк

    Is mine broken?? The volume sounds so low/quiet:0

  • @davek12
    @davek12 5 років тому +2

    Avoiding latency is the reason for a lot of your concerns. The combined latency I've measured using a Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI transmitter and iOS virtual insturments is around 20 m/s. The two android apps that I played with had closer to 250 m/s when playing the keyboard that's on screen. You'll find far fewer instrument apps for Android because of that. While the latency played through the iOS headphone jack is low, Bluetooth audio adds far more and would drive any player crazy listening to it chase up what they're playing. Great review, you're fair about what you're saying and people are voting with their wallet and not buying them. Amazon has this item, but there are NO reviews as of right now. If nobody has bought one from Amazon and reviewed it, then it's clearly not selling.

    • @JeremySee
      @JeremySee  5 років тому

      Thank you for sharing.

  • @artsyfoxy4791
    @artsyfoxy4791 3 роки тому

    Been having trouble trying to find good keytars any recommendations for beginners?

  • @paulyllow
    @paulyllow 2 роки тому +2

    I think Yamaha could have made a pro version of PSS A 50. Using a small selection of sound set from E473. Instead of arranger function, keep the drum track, motion effect, more arpeggios, more drum kit and synth sound, usb audio in and out, a midi out, standard audio output, a drum track plus 4 midi looper tracks. Basically a portable music toy musician can actually play and compose songs easily. A cheaper Roland Jupiter XM without all the synth button.

  • @Marcmarklinus
    @Marcmarklinus 4 роки тому

    Can it be used for studio purpose?

  • @bryangl1
    @bryangl1 5 років тому

    Jeremy, I only discovered your channel recently, but the more I see the more impressed I become. Your advice is always well-informed, always unbiased, always intelligent and clearly stated, and of course your skills are excellent. As for this "toy", at 50 bucks it might be worth buying as a party piece, but that's the limit. More generally while I have no personal use for them, I can see that a well-designed keytar could be useful as a live performance instrument with a band.

    • @JeremySee
      @JeremySee  5 років тому

      Thank you for your kind words Bryan. I'm happy if my video can help someone make a better informed purchase. Have a good day, buddy.

  • @ragestacker
    @ragestacker 3 роки тому

    Is the keybed the same as SHS300? I just ordered the 300 because i found it on amazon at 99 eurosThank you salute from italy

  • @Onelychild
    @Onelychild 4 роки тому

    Have you checked out the Alesis Vortex Wireless 2 Keytar?

  • @sindhums9905
    @sindhums9905 3 роки тому +1

    Do more keytar reviews

  • @manotto3939
    @manotto3939 4 роки тому

    Is it ok to use it as auxillary Keyboard in the church ?

  • @TheJohnMak
    @TheJohnMak 5 років тому +1

    Excellent review Jeremy and excellent sentiments. Let’s keep music manned, not canned.

  • @keyboard2freedom
    @keyboard2freedom 4 роки тому

    Well whats your opinion about Roland - AX Edge - is it worth buying ?
    Thanks Jeremy for a lovely analysis about Yamaha SHS 500

    • @JeremySee
      @JeremySee  4 роки тому

      I love the AX Edge. It's a proper keytar.

    • @keyboard2freedom
      @keyboard2freedom 4 роки тому

      @@JeremySee thanks ... I will be ordering soon. Looking forward to your next video

  • @chobyboys
    @chobyboys 4 роки тому +1

    I saw your video and I got shocked literally I was watching while I was delivering my credit card to the Yamaha dude in the shop, suddenly I stoped and ran away from the store. Can you tell me which is the best alternative for keytar beginners?

    • @vadapartyannapurna
      @vadapartyannapurna 3 роки тому

      Same here. I would love to play and learn a proper keytar, so even I need a good alternative which needs effort to be put in. Please do tell me as well.

  • @BrianReffinSmith152
    @BrianReffinSmith152 5 років тому +2

    It's really good not for the what the demos and critics describe (playing along, the mostly awful built in sounds etc.), but for just one thing: Wireless connection to many iPad and Mac sound apps. Use midi learn to affect their filters etc. Mix the audio output of the SHS with the sound from the iPad… That said, I bought mine for about 90 Euros second hand. But it's a lot cheaper new now than when it came out.

  • @rrod6738
    @rrod6738 5 років тому

    Jeremy, do you have a demo video for this?

  • @nhacxuamotthoienho5133
    @nhacxuamotthoienho5133 4 роки тому

    Good day from Sydney!
    I have just paid $260 australia dollard for a brand-new SHS 500 before I come across your channel. I have owned a Roland Lucina keytar and a EA 7 keyboard before and somehow I still don't like the voices on them Roland products, that makes me come back to a much more user-friendly Yamaha psr s keyboard. Currently I'm happy with my old Psr s 900 even though it is dated. Thanks for your video review of this Yamaha keytar, as long as them voices come from those Yamaha psr e series like you said, I'm happy.
    Take care m8 during this pandemic.
    Best regards and cheers from Sydney.
    Anh

    • @JeremySee
      @JeremySee  4 роки тому +1

      Thank you for sharing. Take care.

  • @joeylabranche1014
    @joeylabranche1014 2 роки тому +1

    I don't think anybody here understand what is a Keytar.First of all its not a piano and its not a keyboard its a synthesizer and you play it with only one hand on the keys because again its not a piano.Now second thing the Yamaha shs-500 as a button called jam mode just don't use it and learn to really play the keytar without faking it.The sonogenic is far from being a good keytar but you can still learn on it if you don't cheat with the jam mode.

  • @Aetila
    @Aetila 4 роки тому

    I think it's a BRILLIANT isntrument...for those who don't have time to go to a music academy and practise for decades, lol.
    I reading the manual I realised that one could make an own pad ttrack with chords, let the tracker render it and then you can endlessly improvise over your own chord without making a mistake! You still have to follow the rhytm BUT you will alway get the correct notes when you for example play arpeggios in Jam mode. I don't have this instrument but I would llike to have it...thank you, Yamaha! :-)

  • @boidon389
    @boidon389 4 роки тому

    What about the 300

  • @artvelcro
    @artvelcro 5 років тому

    Looking to buy digital keyboard-88, but am totally confused because I've been comparison shopping too much and brain fried. Want to keep price under $1200. Jeremy.....do you have any suggestions ? Any other suggestions are welcomed. Jeremy....give me your pick if you were buying.

    • @thomaspick4123
      @thomaspick4123 5 років тому

      artvelcro I have a recommendation I would like you to try. Casio CDP-S350. $500. Check it out please.

  • @marywells3912
    @marywells3912 2 роки тому +1

    There is an android version as of 2022. Think they added android in 2021.

  • @hcb3636
    @hcb3636 5 років тому +3

    This thing and that E360 thing... Looks like Yamaha already decided to just focus on fooling dumbheads as its current low-end strategy in place. Yamaha, where are you headed to?

  • @afairbien
    @afairbien Рік тому

    Thanks you a lot !!!😮
    UA-cam must give u a Nobel prize... 😅

  • @GoD_LoRD04
    @GoD_LoRD04 5 років тому +4

    And you know what I was playing doom and this popped up lol

  • @alexanderfranco5458
    @alexanderfranco5458 4 роки тому

    Im looking for a keytar and its rlly cheap but idk...

  • @fridgepuff1722
    @fridgepuff1722 Рік тому

    I like to use my shs 200 with my keyboard with midi it is the best out of all them I believe I like to play two handed and one handed its not really a gimmick and I think it's very fun to play

  • @jojosmoothe
    @jojosmoothe 3 роки тому

    Great Honest Review. It does belittle the work we musicians do to master our art. Quite a bit expensive for what you get.

  • @KeytarKris
    @KeytarKris 5 років тому +4

    I feel even worse they made another Sonogenic SHS 300😢

  • @mayovox3920
    @mayovox3920 5 років тому

    Jeremy can you consider a review on "home furniture pianos" like: Casio Celivano 650 and Yamaha CVP 701? Obviously, Casio is half the price, but it has only 10 user rhythms? I'm also worried about the sonic quality, it seems that Yamaha's are superior in this segment. Any suggestions?

    • @JeremySee
      @JeremySee  5 років тому

      In terms of resale value, Yamaha console pianos retain value better.
      If you are referring to Celviano AP-650, it has 180 rhythms with accompaniment.

  • @musicmonk5254
    @musicmonk5254 5 років тому

    Please review Yamaha SHS 300 also

  • @michaelwong5356
    @michaelwong5356 3 роки тому +1

    I have to agree with you that it is a bit pricey but Yamaha instrument are generally pricey (at least in this part of the world). However, the SHS is a simple instrument (albeit pricey) but you are talking from your point of view as a musician. Not everyone is a musician. Granted the SHS is a simple (again, I might like to stress it is pricey) but if someone likes a simple instrument without having to scroll through 700+ sounds to find what they like, then so be it. In that sense, I don't think the SHS500 is as bad as you painted it. If it is the right tool for the job, then why not? If you are alright with the price, then go for it. I'm a jazz pianist for the pass 18 years, taught music for the pass 15 years, and am not teaching music in a British school...and I believed the SHS500 has helped me a lot

  • @concretejungle7513
    @concretejungle7513 5 років тому +10

    Anyone who wants to make music has the RIGHT to make music, regardless of their ability!!!! This video is pure sour grapes. You're showing you're true colors Mr See. Not everyone can be Bach!!!!

    • @ironsoul80
      @ironsoul80 5 років тому +1

      G.G. your a TROLL, J.See is right if you want to by an over priced children's toy and randomly bang on keys to pretend your playing a song it's your world.

    • @concretejungle7513
      @concretejungle7513 5 років тому +1

      @@ironsoul80 I'm not a troll. It's too easy to throw words like that around now. Who are you? Donald Trump? I now completely agree with Jeremy's review.

    • @AerialTheShamen
      @AerialTheShamen 4 роки тому +1

      Correct. Everybody should have a right to MAKE music. But this app is only to FAKE music. It does not teach to play nor assist in sounding better but only make you pretend playing, Buy a Chinese toy keyboard for 6EUR to do that without the need of an iPhone.

  • @Carnyzzle
    @Carnyzzle 4 роки тому

    I'm trying my luck on a used Roland Ax-7 on ebay but until then I can pick up a sonogenic so I have something to play on

  • @jibinjacob.
    @jibinjacob. 5 років тому +1

    I like keytars but I don't know what Yamaha is trying to do with this.

  • @brent6565
    @brent6565 3 роки тому +1

    I found the biggest problem is there are 22 useless sounds. Only 8 sounds that are remotely acceptable. However, there is NO WAY to add the 10 sounds I wish I had. If YAMAHA would let customers delete the useless and add the usefull...that would make the SHS 500 so much better.

  • @gautrstafr
    @gautrstafr 4 роки тому

    I think this should be marketed as a cheap Keytar with reface mini keys... Maybe if it was named as Reface Keytar and concentrated more on midi controls.... Maybe one can dream

  • @yeotao
    @yeotao 5 років тому

    Very very valid points about1) the Jam app being available only on apple devices 😔. Was contemplating buying as a toy for the kids to jam along but we are on Android only. Thanks for the warning! And nice spot on the lack of organ sounds despite having a rotary effect. That is reali crazy. 😅

  • @jjacob25101
    @jjacob25101 5 років тому

    Great video and critique of this keyboard. You already know Roland makes the best keytars, like the one you have, even the smaller one, I forgot the model name, but even that is a more serious and capable full featured keyboard.

    • @JeremySee
      @JeremySee  5 років тому +1

      Yup. Roland makes great keytars.

  • @joeylabranche1014
    @joeylabranche1014 2 роки тому

    Dude i know you are young but this is a keytar its a genuine musical instrument that was used in the 80s in rock music not a toys or something for people who can't play music.

  • @alifarhanmalik7926
    @alifarhanmalik7926 10 місяців тому

    no lead guitar sounds
    no rich sounds
    still old feel
    i love only shape and colour ❤

  • @AnadiaShark
    @AnadiaShark 4 місяці тому

    me finding about this 10 min ago, "oh this is cool it comes with training app if i understand correctly" but nope its toy mode. From what i also honw whole 4 buttons were at least dedicated to it, on the neck of it, which doesn't leave much to rest of it. Its still a great looking keytar, but if i get it i probably would want another half off the price.

  • @hahnkm
    @hahnkm 2 роки тому

    I was very interested in this product, but thanks to this video, I've found some reasons why I should not buy SHS-500 (especially lack of organ voice). Thanks for the good contents. I've just subscribed. :-)

    • @JCLiquorland
      @JCLiquorland 2 роки тому

      Can this keytar used as Wireless Midi controller with Abelton Live DAW?

  • @RunkkuRusina
    @RunkkuRusina 2 роки тому

    If it has an aux port you can just get a ~20€ 3.5mm bluetooth adapter and bam its got bluetooth audio.

  • @kaiskinny1351
    @kaiskinny1351 5 років тому +2

    Who’s here is because Jeremy is hitting 17k subcribers

    • @JeremySee
      @JeremySee  5 років тому

      🤣 thanks for being around.

  • @THIStm
    @THIStm 5 років тому

    Great Info!

  • @rubiconstruction9693
    @rubiconstruction9693 5 років тому

    It's has overdrive guitar r not

  • @mkiswatoo
    @mkiswatoo 21 день тому

    Crazy there's no organ sound!

  • @russschuett2652
    @russschuett2652 5 років тому

    Looks like fun to me! But no Android app. 😥

  • @concretejungle7513
    @concretejungle7513 5 років тому

    I now completely agree with your review, Jeremy. Apologies for the previous comment. I'm an idiot, what more can I say...?

    • @JeremySee
      @JeremySee  5 років тому +1

      Have a great day buddy.

  • @redcomn
    @redcomn 5 років тому

    Wait there's? Midi?
    I will hunt those vocaloid shs to play with my haven't reach boss sy-1000

  • @codenamemati
    @codenamemati 4 роки тому

    30 years late. It'd have been a success during the Milli Vanilli craze.

  • @Gpapon
    @Gpapon 4 роки тому

    my daughter is tone-deaf and she never plays any instrument. lately, she ask me to buy this for her.

  • @mikesarutto1788
    @mikesarutto1788 3 роки тому

    Hi Jeremy. Thank You for that review. Thinking of buy this but after what you said about it. I'll pass. Yamaha always makes great keyboards. I guess once and while they'll miss the mark and they forget about quality and choose quantity.

  • @redcomn
    @redcomn 5 років тому +1

    For me it died bc no miku outside japan
    No miku
    No buy

  • @gothicraver89
    @gothicraver89 4 роки тому

    Welp... There goes $299 down the drain.. after watching a few of these reviews I'm beginning to regret buying this keytar..

    • @lifeenjoyer6077
      @lifeenjoyer6077 3 роки тому

      The best Keytars from what i’ve gathered are made by Roland, more specifically the AX-7 Edge, they’re quite expensive but holy hell they’re worth the price, even Jeremy left some comments in this video reccomending those Keytars

  • @keithfowlkes-vpeitechnolog6917
    @keithfowlkes-vpeitechnolog6917 5 років тому +1

    I agree, Jeremy. I fear that if we lose the art of making music, we are doomed to a future filled with AI produced music without soul or skill.

    • @srBurns
      @srBurns 5 років тому +1

      It's happening already and it's called Reggeaton, unfortunately of big success. With auto tune they don't even bother to sing, spreading the message that there's no point in learning skills or working hard. It's all about getting to hit in the radio by having a funny look.

  • @SamNiverba
    @SamNiverba 5 років тому

    Yamaha........Why

  • @anindyabanerjee3318
    @anindyabanerjee3318 3 роки тому

    TRASPOSE FUCTION.. IS AVAILABLE...???? IF NOT I WILL KICK IT FROM KOLKATA.....

  • @МаксимВалерьев-с9г

    Портативность. Нет аналогов на рынке. Легко переносить.

  • @AerialTheShamen
    @AerialTheShamen 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the review. But what a crap keytar is that?! The Yamaha SHS-500 Sonogenic was obviously designed solely to ripoff Apple hipsters with too much money. Wireless is a tool to toast brains - this product proves it again. The pretend-play feature was alread invented by Casio in early 80th, named the "Ony Key Play" (see Casio VL-Tone), but at least you had to type the melody by yourself into its sequencer (needs some skill) or buy their expensive rompack cartridges.
    Keytars are not useless, but their controls should be much more based on motion (shaking in different directions to modulate sounds, having additional D-Beam or theremin-like sensors and big ribbon/touch controller in the neck and below the key row, possibly sideways bendable keys like a Mixtur-Trautonium) and not just a standard home keyboard hardware squeezed into a misfit case. Look what makes e-guitars exciting to play and why keytars lack that. (Hence the rock band MUSE used a touchscreen inside an actual e-guitar to have a synth at their fingers.) A poor midi implementation is an absolute no-go for such an instrument, and for that price of course it should have many more sounds available with edit capabilities. The old SHS-10 was not perfect either, but at least it did not feel artificially crippled to fool customers.
    Here is some info about the SHS-500 midi implementation and an iPad app "MIDI Designer" that apparently can edit some sound parameters because the SHS-500 has a full GM tone generator with all standard voices built-in, those however need to be externally looped back through a local-off trick:
    sandsoftwaresound.net/tag/yamaha-shs-500/

  • @fijielectrical8323
    @fijielectrical8323 5 років тому

    Yamaha pa 130 pa 150

  • @dazsteele8012
    @dazsteele8012 Рік тому

    DOES NOT BLUETOOTH TO A PC!!! Be warned.

  • @kaiskinny1351
    @kaiskinny1351 5 років тому

    Yahmah

  • @damlurker
    @damlurker 5 років тому +1

    I'm positive there are more weebs outside of japan who watch anime than people in japan who watch anime they should just market that vocaloid keyboard to these weebs.

  • @stephenbayer09
    @stephenbayer09 3 роки тому

    I just don't get the point of keytars I just find the consept dumb. Why doesn't Yamaha just put more focus on there DGX series one problem they still haven't solved with the DGX digital pianos is how to make that supposed portable" digital piano actually lightweight and portable. Somthing simple yet they still haven't done it.

  • @fabiogutierrez5197
    @fabiogutierrez5197 5 років тому

    🤗

  • @valeriandmitriev4678
    @valeriandmitriev4678 4 роки тому

    Jiiijiiiijiiijiiijiijiiiijiijiiiijiijiii

  • @thomaspick4123
    @thomaspick4123 5 років тому

    Junk. Proper keyboardists should sit down to play their instrument correctly. Never stand and play a keyboard, it is not proper. Your music teacher would be very disappointed in you.