Slow SPEC Drone Racing! The Answer To Better Racing?
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- You're not going to believe this one! We added throttle caps to our quads and pitted myself versus Detroit's own Cappy_One. Cappy_One is one of Detroit's fastest pilots, but he's looking to become the top pilot. We slow down the quads and try to race at half speed to "level the playing field". You won't want to miss what we learned!
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We run an indoor spec class for the winter here. We use Fullspeed Leader 3 inch quads on 3S batteries only, with the exception of allowing Emax RS1106 motors of the same KV(4500) instead of the stock motors for more durability.
It makes for some really tight racing and you have to find the balance between going flat out and efficiency or you'll end up dealing with sag from the 3S packs in the later laps.
It's a real easy entry point for new guys joining the club too. They have an inexpensive and relatively durable BNF quad that they can buy and just jump straight into the racing.
very nice video and unexpected conclusion. Good job!
In short, spec racing favours efficient flying over raw/power flying.
Which do you think is easier to improve? Efficiency of line or Comfort with speed.
The really top pilots are BOTH efficient and can use the power effectively and will do well in either spec or open racing.
The mid-tier pilots that do well in spec are usually not using power effectively, or not comfortable at high speed.
The mid-tier pilots that do poorly in spec are usually comfortable at high speed, but inefficient at power management.
100% agree with the analysis at the end. great job Jay!
I think I can back up the assessment that the sustained stick-input moves where confidence in knowing that you'll end up spatially where you want to be is what separates really fast pilots from the merely quick pilots.
If the ultimate goal is to have more races where pilots are within a couple gates and can see each other, I think there's a lot to be said about having a bit less power available, and that middle ground feels like a pretty solid choice. I still think matching hardware is probably requisite for good spec racing, at which point making that an inherent part of the spec seems preferable (props, motors, AUW). I do think there would be a place for open-spec racing with weight minimums (mandatory HD camera and LED hardware) to achieve some of those goals.
nice vid man! I think Cappy needs to tweak his rates slightly to improve his line on the corkscrew. he's a really fast pilot for sure!
Really, really interesting, dude! 😃
I'm really curious to see a race with the idea of running the Emax 6s quad on 3s. It should be fun!!! 😂
You are killing it with interesting videos right now! Kudos to you for spending a bunch of time helping another pilot understand how to improve.
Thanks for doing these tests!
Neat perspective and nice to hear your commentary on the line and speed.
Thank you again John, really enjoying your uploads. ☺
I think you have made it very clear, what actually differentiates faster pilots, is still really tight lines.
Great video, subject and production. I always enjoy someone actually having a theory, coming up with a way to test, execute the test and then distribute the information in a digestable way. This is way more work and effort than many people realize, great job.
I have been thinking about this for a while, and many of my thoughts have been contrary to what many thought, and you actually demonstrated a lot of this in this test.
I think there are several intangible things that we dont often think about in these equations and it is very interesting to see some of these teased out.
The main 2 things I have thought about are
1 - Cleaner lines, will actually cause more of an advantage at very low throttle points, and you touched on this directly.
2 - Inconsistency will cause inconclusive data sets. You did a great job getting a good volume of data, but i think the data still may be skewed because one of the biggest differences between a top tier pilot, 2nd tier, and possibly 3rd tier (sportsman class), is that the lesser the skill the less consistent they will be. This may make certain throttle ranges appear to be better or worse than others.
3 - A huge difference in tier 1 and lower skill tiers, is ability to learn a track quickly. I have noticed this many times, that tier 1 can easily learn a track and are putting in their fastest laps by the actual counted rounds. Lower tiers, may take 10, 15, 20 packs before they actually reach their fastest times. I believe you noted that day 2 looked very unexpected. I think part of this is that, learning the track over many many packs has a greater positive effect than adjusting the throttle ranges.
4 - Mental fatigue. I notice for myself, my times have sort of a bell curve. I have times that get faster and faster, and eventually become slower as my mental fatigue makes it impossible to get any more fast laps. I noticed that the results, also have a similar sort of bell like curve to them.
I wonder if these factors may also be contributing to the outcomes. Either way, very good experiment, and analysis. Seeing the tiny adjustments that a top pilot can make, next to a very fast pilot is extremely helpful to us all.
I have a pair of pilots in my city that are very close substitutes, but watching them only allows so many conclusions to be drawn, and this video helps articulate all these concepts much more clearly.
Keep these coming.
Thanks man, thank you for noticing how much work this was to put together and analyze. Your feedback is also very helpful. I do agree that my sample size is still very small, and subject to issues drawing too definitive of conclusions, I was just offering my analysis for the set I did have. The biggest issue I have with this testing is that it was only 2 pilots. I would have loved to have had more data and included 10+ pilots competing over all of these rounds. In total we did 56 packs of testing for this. While that's a pretty good number, I could always use more :)
Regarding the specific points:
2. As mentioned we did 56 total packs. Definitely the more data the better, and ideally we could do more. It's just hard to find days and sunlight at this point.
3. This part may not have been clear in the video, but neither track we ran was the first time we each ran the track. In fact Cappy had WAY more packs on these tracks prior to us doing this testing. So any advantage I may have had by possibly learning a track faster should have been far outweighed by the significant advantage of packs he had over me on the tracks.
4. Mental fatigue is interesting. It doesn't usually impact my flying (it can on rare occassions), but it's an interesting variable to consider and keep in mind. Thanks.
Interesting analysis and results
... in sailing under ligth wind the experts will win by a larger margin. They have better time to capitalise on their skills, whilst an amateur no matter the time doesn't know what to do different/optimise. The longer legs - the worse it gets ... :-)
Well put.
I love the wealth of good advice in your videos. Thanks for putting so much time and care in providing the data! And the best tip of all: Clean your lens. I am SO guilty of this sometimes.
Haha! Thank you so much, I'm glad you thought it was helpful!
Really cool video 👌. Awesome that you are helping fellow racer.
I’m an auto racer.....we’ve always run spec:-)
That video was a 'crappy one' ...just kidding, sort of. Love the scientific approach to the question!
Slow spec would be great with something like the old Emax 2205 2300 Would truly be a pilot race rather than an equipment race. Or even run a 6s 1750 motor on 4s. 👍
Did you watch the video?
Lol
John E Fly lol yeah I typed before I finished watching it.
I do think there might be merit to some of those, since running lower voltage does seem to actually provide more corner punch relative to unloaded power, especially on lighter loaded props if you were going to run that spec.
I think there's a chance that could help minimize the giant time (and space gaps) that come out of being able to corner better, but it would also reduce opportunities to catch back up after small mistakes.
Instead of making the quads slower I’m thinking we should make the courses larger and less elements for spectators that are new
what spectators? I feel like as a community we spend too much time talking about "for the spectators" and not enough "for the racers" when we don't have any spectators. If you have a specific event that can actually attract spectators (like a race at a festival) it makes sense. But the majority of races have very few people there to watch. Regarding larger courses, we also have to worry about having venues to support a larger course. That can be very difficult.
@@JohnEFly There are no spectators because look at what the event looks like from an average joe. Looks boring af and hard to tell whats happening. DRL shows what the sport needs in order to grow spectators, which in turn, leads to revenue/growth of sport.
Hmmmmm
I think leaving your runcam OSD turned on is an automatic 1s/lap slower.
You must have never seen HeadsupFPV fly.
On that note, I did teach him about camera control from his FC after this :)
I saw RUNCAM 5V!! all the way through MultiGP Finals :)
Can I compete with a Emax hawk sport 4S? Or do I have to go to 6S (Is the difference big)? Or should I go for the sport model? Thanks for your reply!
I would say you can compete until you can't. If you can fly for about 1:45-2:00 with that quad at your race pace you're probably good. Keep pushing to get better with what you have, and it'll start letting you down, then worry about upgrading. Often just upgrading to something more powerful can actually make you less competitive as it's less forgiving on mistakes.
John E Fly So is this something "more powerful (unforgiving)? Or did you mean that I shouldn't go to a even faster quad? (I only own a 2S betafpv 85 pro, but I has alot of power for its size!) Im on a budget so I don't want to rebuy new wuads, also I have alot of time to practice and I fell like I would be a good racer😂. So what model would you recommend me? I personally would get a Emax hawk sport 6S right now, what do you think of that choice? Thanks alot!
@@jonashediger182 if you don't already have a 5" racer, go 6S. It just may make sense to tune it down when you're starting (use a throttle cap of 60% to start with perhaps). Then you can increase it as you get better.
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