I love how, Harold, didn't yell at the officer's when they laughed at him, he just rushed to the captains cabin and told him right away. Also kudos to, Captain Arthur, for not snapping at, Harold, when he woke him up brutally
@@FilosophicalPharmer You are right, no one makes pranks on Captains, who are respected by the other crew members. Sailors may joke between themselves, but never to a superior.
I agree. I think it would make a really good movie, especially exploring the choices and risks the Captain had to assess. I really like movies that make me think about what I would do in those circumstances.
@@MillwallRobest yes she was sunk during WWI on 17 July 1918 after being torpedoed three times by the U boat U55 off the southern Irish coast with a loss of five crew members (killed in the torpedo strikes), all other passengers and crew abandoned ship and were picked up by the Royal Navy ship HMS Snowdrop, which also drove off the U boat with its guns.
Not gonna lie, but I think Ismay was right in suggesting that the Olympic not take the survivors, that would be even more traumatic. The people would think either they are seeing a ghost or have false hope that it was some weird bad dream. This was great, thanks for posting!
I agree, I think Ismay was concerned about that. Hate to sound cynical, but I think an ulterior motive is he didn’t want the added bad press of Titanic passengers arriving on another White Star liner. Also it just seems even riskier to try to transfer all those people at sea when the Carpathia could just take them to NYC. Think of the inconvenience to the Carpathia‘s passengers, but I’m sure most of them understood.
all that shit talk about ismay being a coward and all was totally untrue. he helped load the boats on the side he was on, together with andrews and the captain. he ONLY went in the very last lifeboat when all the women and children were gone where he was. he helped LOTS of people that night
@@skyguy1988 ITA. Ismay did his best to try and help people. I think a problem was that newspapers raised people against him, after learning he'd survived, in the days between the sinking and "Carpathia" reaching NYC and the truth coming out.
@@TorontoJediMaster plus if he went down with the ship, he couldn't have told the tale. he also couldnt have ENSURED that this never happens again . because he made it a priority to tell everyone ships MUST HAVE MORE LIFEBOATS.
@@skyguy1988 interestingly enough, more lifeboats probably wouldn’t have helped the Titanic. They didn’t even have time to actually launch all the lifeboats that they did have. (Two of the collapsibles were actually floated off the ship because they didn’t have time to launch them via the Davits. If there was another row of lifeboats inboard of the ones that were actually there, it would have condensed the deck space further, made it more cluttered, and quite possibly have slowed the process down to where even less lifeboats were actually launched.
The film A Night To Remember did a fantastic job portraying Carpathia's roll during the Titanic disaster. One of the few things the Cameron film didn't feature in his film.
a night to remember is much much better and more accurate the james cameron's titanic. i prefer a night to remember. plus the love story of jack and rose is just cringe AF and ruins the whole thing
@@skyguy1988 I suppose you'd call "Romeo and Juliet" cringe too. I'm so tired of people piling on the movie that led to the majority of us being interested in the Titanic in the first place. The romance "ruins" nothing, it adds stakes, investment and humanity to a tragedy A Night To Remember tells in a very stilted way (And it has its share of inaccuracies too, lol).
When asked about the risks he took running Carpathia through the ice field at high speed at night, Captain Rostron is said to have replied "I can only conclude another hand than mine was on the helm.".
Captain Rostron was being humble. He stayed on the bridge. Captain Smith went to bed. He used 23 lookouts from port to bow to starboard with binoculars in addition to lookouts in the crow's nest. Captain Smith didn't get the binoculars out of the locker. God didn't harm Titanic. God didn't help Carpathia. The Carpathia had a better captain and more communicative radio operator and crew.
I don't have any knowledge of ships or anything and I have never been that much interested in Titanic BUT for some reason the moment Rostrom' says 'tell Titanic we are coming as fast as possible' it makes me so emotional same with his statement when he ordered to 'shoot fireworks every 15 mins to give the survivors support and hope that help is on its way' these two orders for some reason makes me wanna cry for the efforts that amazing captain and the ship made to help a ship that was (as far as I know) belonged to a rival ship line! Both the ship and the captain are true heroes ♡
Hey, I am a huge Titanic and Carpathia historian and you are the whole reason I started to get interested in it. I just hope you keep making these amazing videos.
The efforts the Carpathia captain made to get there was unbelievable. He is either extremely brave or a fool over pressurizing the boilers. That one fact was new to me. TYVM for the 411.
Boilers, even back then usually have a margin of safety of about 10 to 20 percent above what they are normally rated on as the "safe" maximum pressure. So usually the ship had a speed of 14 knots, if they over pressurized the boilers to their actual max pressure rating, 20% to get to 17 knots is about right. but any more than that 20% could have been a disaster. They knew what they were doing.
@@GeneralKenobiSIYE 10-20% is almost nothing, thats the range the safety valve respond, 10-20% isnt even enough to compensate wear, its like 10 bar operating pressure, but explodes at 11-12 bar. The safety margin is around 100-250% of the operating pressure. Also speed to power ratio isnt linear, to get 20% over the construction speed, you need a loot more than 20% more power
Captain Rostrom’s response to Cottham was recorded as, ‘Tell him that we are coming along as quickly as we can.’ I’ve always thought that is one of the most dramatic and understated instructions in maritime history. Thank you for a very well researched video and for not having a go at Californian.
@@Jasper7182009 true, but also take into account that maritime laws didn't require 24hr comms at the time. I'm not absolving the Californian for not responding but I also acknowledge that it wasn't entirely their fault
@@patriotforlife6592 it wasn't entirely their fault and it's questionable how much they could've helped, but they absolutely deserve criticism for doing nothing. It goes beyond the wireless. They visibly saw the ship listing in the water, they visibly saw Titanic's lights underwater, they visibly saw distress rockets, and they even saw the Morse lamp from the Titanic and failed to recognize it. They also spent half the night warning everyone about ice bergs. It was gross negligence at best
@@Jasper7182009 3 times the officers on the California's bridge, told the captain that a large ship to the south was firing rockets. They counted 7 rockets, But the captain just said try to contact her with the lamp? Why didn't say wake the wireless man and see if anything is amiss? So simple but he just didn't want to get out of his warm bed! Every first year cadet in those days knew rockets at sea mean 1 thing, HELP! then at the inquest the log books went missing.
The captain doubled the lookouts and (I think) posted lookouts lower down on the ship, where they would have an easier time spotting icebergs before they hit their ship.
I have to let you know Iv been listening to you videos and I find them very informative, interesting, and enjoyable. You really have the facts down. Your inthusiazim is evident in you delivery of the narrative. Great job hope your still at it. You are exemplary with your wealth of details.
There are a number of ships involved that night that aren't recognised enough. The first is SS Mount Temple which, while too far away to save Titanic (about 70 miles compared to Carpathia's 58), still made a valiant effort to reach the stricken liner, her rescue mission brought to a stop only when she ran into the dense ice field surrounding Titanic. She reached Titanic's last reported position at 4:30am, yet found no sign of the ship or her occupants. Her captain calculated that Titanic had actually sank 8 miles further east and arrived at the correct location at 6am, just in time to see Carpathia taking the survivors onboard. The second is Frankfurt, which historians believe was only 20 miles away from Titanic, her captain stating that he would arrive by 2am, well before Carpathia and saving the lives of those who died of exposure. Despite Phillips' belief that Frankfurt was close enough to render aid, he rudely dismissed the vessel when it asked for clarification on the vague message he had sent. (Despite popular belief, CQ D was not a distress call. Phillips was simply telling all ships in the area that he needed aid without actually stating what was wrong with his vessel) Why Phillips ignored a ship he believed to be close enough to help him in favour of communicating with ships too far away to be of any use is a mystery in itself. Despite this, Frankfurt's crew were not called upon to give evidence which might have cleared things up. Another was the liner Birma, which Carpathia sternly refused aid from simply because she didn't carry a Marconi wireless set. (Yes, Marconi's rivalry with other firms was so bitter that their employees often refused to provide aid to any vessel that used rival technology) This meant that Birma's minor yet crucial role in the disaster went largely unnoticed for over 70 years. The British inquiry ignored the evidence from both Mount Temple and Birma (both of which reached Titanic's supposed location, only to find Carpathia rescuing survivors miles to the north-east) that clearly showed that Titanic had broadcast a wildly inaccurate location, instead insisting that Californian was mistaken in where she was. It wasn't until 1990 that Birma's logs exonerated Californian from the stitch up the British inquiry had created.
Exonerated is a stretch. They saw a weird vessel speeding into an ice field, an ice field they themselves were stopped by. They saw it abruptly stop and didn't think to hop on the ol wireless and see if it was anything. They saw flares, still didn't think to actually do anything other than run about to each other asking about the damn flares but never bothering to pop on and fucking ask. They saw what appeared to be Morse lamps and again ran around *talking* about it but did anybody try the Marconi sitting right there. Nope. Weird ship vanishes, did anybody finally hop on just to see. Lol get out of here with that shit, they fucked about some more and could not possibly bother to check. All this in an era where nobody thought twice about 40 hour shifts or only getting 6 hours of sleep or working months straight but no no let's let the Marconi dude sleep.
@@evil1by1 they did try to contact Titanic after first stopping for ice, trying to warn them of the ice field that had stopped them. Titanic's wireless man told him to "shut up", because the signal was loud and interfered with him passing passenger messages along to a shore station, Cape Race. Both ships sent Morse messages, but neither could see the other, which meant they were further than 10 miles apart, which was the maximum effective distance. The officer on watch at the time could have awakened the wireless man to make inquiries - he didn't need Lord's permission to do that, but he apparently didn't possess the slightest modicum of curiosity.
Capt Rostron reportedly picked up and noted more lifeboats than were actually on Titanic, and this is never mentioned. When questioned by Lord Mersey at the British Inquiry, Mersey asked Rostron 'Altogether, how many boats did you pick up?', to which Rostron replied: 'We got 13 lifeboats alongside, and we picked up 13 lifeboats, two emergency boats, and two Berthon collapsible boats. One lifeboat we saw capsized and one of the Berthon boats was not launched from the ship. There was also a Berthon boat we saw capsized. This made a total of 20.' Capt Rostron also compiled a full list of the survivors that Carpathia had rescued that morning and this was carefully compiled name by name when each survivor arrived on deck. Carpathia's wireless operator Harold Cottom then transmitted the full list as soon as it was complete and as passed on to him by Capt Rostron. But oddly, the list contained a total of 803 names. It's documented that only 705 people survived the disaster, so where did the extra 98 come from I wonder?.
So glad I found your channel. I learn a lot more about the Titanic from you than anyone else other than Cameron himself. Love the outgoing attitude you have cause it makes the videos enjoyable to watch and listen to.
Absolutely brilliant video from start to finish. Just imagine how horrific things could have been if Captain Rostron hadn't believed Cottam, and Cottam had just spent the rest of the night listening to people die?
It was actually a pretty courageous thing for a lowly wireless operator to barge into a captain's quarters and abruptly awaken him. Not only was it a time where class distinction was rigidly adhered to but this was also a matter of rank. It was a gross breach of discipline to override the normal chain of command. In other words - back then the lower class knew their place and didn't speak until spoken to by their betters.
There definitely would’ve been fewer survivors! The survivors were exhausted, crying, shivering, and hurting terribly when the Carpathia rescued them. There were other ships that picked up the Titanic’s distress call and tried to dash to her rescue too, but none of them started to arrive at the location until around the time the Carpathia had picked up the last of the survivors which was sometime between 9:30 and 10:00 that morning.
@@reneedailey1696 Well, actually, I meant Harold Bride saw Jack Phillips dead from the Carpathia as Bride had explained at inquiries. Bride and Cottam were mostly just comforted by each other as they worked together to do all of the great message relaying during their journey to New York City following the Titanic sinking.
This video was so very informative and interesting.....such a good history lesson, teaching things l had never heard before....thanks for sharing your stories with us and please tell us more.
I have to give Capt. Rostron, the preparations he ordered (this is when there were No Instructions for at sea rescues) were basically recommended by the Boards of Inquiry, word for word, to become the Written Instructions for How To Conduct A Rescue At Sea!!!
Thank you for all information you’ve had collected to understand why Titanic sank how that tragic happened was very thoughtful I still looking for other video.
Greetings, Absolutely stellar production. Excellent research and great delivery. Have been doing a lot of research about the Carpathia of late and have amassed a lot of specifications and early history from maiden voyage on. But you gave me more tidbits of info that I did not have. This and the video of The Titanic in Her Own Words are the two best productions about the disaster yet. Yours for a yeoman's job with research and the narrative, and "In Her Own Words" for the ingenious and novel POV of that terrible night. I cried when I first heard it. Thank you both for your fine efforts!! PS: My grandmother (she was about 2-1/2 years old at the time) traveled to the New World on Carpathia in 1908 with her older sister, brother, and mother. Their father had come to the States a year earlier to settle in East Saint Louis before sending for his family to leave Hungary. So my family has a very loose connection to these great ships.
That is such an amazing connection to Carpathia. She transported so many people safely during her career. I believe five people were killed when she was torpedoed by the German U-boat in 1918.
Anyone else feel like the Titanic is perpetually showing a sad face when you see pictures of the her underwater? I realize it’s due to the slumping of the bow on the seabed and how it impacted and deteriorated over time, however it just looks very sad. The stern as well due to the implosion it suffered, looks defeated. Really sad to see arguably the greatest ship ever made (mostly due to its tragic story) never complete her service the way she was intended to. Interestingly sad personification, I guess she also feels sad with her short career.
As a naval history nerd I know a bit about how ships of that era worked; boilers and engines for naval applications were built robustly with a decent margin for safety. Using arbitrary numbers, a ship's boiler designed to handle 200psi would have a safety margin of 10-20% where you could over pressure the boiler with out any damage or risk of catastrophic failure for limited amounts of time (basically your not cruising around in that margin all day). It was also the same with the engines they also had a margin of safety built into them. So the Carpathia's captain didn't really take that large of a risk provided he did not disable the safety valves on the engines and boilers that would open if the pressure exceeded the pre-built margin of saftey.
Actually, she "rode the 130s"! This is pushing the entire Steam System HARD... They valved off and bypassed the 110% & the 120% Safety Valves! I feel that the Charge of the Carpatia should get greater attention!!! The 1958 film "A Night To Remember" does her more justice than the film "Titanic"!
Wanna pick your brain about this. I understand Titanic had a coal fire before leaving port. Apparently, it was so hot, it made the steel more brittle in that area. Unbelievable amount of coal carried in these ships!!
First rescue ship to reach the RMS Titanic . The Carpathia Rescued all the passengers in life boats, from the RMS Titanic.Captain Ralston of the Carpathia and The wireless Operator were very much instrumental in the rescue of the passengers of the RMS Titanic.
Hey Sam I was finally able to pick up my Christmas gift from one of my friends, "On A Sea Of Glass" I am so excited to dig in and read the book. Now I'll ace your quizzes and know even more about the Titanic!!!! Also the Titanic coal I got in my photo frame from the Luxor exhibit fell out some how so my husband secretly went and ordered me a larger chuck of coal. It came in a glass display case with a letter of authenticity. So cool. That's about all I'll ever own of the titanic but it is enough for me.
8:35 Harold had another big clue that it was really the Titanic that was sending the call for help: MGY, the brand new Marconi station on Titanic, was using very new, much improved equipment, the newly designed 5kW synchronous rotary spark transmitter. Not even the Olympic, the flagship of the class, had such a modern marvel. And this transmitter sounded differently than pretty much every other station in wireless range. From what i can find, except maybe a couple of land based Marconi installations on land where those transmitters were developed, nobody else had access to those models at the time. And each Marconi station on the Atlantic had rough charts of time vs. distance to various ships that were updated for every trip. So if you know the pre-calculated distance to a ship and its transmitter power, an experienced operator can take a guess if the loudness he hears matches what the chart says it should be.
@@wolf310ii It had a much cleaner tone than anything else on the ocean. And due to its long range, he might have heard other transmissions of Titanic before the emergency call. (The Titanic spend many hours before that sending out the backlog of passenger messages)
You could even include an extended epilogue of Rostron being universally praised for his conduct - Congressional Medal of Honor, Knighthood, the medal presented by Molly Brown, etc.
I'm a fairly new subscriber and I greatly admire your hard work and dedication to telling the tales of these great ships. Though sea-going liners are my first love I also enjoy tales of our land liners, the great passenger trains that crossed our country before Amtrak. One true tale that is hardly covered in video form is the 1952 incident of the snowbound streamliner, The City of San Francisco, which was trapped at the Donner Pass cut through on the old Southern Pacific railroad. It was covered in the book Snowbound Streamliner. I truly believe you would be the perfect person to turn this tale into a excellent video record for all to share on UA-cam. Thanks again for your hard work.
The optical illusion saved a lot of lives, also the guy that said no to the olympic definitely made a good call considering he must’ve been just as shaken up as all the other survivors
Two héros on the Carpathia. The wireless operator who decided to check one more time before shutting down for the night. And, of course, the Captain Rostron who reacted immediately.
A few corrections: a larger ship (like RMS Titanic and even the RMS Carpathia & SS California) also have a white masthead light (360 degree visibility). The name for various things aboard a ship have different names depending on the country the ship is from. For instance a ship's Dynamo (British) is the exact same thing as a ship's Generator (US). Hence Navigation Lights and Running Lights are probably both correct! (Of course it could also be one was what they called them in 1912 and what they called them in 1978 when I went "Haze Gray and Underway" in the US Navy.... In 1912, Signals were not standardize, so instead of using Red Distress Rockets & Flares, RMS Titanic used White Rockets and Green Flares.... Finally, Boxhall may have used the last reported position listed in the ship's log.... Not to mention the possibility of the current moving the lifeboats! (Also, between the Navigator's sightings you do your estimates by Dead Reckoning .)
Even under todays regulations, ships like Titanic would not have a 360° white top light. The regulations for the top lights on the Titanic in 1912 were pretty similar to todays regulation. It must have a with light with an arc of 20 points of the compass, 10 points to each side, 20-40ft above the hull in front of the fore mast. It may have a second light similar to the first, 15 ft higher on the aft mast. One point is 11,25°
That scenic image of the titanic in complete darkness except for the lights, shows what it really looked like. The area around the titanic wasn't brightly illuminated like in the 1998 Movie. It was very dark. They barely could even see the giant white iceberg which is why they hit it. Even if you were lucky enough to get into a lifeboat...by the time the titanic really started down fast all of the lights went out and everyone was in near pitch darkness minus the dim illumination of the stars/moon. Frightening to say the least
@@stormkelleh Titanic's crew firing flares at the wrong periods that Californian doesn't think it's distress flares, someone forgot to give the lookout crew some binoculars, some people trying to overload lifeboats and tip them over, and more.
@@stormkelleh How is it amazing?! The first example I gave made the Californian not come to Titanic's rescue, Not giving binoculars to the lookout crew made Titanic hit the iceberg and sink, overloading the boat made people drown! It isn't amazing! It isn't just about people doin right things, at the right time. So I still do not see your point, and you call the tragedies I mentioned above amazing?!
Aloha, wonderful research and presentation. The Titanic must have turned into PANIC CITY once the majority of it’s passengers finally realized that the Titanic was not unsinkable. It’s eerie strange that so many of the life boats were not even filled to capacity. Passengers were not aware of the severity of the ship’s damages. Such a tragedy. R.I.P. all who went down.
This video is very informative, and interesting too. When one begins to think about the tragedy, one at times forgets the great adavances in technology that have occurred since then, and this video reminds one it was 1912, and even radio with spoken words did not exist. One had to understand the Morse Code to know what the messages sent by the ships said. The fact the Carpathia raced at over its rated speed to the scene, probably saved many passengers who would have died of hypothermia.
Your comment around 10:59 about his reaction upon being woken up. I get what you are saying as I am rubbish being woken up, but I don’t know, being a ships captain, it’s your job. My dad is a merchant navy captain, well not anymore as he works ashore but he still holds the title, has done numerous trips in various officer positions before being a captain. It was his job, being woken to that sort of thing was and is part of the job. Obviously these days it happens a lot less and as a merchant seaman the biggest worry is pirates 😬
I love your videos bc even though Titanic (the movie) was great it's really cool hearing the true story. I've always been curious about what food the passengers on the Titanic ate? Like how did it differ for each class and also did they have refrigeration on board? If you'd like to make a video answering these questions that would be awesome! 😏
I wonder what the bridge officers thought when the captain believed the radio operator after they had laughed at him and what they thought when they found out he was correct and they were rescuing the survivors.
I read that they were nervous they might be getting in trouble when they reached Captain Rostron’s room briefly after Harold Cottam had awakened Arthur Rostron and didn’t protest against Rostron’s order to turn the ship around and start heading for the Titanic’s sinking location.
It’s so crazy to think that the equivalent of what the captain did to the carpathias engines is the same thing as hitting NOS on a stock engine in a car. It can and should blow up by all accounts but it didn’t it’s just mind blowing.
@@GrapeCheckerBoard indeed, they must have known their ship inside out never mind what the safety margins say. Guess you can always break the rules but only if you really know what you're doing. Heroism without the knowledge to back it up is recklessness but thankfully the Captain knew his shit and got through it in one piece
It was just Devine intervention that Harold Cottam had stayed up a little later than usual and wore his headphones while on no official duty, just in the process of getting undressed for bed before shutting down the radio for the night.
I love how, Harold, didn't yell at the officer's when they laughed at him, he just rushed to the captains cabin and told him right away. Also kudos to, Captain Arthur, for not snapping at, Harold, when he woke him up brutally
Good thing he didn't brush it off as a prank
Especially since everyone knew about the jokes. He took the time to listen and confirm
Worked on a 165' Motoryacht. Trust me, Captains aren't included in pranks. He knew, simply by being disturbed, how serious the message was.
@@FilosophicalPharmer You are right, no one makes pranks on Captains, who are respected by the other crew members. Sailors may joke between themselves, but never to a superior.
@@jmrodas9 Oh wow! It’s been a year? Queued!!! 👍🏼
The story of the Carpathia going to the rescue is a fascinating and interesting one. This could make a good movie of itself.
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Pretty sure the carpathia sunk to a u boat could be wrong though
The 1958 film "A Night To Remember" has a lot more about the RMS Carpathia, also mentions SS California's inaction...
I agree. I think it would make a really good movie, especially exploring the choices and risks the Captain had to assess. I really like movies that make me think about what I would do in those circumstances.
@@MillwallRobest yes she was sunk during WWI on 17 July 1918 after being torpedoed three times by the U boat U55 off the southern Irish coast with a loss of five crew members (killed in the torpedo strikes), all other passengers and crew abandoned ship and were picked up by the Royal Navy ship HMS Snowdrop, which also drove off the U boat with its guns.
Not gonna lie, but I think Ismay was right in suggesting that the Olympic not take the survivors, that would be even more traumatic. The people would think either they are seeing a ghost or have false hope that it was some weird bad dream. This was great, thanks for posting!
I agree, I think Ismay was concerned about that. Hate to sound cynical, but I think an ulterior motive is he didn’t want the added bad press of Titanic passengers arriving on another White Star liner. Also it just seems even riskier to try to transfer all those people at sea when the Carpathia could just take them to NYC. Think of the inconvenience to the Carpathia‘s passengers, but I’m sure most of them understood.
all that shit talk about ismay being a coward and all was totally untrue. he helped load the boats on the side he was on, together with andrews and the captain. he ONLY went in the very last lifeboat when all the women and children were gone where he was. he helped LOTS of people that night
@@skyguy1988 ITA. Ismay did his best to try and help people. I think a problem was that newspapers raised people against him, after learning he'd survived, in the days between the sinking and "Carpathia" reaching NYC and the truth coming out.
@@TorontoJediMaster plus if he went down with the ship, he couldn't have told the tale. he also couldnt have ENSURED that this never happens again . because he made it a priority to tell everyone ships MUST HAVE MORE LIFEBOATS.
@@skyguy1988 interestingly enough, more lifeboats probably wouldn’t have helped the Titanic. They didn’t even have time to actually launch all the lifeboats that they did have. (Two of the collapsibles were actually floated off the ship because they didn’t have time to launch them via the Davits. If there was another row of lifeboats inboard of the ones that were actually there, it would have condensed the deck space further, made it more cluttered, and quite possibly have slowed the process down to where even less lifeboats were actually launched.
The film A Night To Remember did a fantastic job portraying Carpathia's roll during the Titanic disaster. One of the few things the Cameron film didn't feature in his film.
I agree
Best Titanic film ever made a night to remember 🕊🙏😇✝️
a night to remember is much much better and more accurate the james cameron's titanic. i prefer a night to remember. plus the love story of jack and rose is just cringe AF and ruins the whole thing
Ya a night to remember is better it tells more of titanic's story
@@skyguy1988 I suppose you'd call "Romeo and Juliet" cringe too. I'm so tired of people piling on the movie that led to the majority of us being interested in the Titanic in the first place. The romance "ruins" nothing, it adds stakes, investment and humanity to a tragedy A Night To Remember tells in a very stilted way (And it has its share of inaccuracies too, lol).
When asked about the risks he took running Carpathia through the ice field at high speed at night, Captain Rostron is said to have replied "I can only conclude another hand than mine was on the helm.".
He certainly had some help from up above. No one should have been able to do that at the speed they were going, as Titanic proved...
Captain Rostron was being humble. He stayed on the bridge. Captain Smith went to bed. He used 23 lookouts from port to bow to starboard with binoculars in addition to lookouts in the crow's nest. Captain Smith didn't get the binoculars out of the locker.
God didn't harm Titanic. God didn't help Carpathia. The Carpathia had a better captain and more communicative radio operator and crew.
Yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the sinking of the Costa Concordia. RIP to the 32 people who died that horrible night.
@XenobladeClips No, he was sentenced to jail in 2017. He was only in parison since 2017.
@XenobladeClips yeah.
@XenobladeClips He's only been in prison for 4 years now.
@XenobladeClips 16 years and 1 month
His sentence should be longer.
I don't have any knowledge of ships or anything and I have never been that much interested in Titanic BUT for some reason the moment Rostrom' says 'tell Titanic we are coming as fast as possible' it makes me so emotional same with his statement when he ordered to 'shoot fireworks every 15 mins to give the survivors support and hope that help is on its way' these two orders for some reason makes me wanna cry for the efforts that amazing captain and the ship made to help a ship that was (as far as I know) belonged to a rival ship line! Both the ship and the captain are true heroes ♡
Captain Rostron was a brave man and a great sailor.
I'm so glad you said how the Carpathia handled it. This is the first time I have ever heard anyone doing a video on this.
Hey, I am a huge Titanic and Carpathia historian and you are the whole reason I started to get interested in it. I just hope you keep making these amazing videos.
The efforts the Carpathia captain made to get there was unbelievable. He is either extremely brave or a fool over pressurizing the boilers. That one fact was new to me. TYVM for the 411.
Boilers, even back then usually have a margin of safety of about 10 to 20 percent above what they are normally rated on as the "safe" maximum pressure. So usually the ship had a speed of 14 knots, if they over pressurized the boilers to their actual max pressure rating, 20% to get to 17 knots is about right. but any more than that 20% could have been a disaster. They knew what they were doing.
@@GeneralKenobiSIYE 10-20% is almost nothing, thats the range the safety valve respond, 10-20% isnt even enough to compensate wear, its like 10 bar operating pressure, but explodes at 11-12 bar. The safety margin is around 100-250% of the operating pressure.
Also speed to power ratio isnt linear, to get 20% over the construction speed, you need a loot more than 20% more power
Carpathia deserves her own full length feature film. That's such a wild story.
It could work because Carpathia did rescue Titanic survivors and did sink in world war I
Captain Rostrom’s response to Cottham was recorded as, ‘Tell him that we are coming along as quickly as we can.’ I’ve always thought that is one of the most dramatic and understated instructions in maritime history. Thank you for a very well researched video and for not having a go at Californian.
…. But the Carpathian and its Captain’s heroism is in stark contrast to the dereliction of duty of the Californian and its Captain.
@@Jasper7182009 true, but also take into account that maritime laws didn't require 24hr comms at the time. I'm not absolving the Californian for not responding but I also acknowledge that it wasn't entirely their fault
@@patriotforlife6592 it wasn't entirely their fault and it's questionable how much they could've helped, but they absolutely deserve criticism for doing nothing. It goes beyond the wireless. They visibly saw the ship listing in the water, they visibly saw Titanic's lights underwater, they visibly saw distress rockets, and they even saw the Morse lamp from the Titanic and failed to recognize it. They also spent half the night warning everyone about ice bergs. It was gross negligence at best
@@mithramusic5909 agreed
@@Jasper7182009 3 times the officers on the California's bridge, told the captain that a large ship to the south was firing rockets. They counted 7 rockets, But the captain just said try to contact her with the lamp? Why didn't say wake the wireless man and see if anything is amiss? So simple but he just didn't want to get out of his warm bed! Every first year cadet in those days knew rockets at sea mean 1 thing, HELP! then at the inquest the log books went missing.
its kind of a miracle that the carpathia even found the life boats, i feel like it would have been like finding a needle in a haystack
So many things could have gone wrong, its amazing how the Carpathia managed get there so fast and intact.
God bless the Carpathia.
C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an iceberg field is approximately 3,720 to 1.
Carpathia Captain: Never tell me the odds.
The captain doubled the lookouts and (I think) posted lookouts lower down on the ship, where they would have an easier time spotting icebergs before they hit their ship.
MCSM reference?
Sam I want to Thank you for doing your best with all the videos on the Titanic
I have to let you know Iv been listening to you videos and I find them very informative, interesting, and enjoyable. You really have the facts down. Your inthusiazim is evident in you delivery of the narrative. Great job hope your still at it. You are exemplary with your wealth of details.
There are a number of ships involved that night that aren't recognised enough.
The first is SS Mount Temple which, while too far away to save Titanic (about 70 miles compared to Carpathia's 58), still made a valiant effort to reach the stricken liner, her rescue mission brought to a stop only when she ran into the dense ice field surrounding Titanic. She reached Titanic's last reported position at 4:30am, yet found no sign of the ship or her occupants. Her captain calculated that Titanic had actually sank 8 miles further east and arrived at the correct location at 6am, just in time to see Carpathia taking the survivors onboard.
The second is Frankfurt, which historians believe was only 20 miles away from Titanic, her captain stating that he would arrive by 2am, well before Carpathia and saving the lives of those who died of exposure. Despite Phillips' belief that Frankfurt was close enough to render aid, he rudely dismissed the vessel when it asked for clarification on the vague message he had sent. (Despite popular belief, CQ D was not a distress call. Phillips was simply telling all ships in the area that he needed aid without actually stating what was wrong with his vessel) Why Phillips ignored a ship he believed to be close enough to help him in favour of communicating with ships too far away to be of any use is a mystery in itself. Despite this, Frankfurt's crew were not called upon to give evidence which might have cleared things up.
Another was the liner Birma, which Carpathia sternly refused aid from simply because she didn't carry a Marconi wireless set. (Yes, Marconi's rivalry with other firms was so bitter that their employees often refused to provide aid to any vessel that used rival technology)
This meant that Birma's minor yet crucial role in the disaster went largely unnoticed for over 70 years. The British inquiry ignored the evidence from both Mount Temple and Birma (both of which reached Titanic's supposed location, only to find Carpathia rescuing survivors miles to the north-east) that clearly showed that Titanic had broadcast a wildly inaccurate location, instead insisting that Californian was mistaken in where she was. It wasn't until 1990 that Birma's logs exonerated Californian from the stitch up the British inquiry had created.
that would certainly make sense. Thanks for telling us that.
Mount Temple was 49 miles away.
Exonerated is a stretch. They saw a weird vessel speeding into an ice field, an ice field they themselves were stopped by. They saw it abruptly stop and didn't think to hop on the ol wireless and see if it was anything. They saw flares, still didn't think to actually do anything other than run about to each other asking about the damn flares but never bothering to pop on and fucking ask. They saw what appeared to be Morse lamps and again ran around *talking* about it but did anybody try the Marconi sitting right there. Nope. Weird ship vanishes, did anybody finally hop on just to see. Lol get out of here with that shit, they fucked about some more and could not possibly bother to check. All this in an era where nobody thought twice about 40 hour shifts or only getting 6 hours of sleep or working months straight but no no let's let the Marconi dude sleep.
@@evil1by1 they did try to contact Titanic after first stopping for ice, trying to warn them of the ice field that had stopped them. Titanic's wireless man told him to "shut up", because the signal was loud and interfered with him passing passenger messages along to a shore station, Cape Race.
Both ships sent Morse messages, but neither could see the other, which meant they were further than 10 miles apart, which was the maximum effective distance. The officer on watch at the time could have awakened the wireless man to make inquiries - he didn't need Lord's permission to do that, but he apparently didn't possess the slightest modicum of curiosity.
Capt Rostron reportedly picked up and noted more lifeboats than were actually on Titanic, and this is never mentioned. When questioned by Lord Mersey at the British Inquiry, Mersey asked Rostron 'Altogether, how many boats did you pick up?', to which Rostron replied:
'We got 13 lifeboats alongside, and we picked up 13 lifeboats, two emergency boats, and two Berthon collapsible boats. One lifeboat we saw capsized and one of the Berthon boats was not launched from the ship. There was also a Berthon boat we saw capsized. This made a total of 20.'
Capt Rostron also compiled a full list of the survivors that Carpathia had rescued that morning and this was carefully compiled name by name when each survivor arrived on deck. Carpathia's wireless operator Harold Cottom then transmitted the full list as soon as it was complete and as passed on to him by Capt Rostron. But oddly, the list contained a total of 803 names. It's documented that only 705 people survived the disaster, so where did the extra 98 come from I wonder?.
So glad I found your channel. I learn a lot more about the Titanic from you than anyone else other than Cameron himself. Love the outgoing attitude you have cause it makes the videos enjoyable to watch and listen to.
That audio clip gave me chills listening to it.
Great video as always.
Absolutely brilliant video from start to finish.
Just imagine how horrific things could have been if Captain Rostron hadn't believed Cottam, and Cottam had just spent the rest of the night listening to people die?
It was actually a pretty courageous thing for a lowly wireless operator to barge into a captain's quarters and abruptly awaken him. Not only was it a time where class distinction was rigidly adhered to but this was also a matter of rank. It was a gross breach of discipline to override the normal chain of command. In other words - back then the lower class knew their place and didn't speak until spoken to by their betters.
There definitely would’ve been fewer survivors! The survivors were exhausted, crying, shivering, and hurting terribly when the Carpathia rescued them. There were other ships that picked up the Titanic’s distress call and tried to dash to her rescue too, but none of them started to arrive at the location until around the time the Carpathia had picked up the last of the survivors which was sometime between 9:30 and 10:00 that morning.
Carpathia should have it's own movie. Cuz it is the most famous rescue ship so i think it should have it's own movie
Thank you for the video, old man
Amazing Series Sam! See you at your stream!
Harold Cottam must have searched for his friend Jack Philips amongst the survivor’s. How incredibly sad.
He said he saw Jack Phillips dead in the water from the Carpathia.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY This is news to me- Do you recall where you learned this?
@@reneedailey1696 Well, actually, I meant Harold Bride saw Jack Phillips dead from the Carpathia as Bride had explained at inquiries. Bride and Cottam were mostly just comforted by each other as they worked together to do all of the great message relaying during their journey to New York City following the Titanic sinking.
I love these videos
This video was so very informative and interesting.....such a good history lesson, teaching things l had never heard before....thanks for sharing your stories with us and please tell us more.
Awesome video! Thank you for the explanations ! ⚓️
I have to give Capt. Rostron, the preparations he ordered (this is when there were No Instructions for at sea rescues) were basically recommended by the Boards of Inquiry, word for word, to become the Written Instructions for How To Conduct A Rescue At Sea!!!
My 2x great uncle was rescued and said the captain was incredible. He credited him with his life.❤
19:36 throw in a beat and those radio messages would go hard
Discovered this channel a month ago and I’m blown away by your knowledge of the titanic. Really interesting videos
Yes I loved this story and learning so much more. Thank you! When april comes I always think of the Titantic so thanks!
Thank you for all information you’ve had collected to understand why Titanic sank how that tragic happened was very thoughtful I still looking for other video.
This guy has some quality skills of analysis and narration...
Wish you success
Greetings,
Absolutely stellar production. Excellent research and great delivery. Have been doing a lot of research about the Carpathia of late and have amassed a lot of specifications and early history from maiden voyage on. But you gave me more tidbits of info that I did not have.
This and the video of The Titanic in Her Own Words are the two best productions about the disaster yet. Yours for a yeoman's job with research and the narrative, and "In Her Own Words" for the ingenious and novel POV of that terrible night. I cried when I first heard it.
Thank you both for your fine efforts!!
PS: My grandmother (she was about 2-1/2 years old at the time) traveled to the New World on Carpathia in 1908 with her older sister, brother, and mother. Their father had come to the States a year earlier to settle in East Saint Louis before sending for his family to leave Hungary. So my family has a very loose connection to these great ships.
That is such an amazing connection to Carpathia. She transported so many people safely during her career. I believe five people were killed when she was torpedoed by the German U-boat in 1918.
Thank you well presented...I never ever know this until now...I will be definitely looking at your other videos.
Well done! Good presentation.
Hey Sam, thanks for all the videos! I really enjoy them!
Anyone else feel like the Titanic is perpetually showing a sad face when you see pictures of the her underwater? I realize it’s due to the slumping of the bow on the seabed and how it impacted and deteriorated over time, however it just looks very sad. The stern as well due to the implosion it suffered, looks defeated. Really sad to see arguably the greatest ship ever made (mostly due to its tragic story) never complete her service the way she was intended to. Interestingly sad personification, I guess she also feels sad with her short career.
I would too, be upset if I show up at my first day at work only to die a few minutes later
It really is a scary looking wreck with its size appearing in the dark. Those rusticles all forming one direction with the current
😢😢😢😢
you are the best history teacher.
As a naval history nerd I know a bit about how ships of that era worked; boilers and engines for naval applications were built robustly with a decent margin for safety. Using arbitrary numbers, a ship's boiler designed to handle 200psi would have a safety margin of 10-20% where you could over pressure the boiler with out any damage or risk of catastrophic failure for limited amounts of time (basically your not cruising around in that margin all day). It was also the same with the engines they also had a margin of safety built into them. So the Carpathia's captain didn't really take that large of a risk provided he did not disable the safety valves on the engines and boilers that would open if the pressure exceeded the pre-built margin of saftey.
They knew how to squeeze every little bit of power and psi outta those engines. They were good at what they did.
Makes me laugh when people say this damaged the Carpathia's engines lol obviously not engineers
Actually, she "rode the 130s"! This is pushing the entire Steam System HARD... They valved off and bypassed the 110% & the 120% Safety Valves!
I feel that the Charge of the Carpatia should get greater attention!!! The 1958 film "A Night To Remember" does her more justice than the film "Titanic"!
Wanna pick your brain about this. I understand Titanic had a coal fire before leaving port. Apparently, it was so hot, it made the steel more brittle in that area. Unbelievable amount of coal carried in these ships!!
@@andyallen4554 True!! Plus, they were working under a lot of pressure.
Thank you! I've been a Titanic enthusiast since I was a kid, but you rarely Ever hear anything about the Carpathia. Thank you for this. :-)
Your videos are really awesome 😺❤
I'm a new subscriber to the channel. I think your videos are brilliant and very detailed. Excellent job. Love from Scotland.
First rescue ship to reach the RMS Titanic . The Carpathia Rescued all the passengers in life boats, from the RMS Titanic.Captain Ralston of the Carpathia and The wireless Operator were very much instrumental in the rescue of the passengers of the RMS Titanic.
Hi Sam I really like your channel I’ve watched all your vid in one late night sitting lol. 👍
Great video Sam. I always enjoy your content.
I hope that you will do a video about the USS Indianapolis soon, Thank you
Nice video, thanks.
Sounds like the man with flares is one of the biggest heros...given the Carpathia wasn't even given the correct location of where they were.
Hey Sam I was finally able to pick up my Christmas gift from one of my friends, "On A Sea Of Glass" I am so excited to dig in and read the book. Now I'll ace your quizzes and know even more about the Titanic!!!! Also the Titanic coal I got in my photo frame from the Luxor exhibit fell out some how so my husband secretly went and ordered me a larger chuck of coal. It came in a glass display case with a letter of authenticity. So cool. That's about all I'll ever own of the titanic but it is enough for me.
Do you know where your husband got the coal?
It’s a great book!
8:35 Harold had another big clue that it was really the Titanic that was sending the call for help: MGY, the brand new Marconi station on Titanic, was using very new, much improved equipment, the newly designed 5kW synchronous rotary spark transmitter. Not even the Olympic, the flagship of the class, had such a modern marvel. And this transmitter sounded differently than pretty much every other station in wireless range. From what i can find, except maybe a couple of land based Marconi installations on land where those transmitters were developed, nobody else had access to those models at the time.
And each Marconi station on the Atlantic had rough charts of time vs. distance to various ships that were updated for every trip. So if you know the pre-calculated distance to a ship and its transmitter power, an experienced operator can take a guess if the loudness he hears matches what the chart says it should be.
If the transmitter was that new, how would Harold knew how it sounds like?
@@wolf310ii It had a much cleaner tone than anything else on the ocean. And due to its long range, he might have heard other transmissions of Titanic before the emergency call. (The Titanic spend many hours before that sending out the backlog of passenger messages)
I wish there was a movie specifically based on THIS side of the story.
You could even include an extended epilogue of Rostron being universally praised for his conduct - Congressional Medal of Honor, Knighthood, the medal presented by Molly Brown, etc.
I'm a fairly new subscriber and I greatly admire your hard work and dedication to telling the tales of these great ships. Though sea-going liners are my first love I also enjoy tales of our land liners, the great passenger trains that crossed our country before Amtrak. One true tale that is hardly covered in video form is the 1952 incident of the snowbound streamliner, The City of San Francisco, which was trapped at the Donner Pass cut through on the old Southern Pacific railroad. It was covered in the book Snowbound Streamliner. I truly believe you would be the perfect person to turn this tale into a excellent video record for all to share on UA-cam. Thanks again for your hard work.
Ditto
The optical illusion saved a lot of lives, also the guy that said no to the olympic definitely made a good call considering he must’ve been just as shaken up as all the other survivors
The optical illusion is also likely the reason the Titanic struck the iceberg in the first place.
@@Ronofthedead07 a gift and a curse
Fabulous story, thank you
Such a fan of your videos. You mention the one where you can listen fully to the radio transmission, can you post a link please? Keep them coming… 🙏
You do such a great job on these videos! I feel like I learned so much when I watch them. Do you have a new fan from New York.
Well done. I learned a lot.
Two héros on the Carpathia. The wireless operator who decided to check one more time before shutting down for the night. And, of course, the Captain Rostron who reacted immediately.
He wasn’t even checking, he was just wearing his headphones while only in the process of getting undressed for bed and on no official duty at all.
Keep up the great work please! 😁👏🏻
Let's be honest here. Being a radio operator on any nearby ships would be have been really intense that night.
What a night to remember for all the survivors and the Carphathia crew
A few corrections: a larger ship (like RMS Titanic and even the RMS Carpathia & SS California) also have a white masthead light (360 degree visibility).
The name for various things aboard a ship have different names depending on the country the ship is from. For instance a ship's Dynamo (British) is the exact same thing as a ship's Generator (US). Hence Navigation Lights and Running Lights are probably both correct! (Of course it could also be one was what they called them in 1912 and what they called them in 1978 when I went "Haze Gray and Underway" in the US Navy....
In 1912, Signals were not standardize, so instead of using Red Distress Rockets & Flares, RMS Titanic used White Rockets and Green Flares....
Finally, Boxhall may have used the last reported position listed in the ship's log.... Not to mention the possibility of the current moving the lifeboats! (Also, between the Navigator's sightings you do your estimates by Dead Reckoning .)
Even under todays regulations, ships like Titanic would not have a 360° white top light.
The regulations for the top lights on the Titanic in 1912 were pretty similar to todays regulation. It must have a with light with an arc of 20 points of the compass, 10 points to each side, 20-40ft above the hull in front of the fore mast. It may have a second light similar to the first, 15 ft higher on the aft mast.
One point is 11,25°
Really, really interesting, thanks so much. Stevie, York, uk
That scenic image of the titanic in complete darkness except for the lights, shows what it really looked like. The area around the titanic wasn't brightly illuminated like in the 1998 Movie. It was very dark. They barely could even see the giant white iceberg which is why they hit it. Even if you were lucky enough to get into a lifeboat...by the time the titanic really started down fast all of the lights went out and everyone was in near pitch darkness minus the dim illumination of the stars/moon. Frightening to say the least
It was a moonless night. No moonlight.
Excellent thorough essay on this subject. It would've been so traumatic for the survivors to board the Olympic. A surreal moment.
Which is exactly why the Carpathia declined the Olympic’s offer to carry the survivors for them.
You did really well at telling this story
Great job thanks
It’s pure amazing how much of the Titanic story is just people doing amazing things at amazing moments?
No it isn't.
Uh ya… it is… 🤷♂️
@@stormkelleh Titanic's crew firing flares at the wrong periods that Californian doesn't think it's distress flares, someone forgot to give the lookout crew some binoculars, some people trying to overload lifeboats and tip them over, and more.
@@Lazymotion and you don’t find that amazing?
@@stormkelleh How is it amazing?! The first example I gave made the Californian not come to Titanic's rescue, Not giving binoculars to the lookout crew made Titanic hit the iceberg and sink, overloading the boat made people drown! It isn't amazing! It isn't just about people doin right things, at the right time. So I still do not see your point, and you call the tragedies I mentioned above amazing?!
Aloha, wonderful research and presentation. The Titanic must have turned into PANIC CITY once the majority of it’s passengers finally realized that the Titanic was not unsinkable. It’s eerie strange that so many of the life boats were not even filled to capacity. Passengers were not aware of the severity of the ship’s damages. Such a tragedy. R.I.P. all who went down.
Poor communication skills all around on Titanic.
Awesome video!
"WHY DID YOU BREAK IN?! HAVENT YOU HEARD OF-" "TITANIC IS SINKING"
This video is very informative, and interesting too. When one begins to think about the tragedy, one at times forgets the great adavances in technology that have occurred since then, and this video reminds one it was 1912, and even radio with spoken words did not exist. One had to understand the Morse Code to know what the messages sent by the ships said. The fact the Carpathia raced at over its rated speed to the scene, probably saved many passengers who would have died of hypothermia.
When I heard “this is the Olympic” on the Marconi radio it sent chills, I have no idea why.
Happy New Year Captain Sam
Your comment around 10:59 about his reaction upon being woken up.
I get what you are saying as I am rubbish being woken up, but I don’t know, being a ships captain, it’s your job.
My dad is a merchant navy captain, well not anymore as he works ashore but he still holds the title, has done numerous trips in various officer positions before being a captain. It was his job, being woken to that sort of thing was and is part of the job.
Obviously these days it happens a lot less and as a merchant seaman the biggest worry is pirates 😬
I'm new to your channel..love you Sam!
Just imagine the California getting there 45 minutes before the Titanic went down and rescuing all but 50 or so passengers
Can the next part of the series be the sinking of the carpathia?
hey keep up the good work.. i'd love to know if you have done or have considered any clips about the ss Californian
Very good video, nice companion
to Oceanliner Designs' one.
Love you video's.. and I love titanic ❤️
Good work Sam 👏
:D I love ships and your videos!
I love your videos bc even though Titanic (the movie) was great it's really cool hearing the true story. I've always been curious about what food the passengers on the Titanic ate? Like how did it differ for each class and also did they have refrigeration on board? If you'd like to make a video answering these questions that would be awesome! 😏
Very good Storyteller 👍
I wonder what the bridge officers thought when the captain believed the radio operator after they had laughed at him and what they thought when they found out he was correct and they were rescuing the survivors.
I read that they were nervous they might be getting in trouble when they reached Captain Rostron’s room briefly after Harold Cottam had awakened Arthur Rostron and didn’t protest against Rostron’s order to turn the ship around and start heading for the Titanic’s sinking location.
It’s so crazy to think that the equivalent of what the captain did to the carpathias engines is the same thing as hitting NOS on a stock engine in a car. It can and should blow up by all accounts but it didn’t it’s just mind blowing.
Apparently, the engines had a safety margin. The captain and crew had the skill to push the boilers to the limit without overloading them.
@@GrapeCheckerBoard indeed, they must have known their ship inside out never mind what the safety margins say.
Guess you can always break the rules but only if you really know what you're doing.
Heroism without the knowledge to back it up is recklessness but thankfully the Captain knew his shit and got through it in one piece
Hey Sam, can you do a video on how the Carpathia sank? We would all like to know about that.
It was sunk by the Germans in WWI I believe... Took 3 hits from a sub before it finally sank and only 5 people died in the attack.
If it isn’t Devine intervention that made the Carpathia’s wireless operator turn that radio on, I don’t know what is!!
It was just Devine intervention that Harold Cottam had stayed up a little later than usual and wore his headphones while on no official duty, just in the process of getting undressed for bed before shutting down the radio for the night.
Hearing all those ships talking at once is like a massive Discord call at sea
Hello 👋
I don’t know if it’s already in the works but a history of the Carpathia would probably make for an interesting video :)
What a fascinating story Sam very much appreciated. Never heard about the Marconi trolls...
Nothing changes does it!
If I'm rich enough to own my own ship I will call her Carpathia. Such a badass name for a ship.
Good stuff
Carpathia deserves her own movie
I hope they officers who laughed at Carpathia's radio guy apologized afterwards.
in the movie A night to Rember the Capen says what the devil haven't you learn to knock
Hey Sam a video should be how the Carpathia sank that would be a great video idea like this so Sam can do this