There are obvious benefits to cameras, but also downers - like getting caught with a tiny wheelie by some rozzers in a high street... White Dalton - www.whitedalto...
Why is it that I would get 6 points and a fine if I refused to tell the police who was driving my car when it is caught speeding, but the police will not give points to the owner of a car who refuses to say who was driving it at the time the car did a hit and run? Is it perhaps because there is no financial incentive....?
Absolutely brilliant advice, love seeing Gav on the channel, really need to see a video where he explains drivers sending in ‘evidence’ of you speeding and the laws around that 👍
I spat my coffee out when Dalton mentioned very good police work. The helium incident is why you should always have a camera on your chest or helmet its sooo important. And cover the rear aswell.
I saw someone in a review just now pop a wheelie and stop it immediately, it wasn't his bike and he wasn't trying to do it nor expecting it and immediately backed out. Got me thinking, you only know you're doing a wheelie once you're already doing one! Hardly seems fair to get busted for it.
The police do make you wonder, hit and run and they aren’t interested. Someone puts a few hurty words on tinternet and within 48hrs you’ve had and back door kicked in and your starting a custodial sentence
Strange how they can trace a driver and assume the registered keeper is guilty for a speed camera though. How is that not a violation of human rights, we're forced to give a confession under duress when the only evidence they have is that the vehicle broke the speed limit, no evidence to say who was driving it. Guilty until proved innocent. We're living in a police state and deluded by propaganda that its still a free country.
Call that wheelie! Glad they didn't have cameras 20 years ago as we would be banged up for the antics we used to get up to on the Blade and Gixxer 750 🔥🔥🤣🤣
The police are more or less useless at tracing real crime, but a minor faux pass or be over the speed limit by 1/2 mile an hour on an empty road.....well if its on camera they'll throw the book at you.
Where there is money to be made: the best police is on the case. Where there is the public eye involved (big crimes): the best police is on the case. Where there is no money to be made and no public eye involved: Get the F out of that police station!!! 🤬
White Dalton are dealing my case at the moment. The team have been excellent with me, Gavin has helped me so much with other parts of my case. Seriously bikers I can’t recommend them enough.
Great vid as ever. Although I just can't comprehend that the police couldn't be arsed to trace a drugged driver who could've killed someone, despite them having video evidence of the crime & the reg number. WTAF?!?
@@sj6019 True enough as I guess having access to it isn't actually having it. However, they very easily could have if they'd bothered & the fact they didn't is still appalling police "work" in my opinion. It's negligent & I doubt that investigating officer is going to make detective any time soon lol.
The problem is, you need evidence to find & convict a person in criminal court. Getting a reg & settling a vehicle claim in the civil court is nowhere near as difficult
@@mikey_bb Yes true enough I guess sadly. Although I still just don't get how it being a bit difficult is sufficient reason for the police not to even try at all to find a drugged driver who was involved in a hit & run & could have killed someone. It might well be the facts of the matter & how the system works etc, but I still can't & won't accept that that's ok.
@@ragerider6283 but they need a name & location for the person involved. If the car has previous keeper details only & no current keeper, you have no way of tracing who was driving it 🤷🏽♂️ how else would you propose getting a name & location for them? You have to have evidence AND identification. Some crimes will never be solved as you lack both of those things - it's the way it is. Also, bear in mind, at the time the drugs element is irrelevant as it wasn't illegal.
Greetings from Germany, and wow... hard to belive this counts as dangerous driving. Something like this looks more like an accidental slip of the clutch, especially since he then did not seem to wring out his first gear afterwards. In my city, I often see bikers doing up to 100mph (160kph)+ downtown at night, using the complete first gear on their modern superbikes. Especially the young guys when they are posing.... Well, its not the UK, so there are no cameras around. And the police is often just like "dont do that again" if they catch them without a radar measurement. Also wheelys without accidents are a "dont do it again please" kind of thing. If something happens though, then its reckless driving + no insurance payout, court etc. But only then. Police/Law in the UK seems to be brutal against bikes.
The police in this country provide a lamentable service, irrespective of any individual officer. They are utter garbage and I could list you many examples that have affected me personally.
Sometimes I miss the UK having move to Japan 5 years ago but I see stories like this and suddenly don't miss it as much. There was a BMW M1000RR parked in the condo carpark facing the street uncovered half the time and never stolen for over a year and always thought how this is unthinkable in the UK. I would give it few hours at most before someone spotted it and some thugs show up to steal it. Sounds like riding/owning a motorcycle in the UK is a huge ballache.
The Lazy and Self Entitled Thugs with a badge have the time and will to chase a lone biker doing a wheely BUT trying to solve a hit and run that could have ended in murder was too much work and effort and not worth their time and resources. YES, EXCELLENT DECISION .👌🙄. And then they wonder why people hate them. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Police pulled me over coming from bmf bike meet in Hertfordshire,police try to make trouble to criminalize bikers they’re classed as anti government! Government oppression!
In my humble opinion. One issue also is that. The law, police etc. are getting too lenient. That's why bike, bicycle or car thieves are having a field day. For one they don't even try to catch them. When they do, the punishment is so lenient that the up and coming thieves are not afraid to steal anymore cause the punishment is crap. Not to mention, when they deal with suspects that have a color and of certain ethnicity, they tread careful cause they are afraid to get cancelled. Law needs to be upheld. Not to a point where it actually makes it feel like it's a martial law but to actually make people respect it and keep them from doing dumb stuff. The more they let people get away with it. The more people will keep on doing it.
So a tiny wheelie/easy conviction is a massive offence, yet a truly dangerous piece of driving that seriously hurt someone draws a blank......it's why the police get a bad rap. I don't condone going fast, or popping wheelies in town, but there's massive injustice, someone gets seriously hurt and F all happens and it's on camera !!
Not sure if England is the same, but up here in Scotland, a dangerous driving charge is a minimum 12 month disqualification and extended resit. It's shite.
Would be interesting to know the difference between a bike mounted camera such as the Innov K2 setup and a GoPro on your helmet in terms of your own footage being used against you
The wheelie was wrong in town. It does grate to be heavily fined by a copper who nearly takes a cyclist out and then nearly hits another car. Wonder why people have zero respect for them. They are the worst drivers on the road.
Cheers Gents, very informative. I’ve just bought myself a BMW GS and am enjoying the Connected Ride app that records all my journeys. Where do I stand if i get a tug for something such as excess speed and the old bill want to interrogate my phone app? All my rides are on there and I haven’t disabled the ‘remove top speed function’ as I like having all the data. Don’t get me wrong, I’m no Mick Doohan but I do get a lick on occasionally. There’d be lots of historical evidence at their disposal. Any idea of where anyone would stand in these set of circumstances?? I know that sort of data is recorded by Calimoto and various other apps too. I’m thinking I might just disable the function to save myself any possible grief! Thanks again fellas, keep up the good work. Stay safe. 👍🏻
Am I correct in thinking these guys were "Victor White and Fearn" ? Andrew represented me after an incident with a HGV, some 500 years ago when the RF900RS2 was new - I am sure I recognised him from a previous video....obviously no andrew in this video at all tho, just saying ;)
Mandatory loss of license for a micro-wheelie?!? Speed cameras everywhere with strict enforcement, restrictive graduated licensing scheme... I've got a lot of love and respect for my British cousins, but damn, I sure am glad my forefathers told king George to stuff it back in 1775!
Lmfaooooooo sorry bro but have you forgotten when a bunch of farmers and rookie military kicked Your Ass ? Because of you British we now have a very powerful 2A Amendment!
Al is in Wheelie-denial... I remember recent demos on that RC8C. Loookin' Goood!! I've never understood real speeding in cities or around Anyone Else. ps: Take us for a Van Ride to Spain or Italy or where-ever. PPS: How about a racing update? did you injure yo'self at ...Thruxton was it ???
July the 4th 2012 I had a new set of tyres fitted to my zzr1400r took it down my local dual carrigeway to check for feel and an off duty policeman staed in his statement That I "was riding in a unsafe manner with out my hands on the handlebars and speeding in a dangerous manner" he then walked 3 miles back to his police station and filed report for which I was summoned. He stated in his staement that I was committing the offence of dangerous riding. There was no physical evidence just his word and when I took legal advice ( a friend of mine is a top lawyer) I was told that the worst I could have was a prison term. I eventually got 3 points and £400.00 fine plus victim surcharge, but only after my friendly lawyer helped with my statement he also told me to not attend court as the confrontation with the policemen could have inflammed isssues the judge gave me the lowest penalty he could as he agreed that it was my word against his. Not umarked cars but unmarked policemen!!!
Four of us did a shortcut round some road works blocking a junction we ride often by carefully mounting the pavement to ride round it. Maybe a distance of a 20ft at most. A pedestrian happened to take photos of the four of us individually. Next thing we know, an hour later while we stopped for a cuppa, we received Facebook messages from other riders who knew us informing us that the local had reported us to the Police. Within the next month, we all received NIPs. Is a random photo by a pedestrian good enough to prosecute us for "With undue care and attention". The point being we were being very cautious and diligent and the photos only show a rider sitting on a bike on the footpath. We all chose to take the rider awareness course but I feel I want to go to court to defend my actions on the grounds of a member of the public taking a grainy phone camera image as evidence that could cost me dearly in fines, points and insurance premium increases.
Way back 1978. I was caught by the old bill on foot wheeling my old Yam RD400 past a college. I tried to explain to the very polite policeman that it was due to the charatistics of the model, ie., powerband and that I had only had the bike a couple of weeks etc. He didn't buy my excuse. £15 fine and 3 points on my licence. He did compliment me on my control though Hehe.
For most of us bikers cameras are literally self snitching. I'm 38, been on the road since my first and only accident at 16 on my 2 stroke scooter (green Peugeot Zenith) which happened due to mucking about with mates at a few mph. Since then I've got away with everything I've done because I'm careful, co-ordinated and observe surroundings and risk assess. Many bike accidents happen due to other road users, but most of us know how to take the piss and have our fun without hurting ourselves or anyone else. Gen1 1200 Bandit wheelies forever...............
I was reversed into and knocked off, 2yr old bike written off. The Van driver got out and said "didn't you see me slowing down, why did you hit me?". I said "Hit you? I was stationary and you reversed into me, I was blaring my horn, didn't you hear it?!?". Luckily his next words were "oh I'm so sorry, I had my music on really loud, don't know the area and didn't see you" and not "prove it". Cameras can be useful.
I think they changed the law so if you don’t say who was driving they automatically charge the owner of the vehicle, but I’m not 100 percent sure. It’s just disgusting that the police didn’t even try to find the driver, I think the only time they do is when someone dies.
People drive off if they've had a few and hit something, the old bill turns up and amazingly "the sister was driving" not the drunk on the couch. If you don't stop you should face the maximum.
@@PaulB-q3d definitely agree with that, i just don’t understand how people can live with themselves knowing that they might of killed somebody or seriously injured someone. It’s quite scary that some people have so little empathy for others and don’t have the guts to stop and own up to their actions.
"...we have some good police work in our country..." does it mean Brit's know who's come in before a aeroplane or ferry touch the isleland 👏👏👏 we call this example "ausreisekontrolle" plus airline data transfering , later (sure) border-controll it could also be that you never should know "who was behind the stearing wheel" - we translate this from "top secret" ( vertrauliche dienst angelegenheiten wovon plaudertaschen nix erfahren sollen)
Surely that little wheelie he done could of been fobbed off as an accident? It's was a small power wheelie. You can literally do that by accident, no different from wheel spin in a car🤔 Surely that's the approach a decent lawyer would have rather than turning up asking if he's going to jail? That in itself is highlighting how severe it is, I'd be fuming if a brief done that in court😂
In situations like the first video I think it should all fall on the registered owner of the car. Simple as 🤷 would stop people lending cars to dick heads etc and would stop parents lending to their kids etc.
He should have been wearing no helmet and not had any license plates and then the police wouldn't have bothered him! I drive for a living and, without exaggeration, see 2-4 hoodie wearing yobs riding through built up areas, in the middle of the day, in busy town centres, every single day. Riles me up no end. For reference, I live in South Yorkshire.
Unfortunately it is all too easy to put false plates on your car, register it to a random address or put it in trade and have no insurance. How do you trace those people? As soon as they do something wrong they change vehicles and become anonymous again Scum find a way to avoid detection all the time
Looked like the car and the motorbike both are tw@ts?! The bike in the turn left lane was going too fast to turn right, no? So, i guess it was overtaking/filtering (at night of all things)... A terrible collision, though.
Got done doing a wheelie on my MT09 (They should be exempt cant keep the wheel down XD ) and did one right past a cop same as the bloke in the video. thankfully i also had a clean licence and he did me for Careless Driving (CD30) which carries the same points and fine as speeding. fucked my car insurance tho funnily enough
Howabout the legality if the bike pulls the wheelie on the throttle? Like an early 1050 Speed Triple. There's no intention to pull a wheelie merely by opening the throttle in normal use of the bike.
Why is it that I would get 6 points and a fine if I refused to tell the police who was driving my car when it is caught speeding, but the police will not give points to the owner of a car who refuses to say who was driving it at the time the car did a hit and run? Is it perhaps because there is no financial incentive....?
Possibly because it isn't registered to anyone, or it was on cloned plates, or many other things meaning no one can be linked to the car
The chances are the car was dodgy, which means the offence of failing to furnish can't be associated with anyone...
Absolutely brilliant advice, love seeing Gav on the channel, really need to see a video where he explains drivers sending in ‘evidence’ of you speeding and the laws around that 👍
White Daltons won my case when a tipper truck knocked me off my bike.
Love these Guys :)
Does Dalton operate in Northern Ireland aswell?
I spat my coffee out when Dalton mentioned very good police work. The helium incident is why you should always have a camera on your chest or helmet its sooo important. And cover the rear aswell.
UK law is getting bizarre. Moto theft broad daylight? Meh. Deadly hit and run? Meh. Tiny wheelie to hop a pothole? PRISON!
I saw someone in a review just now pop a wheelie and stop it immediately, it wasn't his bike and he wasn't trying to do it nor expecting it and immediately backed out.
Got me thinking, you only know you're doing a wheelie once you're already doing one! Hardly seems fair to get busted for it.
The police do make you wonder, hit and run and they aren’t interested.
Someone puts a few hurty words on tinternet and within 48hrs you’ve had and back door kicked in and your starting a custodial sentence
1984 in full effect
Strange how they can trace a driver and assume the registered keeper is guilty for a speed camera though.
How is that not a violation of human rights, we're forced to give a confession under duress when the only evidence they have is that the vehicle broke the speed limit, no evidence to say who was driving it.
Guilty until proved innocent.
We're living in a police state and deluded by propaganda that its still a free country.
Can’t believe you leave the 848 so close to the road , should be chained to those pillars at the door🙈
I, too, thought exactly the same thing...so glad it didn't get nicked, but use a pillar wherever possible!!!
On the flip side maybe he has a better view from where it was
Call that wheelie! Glad they didn't have cameras 20 years ago as we would be banged up for the antics we used to get up to on the Blade and Gixxer 750 🔥🔥🤣🤣
I think we’d all be banged up for life 😂
20 years ago? I’m 50 years old and still pulling big ‘uns flat out 😂
I still remember speed cameras and CCTV from the 90's, much less of them but they were definitely about.
Some bikes with a bad gear shift would lift the front...
A ban for a tiny lift of the front wheel?!
Who was a victim for the riders actions?
The justice system in the UK is so backwards.
It's decrepit and it keeps getting worse. Time to leave the UK?
Wow, UK is a real nanny state. Amazed anyone still rides or drives!
The UK has been a nanny state for the last 20-30 years.
Australia is just as bad if not worse .Hidden cameras everywhere ; Highway cops who are just Nazi's and total crap roads
Or lives here... among a gutless population too weak to overthrow their oppressors.
The police are more or less useless at tracing real crime, but a minor faux pass or be over the speed limit by 1/2 mile an hour on an empty road.....well if its on camera they'll throw the book at you.
Where there is money to be made: the best police is on the case.
Where there is the public eye involved (big crimes): the best police is on the case.
Where there is no money to be made and no public eye involved: Get the F out of that police station!!! 🤬
White Dalton are dealing my case at the moment. The team have been excellent with me, Gavin has helped me so much with other parts of my case. Seriously bikers I can’t recommend them enough.
HP2 MAV the pillow looking good
Prison for wheelies but just hide all your weapons gentlemen and we won’t prosecute anyone
For fucks sake, why is everyone such wimps now, a stocking wheelie through town should make people’s nights!
Great vid as ever. Although I just can't comprehend that the police couldn't be arsed to trace a drugged driver who could've killed someone, despite them having video evidence of the crime & the reg number. WTAF?!?
I got the impression that they didn’t have the video evidence. The biker dug it up because the police didn’t bother.
@@sj6019 True enough as I guess having access to it isn't actually having it. However, they very easily could have if they'd bothered & the fact they didn't is still appalling police "work" in my opinion. It's negligent & I doubt that investigating officer is going to make detective any time soon lol.
The problem is, you need evidence to find & convict a person in criminal court. Getting a reg & settling a vehicle claim in the civil court is nowhere near as difficult
@@mikey_bb Yes true enough I guess sadly. Although I still just don't get how it being a bit difficult is sufficient reason for the police not to even try at all to find a drugged driver who was involved in a hit & run & could have killed someone. It might well be the facts of the matter & how the system works etc, but I still can't & won't accept that that's ok.
@@ragerider6283 but they need a name & location for the person involved. If the car has previous keeper details only & no current keeper, you have no way of tracing who was driving it 🤷🏽♂️ how else would you propose getting a name & location for them? You have to have evidence AND identification. Some crimes will never be solved as you lack both of those things - it's the way it is.
Also, bear in mind, at the time the drugs element is irrelevant as it wasn't illegal.
Greetings from Germany, and wow... hard to belive this counts as dangerous driving.
Something like this looks more like an accidental slip of the clutch, especially since he then did not seem to wring out his first gear afterwards.
In my city, I often see bikers doing up to 100mph (160kph)+ downtown at night, using the complete first gear on their modern superbikes. Especially the young guys when they are posing.... Well, its not the UK, so there are no cameras around. And the police is often just like "dont do that again" if they catch them without a radar measurement. Also wheelys without accidents are a "dont do it again please" kind of thing. If something happens though, then its reckless driving + no insurance payout, court etc. But only then.
Police/Law in the UK seems to be brutal against bikes.
The police in this country provide a lamentable service, irrespective of any individual officer. They are utter garbage and I could list you many examples that have affected me personally.
Sometimes I miss the UK having move to Japan 5 years ago but I see stories like this and suddenly don't miss it as much. There was a BMW M1000RR parked in the condo carpark facing the street uncovered half the time and never stolen for over a year and always thought how this is unthinkable in the UK. I would give it few hours at most before someone spotted it and some thugs show up to steal it. Sounds like riding/owning a motorcycle in the UK is a huge ballache.
The Lazy and Self Entitled Thugs with a badge have the time and will to chase a lone biker doing a wheely BUT trying to solve a hit and run that could have ended in murder was too much work and effort and not worth their time and resources.
YES, EXCELLENT DECISION .👌🙄.
And then they wonder why people hate them. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Police pulled me over coming from bmf bike meet in Hertfordshire,police try to make trouble to criminalize bikers they’re classed as anti government! Government oppression!
I've personally never fancied filming myself breaking the speed limits or my last few seconds on this planet.
Yeah 😂. But it could be educational for others to be honest.
I agree on the latter part of your sentence 🤣🤣
It’s cuz your an boomer
@TheInfantry98 I'm 39 and I can also spell 👍
In my humble opinion. One issue also is that. The law, police etc. are getting too lenient. That's why bike, bicycle or car thieves are having a field day.
For one they don't even try to catch them.
When they do, the punishment is so lenient that the up and coming thieves are not afraid to steal anymore cause the punishment is crap.
Not to mention, when they deal with suspects that have a color and of certain ethnicity, they tread careful cause they are afraid to get cancelled.
Law needs to be upheld. Not to a point where it actually makes it feel like it's a martial law but to actually make people respect it and keep them from doing dumb stuff.
The more they let people get away with it.
The more people will keep on doing it.
Try writing a provoking opinionated tweet. See how lenient the uk is 😂
I'd say it's not leniency on the police's part, it's understaffing, underfunding, and the consequent overwork.
The courts however...
There's two types of bikers...
Those who can wheelie...
&
Those that want to........
You get more for doing a wheelie than if you break a police woman's nose. British justice _ yeah right!
What a relief I'm shit at wheelies, now I've got an excuse to give up trying! White Dalton are top lads, helped me out big time a few years back.
So a tiny wheelie/easy conviction is a massive offence, yet a truly dangerous piece of driving that seriously hurt someone draws a blank......it's why the police get a bad rap. I don't condone going fast, or popping wheelies in town, but there's massive injustice, someone gets seriously hurt and F all happens and it's on camera !!
It seems the solution is to run no plates & don't stop 👀
Really enjoyed the white dalton vids.
No wheelies? Sad mt10 noises 😢😢
😂
Not sure if England is the same, but up here in Scotland, a dangerous driving charge is a minimum 12 month disqualification and extended resit. It's shite.
Never have a device filming you that operates with an SD card larger than one which you are willing to swallow.
👏🏻😂
love the shout out to Chipping Sodbury..... Where I was born 😂😂
And me!
Would be interesting to know the difference between a bike mounted camera such as the Innov K2 setup and a GoPro on your helmet in terms of your own footage being used against you
Meet Gav at Ducati Donington track day, really nice guy
The wheelie was wrong in town. It does grate to be heavily fined by a copper who nearly takes a cyclist out and then nearly hits another car. Wonder why people have zero respect for them. They are the worst drivers on the road.
if they would have made a spicy comment on social media the rozers would have found you. with a visit to the grey bar hotel.
Cheers Gents, very informative. I’ve just bought myself a BMW GS and am enjoying the Connected Ride app that records all my journeys. Where do I stand if i get a tug for something such as excess speed and the old bill want to interrogate my phone app? All my rides are on there and I haven’t disabled the ‘remove top speed function’ as I like having all the data. Don’t get me wrong, I’m no Mick Doohan but I do get a lick on occasionally. There’d be lots of historical evidence at their disposal. Any idea of where anyone would stand in these set of circumstances?? I know that sort of data is recorded by Calimoto and various other apps too. I’m thinking I might just disable the function to save myself any possible grief!
Thanks again fellas, keep up the good work. Stay safe. 👍🏻
Coincidentally I’ve just bought a GS and downloaded that app too. I have also been pondering this very question
After you have impressed yourself just delete the top speed. Zero reason to keep it. Even if there is the smallest chance it will be seen.
Am I correct in thinking these guys were "Victor White and Fearn" ? Andrew represented me after an incident with a HGV, some 500 years ago when the RF900RS2 was new - I am sure I recognised him from a previous video....obviously no andrew in this video at all tho, just saying ;)
wheelie = dangerous driving.. wow
Legal corner is fucking excellent.
cheers from Greece guys !!
A T7 lover here !!
Hola 🙋🏻♂️
My favourite bike of the last wee while 🤌🏻
Could have listened to another 20 minutes of that.
Agreed
For our American friends, our 1st floor is your 2nd floor
Plenty of times I've seen questionable driving by the police in the name of a pursuit.
Who calls that a wheelie ?
Mandatory loss of license for a micro-wheelie?!? Speed cameras everywhere with strict enforcement, restrictive graduated licensing scheme... I've got a lot of love and respect for my British cousins, but damn, I sure am glad my forefathers told king George to stuff it back in 1775!
Ay, Newcastle on the vid. Good chance I've met that Kawasaki rider 😂
Its the Morale you wont achieve anything but just siming Manager interviews play a Big Part
We need the 2nd.
Lmfaooooooo sorry bro but have you forgotten when a bunch of farmers and rookie military kicked Your Ass ? Because of you British we now have a very powerful 2A Amendment!
All jokes aside I do Agree with you that having 2A Rights do in fact make an massive difference
Al is in Wheelie-denial... I remember recent demos on that RC8C. Loookin' Goood!! I've never understood real speeding in cities or around Anyone Else.
ps: Take us for a Van Ride to Spain or Italy or where-ever.
PPS: How about a racing update? did you injure yo'self at ...Thruxton was it ???
What about helmet cameras? Under what circumstances can the plod take one off you and review everything on it for interesting charges?...
July the 4th 2012 I had a new set of tyres fitted to my zzr1400r took it down my local dual carrigeway to check for feel and an off duty policeman staed in his statement That I "was riding in a unsafe manner with out my hands on the handlebars and speeding in a dangerous manner" he then walked 3 miles back to his police station and filed report for which I was summoned. He stated in his staement that I was committing the offence of dangerous riding. There was no physical evidence just his word and when I took legal advice ( a friend of mine is a top lawyer) I was told that the worst I could have was a prison term. I eventually got 3 points and £400.00 fine plus victim surcharge, but only after my friendly lawyer helped with my statement he also told me to not attend court as the confrontation with the policemen could have inflammed isssues the judge gave me the lowest penalty he could as he agreed that it was my word against his. Not umarked cars but unmarked policemen!!!
Any endurance race soon?
Four of us did a shortcut round some road works blocking a junction we ride often by carefully mounting the pavement to ride round it. Maybe a distance of a 20ft at most. A pedestrian happened to take photos of the four of us individually. Next thing we know, an hour later while we stopped for a cuppa, we received Facebook messages from other riders who knew us informing us that the local had reported us to the Police. Within the next month, we all received NIPs.
Is a random photo by a pedestrian good enough to prosecute us for "With undue care and attention". The point being we were being very cautious and diligent and the photos only show a rider sitting on a bike on the footpath.
We all chose to take the rider awareness course but I feel I want to go to court to defend my actions on the grounds of a member of the public taking a grainy phone camera image as evidence that could cost me dearly in fines, points and insurance premium increases.
love these videos
Back in the day this didn’t happen. What’s changed 🤔
Way back 1978. I was caught by the old bill on foot wheeling my old Yam RD400 past a college. I tried to explain to the very polite policeman that it was due to the charatistics of the model, ie., powerband and that I had only had the bike a couple of weeks etc. He didn't buy my excuse. £15 fine and 3 points on my licence. He did compliment me on my control though Hehe.
It’s illegal now to possess nitrous oxide unless suitable for exceptions.
I never leave my bike out of my sight, even for 30 seconds I don't like it at all. And I always carry. I don't want to be another statistic.
For most of us bikers cameras are literally self snitching. I'm 38, been on the road since my first and only accident at 16 on my 2 stroke scooter (green Peugeot Zenith) which happened due to mucking about with mates at a few mph.
Since then I've got away with everything I've done because I'm careful, co-ordinated and observe surroundings and risk assess.
Many bike accidents happen due to other road users, but most of us know how to take the piss and have our fun without hurting ourselves or anyone else.
Gen1 1200 Bandit wheelies forever...............
I was reversed into and knocked off, 2yr old bike written off. The Van driver got out and said "didn't you see me slowing down, why did you hit me?". I said "Hit you? I was stationary and you reversed into me, I was blaring my horn, didn't you hear it?!?". Luckily his next words were "oh I'm so sorry, I had my music on really loud, don't know the area and didn't see you" and not "prove it". Cameras can be useful.
How on EARTH did that wind up in court!?
Loads people say me doing wheelies on my postie bike
Because the Wheelie was so naff, surely he could’ve argued that the clutch just slipped and it raised the front wheel mildly?
The owner of the get the ticket/fine if he doesn't say who was driving, that is how it used to be, so if you have a accident drive off is the message
I think they changed the law so if you don’t say who was driving they automatically charge the owner of the vehicle, but I’m not 100 percent sure.
It’s just disgusting that the police didn’t even try to find the driver, I think the only time they do is when someone dies.
People drive off if they've had a few and hit something, the old bill turns up and amazingly "the sister was driving" not the drunk on the couch. If you don't stop you should face the maximum.
@@PaulB-q3d definitely agree with that, i just don’t understand how people can live with themselves knowing that they might of killed somebody or seriously injured someone.
It’s quite scary that some people have so little empathy for others and don’t have the guts to stop and own up to their actions.
Section 59 help?
Driver knocks off and nearly kills a biker? “Untraceable”
Biker does a tiny wheelie? Potential jail sentence.
State of this country is a joke
"...we have some good police work in our country..." does it mean Brit's know who's come in before a aeroplane or ferry touch the isleland 👏👏👏 we call this example "ausreisekontrolle" plus airline data transfering , later (sure) border-controll
it could also be that you never should know "who was behind the stearing wheel" - we translate this from "top secret" ( vertrauliche dienst angelegenheiten wovon plaudertaschen nix erfahren sollen)
Dude I know had his bike nicked from a locked cage at work.... I'll never ride mine to work , ever.
Worth mentioning the police can seize you're helmet cam. And see what you've been up to
There is a very obvious reason why they didn't bother to trace the driver, and we all know it
I don't, can you enlighten me?
@@peterjackson2722People that aren't daft or Starmer sympathisers can understand why they never traced the driver. It's not rocket science.
@@peterjackson2722We all know why! Only those with their head in the sand don't understand.
U back from the riots?
@@peterjackson2722well they've investigated and prosecuted close to 50000 people for speech crimes since 2013.
Have you been living under a rock?
Surely that little wheelie he done could of been fobbed off as an accident? It's was a small power wheelie. You can literally do that by accident, no different from wheel spin in a car🤔 Surely that's the approach a decent lawyer would have rather than turning up asking if he's going to jail? That in itself is highlighting how severe it is, I'd be fuming if a brief done that in court😂
@@insertyoutubeusernamesdafuq is it dangerous driving
This is Bruce Wayne
Ban for lifting the front wheel.
Driving while on baloons and knocking a biker off? nothing.
In situations like the first video I think it should all fall on the registered owner of the car. Simple as 🤷 would stop people lending cars to dick heads etc and would stop parents lending to their kids etc.
He should have been wearing no helmet and not had any license plates and then the police wouldn't have bothered him! I drive for a living and, without exaggeration, see 2-4 hoodie wearing yobs riding through built up areas, in the middle of the day, in busy town centres, every single day. Riles me up no end. For reference, I live in South Yorkshire.
Cherry. 🎉
Unfortunately it is all too easy to put false plates on your car, register it to a random address or put it in trade and have no insurance. How do you trace those people?
As soon as they do something wrong they change vehicles and become anonymous again
Scum find a way to avoid detection all the time
Do wheelies in a car park after hours its not a road so police are not interested only if damage property or hit pedestrians!
That wheelie wasn't even purposeful... it was just a bad gear shift.
Looked like the car and the motorbike both are tw@ts?! The bike in the turn left lane was going too fast to turn right, no? So, i guess it was overtaking/filtering (at night of all things)... A terrible collision, though.
Can’t do wheelies anyway Nige 😂.
Wronguns 😅
That wasn't a wheelie jfc.
So please please please guys if you are going to wheelie in town please for goodness sake remove your number plate 👍
Got done doing a wheelie on my MT09 (They should be exempt cant keep the wheel down XD ) and did one right past a cop same as the bloke in the video. thankfully i also had a clean licence and he did me for Careless Driving (CD30) which carries the same points and fine as speeding. fucked my car insurance tho funnily enough
Rubbish police work.
A wheelie is punishable with a prison sentence but being and nonce but not realising it was illegal, walk free. Makes so much sense 😅
Howabout the legality if the bike pulls the wheelie on the throttle? Like an early 1050 Speed Triple. There's no intention to pull a wheelie merely by opening the throttle in normal use of the bike.
The Mav cushion 🤣 @hp2mav